RED KOMODO vs Canon R5C vs Sony FX3: Trying to match RED RAW
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- A side by side look of the RED Komodo vs the Canon R5C and the Sony FX3.
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CHAPTERS
0:00 Introduction
0:31 Test Parameters
2:13 5600K Front Lit Test
5:09 5600K Back Lit Test
7:20 3200K Studio Test
10:20 Final Verdict
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Great video bro! Loving the R5C thus far
Thank you for the helpful demo. Nice to see the differences between the cameras.
So the producers wanted you to compare luts instead of matching cameras efficiently with management? Weird. Basically the producers handicapped your choices based on manufacturer luts. The differences you see here are mostly how a person designed the lut, not the camera sensors or codecs are all. It's kind of a shame they did that. Try aces color management, much closer results.
Allow me a wild guess? You own a shitty FX3 😂
Another great video ma man!!! Have you tried the phantom luts for Sony?….. would love to see how this footage looks on the fx3 in comparison , withe phantom luts …. Especially the greens😊
Thanks for this video ! You deliver here a great comparison, so thanks for your work. It's amazing how the R5C and the Komodo are matching... I already have the R5C... but can't afford the Komodo for now ! Let's go to work !
did you use the same lens for all of them?
when you will be able to test z9 N-raw and prores raw .shoot in camera (internal).I like Your Videos and your comparison with the FX3 without Raw is difficult to make a good appreciation
Just a question, I usually shoot with the R5C and the R5 in 8K RAW and CLOG-3. Do you know if it has a difference if I select RAW in REC 709 or in CLOG-3 when I anyway turn afterwards the RAW footage to CLOG-2 in Davinci Resolve? I thought the best ISO in CLOG-3 is 800 and in REC 709 it is 400, or is RAW equal to RAW in both situations when I turn anyway both to CLOG-2 in davinci? If there is no difference I could always use 709 to shoot and Playback the RAW with nice colors but if ot is not the same RAW and there is more DR stored in the RAW with CLOG-3, then it would make sense do stay with this settings. Until today I never thought of shooting directly with 709 as CLOG-3 should have more DR, but as it is RAW maybe it has the same information in it.
If you shooting raw in the R5 it will be on clog 2 not clog 3 even when you put in the settings clog 3 about the color space it will not really matter since the raw you can change to anyone in post. I use canon raw development tool and it work great
The REAL problem with the sony is its AVC codec compression and it's just never a solid enough image even with all the settings set to max bitrate with SLog3. The Canon R5C always looks way better (even when pixel peeping) and is a much more solidly compressed image that's more consistent with the solid image of RED... at the cost of having bigger file sizes of course.
just curious, was the same lens used? what were the t stops? how was the white balance done? thanks.
I used a Canon 16-35/2.8 on the R5C and Komodo, and a Sony 16-35/2.8 on the FX3. All lenses were set to 2.8. White balance was done with a Passport Color Checker, and set using Kelvin temperature in each camera to 5600K for outside and 3200K for the studio. Thanks for the comment and have a great day!
AMAIZING DETAILED VIDEO
You compared the luts, not so much the cameras
so true. I think slog is meant for colorgrading and if comparing for this situation then why not to use their natural profiles like scinetone for example.
@@dathofilms I'm not a big fan of S-Cinetone either which while looks good crushes the dynamic range by a stop or two. In my experience, Phantom luts bring out the best from FX3/FX6/A7siii. Sony's Rec 709 LUT is pretty average and gives a very video look to the footage which is why this comparison is finny to me. Just coz manufacturer provided a LUT doesn't mean that's a "standard" and you must use it to judge a camera. What if manufacturer provided a fantasic camera with great log footage and an average LUT alongside it?
I use all these cameras and match the footage all the time. In fact, Sony and Red match more easily because both of the sensors naturally favor greens where as Canon favors Magenta. And highlight rolloff and dynamic range is better on A7siii/Fx3. Whoever tells you otherwise are just lying or dont know what they are doing. R5 has relatively harsh rolloff at sensor level regardless of the LUT used.
@@BalaKrishna-bq5iz 100% agree.
I love the FX3 but the Canon definitely matches better with the Red
I totally agree. The FX3 is an amazing camera, but I felt right out of the box the Canon was closer natively to the RED. Have a great day
It doesn't. Unless for some reason you just want to stick to manufacturer provided luts like this youtuber and not any other luts (like Phantom or Leeming) or grade yourself. Sony and RED favor greens while Canon favors magenta. In fact, RED leans a lot towards the green if you don't black shade often or with temperature changes. Also the dynamic range and highlight rolloff is closer with Komodo and FX3. R5C has harsher rolloff and less DR. If those are important and want to stick with Canon, C70 is the way to go.
In your studio shots I notice but the only sharp image is that of the FX3 I would much rather have to grade than have to contend with an unsharp image
Remember, I was by myself using manual focus on the RED Komodo. All three cameras are capable of razor sharp images. Any image softness you are seeing, is due from the limitations I had a sole operator and being in front of the camera at the same time, not the cameras themselves. Thanks for the comment and have a great day!
would be great to see what the R5C looks like with Clarity in camera brought all the way down. I think it would be a perfect match for the Komodo.. the 8k raw is just too "video-ish" currently..
There is no Clarity setting for video. You can always blur it if it's too crip for you.
@@vitaminb4869 there is. I have one
@@holdmedear There is no clarity in VIDEO mode. I have one too.
in the studio shot the FX3 can't render black as black? wow...
Of course it can.
This guy can’t match black with black. Learn gear before commenting
It looks like IR pollution, but I didn't think the FX3 has a problem with that. I actually had it on my Komodo a bit.
You should update this video. Should have used the phantom Luts with Sony.
Thanks for the tip!
What stands more than color is the sharpness, the SOny is too sharp and the Komodo looks almost out of focus.
Don't be too harsh on the focus on the Komodo, I was by myself and setting the focus manually on a light stand before I stepped into frame. I have used it on plenty of productions and never had a problem with the sharpness once someone is actually manning the camera. Thanks for the comment and have a great day!
color is matched but image quality isn't. cause red's 16 bit depth makes image feel more like 3 dimensional
Great job! I have Canon C70's and an R5c. Easy to match. The RED looks soft and the SONY is nice if you want that look. A good colorist can make them all work together. The bokeh on the RED was crazy different. That would be hard to match.
you have to compare raw with raw
why the komodo has bigger bokeh?
Maybe the magnifier. 🧐🤔
RED KOMODO most pleasing image. R5C looks tooooo way digital I do not like it. R5C is great camera, but really needs black mist filter or something similar in post.
Man the worst thing Sony ever did with their newer cameras was release their own slog3 to 709 conversion lut. It’s by far the worst conversion lut available. It’s even shockingly poor once you’ve tried some of the other nicer conversion luts created by cinematographers that saw a need for something better.
So there’s a whole wave of users/reviewers that use Sony’s specific lut, and then never really see just how flexible and fantastic Sony’s newer cameras can look.
I’ve seen them match fantastically and easily with red, blackmagic, and even ARRI; when using the correct conversion lut. But you’d never really know that if you just tried their free conversion lut and moved on.
The Canon and Sony had sharper images. You may want adjustment the sharpness or apply a filter.
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The baked in over sharpening on Sony looks disgusting (it’s always there even if you change settings to the lowest)
I mean, in terms of color, you can make a comparison, that's okay! But comparing a proper cinema camera like the beautiful R5C with the shitty FX3 can be seen as a violation of Sony's marketing campaign and their attempt to sell the FX3 as a cinema camera 😂
SONY ON TOP!
Honestly I don't even know why we compare Komodo with FX3 or R5C. Red is just too much for those DSLR babies. They can't match at all.
That’s one lazy production team. This really doesn’t prove anything if we’re being honest
R5C HONESTLY does not look good. SONY looks better, better dynamic range. NO jello IBIS. what camera does canon have that compares to the sony venice? nothing. Sony is on top. Any sony HDC broadcasting cameras are the MOST used in professinal sports. Formula 1, UFC, NHL, NFL. SONY INDUSTRY STANDARD
Ooh, Sony fanboy got triggered!
Ooh please, what a fanboy, The FX3 should not even be classed as a cinema camera, its a Sony A7s3 with no EVF
Why these sony fanboys always feel superior with anybody else? LOL 🤡
The Sony image in this test is by far the worst