This video was a bit long over due, and I apologize! Thanks to Hashi for practically writing the entire script for this video! Also, please go check out my TikTok where I plan to upload short easy to make videos in between each YT upload. www.tiktok.com/@surfbone2?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
SurfBone quick question. How does gojo moving in the prison realm fit within the rest of the jjk world? I see people say it makes him immeasurable but that doesn’t match up with the rest of the verse. How should this feat be taken in your opinion?
@@clydde-barker2032 I don't even know and this can prolly be countered by I argued that by saying that time exists in the realm due to the concept of a 100~1000 years time limit existing. So if the seal ran out after a certain amount of TIME it refutes gojos statement that time doesn't flow here.
@@Lore-gt5rh Yeah I’ve been seeing people say that it puts gojo at inaccessible which doesn’t line up to well with the rest of the series. Because if he was that fast then he easily could have gotten away from the box to begin with and wouldn’t be trapped. Nothing else in the series points towards him being that fast as well.
@@Lore-gt5rh Also I have started using the panel where Goku says time doesn’t move in the other world as a way of putting Goku at inaccessible as well. Is this how the feat should work?
On external consistency, I'd like to say a big problem is that people just refuse to aknowledge that author might just not know physics or even care about it, rather than USO being the rule
A giant example of this i can think of is Roshi blowing up the Moon in DB. People say its an "outlier" and disregard it entirely, when he literally does it on screen, having it being referenced later on in the show, and multiple guide books saying he did it.
I really don’t understand how people will say this character didn’t do that or isn’t that powerful when that said character did do that or is that powerful because he did this like did you pay attention. Btw dragon ball fans can’t read
Man, thank you for this. You're out here being the hope for newbie debaters like myself and helping us understand how powerscaling and all the relevant topics work. Your guides to powerscaling are not only informative, in depth, and extremely helpful, but I've been writing stories that I've been planning to make personal character profiles and set them on a tier.
I'm so glad you appreciate content like this, people like you are why I decided to and continue to make videos. Btw If you plan on making your own profiles, then I would highly recommend using Character Stats and Profiles. You can profiles on any character you want and the vs battle standards and info are far better than Vs Battle Wiki. Plus the staff are far more approachable and open-minded then they are, I would know because I became a part of their staff around a year ago.
Can you make a video regarding the difference between feats and statements? A lot of people have heard the phrase feats > statements and completely took it the wrong way. They’ve started thinking that as long as a character’s scaling comes from statements, it becomes invalid because another characters scaling comes from feats.
Good video. Some people just push outliers and inconsistencies/PIS. Basically those things are last resorts and if some guy can come up with more consistent interpretation, that guy is better.
Can you make a video about how to start powerscalling a certain series that you like? It would be very useful for people who already know all the basics but dont know how to start, how to pick up scans and feats, how to organize your X favorite character
Pick a point in time, form, debate topic or something and just look at the feats, statements see who does and doesn't scale to it stuff like that I mean you don't need to start at a particular point in the series to scale good
@@surfbone I think those misconceptions come from Minkowski Space which I'm trying to tackle. Though people like Plato, Isaac Newton, Immanuel Kant and others had proposed Time and Space being Self Individual Entities, Substances that exists and/or are capable of existing apart from Spatial and Temporal Occurrences. Though if a character is stated to erase all of time and space ill have to assume that's outerveral since that means they are abstract from space and time (which includes their ideas/Entities/concepts) maybe it depends on the verse the person is scaling. Plus this will down grade alot of marvel, dc etc characters who are stated to be beyond space and time itself,
I’ve been in the power scaling community for sometime but only recently started to look into it since becoming more of a writer. Question Surfbone, have you ever power scaled your own Oc?
@@vecnahenrycreel1300 people say that the star fest is continental and they say that because stark said that the gauntlet could light up a continent then that means that that is where Thor plateaus
@@patrickrobinson7541 "Light up" word can have multiple definitions. In my language version light up meant just power up/provide electricity to one continent. Using "Because science" interpretation it is just 5.4 * 10^10 Joules aka small building level power
Also Kid Naruto is definitely an Outlier when you realize that kid Naruto being faster than light would mean that Kid Naruto is somehow faster than the Raikage 🤣
@@LightningvsLightning No? *only Joey Drew from Bendy and the Dark Revival scales universal level+.* Considering Henry Stain states, "this world is his but even he must obey its rules" (this means Bendy has an authority in this world but can't warp it as he wishes).
@@LightningvsLightning Bendy can be scale to universal level+ at his strongest, Henry stains that he's restricted to the Cycle's rules for now (which contains space-time) meaning Bendy could eventually warp it just not at this point in time.
Yes, it was a piecing attack on anime while a slashing attack in manga. But remember, main souce takes priority therefore manga(1) feats first. Anime or filler feat is normally accepted if the said feat does not contradict the established feat. (1) Not always true. Sometimes some animes comes first before it becomes a manga. Or in some cases games first.
in the context of the video if you look at the calc for him just dodging the light beam it comes out to 73% SoL thus why people try to use it to cap narutos speed
PIS, like Retcons, is something that I don't think really exists either, and people that try to say that something is PIS are just refusing to explain it via consistency.
@@hashiondiscord8540 I always thought PIS was just bad writing that contradicts previous showings or event's like for example if Hulk died and all of a sudden never returned even though he's suppose to be immortal.
I was arguing on Comicvine with people about What If's Ultron "galaxy" level feats. They were constantly saying Ultron is super casually galaxy-uni in power level, but i started asking them question like why we don't see any results of destroyed galaxy. If Ultron blast was so OP in finale why F*****NG BUILDINGS weren't affected ?! Even thou explosion was reverted by time stone we still saw zero destruction of ground beneath. Seriously those people are pathethic, started to call me downplayer then. Ultron consistently was Large Planet level by blasting Xandar or other planets but galaxy it needs context. lool. Having random feats without explanations it has no sense
Who cares he is non canon. What if literally just means hypothetical universe for marvel. Its like the endings in a fighting game but only one is canon
He said "I can destroy galaxies with a thought. WHY WON'T YOU DIE!!" He shattered through several space-times, going to many separate universes. He isn't actively trying to destroy galaxies. Just the life within them. The Ultron from What If has the infinity stones. All 6. The same stones Thanos used to dust half of all life in the universe. They same stones Thanos said he would use to "shred the universe down to it's last atom. And build a new one." Since this show is connected to the MCU, the function and power of the MCU stones are applicable. Also, Strange Supreme complete reversed the blast and ate it. Which confused Ultron. Who then realized that about 99.99% of the teams power was just Strange Supreme. Who, in his own episode, absorbed an unknown amount of demons and monsters. Strange Supreme also created a pocket dimension.
Since when is Iron Man consistently as fast as Silver Surfer? And no, Superman is not consistently universal+, hes not even consistently universal, hes just not consistent. Superman doesn’t have any universal scaling lmao. There is not a single feat that proves it but keep lying. We all know it’s Parrot’s dumb scaling you’re yapping on about. No it explains far less lmao, there are more showings of him not being universal when going all out than there is of him being universal when he’s going all out which there are none of. Stop with this stupid example and just continue with the video please. No need to force SuperWanker into the vid.
"Superman doesn’t have any universal scaling lmao" He has higher In Superman #295 Superman fought Jaxon the Mighty and they both hit each other hard enough to rewrite entire timelines
@@Judas.G0J no he doesn’t unless you’re talking about Pre-Crisis Superman which I believe is the feat you’re referring to. That guy can be scaled to multiversal and Pre-Crisis Hal would scale to him too as you would know. Pre-Crisis Hal is superior yo Pre-Crisis Supes and tbh, so is Post-Crisis Hal. New 52 Hal was the only one who got spanked by New 52 Supes.
Superman all out/Post Mongol II traininh is definetely Multi-Solar system level(Half energy to destroy the galaxy,scales from Ares who scales to Mars feat,survived multiple feats from Void hound,faced an machine said to be the size of Nebula,fought Nebula man) He definitely has many universe level feats but they are iffy so i am not sure,if pressed i would write him as Solar system level(Restricted),Multi-Solar System level,POSSIBLY Universe level(Unrestricted)
It just sounds like you definitely did not understand ANYTHING that I not only said in this video but also my entire channel if you think I'm the one playing semantics. I don't want to mean to sound rude, but people that try to cite outliers as a thing in Fiction are truly ignorant and don't know what they're talking about. I even feel like the use of the term "outlier" is pretty disingenuous. Because even within data sets, let alone a fictional story, outliers are A PART of a data set. They don't get immediately discarded. In the end, inconsistencies only exist within inconsistent interpretations. And if you're arriving at those types of conclusions, then you're most likely interpreting it wrong. So technically I'm not even saying outliers aren't impossible, but especially in regards to power scaling a fictional series, it would be dumb to think you could just throw it out and act like it never happened.
You don’t believe in retcons and inconsistencies in stories? You realize it’s just a regular ass person (sometimes even people, sometimes people who never even met each other) writing the story? Like some dude who doesn’t remember what he had to eat for dinner last night.
This video was a bit long over due, and I apologize! Thanks to Hashi for practically writing the entire script for this video! Also, please go check out my TikTok where I plan to upload short easy to make videos in between each YT upload.
www.tiktok.com/@surfbone2?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
Nice Video 😏
SurfBone quick question. How does gojo moving in the prison realm fit within the rest of the jjk world? I see people say it makes him immeasurable but that doesn’t match up with the rest of the verse. How should this feat be taken in your opinion?
@@clydde-barker2032 I don't even know and this can prolly be countered by I argued that by saying that time exists in the realm due to the concept of a 100~1000 years time limit existing. So if the seal ran out after a certain amount of TIME it refutes gojos statement that time doesn't flow here.
@@Lore-gt5rh Yeah I’ve been seeing people say that it puts gojo at inaccessible which doesn’t line up to well with the rest of the series. Because if he was that fast then he easily could have gotten away from the box to begin with and wouldn’t be trapped. Nothing else in the series points towards him being that fast as well.
@@Lore-gt5rh Also I have started using the panel where Goku says time doesn’t move in the other world as a way of putting Goku at inaccessible as well. Is this how the feat should work?
On external consistency, I'd like to say a big problem is that people just refuse to aknowledge that author might just not know physics or even care about it, rather than USO being the rule
6:15 I thought it said it cuts at the speed of light like the motion of Madara turning his head?
A giant example of this i can think of is Roshi blowing up the Moon in DB. People say its an "outlier" and disregard it entirely, when he literally does it on screen, having it being referenced later on in the show, and multiple guide books saying he did it.
I really don’t understand how people will say this character didn’t do that or isn’t that powerful when that said character did do that or is that powerful because he did this like did you pay attention. Btw dragon ball fans can’t read
Man, thank you for this. You're out here being the hope for newbie debaters like myself and helping us understand how powerscaling and all the relevant topics work. Your guides to powerscaling are not only informative, in depth, and extremely helpful, but I've been writing stories that I've been planning to make personal character profiles and set them on a tier.
I'm so glad you appreciate content like this, people like you are why I decided to and continue to make videos. Btw If you plan on making your own profiles, then I would highly recommend using Character Stats and Profiles. You can profiles on any character you want and the vs battle standards and info are far better than Vs Battle Wiki. Plus the staff are far more approachable and open-minded then they are, I would know because I became a part of their staff around a year ago.
Who Would Win debates are all pointless endeavors where nobody agrees with each other and just wants their fav to win
Can you make a video regarding the difference between feats and statements? A lot of people have heard the phrase feats > statements and completely took it the wrong way. They’ve started thinking that as long as a character’s scaling comes from statements, it becomes invalid because another characters scaling comes from feats.
I'll give a consideration since I do understand the struggle
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@@surfbone Hi can you do a video about The DC Spectre powers?
In Next video, please explain about dimensional tiering
Good video. Some people just push outliers and inconsistencies/PIS. Basically those things are last resorts and if some guy can come up with more consistent interpretation, that guy is better.
Can you make a video about how to start powerscalling a certain series that you like? It would be very useful for people who already know all the basics but dont know how to start, how to pick up scans and feats, how to organize your X favorite character
Pick a point in time, form, debate topic or something and just look at the feats, statements see who does and doesn't scale to it stuff like that
I mean you don't need to start at a particular point in the series to scale good
Videos like these are very much needed great video surf
Well done
This is good guide for someone new in powerscaling community
The Scaler with the most Drip has returned
damn surfbone i love your scaling videos, always learn new things from your yt hupfully your yt grows big.
This clarify a lot of things
Very cool
Thanks I would like for someone like you do make a tutorial on crossover scaling because people will automatically take things out of context.
Hmmm, I'll think about it. I personally think what I said within the video is enough but who knows.
@@surfbone Right on man! You don’t have to make the video but your channel is getting better and better! Nothing but love.
Watching this vid while eating some chicken nuggies
He's back
This reminds me of a dude on 4chan ranting that dbs manga retconed goku to be galaxy level
Wanted to ask : if a character erases space and time is that outerversal or do u have to destroy the "concepts" of space and time.
The concepts of space, since time is a property of space it would be erased along with it regardless but not the same vice versa.
@@surfbone I think those misconceptions come from Minkowski Space which I'm trying to tackle. Though people like Plato, Isaac Newton, Immanuel Kant and others had proposed Time and Space being Self
Individual Entities, Substances that exists and/or are capable of existing apart from Spatial and
Temporal Occurrences.
Though if a character is stated to erase all of time and space ill have to assume that's outerveral since that means they are abstract from space and time (which includes their ideas/Entities/concepts) maybe it depends on the verse the person is scaling.
Plus this will down grade alot of marvel, dc etc characters who are stated to be beyond space and time itself,
@@infinitegamerforever3245 there are the mortal conpects of space and time which is not outer
@@idk-iw9kb ur sentence doesn't make sense.
@@idk-iw9kb plus mikowsoki spacetime is a misconception so ima say destroying Time and space is outerversal.
Bro that music slap
I’ve been in the power scaling community for sometime but only recently started to look into it since becoming more of a writer. Question Surfbone, have you ever power scaled your own Oc?
No and I never plan to, I honestly think of it as cringe for me to do so.
@@surfbone I understand
@@TrueDragonsTaleTellers I don’t wanna pull an Lord Perfection Lol
Nice. This was helpful.
Hiruzen being the strongest Hokage is definitely a retcon
Hmmmmm good old consistency
Good video 🔥🔥🔥🔥
surfbone are you gonna make a video about diminsional tiering?
Moral of the story MCU Thor isn’t continental
Thor doesn't have any continental feats at all truth speaking
@@vecnahenrycreel1300 people say that the star fest is continental and they say that because stark said that the gauntlet could light up a continent then that means that that is where Thor plateaus
@@patrickrobinson7541 "Light up" word can have multiple definitions.
In my language version light up meant just power up/provide electricity to one continent. Using "Because science" interpretation it is just 5.4 * 10^10 Joules aka small building level power
@@vecnahenrycreel1300 We both know Thor is far beyond continental or small building. He scales far above planetary at the bare minimum.
@@patrickrobinson7541 he isn’t lol
Also Kid Naruto is definitely an Outlier when you realize that kid Naruto being faster than light would mean that Kid Naruto is somehow faster than the Raikage 🤣
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Great.
Question what do you use to edit
Sony Vegas
@@surfbone Thanks bro
@surfbone was Sony vegas rebranded to Magix Vegas
@@godslayerreginald To my knowledge, no
@@surfbone Oh
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Have you played *Bendy and the Dark Revival* before???
I feel like this is gonna lead into "Is Bendy universal?"
@@LightningvsLightning No? *only Joey Drew from Bendy and the Dark Revival scales universal level+.*
Considering Henry Stain states, "this world is his but even he must obey its rules" (this means Bendy has an authority in this world but can't warp it as he wishes).
@@Animates9526 OK, phew, I was worried for a moment.
@@LightningvsLightning Bendy can be scale to universal level+ at his strongest, Henry stains that he's restricted to the Cycle's rules for now (which contains space-time) meaning Bendy could eventually warp it just not at this point in time.
@@911cbp I forgot about that! **Lmao**
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Great vid 👍🏻 but naruto did dodge the light fang
Yes, it was a piecing attack on anime while a slashing attack in manga.
But remember, main souce takes priority therefore manga(1) feats first. Anime or filler feat is normally accepted if the said feat does not contradict the established feat.
(1) Not always true. Sometimes some animes comes first before it becomes a manga. Or in some cases games first.
in the context of the video if you look at the calc for him just dodging the light beam it comes out to 73% SoL thus why people try to use it to cap narutos speed
So I guessed PIS is the opposite of consistency then.
PIS, like Retcons, is something that I don't think really exists either, and people that try to say that something is PIS are just refusing to explain it via consistency.
PIS is basically an explaination for a feat and a lazy one at that.
@@hashiondiscord8540 I always thought PIS was just bad writing that contradicts previous showings or event's like for example if Hulk died and all of a sudden never returned even though he's suppose to be immortal.
I was arguing on Comicvine with people about What If's Ultron "galaxy" level feats. They were constantly saying Ultron is super casually galaxy-uni in power level, but i started asking them question like why we don't see any results of destroyed galaxy. If Ultron blast was so OP in finale why F*****NG BUILDINGS weren't affected ?! Even thou explosion was reverted by time stone we still saw zero destruction of ground beneath. Seriously those people are pathethic, started to call me downplayer then.
Ultron consistently was Large Planet level by blasting Xandar or other planets but galaxy it needs context. lool.
Having random feats without explanations it has no sense
Who cares he is non canon.
What if literally just means hypothetical universe for marvel.
Its like the endings in a fighting game but only one is canon
@@newhybrid101 He is Canon is the MCU Multiverse, ya jerk
He said "I can destroy galaxies with a thought. WHY WON'T YOU DIE!!" He shattered through several space-times, going to many separate universes. He isn't actively trying to destroy galaxies. Just the life within them. The Ultron from What If has the infinity stones. All 6. The same stones Thanos used to dust half of all life in the universe. They same stones Thanos said he would use to "shred the universe down to it's last atom. And build a new one." Since this show is connected to the MCU, the function and power of the MCU stones are applicable. Also, Strange Supreme complete reversed the blast and ate it. Which confused Ultron. Who then realized that about 99.99% of the teams power was just Strange Supreme. Who, in his own episode, absorbed an unknown amount of demons and monsters. Strange Supreme also created a pocket dimension.
Helloo
I want to learn power scaling but i could care less for debating. Lets just say i want to make scan servers.
Since when is Iron Man consistently as fast as Silver Surfer? And no, Superman is not consistently universal+, hes not even consistently universal, hes just not consistent. Superman doesn’t have any universal scaling lmao. There is not a single feat that proves it but keep lying. We all know it’s Parrot’s dumb scaling you’re yapping on about. No it explains far less lmao, there are more showings of him not being universal when going all out than there is of him being universal when he’s going all out which there are none of. Stop with this stupid example and just continue with the video please. No need to force SuperWanker into the vid.
"Superman doesn’t have any universal scaling lmao"
He has higher
In Superman #295 Superman fought Jaxon the Mighty and they both hit each other hard enough to rewrite entire timelines
@@Judas.G0J no he doesn’t unless you’re talking about Pre-Crisis Superman which I believe is the feat you’re referring to. That guy can be scaled to multiversal and Pre-Crisis Hal would scale to him too as you would know. Pre-Crisis Hal is superior yo Pre-Crisis Supes and tbh, so is Post-Crisis Hal. New 52 Hal was the only one who got spanked by New 52 Supes.
@@FahimusAlimus Agreed for most of what you said.
But Post Crisis Superman did fight Pre Crisis Supes and they were even.
So...
@@Judas.G0J no he fought a weakened Golden Age Superman who’s already inferior to Bronze Age and Silver Age Superman even when not weakened.
Superman all out/Post Mongol II traininh is definetely Multi-Solar system level(Half energy to destroy the galaxy,scales from Ares who scales to Mars feat,survived multiple feats from Void hound,faced an machine said to be the size of Nebula,fought Nebula man)
He definitely has many universe level feats but they are iffy so i am not sure,if pressed i would write him as
Solar system level(Restricted),Multi-Solar System level,POSSIBLY Universe level(Unrestricted)
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Outliers are possible and you're playing semantics
It just sounds like you definitely did not understand ANYTHING that I not only said in this video but also my entire channel if you think I'm the one playing semantics. I don't want to mean to sound rude, but people that try to cite outliers as a thing in Fiction are truly ignorant and don't know what they're talking about. I even feel like the use of the term "outlier" is pretty disingenuous. Because even within data sets, let alone a fictional story, outliers are A PART of a data set. They don't get immediately discarded.
In the end, inconsistencies only exist within inconsistent interpretations. And if you're arriving at those types of conclusions, then you're most likely interpreting it wrong. So technically I'm not even saying outliers aren't impossible, but especially in regards to power scaling a fictional series, it would be dumb to think you could just throw it out and act like it never happened.
You don’t believe in retcons and inconsistencies in stories? You realize it’s just a regular ass person (sometimes even people, sometimes people who never even met each other) writing the story? Like some dude who doesn’t remember what he had to eat for dinner last night.
finallyyyyy and im in the first 3