Liked and Subscribed. The Calvinists today have probably never read any Wesley sermons or the writings of Jacob Hermann (aka: Arminius), but since he was not a "Calvinist", they assume he was a "bad and stuuuuupid guy". Calvinists have sooooo very many faults, but they think anyone not on their "boat" is either "ignorant" or a "works" based Christian. I read 4 biographies of John Wesley (and his brother Charles) in the 1980's. Good, godly men that cared about lost souls and the bad / worthless attitudes of his fellow clergymen from Oxford University and the Anglican churches.
I would argue that modern Wesleyan‘s have departed from John Wesley on some issues. For example, John Wesley had a view of the sacraments that did not differ that much from Martin Luther’s. But if you listen to a modern Wesleyan, they sound almost exactly like a Baptist.
Thanks for your video, I never attend Methodist Church but I am definitely near to be a Methodist at heart and love to read Wesley. I firmly reject assurance of salvation for instance. I have problem with infant baptism or sinless perfection though. I would be very interested to have an in depth review of denominations near arminians. Do you accept Open Theists for instance ?
Thanks for your comment. I list some of the present-day Arminian denominations in Part 1 of the series, and I will be covering them a bit more in Part 5, but it won't be in-depth. Dr. Roger Olson has a good list of Arminian Denominations in his article here: evangelicalarminians.org/arminian-denominations/ Your best course might be to find one you're interested in, and then check the @ReadyToHarvest channel for an in-depth video on them. If you aren't a fan of infant baptism or the doctrine of perfection, you'll likely be closer to the Free Will Baptist side (most Wesleyan churches affirm some version of entire sanctification). Ready to Harvest has a video on the FWBs here: ua-cam.com/video/EpukxuVV2TI/v-deo.htmlsi=voluboEsaZ_qEMSK On Open Theism, it is quite mixed, with some more open to it than others. It's probably best to ask the local church you are interested in what their position might be.
It’s not a common word nowadays, so it can end up being a distraction or confusing to people who aren’t used to older writings (especially when the author has a name like “Pope”). In this case, I don’t think it changes the meaning of the sentence, so the risk is greater than the reward.
Thanks for your comment. Arminians hold we are enabled to respond by the prevenient work of the Holy Spirit. Ie: just like men dead in sin can respond to the Spirit’s common grace. You might be interested in my past series, particularly part 3 on prevenient grace, here: ua-cam.com/video/wSdOGYZDPwU/v-deo.htmlsi=eg5XKJ2IUEQYhupr
By believing the word of truth, as in Ephesians 1:13. Because the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes… as Paul tells us in Romans.
I was an atheist, converted to Christian during my 20’s influenced by Arminian theology, turned more Calvinism in my 40’s. I see this Arminianism-Calvinism controversy should remain benign theological debate but unfortunately turned into a bitter infighting which is totally unnecessary and counterproductive. I think Arminianism is more accessible to seekers and is beneficial to evangelism. At the same time, John 8:32 tells us that we are not free, we do not have freedom to choose until the Truth set us free. We were not just spiritual asleep, we were actually spiritual dead (Ephesians 2:1)
Jesus said “ wherever your treasure is there your heart will be also”. Jesus also said no one can come to Me, except the Father draw him.” Both of these statements are true! Charlie Westley’s song “And can it be” perfectly describes the work of salvation in my opinion. “ Thine Eye diffused a quickening ray. I awoke the dungeon flamed with light” We must pick our own “Treasure” and our heart will follow that which we pick, this is an act of the human will. It doesn’t make a person acceptable in God’s Sight, only regeneration can do that. While it is certainly true that we were dead in our sins prior to regeneration it doesn’t mean that we can’t pick a treasure. If we desire God and seek Him, then, like a school master teaching us, we will see our need for redemption. From that point we will see our need for cleansing in His Blood. Come Lord Jesus!
Both George Whitfield and the Wesleys were mightily used by God. The three of them all received revelation and power from God and were able to be used by God to preach truth and the Gospel. Millions were saved through their ministries. And even though they disagree on issues they eventually agree to respect what others have received from God. So it’s not one or the other but both of them were right in what they see in the Scripture. God’s sovereignty and men’s free will work together.
It's the naturalistic comprehension of Justification but falls short of acknowledging the total fallen inability of the Spiritually Mortified natural state..
No. Arminians affirm total inability apart from grace. I recommend you check out my series, here: ua-cam.com/play/PLYFt7yxv9TBVuJNPBC3gDJK4yxUi_Fug4.html&si=VR5TJAJ2E9T_h4I7
Wesley, Calvin, Luther, Joseph Smith, Ellen G Whte, Mohammad. Protestant or Islam, they are all variations of the same thing. A reaction to and distortion of God’s one and only truth he revealed through one true church in 33AD. He didn’t wait until the 7th, 16th or 19th centuries to do it.
Claiming that Protestantism, which holds the Gospel and all essential truths of the early church, is the same as Islam is slanderous and rejects even the Roman Catholic Church’s statements on the matter in the Second Vatican Council.
@@SacramentalBaptist Completely different. Catholic councils gave you the Trinity and the Bible. Personal revelation and interpretation produced Islam and Protestantism. 67% or Protestants today believe in the foundational tenets of the prosperity gospel.
@@Knight-of-the-ImmaculataThat is unbelievably false. First, councils never “gave” us the Trinity or the Bible, but simply acknowledged the truth that existed prior to the council. In the case of the canon, there wasn’t even a council that gave a list of the canon of Trent in the 1500s. Even then, Protestants have historically accepted the early church councils on the Trinity and the nature of Christ. Secondly, it is highly destructive to act as though the scripture isn’t clear on the core doctrines. “Without the councils, no one would arrive at the Trinity” undercuts the clear teaching of the scripture and ignores what the Patristic church fathers teach, which is that scripture IS clear on this and a variety of other doctrines. Finally, Islam is another religion entirely which rejects Christ and the gospel. Even your own council (The Second Vatican) recognizes Protestants as true Christians.
@@SacramentalBaptist The Catholic Church canonised all 73 books at the Council of Rome (AD 382), reaffirmed at the Synod of Hippo (AD 393), two of the Councils of Carthage (AD 397 and 419), the Council of Florence (AD 1431-1449) and finally, as an article of faith, by the Council of Trent (AD 1545-1563).
@@SacramentalBaptist The 7 Deuterocanonical books weren’t actually removed from the Bible until 1825 by the lay Foreign and British Bible Society in part to save on printing costs.
Liked and Subscribed. The Calvinists today have probably never read any Wesley sermons or the writings of Jacob Hermann (aka: Arminius), but since he was not a "Calvinist", they assume he was a "bad and stuuuuupid guy". Calvinists have sooooo very many faults, but they think anyone not on their "boat" is either "ignorant" or a "works" based Christian.
I read 4 biographies of John Wesley (and his brother Charles) in the 1980's. Good, godly men that cared about lost souls and the bad / worthless attitudes of his fellow clergymen from Oxford University and the Anglican churches.
just want to say, love your thumbnails.
Thank you so much for your videos! God bless you.
I would argue that modern Wesleyan‘s have departed from John Wesley on some issues. For example, John Wesley had a view of the sacraments that did not differ that much from Martin Luther’s. But if you listen to a modern Wesleyan, they sound almost exactly like a Baptist.
Thanks for your video, I never attend Methodist Church but I am definitely near to be a Methodist at heart and love to read Wesley. I firmly reject assurance of salvation for instance. I have problem with infant baptism or sinless perfection though. I would be very interested to have an in depth review of denominations near arminians. Do you accept Open Theists for instance ?
Thanks for your comment. I list some of the present-day Arminian denominations in Part 1 of the series, and I will be covering them a bit more in Part 5, but it won't be in-depth.
Dr. Roger Olson has a good list of Arminian Denominations in his article here: evangelicalarminians.org/arminian-denominations/ Your best course might be to find one you're interested in, and then check the @ReadyToHarvest channel for an in-depth video on them.
If you aren't a fan of infant baptism or the doctrine of perfection, you'll likely be closer to the Free Will Baptist side (most Wesleyan churches affirm some version of entire sanctification). Ready to Harvest has a video on the FWBs here: ua-cam.com/video/EpukxuVV2TI/v-deo.htmlsi=voluboEsaZ_qEMSK
On Open Theism, it is quite mixed, with some more open to it than others. It's probably best to ask the local church you are interested in what their position might be.
@@thearminians Thanks for you reply !
1 Tim 3.15...The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth
Why do you omit the word "catholic" in your readings?
It’s not a common word nowadays, so it can end up being a distraction or confusing to people who aren’t used to older writings (especially when the author has a name like “Pope”). In this case, I don’t think it changes the meaning of the sentence, so the risk is greater than the reward.
@thearminians I appreciate the thought process. Thank you.
He never had altar calls he left
It to God to do the saving!
Is this your voice or AI? I wonder, if it is yours, why do you pronounce the word, Wesleyan, in a strange way?
No, that's my voice. I'm Canadian, so probably a Canadian accent you're catching.
@@thearminians Hello! Nothing wrong with your voice,,,, just a bit fast though. Maybe slow down a wee bit. Good video!
How does a dead man respond to the gospel? Those who were dead in sin God made alive together with Christ and seated him in the heavenly places.
Thanks for your comment. Arminians hold we are enabled to respond by the prevenient work of the Holy Spirit. Ie: just like men dead in sin can respond to the Spirit’s common grace. You might be interested in my past series, particularly part 3 on prevenient grace, here: ua-cam.com/video/wSdOGYZDPwU/v-deo.htmlsi=eg5XKJ2IUEQYhupr
By believing the word of truth, as in Ephesians 1:13. Because the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes… as Paul tells us in Romans.
Because man was made in Gods image ie having thought, conscience and free will.
I was an atheist, converted to Christian during my 20’s influenced by Arminian theology, turned more Calvinism in my 40’s. I see this Arminianism-Calvinism controversy should remain benign theological debate but unfortunately turned into a bitter infighting which is totally unnecessary and counterproductive. I think Arminianism is more accessible to seekers and is beneficial to evangelism. At the same time, John 8:32 tells us that we are not free, we do not have freedom to choose until the Truth set us free. We were not just spiritual asleep, we were actually spiritual dead (Ephesians 2:1)
Catholic here: This is TRUE.
As George Whitfield said to Wesley. Men have changed your mind but God has changed your heart. Ex Arminian Calvinist.
Actually, wrong, Wesley had the correct interpretation and revelation of scripture. Calvinism is anti Christian.
Jesus said “ wherever your treasure is there your heart will be also”. Jesus also said no one can come to Me, except the Father draw him.”
Both of these statements are true! Charlie Westley’s song
“And can it be” perfectly describes the work of salvation in my opinion.
“ Thine Eye diffused a quickening ray. I awoke the dungeon flamed with light”
We must pick our own “Treasure” and our heart will follow that which we pick, this is an act of the human will. It doesn’t make a person acceptable in God’s Sight, only regeneration can do that. While it is certainly true that we were dead in our sins prior to regeneration it doesn’t mean that we can’t pick a treasure. If we desire God and seek Him, then, like a school master teaching us, we will see our need for redemption. From that point we will see our need for cleansing in His Blood.
Come Lord Jesus!
Both George Whitfield and the Wesleys were mightily used by God. The three of them all received revelation and power from God and were able to be used by God to preach truth and the Gospel. Millions were saved through their ministries. And even though they disagree on issues they eventually agree to respect what others have received from God. So it’s not one or the other but both of them were right in what they see in the Scripture. God’s sovereignty and men’s free will work together.
It's the naturalistic comprehension of Justification but falls short of acknowledging the total fallen inability of the Spiritually Mortified natural state..
No. Arminians affirm total inability apart from grace. I recommend you check out my series, here: ua-cam.com/play/PLYFt7yxv9TBVuJNPBC3gDJK4yxUi_Fug4.html&si=VR5TJAJ2E9T_h4I7
Wesley, Calvin, Luther, Joseph Smith, Ellen G Whte, Mohammad. Protestant or Islam, they are all variations of the same thing. A reaction to and distortion of God’s one and only truth he revealed through one true church in 33AD. He didn’t wait until the 7th, 16th or 19th centuries to do it.
Claiming that Protestantism, which holds the Gospel and all essential truths of the early church, is the same as Islam is slanderous and rejects even the Roman Catholic Church’s statements on the matter in the Second Vatican Council.
@@SacramentalBaptist Completely different. Catholic councils gave you the Trinity and the Bible. Personal revelation and interpretation produced Islam and Protestantism. 67% or Protestants today believe in the foundational tenets of the prosperity gospel.
@@Knight-of-the-ImmaculataThat is unbelievably false. First, councils never “gave” us the Trinity or the Bible, but simply acknowledged the truth that existed prior to the council. In the case of the canon, there wasn’t even a council that gave a list of the canon of Trent in the 1500s. Even then, Protestants have historically accepted the early church councils on the Trinity and the nature of Christ.
Secondly, it is highly destructive to act as though the scripture isn’t clear on the core doctrines. “Without the councils, no one would arrive at the Trinity” undercuts the clear teaching of the scripture and ignores what the Patristic church fathers teach, which is that scripture IS clear on this and a variety of other doctrines.
Finally, Islam is another religion entirely which rejects Christ and the gospel. Even your own council (The Second Vatican) recognizes Protestants as true Christians.
@@SacramentalBaptist The Catholic Church canonised all 73 books at the Council of Rome (AD 382), reaffirmed at the Synod of Hippo (AD 393), two of the Councils of Carthage (AD 397 and 419), the Council of Florence (AD 1431-1449) and finally, as an article of faith, by the Council of Trent (AD 1545-1563).
@@SacramentalBaptist The 7 Deuterocanonical books weren’t actually removed from the Bible until 1825 by the lay Foreign and British Bible Society in part to save on printing costs.