EU wrecks Apple, Fedora drops X11, Linux at 4%: Linux & Open Source News
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02:01 Linux passes 4% market share
04:44 Fedora GNOME drops the X11 session
06:17 Apple makes a mess of the EU's new laws
10:03 Yuzu developers fold and shut down the project
11:36 Big French company fined for violating the GPL
13:05 Gaming: AMD & NVIDIA drivers
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Yuzu developers fold and shut down the project
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What happened to the "x86 emulator"? Did it get lost?
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Linux is in by far the best state it has ever been, ik "year of the linux desktop" is a meme but it is genuinely getting more and more attainable each year so who knows?
what if wayland will never get good😢
Linux was fine in 2016.
If Wayland gets good enough by end of 2025, 2026 will surely be the year of linux.
Linus torvalds says chrome os is the path to the year of the Linux desktop
@@vezquex It wasn't. For a lot of the people on the linux bandwagon, its about gaming and that was pre-proton during wine dark age of gaming. Its really been about the last 4 years.
Man, I wish the US actually went after companies like the EU does. We're getting a bit better but they'd never get a fine that large here.
The US used to be so much better about antitrust enforcement - you can bring it back!
At least someone in the world is doing it. That's a start at least.
US doesn't like regulations. That's their whole niche
@@99lumpus yeah their market is so free that they're trying to shut down tiktok... they just don't regulate apple because it's amenican
The US government = big companies
Crazy how no news on tv reports about the misdeeds of companies.
"This broadcast of brought to you by ."
It does here in Europe.
It is kinda odd. You'd think the companies a new station isn't sponsoring would be fair game
They also don’t really report on misdeeds of our government.
@@Ztaticify They will not risk upsetting a 'potential' new sponsor/advertiser. That's why.
ohh, i am from India but i didn't knew that linux desktop market share is 15% here!! its much more than i expected!! 😮
I thought only 2% people use Linux here lol
@@GOOD_FARMER compared to the overall population, desktop/laptop users are significantly less. arguably the growth rate didnt scale well over time cause of how rapidly the smartphone market grew. this means a significant part of the desktop userbase has a desktop because they want it, and they're proficient in using them, love tinkering and trying out new things, linux being one of them. and also the fact that we have so many students studying software engineering, they probably make up for majority of the 15%
That will decrease once desktop usage picks up in India
I also recommended my friend to use Linux mint 21.3 Cinnamon in school.i joined the Linux Community on 22nd January 2024 and I never looked back to use Windows ever again
probably because many schools have linux distros like mint, flavors of ubuntu and others, may be the windows license would cost them hefty. In my higher secondary all of my computer lab desktops had linux OS with some screen monitoring software for the teachers to check if they are play some linux games(mostly had educational ones) or browsing the web.
Most of the market share is from developers I believe.
I can’t believe that Linux is seen as a normal OS nowadays, back then it was seen as a hacker tech savvy OS, I love to see this Open Source ❤.
Linux is getting better and better by the day and I’m here for it
I'm part of that increase to 4%. Every new year for the past 10 years I've been testing Linux out, seeing how long it takes before I find a showstopper, or finding something I can't run in wine or VM. 10 years ago, I managed a few hours. Last year was about a week. This year, I'm on month 3. Converted my laptop now as well as my desktop.
Will give it a try again in the next time with Pop OS. Unfortunately my better half needs Office from time to time and i could Not convince her with libre Office/Office 365. But this time i will try onlyOffice, Wish me luck Guys.
@@stevenrichman7101 what was it about libreoffice that she didn't like? I've only had good experiences with it. Was using that even when I had windows running.
don't do popos, it sucks. just use mint if you want something usable.
there's also freeoffice.
@@stevenrichman7101oh, you and your SO share a device?
@@JordanPlayz158 depends, i own a PC with mouse and Keyboard, she a Laptop. So for more typing intensive stuff(Like office) she uses my machine for better ergonomics.
One possible issue with Linux gaming are developers specifically blocking Wine. For example, Roblox. Like I’m pretty sure Windows has much more cheats than Linux does.
Or are they mad that their anticheat can‘t go kernel level?
I think people have been publicly showing their cheats in ROL communities
That being said, it's mostly anti-cheat games (and almost exclusively games released prior to the Steam Deck's announcement) that don't work on Linux. And that number is shrinking as newer games do support Linux; even if they have anti-cheat, they configure it to support Linux.
Wine was blocked but in the past it was not,except, wine worked because the features that stopped it working from the anti tamper were circumnavigated making linux a platform to create easy cheats if it ever got popular. Sadly roblox wont create native binaries.
roblox unblocked wine and wine is semi official now (since the developers know about it)
Anti Cheat is a Sabotage...devs are Ms Mercs
"Nvidia Open" isn't really an open-source driver. It's just a thin layer between proprietary userspace and proprietary GSP firmware.
Nouveau is the only open-source driver for Nvidia; at least as open as what GSP allows for.
I am happy to be part of the 4% elite 😅
I see "Apple gets wrecked", I click.
Let me complete that for you:
I see "Apple gets wrecked", I click Like.
😁
@@Arsenic71Let me correct you.
I see "Apple gets wrecked", I click Subscribe.
😁
One of the main motivations for switching to Linux half a year ago, was knowing that I was going to run out of security patches in Windows 10, and that my PC was not officially supported in Windows 11 which meant that I would be left without certain updates and Microsoft would spy on me a lot more, and besides that, I was tired of having to format Windows every 6 months because I ended up getting a BSOD, so I gained stability of operation, which means being more relaxed when I'm working on something and not losing it.
And programs like cropping images (Screenshot), subtracting text from an image (Normcap Flatpak), automatic subtitles with local processing (Live Captions Flatpak), LibreOffice, and VScodium, among other programs, with all this I ended up staying permanently on Linux.
In short, security, privacy, similar software (but, FOSS), and stability is what I won.
Same story for me. I switched in January because the writing on the wall is very clear: MS doesn't care about Windows or their users, so why stick around?
Oh yeah, the stability of operation xD
It's so cool that Linux is the most stable operating system out there, I know precisely 0 Linux users who have ever seen the GRUB CLI. It was a fun time when my cousin installed Ubuntu on his mom's computer and moved to another city and it worked perfectly and I didn't have to spend a single evening fixing a broken install in grub. Imagine how happy she would be if I also wasn't living in the town because it was absolutely stable and didn't need my help fixing it at all
Same with constant crashes and DE freezes which do not exist, as is widely known
@@em_the_bee If you use kernel versions that do not have long-term support, i.e. the latest versions, you will usually encounter many problems.
@@em_the_bee I've had to deal with it so much that I pretty much have the commands to boot into a BTRFS snapshot and reinstall all broken packages memorized. Faulty mobo's are the worst... At least I can actually fix it on Linux often without so much as having to log out (when the kernel or glibc gets corrupted, then I typically need to), as opposed to windoze that I'd have to what, do a full reinstall every time or something
Wayland is a painful but necessary move. Had to rip the bandaid at some point.
What is painful about wayland?? It works fine.
@@bhargavjitbhuyan9394
For some (maybe few vocale people with few cases) it doesn't, which is okay since it's working for the majority.
Doesn't matter what happens with Wayland and GNOME, as I use Cinnamon Desktop. When *that* becomes compatible with Wayland, then I'll be switching to Wayland. By then the last few missing features should be implemented.
@@SenileOtakuWayland is there on Cinnamon (in experimental) but i am not sure is it for only linux mint cinnamon or other distros too
valves contributions are huge. thanks to them, i switched fully to linux.
thanks wine and crossover developer too (the first make windows game work on linux)
There should be an eu law, that something like HDMI, DIRECTX12, GPU-Driver Specs needs to be open and useable by everyone.
Yes, but, no. There should be a law that allows you to make open source drivers, and that companies can't do anything about it, but, not that forces companies to make them.
I believe in the EU, they can do it, it is refreshing to see a government that actually is making decisions and fines that result in benefits to the users
I've seen that the FSFE (Free Software Foundation Europe) has started pushing for full device neutrality (a follow-up for router neutrality) which would help with that at least in parts
I think there is a good chance that we're getting there, due to the EU. It took a while to get that plug issue fixed. This HDMI plug will probably follow suit. I like EU fines. In the US, such fines get out for a missing warning that coffee is hot or a poodle can't be dried in a micro wave. Makes more sense to put corporate lawyers under some financial pressure than to comfort paranoid idiotic consumers. And they call us paranoid (us tree-hugging Linux activists)
ok i know this stuff is exciting but we can’t just use laws as weapons now
Citra being taken down was a massive blow to video game preservation. 3DS games will likely never, ever be rereleased on a new console due to the unusual hardware, and some specific consoles and games are already starting to get really expensive and hard to find.
Hopefully Citra will be put back up soon by someone else, since it wasn’t involved in any of the reasons Yuzu was taken down (the devs had helped people pirate games / leak games).
There's forks (most promising probably PabloMK7's - 720 stars and the guy's been in the 3DS modding scene for years), and the full repos are on the Internet Archive. Seed them if you can!
EU can't stop taking Ws this year
It's not just about undervolting, it's also about just reducing the power limit (e.g. 100W => 80W). For example my Omen 16 laptop's radeon 6600M tends to overheat (thermal event shutdown) on the BIOS power limit (could be a BIOS bug?), and if I can't reduce if from e.g. 100W => 80W I wouldn't be able to use the dGPU on Linux.
16:30 not really? The only open part are the kernel modules, everything in userspace is still completely proprietary
Ah yeah, that’s true. Nouveau and NVK will be a bit more open on that front
RE: Undervolting - @Nick, undervolting is not always about a few extra minutes on battery. Some use cases include dealing with thermals as well. If a GPU is running too hot (maybe due to age) this can help slightly in perhaps running at 60C instead of 80C thus prolonging its life a bit longer.
I think undervolting will still be allowed just not before recommended limits.
The thing that has me very exited about Linux is that HDR is getting some kind of support
The EU keeps delivering reasons for me to start being patriotic, this is some chad behaviour
True. The concept of being patriotic of the place you were born was always dumb, it's way better to be patriotic of places that treat you well, like the EU right now.
It's just communism, the state putting its finger in everything. People choose with their wallets, but I guess they're too stupid to reject Apple if they're not approving their policies.
Yeah, it really feels good to be European. Amazing how this bureaucratic monster keeps doing the right thing and outpaces all these agile autocrats and mafiosi. It's just too expensive to bribe a "vast bureaucratic apparatus". It's so much easier to meet with Trump or Biden to get stuff done. :-)
The EU keeps delivering reasons for me to hate my government
@@the_mariocrafter As in you're not in an EU country and want your country to do more or you don't like the actions by the EU?
Linux market share in India is raising. I brought Linux awareness to millions of people and happy to be a part of this 🎉
Linux is the best! Didn’t know about your efforts, kudos!
As someone who had been using Windows 11 for around a year and a half, and Windows 10 for much longer. Lemme say that it feels very good to be a part of that 1% increase.
The main deal-breaker was Windows deactivating itself upon enough hardware changes, so I decided that when I upgraded my hard drive I'd just slap on Linux instead of cloning my Windows install. Combined with me spending over half a decade of experimenting with Linux (oho!) and I managed to finally find a distro for my specific wants in stability and out-of-box experience (Fedora KDE). It's also around this time I managed to finally bang it into my head that inherent tradeoffs in functionality would apply, whose blow softened when I explored KDE's various power user features (activities are *really* cool).
It feels fantastic not having to deal with Microsoft (except for games with Microsoft account integration for Xbox services like Minecraft and Halo, oops). I've been able to daily drive Fedora KDE since the start of February, and while I have ran into problems over this time, it's honestly just as stable as Windows, if not more so.
In my experience Linux Mint which i use for a few years now is easier too use then Windows! Windows i just too restricting, on top of that it is getting increasingly worse (spying, bloat, bloat that re-installs itself, annoying updates that also delete your files...).
I wonder on what basis the lower court sided with Orange. I thought the GPL makes their terms very clear, but the fact that it needs a higher court to resolve it means the case is not so clear cut, especially for other countries.
Yeah, it’s weird. I think it’s the « copyright infringement part » that was a problem: is a general license applied to your code also covering your copyright or not?
*Judge looks at GPL* "huh that thing is long! And lunch is in 20 minutes..."
they decided it was breach of contract instead of copyright infringement.
Apple openly perform anti-competitor action and proudly announce that they want to take advantage of developers and customers.
I like good Linux & Open Source News
It's actually surprising that in India Linux has accrued so much popularity, considering that their government takes any opportunity to crush user privacy with a sledgehammer (I'm talking about the banning of Signal and whatnot).
Well, if platforms are used for bomb threats and other terrorist activites, it will be difficult for govt to catch those people..and leaving criminals untracked will only make things worse in our country.. People think govt is extreme, but I am waiting for more extreme measures to be taken.
Corporates have nothing to do with our data, so they don't have the right to do so..
Politics aside, I love linux, not just for privacy, but for a lot of choices depending on our pc. Can run on old hardware, hopping to multiple distros, great performance, minimum bloat, better VM emulation with QEMU/KVM, and best for coding, and networking, cybersecurity related stuff..In india, most people having a CS/IT degree do spend time in linux since our courses require linux anyway.
@@Dev_2705terrorists also overwhelmingly use chairs, beds, food and water. not just one or two of them, but pretty much all of them do it. so why hasn't the government banned them? are they stupid?
@poudink5791 and money as well! Ban money!
Comment is still in work in progress (I will complete it later) :I used proton mail it was even linked to my bank and other online accounts I was so frustrated that they banned it, also according to the other reply I see let me clarify for them that just because government claims some security concern (aka excuse to fool and or confuse people) that is just a way to curb the fundamental right that is it, they had banned encrypti(since I wouldn't and probably others' won't take the risk of using a less known provider as the government would ban it) these action will only extend attack window on people not make them secure
2. not that using an email provider gives you most control and I have heared from simplex chat messenger website that e2e doesn't mean perfectly secure maybe hosting your own email server would be less bad (I say this because I have heard it's not a comfortable process) and I had turned my avita laptop into a server for a short duration. I had installed debian linux and casa os on top and ollama and other things testing it out but my laptop battery had some problems and we were not comfortable for a laptop to run 24/7,
Maybe, that is exactly the reason?
Why undervolting cause damage?
From I understood, only high voltage and overheat would cause damage, undervolting does the opposite way.
Semi-silicon is not resistor, if voltage is enough, the lower the voltage is better.
Undervolting can change the operation of the logic and that can have catastrophic effect. The damage is just not caused in same way as overvolting would cause damage. But it doesn't mean damage can not occur. ANY change to analog parameters can cause damage, but at the end "it depends". You can think it like board having faulty parts. Transistors for example work based on voltage difference, if there is no enough voltage difference, then it stops working. That transistor might have been guardrailing something and now it just doesn't switch correctly. That can cause damage to other parts, like coil being saturated but switch doesn't open letting it to safely flow into ground causing it to overload and ending up in flames. There are so many things that can go wrong when parts don't function like they should. This ironically means undervolting can cause overheating.
Not to mention how it can affect to logic processing. If transistors get stuck always producing 1 or 0 then none of the math work correctly, this is seen as "crashing". Or it could cause timing issues. Or it could cause degeneration of a signal to a point it no longer registers correctly. Do remember that digital signal is cut from analog signal difference. If there is no enough difference, then it's practically impossible to say if it's on or off. And if you make it extra sensitive, then any sort of backfeed or EM-interference can start causing it to trigger on its own. Essentially card starts doing things randomly. There are just so many things that can go wrong when operating at voltage level that was never in engineers mind. These things are insanely complex. There are side effects that are not obvious at all.
There is certain amount of tolerance, but going below or above those can start causing unexpected behavior. The true tolerance is kind of hard to calculate. So what vendor gives, is likely not the true tolerance, but just one tested tolerance.
In overvolting it's generally the extra heat that eventually causes damage. But in undervolting it's incorrect operation of the board that can cause damage in weird ways. Often it just crashes or stops working without damaging anything.
If i remember correctly Debian 12 use Wayland on KDE as default. And if Debian Stable ship something, that thing is rock solid.
Eh, I remember having trouble with KDE on Debian 12 and the Debian live image ISO also having issues when I tried it with Cinnamon instead of KDE. I think I lasted about a week before I gave up and went back to Fedora with vanilla Gnome.
Wayland support for KDE Plasma is ready to be used as the default
Yeah I’ve been running Debian 12 KDE. Wayland has been fine for me.
I'm helping to grow this percentage.
Last month I put Linux on one more old/weak PC.
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Definitely! If you have a Linux news segment, I'd really appreciate it! Great work, guys!💪
The fast march towards Wayland makes me nervous. I tried to switch to Wayland when I got Plasma 6, but it didn’t go well.
It’s so dumb, but I just can’t rice my desktop the same way in Wayland as I can in X11; specifically the placement of my panels and widgets. I have spent so much time coming up with what is the perfect workflow for my daily tasks and I would have to rethink everything and develop a new workflow just to move to Wayland with fewer features.
The apps will probably be fine. X11-only apps I use undoubtedly have another app that does the same thing in Wayland.
For me, Teams screen sharing doesn't work. And since I use Microsoft applications like Source Insight which requires Wine, that doesn't work on Wayland either.
@@turanamo I use Zoom for screen sharing regularly, but never got to that point in my testing before I gave up on Wayland this time around.
I regularly use Kazam, and it doesn’t work in Wayland, but I’m sure there is something that does the same job and works in Wayland…particularly being able to quickly free-draw a rectangle on screen of what I want to record, not an entire window or monitor.
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About Wayland, it has one flaw that is a show stopper for me. I spend a lot of time in a Windows VM with 3 monitors (vm-viewer). X11 handles dragging a window in the windows desktop between physical screens flawlessly. Wayland doesn't - the drag stops as the mouse cursor reaches the boundary between physical screens. It makes dragging a window onto a different screen awkward. This bug is present in the latest Neon release, in debian Bookworm, debian testing, and kubuntu 23.10.
Well I hope you or someone else reported that bug to them and it gets fixed!
Good update thx
Apple fine, needs an extra 2 zeros before Apple will think about complying. Need also at least a lot more usable choices so that none of these large companies feel comfortable bullying consumers.
True
Make it a daily fine until they comply with the EU law. 1.8 Billion a day stacks up quite quickly😁
I hope the powerlimit is set to a reasonable min-value. I NEED to underpower my GPU so it doesn't crash in certain games, since the amdgpu driver is buggy. The gpu just crashes if it draws max-power in certain games (Sapphire 7900xtx Nitro+ and Final Fantasy 14). Restricting the GPU to 250W fixed that issue.
SteamDeck counts as Linux desktop. ChromeOS and Android is different even if Android has a desktop alt mode.
The Linux community really needs to make a good tablet/cellphone OS not just a open Android clone. I am tired of the current incumbents abusing their positions.
Nice video as always 👍. Thank you for your informative and entertaining videos.
finally got weekly linux news :)
Gracias por las noticias 👍
11:14 Maybe that's because the Japanese don't joke around when someone does something they don't like. Just recently I heard that a Japanese teacher lost his teaching license and pension because he was caught getting more coffee than he paid for from a vending machine.
Yeah true. Japanese do tend to be conservative and closed minded...
"but you do want to run fully open source systems for your Nvidia gpus, well you can now use those modules"
Well not really, those are just kernel side modules, open sourced most likely to make calling GPL-only APIs easier. You can't use them unless you also use Nvidia's userland blobs.
So in simpler words, they open sourced half of the driver.
Thank you.
Hmmm i wonder if the videobridge can help with rustdesk and meshcentral
11:05. Yep, Suyu is already a popular project and is a fork of Yuzu!
Important side-effect of Wayland is you really want to be on Intel/AMD graphics which is relatively rare on high-end laptops.
In October, I’m willing to bet Nouveau + NVK will be built into Fedora, meaning Nvidia won’t be a problem for Wayland anymore !
@@TheLinuxEXP nvk will be in fedora since fedora 40
Windows 11 is trash and windows 10 support ends next year
That's part of why I finally went to Linux on my main desktop instead of just my laptop. That and wine/proton getting all the apps/games I need working now
Linux is amazing but I am stuck to windows due to some niche games and programs that don’t work with proton or wine. That and I use Vortex and the installations instructions for that on Linux are a nightmare.
Exactly why I'm backing Linux more and more. And Windows 11 can't (officially) run on relatively new computers as late as 2017. WTAF!?
Windows isn't trash, it's just supposed to be an easy to use operating system for doing daily tasks. Linux was built by developers for developers. You could argue that Linux is good for gaming aswell. But gamers aren't the average pc users, and gaming on Linux is just windows gaming with a compatibility layer
@@nobbyfirefly57Have you tried using Linux and running Windows in a VM?
what are offiicial nvidia open source drivers? Is this that thing, that was some time ago released as some open source nvidia kernel modules which were supporting only some newer nvidia cards?
Yea, the thin layer between proprietary userspace driver and GSP. It mostly serves as a reference point for Nouveau devs how to use the GSP.
There isn't really a point to using Nvidia Open, but some distros provide it if you'd like to use it anyways
@@Kris-od3sj well if I understood correctly video, now there is a reason to use them because these drivers provide performance comparable to propertiary ones. I always though that this is just some small thing that can't work as full driver to play games etc. And that people who write this nvk and noveau can not just look "how nvidia did it" for some dvanced features.
@@Daniel_VolumeDown Oh it has always had identical performance. It's almost the same exact thing as the proprietary driver, it just had a couple missing functionality and bugs specific to it.
The only thing that has changed now is that Nvidia "officially supports" it, which encouraged Phoronix to benchmark it.
Sure, you can use it for the sake of not running opaque, proprietary code at the kernel level - but that's the only benefit of it; you're still running proprietary code in the userspace.
@@Kris-od3sj I thought that this kernel layer expanded or somethong and nvidia now creates full open source drivers including userspace because in video Nick said "full open source system" and I was wondering why isn't there more hype about this. That explains it, thanks
@@Daniel_VolumeDown Nope, nothing interesting coming from Nvidia as of recently.
Meanwhile Nouveau's recent improvements are impressive! Mesa 24.0, with GSP enabled and NVK added in, is pretty usable in certain titles, and Mesa 24.1 is going to bring even better improvements! 😄
Merci beaucoup!
best thing about protonvpn is its cli tool, no gui bloat, directly from terminal in super fast connection
How does *under*volting damage the GPU?
I am an Indian, and I can assure you that the reason Linux is so big in India isn't because of Steam Deck. It's because of a couple of factors that I have personally noted:
1) India is a huge population of youngsters aspiring to be engineers. And once you get into an engineering college here, you get exposed to Linux kinda fast (a lot of the PCs in our labs use Ubuntu and RHEL). Also a lot of people introduce their friends to Linux. That;s how I got introduced to it.
2) Students in India are poor. I am privileged to have a powerful laptop (although I still run Linux lol) but a lot of people have old, really underpowered machines as their only PC, a lot of which aren't even supported by Windows, and so Linux becomes all the more popular.
As for why MacOS is not popular enough, refer to point 2 above. Macbooks are insanely expensive here: even more than in the USA, and the large number of STEM students just do not have that kind of money.
3:55 AppImage is fine but I always end up having issues with snap and flatpak sandboxing
I would like to see how NVK performs compared to the proprietary blob, not just gaming, but also the desktop smoothness.
When will be the videos in 4k?
You know what? Linux is getting better and better every day and I'm proud to be part of this.
Users, when you face some bug, force closes and issues in general, please report.
We may not be good a codde, but we're making Linux better and better every day!
I may be blind, but where's the x86 emulator in the Gaming chapter?
Also, the AMDGPU driver locking the lower voltage limit, while somewhat logical, is totally against the nature of FOSS, where the user can do anything they want. It's like disabling sudo for everybody because some users brick their PCs. A simple warning would suffice.
It was sooop difficult to get windows11 running... My network card was not detected so you need to to this bypass account thing in the windows terminal during installation and then I needed to install so many drivers for my laptop to work. I was soo happy installing fedora the next time, it just works! And for me the gaming was also a big step moving completely to Linux!
And I recently switched to tuxedo os. Everything is working well. I'm waiting for the update to kde 6.
Is it just me, or the forced switch from X11 to Wayland in Plasma 6 caused the first boot slower? I thought it was my laptop lagging. But no, when I tried X11, all desktop icons, taskbar, startup apps appeared moments after I entered my password in SDDM as opposed to Wayland. Which takes about 5 seconds to load icons, 6 second to load the taskbar, 10 seconds to start the auto-starting apps. Even Konsole lags right after login, WTF
Sunshine doesn't work on Wayland right now but when it does I'm all in
I cant wait to rejoin that 4% community! Linux might not be ready for every use-case nor have the best hardware or aoftware compatibility, but the incredible effort that developers have made towards a myriad of usecases for FREE is insane. I'm so happy Linux developers exist and create awesome products with consumers in mind. Sometimes for voluntary donations and sometimes for nothing at all!! Shoutout to our community ❤️
4% market share 👍. We should always remember that this is to a big part made possible by the hard work of volunteer developers. Thanks a lot to all developers who make this possible
Hi i am from India and i see Big Picture for the growth of Linux because of Windows 11 24H2 on the way. My new Home PC will be welcoming Linux Mint with Nvidia GPU hardware soon.
I used Linux almost exclusively from 2008 to 2018. This year I tried to give it a go again and my god had things gone backwards. And some issues are still present.
The issue with flatpak downloading many gb of nvidia drivers for some reason persists to this day. Blurry text in wayland when using scaling is the same, but 4k monitors are really not that weird nowadays.
That's when wayland even works at all, I'm still trying to understand what problem does it fix for the end user. Some esoteric security thing wont make my firefox look any less blurry.
Man, I remember having much more of a plug and play experience with ubuntu 10.04 than today. What happened?
Wayland is great, but it doesn't work all that well in virtualbox VM's. X11, however, works absolutely perfectly. I recently switched to Arch for that specific reason. My manjaro VM's started acting exactly like my kali ones, which is exactly why I made a script downloading all of kali's tools in manjaro. After adding yay and pamac to the beginning of that script, I can now use it for Arch, which lets me choose between X11 and Wayland on every startup.
A good decision to remove Xorg entirely eh? Can just install Xorg from the repos?
Okay, sure. Quick question, is it going to be offered for me to install Xorg from the installation screen, or when i update to keep Xorg...otherwise...HOW DO I INSTALL X11 FROM WAYLAND IF I CAN'T GET A USABLE DESKTOP FROM WAYLAND!
I get a black screen in KDE and GNOME is laggy and programs don't open, including the terminal.
I feel like UA-camrs nowadays are being blissfully ignorant of glaring issues with Wayland still.
That’s an extremely rare case, probably due to some very old hardware or a very weird GPU. Most people don’t have that problem now, and even less will have it in October. Also, terminal from a TTY.
Does a TTY work?
do CTRL+ALT+F1-7 (graphical session is on CTRL+ALT+F7, or CTRL+ALT+F2 for me on Debian)
Perhaps you can install an older version, install X11, and then update?
CLI only for the win! Going back to the TTY rules!!!
i suggest you to reinstall the drivers, or try the nvidia open dkms
In the case of Fedora Plasma, there will still be a maintained Xorg package, but it’ll be made by someone other than the plasma desktop team. You’re already familiar with the implications of this. For GNOME, if you have it installed, it shouldn’t be removed during updating to F41, as it’s marked deprecated, but not obsoleted by something else. Deprecation in Fedora just means that, going forward, new packages can’t rely on it, with it being the “xorg-x11-server-Xorg” package provided by gnome-shell. Otherwise, when GNOME or Plasma Desktop eventually officially removes support for Xorg, and Fedora adopts that version of GNOME or Plasma, then you’ll have to look for a distro with a longer support cycle. In the case of GNOME, it’s not really Fedora’s decision to remove Xorg, it’s upstream’s. Fedora is just announcing what’ll eventually happen, as they’ve discussed with the GNOME project.
When looking at desktop Linux, they also need to consider SBCs like Raspberry PI and Libre. If you are making a media center you will almost certainly run one of these with Linux desktop.
I plan to daily drive Wayland as soon as I don’t need to use Remote Desktop to access my desktop while at university. This is a big deal for me, until Wayland protocols come around to solve my issues with no being able to control the mouse or any of that, it’s out of the question
One Wayland problem is the issue with multimunitor setups with nvidia gpu.
I have a 27' & a 24'.
Nvidia-settings seems to be useless as the others (I forgot the names).
Could any of you help me setup my 2nd monitor?
I have my 2560x1440 at 0 position
I want to do 1920x1080 at 320
I do this on xorg using the nvidia-settings but I want to learn how to do it without xorg
This depends on your window manager or desktop environment (WM/DE, eg Sway, Hyprland, Gnome, KDE), and whether you're using the proprietary or open drivers. My favorite resource, whether you're using Arch or not, is the Arch wiki. Search for your environment and you're sure to see your procedure.
X11 shouldn't be dropped entirely, Wayland isn't ready yet if mouse functionality in games breaks entirely, like literally locks to where I cannot use it at all or my character does weird things like spin in circles rapidly when I click anywhere on the screen, you would think things like that would just work out of the box... I switch back to X11 and it works fine again... seriously why push it if it has such a fatal problem?, any of these genius developers even testing games with it or are they just doing the code? .. I think it broke on Wayland because of how I usually do things on my system, I multitask, I have a dual monitor setup and a 16core/32 thread CPU so ill be video encoding or and/or watching youtube while running a game. The mouse control was working fine and then all of a sudden broke and wouldn't recover when I switched between apps... sounds like a legit bug in the code though for Wayland if X11 handles my multitasking without any problems..
It actually IS a violation of license and therefore copyright to make changes to a GPL (or any copyleft) licensed product and not giving out the sourcecode. I always make sure to not change the code and only link as .so so that the end user can theoretically replace it with their own.
I am on fedora 39. It was definitely NOT even slightly close to a decent, usable wayland experience on nvidia GPU. The desktop environment would crash cuz of different taskbar settings, when opening the menu i could draw over it with my cursor (gpu related issue cuz of wayland) and other visual issues and inconsistencies that made using wayland a horrible experience for gaming / desktop use. X11 just worked. it was not as smooth but it was more consistent and reliable. If fedora 40 or 41 makes wayland usable, its good, but i doubt it will do such an improvement in such a short time.
Nick, please make a video on how to to use kde + hyprland or qtile for the window manager instead of kwin. Meaning all the services of kde and hyprland or qtile as window manager in wayland same session.
Fedora 40 with plasma 6 and wayland. I’ll try this 😮
blob only the HDMI 2.1 part, and not the whole driver, and make it optional
If Mint would make DE the default distro, make it run on autopilot, put all of their efforts into 4k gaming and HDR then they would have doubled their installs. Everyone should help Mint DE no matter what Distro you use, it's the gateway that your distros new users will come from most likely. If Mint DE succeeds, then all distro succeeds, if it sucks they uninstall and never come back. It's the Linux front door, make it awesome and then new users will from there migrate to other distros, so it's in everyone's interest to help Mint DE, it's your spokesperson and representative for the majority of people, no matter what distro you use.
I love wayland, I haven't really had many problems with it until I got updated to plasma 6. Sadly there is a bug that affects xwayland applications (games running under proton usually) that prevents the mouse from looking around, so your character is stuck looking forward and won't look around. (I know they will get it fixed soon).
Yeah, looks like there are still a few issues with Plasma 6
I cannot stress enough how much I love what they did with Plasma 6, it is absolutely amazing and I love it.@@TheLinuxEXP
@@dreaper5813 there's an open bug for it right now. Doesn't seem to affect all games but it definitely does helldivers 2
Wayland just doesn't work on my system. Even on a fresh Debian 12 install I can't even log into a wayland session and I'm not too keen to investigate considering X just works out of the box.
3:38 onwards...yeap Mint Cinnamon being imo the most gentle transition away from Windows
I love Wayland but I just hate that whatever I do, I'm not able to remote desktop into my computer. Even the default remote desktop settings in Gnome doesn't work and when I try to connect with another computer using the Gnome Connexions app it justs throws me an error, it's just so frustrating.
Have you tried using RDP?
I'm able to remote from my xorg nvidia desktop to my wayland surface go using RDP (I have ssh tunnel enabled) though Skype screensharing only works on xorg on the surface.
@@cameronbosch1213Gnome Remote Desktop uses RDP
In my opinion also drivers should allow you to do whatever you want. It's linux. Frick around and find out. Thats the motto.
Either you know what you are doing and you are aware of the risks or you dont bloddy do it. Linux doesnt need safe guards.
And that does NOT mean i am against accessibility. But thats something completely different for me.
Wayland is my daily display server. In my opinion it only lacks support to legacy X11 only programs. Discords screen share function is for example not nativley possible. You need the Xwayland capture bridge for that. But when there is a program with Wayland support it is just so much better than on X11. It's snappier, more reliable and even prettier since scaling is really well done on wayland.
14 min 20 s So instead of HDMI 2.1, why not implement the 120 Hz and so on on with Display Port?
If you have a monitor that supports such high frequencies, then for sure, the monitor has a DP.
You have a few things mixed up regarding the Nvidia open "driver". The part Nvidia has opened is *not* a driver, not at all. It's only the linkage between the kernel and the STILL-CLOSED and very PROPRIETARY driver. It won't draw a desktop or accelerate 3D without the big binary blob. What Nvidia *did* open is the minimum amount of code needed to build a linkage, which might help them keep from breaking their driver every kernel release.
THAT is why it is not in mainline kernel and never will be. It's simply a stub to help their binary-only driver, and is therefore useless on it's own. It's not like nouveau, where it *does something* without binary blobs, although a number of graphics drivers are closing things up inside of huge binary-only firmware blobs, nouveau included.
As far as wayland on everything, I think pretty much every desktop of any significance will have pretty solid sessions by 2028, even the smaller desktops are getting there, Cinnamon has an experimental session, MATE desktop has at least initial support; with the upcoming 1.28 release it may well have an experimental session, and XFCE is about the same or maybe farther along than MATE; LxQt announced they are going to be working on it. Of course Gnome and KDE are pretty well established with it. Why I say 2028 ish is while a lot of the lesser known, but still rather common desktops are making releases with Wayland support soon, before they get all the bugs worked out in the following release it will probably be 2026-2028 ish
13:55 Nick, there are AMD GPU's that pull way more voltage than they actually require, and thus, run stupid hot. VEGA, the 5000 series, the 6000 series, and the 7000 series all can run VERY hot on stock voltages. My VEGA 64 REQUIRES an undervolt to stay under TJ max at full load, and that is at stock clocks. With an undervolt, the card runs at 75C, with the hotspot at 95c, and it can at least maintain full clocks without throttling. This is with brand new thermal paste and thermal pads.
Anecdotally, I'm an example of someone that switched to Linix on my main desktop about a year ago, primarily because of the advancements in gaming. That said, there are still semi-regular niggles with Linux that do make me question my decision as an average user. (M new favourite is streaming services dropping support...) I genuinely hope that the next few years will bring greater standardisation, support and interoperability to the Linux before Windows goes down a route that makes me completely unwilling to keep it as a backup OS.
Proud me who installed Linux on 7+ devices
Tuxedo OS is dope!
Plays really well with these troubled Nvidia-powered HP laptops! (unlike Pop!OS, Nobara, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Mint, Fedora)
Planning on buying one of the Tuxedo Laptops now!
The year of the desktop Linux was 2023.. because after using Windows since 1995.. O finally switched. No regrets - Kubuntu
Doesn't Gnome still have a list of unsupported hardware they turn off wayland support for - a list that includes all optimus nvidia laptops - ie, all nvidia powered laptops?
The maximum power should be related to the maximum clockspeed and volt frequency curve math, rather than a hard set value, is what the issue really is.
2500mhz and -90mv only peaks around 140w at the highest, so the vfc transient compensation should be low anyway.
Oh well, a few more watts won't hurt, and there's always temperature based power control.
Does anybody knows which Linux systems will have Wayland in the future? Ubuntu, Pop-OS,..?
It would be great if Mint would have it, until then i think i should build Arch.
Damage due to undervolting?
Bullshit..