SMART ENERGY EFFICIENT TECHNOLOGY Amen, Rehman has no respect as the Muslim arguing who as usual talks over the Christian, doesn't listen, no dialogue just shouting down!
Xoz eXoz christians should be indifferent to evil. if we are not we get caught in the snare that has been set for us. if we bring hate into our minds, we have brought Satan into our minds. Jesus said to love our enemies for that purpose. not to get caught up in Satan's perfect plan of hate.
Nammeri George well, you can find people who's memories Qur'an in any place , impossible to change the Qur'an.. about 73 sect in Islam, its must and should be happen, because that is prophecy of our prophet Mohammad, without that 73 sect, people like you will call him a lier .. So, thanks God to made that prophecy becames true .. It proof to me that he is the true one 😁
This old man knows very well that he needs respect due to his age while he knows Christians don't even care about the Elders and they lack that ever since, whereas the Muslims respect the Elders and parents so much. In the case of Mr. Hashim, he respected him by explaining and asking the appropriate questions and pointing to him why and how he's evading and ignoring what he's missing!
wait! wait! in a very near future, the church will release a new version of the holy bible with a new text addition written in it which will say: "I am Jesus, I am god, I am son of god, worship me!". Pre-order now!....Ops forget about ''Trinity''..sorry.he he he..
u can not lie to muslim, becouse muslim have evident end knowledge..you can lie to your followers.. becouse your followers just believes no have knowledge his religion...
You answered right sir. They are not respectful, know nothing about spiritual life. Wow, love your enemies n in case of murder offcourse justice has to take its course thats when the state come in n the perpetrator jailed not by hanging as you think n in any case the perpetrator realises his/her mistake maybe was an accident and ask for forgiveness with remorseful heart/gets born again, we forgive them. The justice of God takes place because He tells us whoever uses a sword the same will be used on them and that we leave vengeance to Him to avenge our enemies so we don't struggle with vengeance for God fights on our behalf.
What does the fact that there are things that we can't understand? Have to do with you being able to understand your Bible? If God revealed it to you did he not want you to understand it? How does that make sense. Or is that just your way of evading the question.
Okay so check this out. You believe that God is all loving? That God says to love your enemies. So you want to make the claim that God's love is unconditional. So if I don't accept Jesus Christ as God. You believe I'm going to hell. Does God put people he loves in hell. So the condition for God not to put me in Hell is for me to believe that Jesus is God according to your belief. Well I reject your belief and I worship the God of Jesus. And I accept Jesus for who he said he was. And because I accept him for who he said he was. As a Muslim love him more than you do.
Harzburgitic if you think I love Satan like I love God you are mistaken. I don't love the devil but I don't consider him a person or a god. He is an angel and I cannot love him like I love people.... I was being a bit abstract
Harzburgitic I think that love is tricky like that. I don't love the devil. But I don't have to love him. I am never asked to love him....... . But I don't not love him in the sense that I don't hate him or wish bad upon him. Again I am being abstract. The simple answer is no.
You cannot believe in contradictory things. Either one or the other has to be true. They cannot both be true. All Christians cherry pick the Bible. But if you disagree with the Trinity. And you point it out from the Bible why you disagree. Then they accuse us of cherry-picking. It's not our book it shouldn't have contradictions in it if it's from God. Clearly it's not.
*God the Father is the Son???? 1+1+1=One???? Jesus was Born BEFORE Mary???? To be born as Jesus to DIE AS GOD???? God is not the author of confusion????* - I don't know why we Muslims don't get it? LOL!!!
I'm glad the muslims showed how they hate every 1 of the 6,000,000,000 non-muslims . Hashim makes an ass of himself one more time because islam only have 1 version of love where the true Creator has 3 , 2 for man and 1 that his. But muslism are too stupid to know that since their whole World is based on a lie where the qruan was fabricated by muhammed which is easy to prove but muslims go Jihad when you yell them the quran is a fraud.
7:14 *facepalm* God is not the author of confusion. Let's look at the statement in it's context instead of ripping it out, okay? Start with 1 Cor 14:26 and then read until you finished verse 40. Paul is referring to orderly worship and the confusion would've spawned from people prophesying without an interpreter. God is the one who gives people this power and does not give them confusing prophetic tongues. That's the context.
To my Muslim brothers and sisters you know Mary is highly spoken of and revered in Quran, that is because she bare Jesus, Gabriel told Mary she was with child and call him Jesus because that is what he is called in heaven. Jesus is gods first creation, it says I was with my father when he created the stars earth and hosts of heaven. That's why he is the highest order of arch angel because he was created first as an angel, higher than Gabriel, only begotten son, the only bit gives it away. The angel Jesus became a man born from a blessed woman, blessed by god so her birth would be purity, which makes sense if your going to give birth to the highest angel.
They just saying love only to support their claim that they the christianity is very loving and caring but in really they even don't know ......feel very sad double standard though anyway may Allah azza wajjalla give more strength and more iman to brother hashim ...Amiin
5:53 What a joke. "God gave you a book that you can't understand". We won't understand everything God has revealed in scripture but it's not our place to. There are certain things about God that we will never understand no matter how much we think about it. If we learned everything there was to learn about God, then He would cease to be God.
Khalid bin Walid... Let's look at the preceding two verses to get an idea of the context of John 10:30... ‘…neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.’ (John 10:28). ‘…no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.’ (John 10:29). If they are in Jesus’ hand and at the same time in the Father’s hand, then this proves that Jesus and the Father are literally one, as John 10:30 tells us…
Nervix709... In that case, at least you acknowledge that the Jews' being cast out of their homeland wasn't a self-fulfilled prophecy. Now you are saying that it is just a coincidence. But is it a coincidence that over the centuries that they have been cast out of almost every nation they have made their home? The most recent example being Germany in the 1940's...
Jesus love your enemies, Jesus speak in parable, that's mean don't hate them, because if you keep hatred in you, devil will push you to kill your enemies, Jesus doesn't want to go to Hell.
cynthia garza I don't understand, does that means we should hate the sin not the sinner, so that's means we should not punish the sinners(criminals) and let god do the justice?? for example, if someone steal a car, we hate what he did, but we should not punish him.....just let him go...same as other criminals.... god will punish them.....is that what you meant?
I think that all this is completely gone out of order ! It's very disrespectful to put other's down and judge others ; we are not God ! People need to learn things from eacother even if they are slightly different ! God Word the Holy Bible had stood the test if time and remains the same!! The life of Jesus is just absoutly amazing and full of grace Love and forgiveness! People to show respect to eacother EVEN during a debate or conversation! Jesus Christ offers Hope to the world ; and people need yo read the Bible in a clear and sincere manner ! I hope and pray for everyone that God will reveal JESUS CHRIST to those who are seeking to live a peaceful and righteous life! Also they need to understand why God send his son Jesus to save people from their Sins and receive everlasting life eternally afterlife!! JESUS SHOWS PEOPLE HOW TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND OTHERS!! THANK GOD FOR THE BIBLE AND IT'S TRUE MESSAGE!!
We all have sin, we are born with sin because we follow the bloodline of Adam and Eve, all humans are sinful because Adam and Eve disobeyed god, this is the bit that my brethren and sisters fail to acknowledge, no man born of a woman is without sin because they follow the bloodline of Adam and Eve and Cain, who all disobeyed god. Hence Jesus and Mary, Mary being chosen and the most holy of women, but only because she bare Jesus, Jesus was a miracle from god, Joseph and Mary did not and could not have sex to make him are he would have been tainted from Cain Eve and Adam, the only man ever born of a woman to never sin or disobey god, because he was from god and not Adam seed. So he was holy from birth whereas the prophets peace and love upon them were sinful born from Cains blood, sinful nature but men of god.
0:10 Ten seconds in and Hashim brings up rape. It's obvious that he has no understanding of the Biblical concept of forgiveness in relation to justice. He also doesn't understand the context Jesus said those words. Time to educate him (and others who agree): This topic should concern all of us, for these passages underscore the seriousness of truly forgiving, and knowing what it is to forgive: Matthew 6:14//Mark 11:26 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: With that warning in mind, just what is forgiveness and what actions does it involve? Once again, a look through the lens of the first century provides some surprises. This word is often tied up with an idea of emotional attachment and release of guilt. But that's our modern idea -- the ancients had different ideas entirely. Malina and Rohrbaugh's Social Science commentary notes that in the ancient world, sin was "a breach of interpersonal relations" that invoked a debt upon the sinner to the "sinnee". Of course we know this from the doctrine of the atonement: Sin incurs a debt upon us to God that Jesus' blood forgives. We also speak of forgiveness of debt in financial terms even today. Thus Matthew's version of the Lord's prayer speaks of forgiving "debts" and does so with the meaning that we are to waive the personal obligation invoked by one sinning against us. Malina and Rohrbaugh further elucidate that sin thus made people "unable to maintain their social position" and that forgiveness "had the character of restoration, a return to both self-sufficiency and one's place in the community. Since the introspective, guilt-oriented outlook of industrialized societies did not exist, it is unlikely that forgiveness meant psychological healing. Instead, forgiveness by God meant being divinely restored to one's position and therefore being freed from fear of loss at the hands of God. Forgiveness by others meant restoration to the community." This in turn meant that neighbors and friends did not blame you and take sanctions against you for your actions. "Guilt" therefore referred not to personal feelings, but to liability and responsibility for an offense. (One will find nowhere in the Bible someone who says, "I feel guilty!") "Forgiveness" meant, in turn, "being divinely restored to one's position" and being "freed from fear of loss at the hands of God." Forgiveness was restoration to a previous position -- not an emotion. With this in mind, what is forgiveness for us today, and what is it NOT? It is: Not holding grudges against those who do you wrong. A grudge is a form of imposing personal indebtedness. Not holding grudges against someone who repeatedly offends ("seventy times seven"). It is NOT: Withholding due punishment to a criminal by society. Forgiveness is an interpersonal matter, not a social one. Never getting angry at someone or correcting someone who repeats the offense. Remember that righteous anger and correction exists. Anger by itself does not impose a debt on someone until it forms a "grudge" and imposes obligations on another. Practically speaking we no longer have the power to impose many of the obligations and social strictures the ancients did. The ancients might have imposed on a neighbor by social ostracization; today, while some of your own friends might follow you in this against another person, the other person will have friends of their own in support. Individualism has not made debt-imposition impossible, but it has made its effects less. In conclusion: to forgive, there must be a debt or obligation; if you place no obligations or debts on someone (whether physical, social, or emotional) there is nothing to be "forgiven". How that works out in your own life is a matter each will have to decide on their own. -JPH (www.tektonics.org/whatis/whatforgive.php)
Bryson Townsend I don't understand the concept of forgiveness and sin in Christianity. From my knowledge in Islam, sin is action that we did against the commandments of Allah in the Quran and action that harm us and our surrounding...include lie, murder, rape, steal, rude and etc. If person A sin against Person B, person B can forgive person A if he want. No conditions or anything. But the final judge is Allah alone. If Person A sin against person B, and person B did not forgive person A even though person A ask for forgiveness from person B and regret his sin,by Allah grace he is forgiven...simple...no need blood or sacrifices or anything...ask forgiveness and by Allah's grace, you will be forgiven.... Allah know the best more than me...Wallahualam...thank you..may Allah forgive all our sin and grant us heaven...
feel sorry for that old Dude... i think he forget to take his Medication this morning... anyway, Long Live Brother Hashim!
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Amen, Rehman has no respect as the Muslim arguing who as usual talks over the Christian, doesn't listen, no dialogue just shouting down!
Very well explained by br Hashim with logic and reason.
Do christians love Satan since he is your enemy 1 Peter 5:8?
Xoz eXoz no
Xoz eXoz he is not human
Xoz eXoz christians should be indifferent to evil. if we are not we get caught in the snare that has been set for us. if we bring hate into our minds, we have brought Satan into our minds. Jesus said to love our enemies for that purpose. not to get caught up in Satan's perfect plan of hate.
maybe in the future christian will produce another bibble version
In addition to the 100s they already got?
Nammeri George well, you can find people who's memories Qur'an in any place , impossible to change the Qur'an..
about 73 sect in Islam, its must and should be happen, because that is prophecy of our prophet Mohammad, without that 73 sect, people like you will call him a lier ..
So, thanks God to made that prophecy becames true ..
It proof to me that he is the true one 😁
I hope it is like manga. Manga bible
They already got 100s. LOL
There are no contradiction in the coins
This old man knows very well that he needs respect due to his age while he knows Christians don't even care about the Elders and they lack that ever since, whereas the Muslims respect the Elders and parents so much. In the case of Mr. Hashim, he respected him by explaining and asking the appropriate questions and pointing to him why and how he's evading and ignoring what he's missing!
"You got a problem with cabbage?...you always thinking about cabbage!" I lost my shit😂😂😂
OMG😂😂😂😂😂👏👏👏👍👍band baj gyi
love christian preach is bullshit all we need is justice because justice we found love we found hate we must love the good and hate the evil
he said see how Muslims gather around in packs , well we stand our ground , we dont run away like he does ,
wait! wait! in a very near future, the church will release a new version of the holy bible with a new text addition written in it which will say: "I am Jesus, I am god, I am son of god, worship me!". Pre-order now!....Ops forget about ''Trinity''..sorry.he he he..
The Message of Christians is Love and Forgiveness.
The Message of Muslim is Peace and Justice.
Which is Best please reply?
Peace and Justice.
*hating even the garment stained by the flesh.....*
all the verses in the bible are contradiction.
Abdirahman Muhumed my brother have you heard of the Codex Gigas?
Sure seems like it.
This old gizzer is hilarious. Who let him out of the house?
Why should you have an enemy in the first place ?!
According to Christians Jesus will return in the end times and kill his enemies .
If that doesn't show Jesus's love I don't know what will .
u can not lie to muslim, becouse muslim have evident end knowledge..you can lie to your followers.. becouse your followers just believes no have knowledge his religion...
You answered right sir. They are not respectful, know nothing about spiritual life. Wow, love your enemies n in case of murder offcourse justice has to take its course thats when the state come in n the perpetrator jailed not by hanging as you think n in any case the perpetrator realises his/her mistake maybe was an accident and ask for forgiveness with remorseful heart/gets born again, we forgive them. The justice of God takes place because He tells us whoever uses a sword the same will be used on them and that we leave vengeance to Him to avenge our enemies so we don't struggle with vengeance for God fights on our behalf.
What does the fact that there are things that we can't understand? Have to do with you being able to understand your Bible? If God revealed it to you did he not want you to understand it? How does that make sense. Or is that just your way of evading the question.
This old man always says Allah is limited because Allah didn’t become human. This man is so crazy
is that girl smoking a joint? 6:00
why is he so afraid of the bible the Christian man. He knows its false
Mr J I the unholy filth religion.. Islam. Is false..
Okay so check this out. You believe that God is all loving? That God says to love your enemies. So you want to make the claim that God's love is unconditional. So if I don't accept Jesus Christ as God. You believe I'm going to hell. Does God put people he loves in hell. So the condition for God not to put me in Hell is for me to believe that Jesus is God according to your belief. Well I reject your belief and I worship the God of Jesus. And I accept Jesus for who he said he was. And because I accept him for who he said he was. As a Muslim love him more than you do.
😂😂😂
The old man is scared to face truth
next time ask him what colour Jesus was or why they have that fake version of him throughout the planet.
Love is not primarily a feeling it's an action. I love my enemies
Harzburgitic yes
Harzburgitic (yes), I try to. It's hard but sometimes I am successful.
Harzburgitic do you know what is love? Like you asked if I love, do you understand love?
Harzburgitic if you think I love Satan like I love God you are mistaken. I don't love the devil but I don't consider him a person or a god. He is an angel and I cannot love him like I love people.... I was being a bit abstract
Harzburgitic I think that love is tricky like that. I don't love the devil. But I don't have to love him. I am never asked to love him....... . But I don't not love him in the sense that I don't hate him or wish bad upon him. Again I am being abstract. The simple answer is no.
You cannot believe in contradictory things. Either one or the other has to be true. They cannot both be true. All Christians cherry pick the Bible. But if you disagree with the Trinity. And you point it out from the Bible why you disagree. Then they accuse us of cherry-picking. It's not our book it shouldn't have contradictions in it if it's from God. Clearly it's not.
Hashim runs when he hears the name Sa Ra. 😂😂😂
Jesus at the feet mean he put sinners beneathe at his feet mean beneathe him it says this phrase alot you guys are funny
Logic is not everything and Jesus did not kill he was sin less. So your off again.
And God said I don't reveal everything into you. So you confuse if your trying to uncover what was not to be revealed so your off. AGAIN SOCK
*God the Father is the Son???? 1+1+1=One???? Jesus was Born BEFORE Mary???? To be born as Jesus to DIE AS GOD???? God is not the author of confusion????* - I don't know why we Muslims don't get it? LOL!!!
Hahaha old man go home and sleep
Love your religious enimies not people who break the law
I'm glad the muslims showed how they hate every 1 of the 6,000,000,000 non-muslims .
Hashim makes an ass of himself one more time because islam only have 1 version of love where the true Creator has 3 , 2 for man and 1 that his.
But muslism are too stupid to know that since their whole World is based on a lie where the qruan was fabricated by muhammed which is easy to prove but muslims go Jihad when you yell them the quran is a fraud.
Gary wood can you explain what bible tell?? Abt Jesus killing?
??? Who did he kill
Gary wood You not pay attention abt this video??...watch it again.
Love in cristianity is conditional ..
Is that what you mean ?
Oi...put my cabbage back...or else i cant justify my understanding of the bible.
7:14
*facepalm* God is not the author of confusion. Let's look at the statement in it's context instead of ripping it out, okay?
Start with 1 Cor 14:26 and then read until you finished verse 40. Paul is referring to orderly worship and the confusion would've spawned from people prophesying without an interpreter. God is the one who gives people this power and does not give them confusing prophetic tongues. That's the context.
Why not eggplant?
hey u old man, if want to debate bro. Hashim don't go alone bring along your bishop, pastor, or who ever from your church.
the bible is not contradiction the old man say he don't understand, and the price to the sins is dead
To my Muslim brothers and sisters you know Mary is highly spoken of and revered in Quran, that is because she bare Jesus, Gabriel told Mary she was with child and call him Jesus because that is what he is called in heaven. Jesus is gods first creation, it says I was with my father when he created the stars earth and hosts of heaven. That's why he is the highest order of arch angel because he was created first as an angel, higher than Gabriel, only begotten son, the only bit gives it away. The angel Jesus became a man born from a blessed woman, blessed by god so her birth would be purity, which makes sense if your going to give birth to the highest angel.
The Muslim doesn't get it, love your enemy means be tolerant...
It doesn't mean inhilate them...
If someone kill your mother, be tolerant and try to love them, "love your enemy", it sounds cool though
They just saying love only to support their claim that they the christianity is very loving and caring but in really they even don't know ......feel very sad double standard though anyway may Allah azza wajjalla give more strength and more iman to brother hashim ...Amiin
These Christians are so silly.
5:53
What a joke. "God gave you a book that you can't understand". We won't understand everything God has revealed in scripture but it's not our place to. There are certain things about God that we will never understand no matter how much we think about it. If we learned everything there was to learn about God, then He would cease to be God.
Jesus said 'I and my Father are one.' (John 10:30)
why don't you bring the whole context
Khalid bin Walid... Let's look at the preceding two verses to get an idea of the context of John 10:30...
‘…neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.’ (John 10:28).
‘…no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.’ (John 10:29).
If they are in Jesus’ hand and at the same time in the Father’s hand, then this proves that Jesus and the Father are literally one, as John 10:30 tells us…
Nervix709... In that case, at least you acknowledge that the Jews' being cast out of their homeland wasn't a self-fulfilled prophecy. Now you are saying that it is just a coincidence. But is it a coincidence that over the centuries that they have been cast out of almost every nation they have made their home? The most recent example being Germany in the 1940's...
So what jesus also said I and deciple are one so are you going to worship 15 god ?
Jesus love your enemies, Jesus speak in parable, that's mean don't hate them, because if you keep hatred in you, devil will push you to kill your enemies, Jesus doesn't want to go to Hell.
bla bla bla love love love bla bla bal...
islam is so much better and easier where you HATE HATE HATE KILL KILL KILL .
1:00
Love and justice are not two distinct concepts. Hashim is dishonest.
so funny this Muslim doesn't understand 1 Corinthians 2:14
, love the sinner not the sin, our job isn't revenge it is God's revenge..
cynthia garza I don't understand, does that means we should hate the sin not the sinner, so that's means we should not punish the sinners(criminals) and let god do the justice?? for example, if someone steal a car, we hate what he did, but we should not punish him.....just let him go...same as other criminals.... god will punish them.....is that what you meant?
I think that all this is completely gone out of order ! It's very disrespectful to put other's down and judge others ; we are not God !
People need to learn things from eacother even if they are slightly different ! God Word the Holy Bible had stood the test if time and remains the same!! The life of Jesus is just absoutly amazing and full of grace Love and forgiveness! People to show respect to eacother EVEN during a debate or conversation! Jesus Christ offers Hope to the world ; and people need yo read the Bible in a clear and sincere manner ! I hope and pray for everyone that God will reveal JESUS CHRIST to those who are seeking to live a peaceful and righteous life! Also they need to understand why God send his son Jesus to save people from their Sins and receive everlasting life eternally afterlife!! JESUS SHOWS PEOPLE HOW TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND OTHERS!! THANK GOD FOR THE BIBLE AND IT'S TRUE MESSAGE!!
Rebecca Shinhmar
How is the bible message true when it says 2+2=5?????
Muslim very silly
We all have sin, we are born with sin because we follow the bloodline of Adam and Eve, all humans are sinful because Adam and Eve disobeyed god, this is the bit that my brethren and sisters fail to acknowledge, no man born of a woman is without sin because they follow the bloodline of Adam and Eve and Cain, who all disobeyed god. Hence Jesus and Mary, Mary being chosen and the most holy of women, but only because she bare Jesus, Jesus was a miracle from god, Joseph and Mary did not and could not have sex to make him are he would have been tainted from Cain Eve and Adam, the only man ever born of a woman to never sin or disobey god, because he was from god and not Adam seed. So he was holy from birth whereas the prophets peace and love upon them were sinful born from Cains blood, sinful nature but men of god.
this Muslim calls everything CONTRADICTING!!
please!!
but bring up the QURAN ooo my he will cry
cynthia garza lol you wanna talk about Quran?
King Hind
Bring it
cynthia garza bring what?
King Hind
Invitation for discussion..
cynthia garza yes so you were talking about Quranic contradictions, so the burden's on you to "bring it"
0:10
Ten seconds in and Hashim brings up rape. It's obvious that he has no understanding of the Biblical concept of forgiveness in relation to justice. He also doesn't understand the context Jesus said those words. Time to educate him (and others who agree):
This topic should concern all of us, for these passages underscore
the seriousness of truly forgiving, and knowing what it is to forgive:
Matthew 6:14//Mark 11:26 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
With that warning in mind, just what is forgiveness and what actions
does it involve? Once again, a look through the lens of the first
century provides some surprises.
This word is often tied up with an idea of emotional attachment and release of guilt. But that's our modern idea -- the ancients had different ideas entirely.
Malina and Rohrbaugh's Social Science commentary notes that in the
ancient world, sin was "a breach of interpersonal relations" that
invoked a debt upon the sinner to the "sinnee". Of course we know this
from the doctrine of the atonement: Sin incurs a debt upon us to God
that Jesus' blood forgives. We also speak of forgiveness of debt in
financial terms even today. Thus Matthew's version of the Lord's prayer
speaks of forgiving "debts" and does so with the meaning that we are to waive the personal obligation invoked by one sinning against us. Malina
and Rohrbaugh further elucidate that sin thus made people "unable to
maintain their social position" and that forgiveness "had the character
of restoration, a return to both self-sufficiency and one's place in the
community. Since the introspective, guilt-oriented outlook of
industrialized societies did not exist, it is unlikely that forgiveness
meant psychological healing. Instead, forgiveness by God meant being
divinely restored to one's position and therefore being freed from fear
of loss at the hands of God. Forgiveness by others meant restoration to
the community." This in turn meant that neighbors and friends did not
blame you and take sanctions against you for your actions.
"Guilt" therefore referred not to personal feelings, but to liability
and responsibility for an offense. (One will find nowhere in the Bible
someone who says, "I feel guilty!") "Forgiveness" meant, in
turn, "being divinely restored to one's position" and being "freed from
fear of loss at the hands of God." Forgiveness was restoration to a
previous position -- not an emotion.
With this in mind, what is forgiveness for us today, and what is it NOT?
It is:
Not holding grudges against those who do you wrong. A grudge is a form of imposing personal indebtedness.
Not holding grudges against someone who repeatedly offends ("seventy times seven").
It is NOT:
Withholding due punishment to a criminal by society. Forgiveness is an interpersonal matter, not a social one.
Never getting angry at someone or correcting someone who
repeats the offense. Remember that righteous anger and correction
exists. Anger by itself does not impose a debt on someone until it forms
a "grudge" and imposes obligations on another. Practically
speaking we no longer have the power to impose many of the obligations
and social strictures the ancients did. The ancients might have imposed
on a neighbor by social ostracization; today, while some of your own
friends might follow you in this against another person, the other
person will have friends of their own in support. Individualism has not
made debt-imposition impossible, but it has made its effects less.
In conclusion: to forgive, there must be a debt or obligation; if you
place no obligations or debts on someone (whether physical, social, or
emotional) there is nothing to be "forgiven". How that works out in your
own life is a matter each will have to decide on their own.
-JPH (www.tektonics.org/whatis/whatforgive.php)
Bryson Townsend I don't understand the concept of forgiveness and sin in Christianity.
From my knowledge in Islam, sin is action that we did against the commandments of Allah in the Quran and action that harm us and our surrounding...include lie, murder, rape, steal, rude and etc.
If person A sin against Person B, person B can forgive person A if he want. No conditions or anything. But the final judge is Allah alone. If Person A sin against person B, and person B did not forgive person A even though person A ask for forgiveness from person B and regret his sin,by Allah grace he is forgiven...simple...no need blood or sacrifices or anything...ask forgiveness and by Allah's grace, you will be forgiven....
Allah know the best more than me...Wallahualam...thank you..may Allah forgive all our sin and grant us heaven...