Autoimmune Diseases Are Sexist. Here’s Why

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    Autoimmune diseases like lupus disproportionately affect women five to one. Researchers have finally pinpointed a unique silencing gene on the X chromosome that may help explain why.
    Women Get More AutoImmune Diseases. Here’s Why.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 777

  • @fighttheevilrobots3417
    @fighttheevilrobots3417 Місяць тому +244

    I just got diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder (psoriatic arthritis). It took me years to get a diagnosis. Because I have a mental health history and am a woman, I was so often dismissed as "simply needing antidepressants".

    • @abbzeh137
      @abbzeh137 Місяць тому +10

      It usually takes years to get diagnosed, especially if it's not life threatening! It took 10 years for me to get diagnosed with ibd

    • @abbzeh137
      @abbzeh137 Місяць тому +5

      Now I need a stronger medication (with higher risks) because it caused scarring due to being untreated so long

    • @dreammaker9642
      @dreammaker9642 Місяць тому

      Antidepressants seems like the new medical equivalent of « have you tried turning it off and on? » which is kind of sad, I blame more big pharma pushing it than doctors being dumbs dumbs cause they people too but still

  • @meckerhesseausfrankfurt4019
    @meckerhesseausfrankfurt4019 Місяць тому +470

    Another problem with the gender imbalance of autoimmune diseases: It's quite hard for men to get diagnosed timely and correctly. Literally quoting a doctor here: "Well, that disease is so rare it practically doesn't exist. And you don't seem the type. Must be something else". It wasn't.

    • @kashiichan
      @kashiichan Місяць тому +44

      I'm really sorry you experienced that. Our medical systems need to do better.

    • @PurpleNoir
      @PurpleNoir Місяць тому +19

      That’s awful, I’m very sorry ❤ I hope you have had more caring doctors and received actually adequate medical care since then.

    • @lenabreijer1311
      @lenabreijer1311 Місяць тому +78

      Welcome to women's World of medicine where it is all in our heads and we don't feel real pain and we can't possibly be experiencing that.

    • @damien991
      @damien991 Місяць тому +12

      @@lenabreijer1311 Not sure if this is just a US problem or if both my mum's and grandmother's situations are different but both their doctors are really good. They do listen the issue is just figuring out what the problem is, which is the case with my mum. If anyone is diagnosed with something with the word syndrome in it good luck, because that basically means medicine has little idea what is causing it and how to fix it.

    • @anyascelticcreations
      @anyascelticcreations Місяць тому +34

      I've been told that doctors are supposed to look for horses (common) not zebras (uncommon). Well, guess what. I have zebras.

  • @NachosNVeganChili
    @NachosNVeganChili Місяць тому +552

    People with XX chromosomes: have a higher chance of getting auto-immune diseases
    Doctors, somehow: it's just stress

    • @shakeyj4523
      @shakeyj4523 Місяць тому +67

      That's the worst part. And what they are saying really is that you are overly dramatic and emotional. That's why they add the "just".

    • @davidcia
      @davidcia Місяць тому

      ​@@shakeyj4523 And you're giving them back up with the comments 😂

    • @skink84
      @skink84 Місяць тому

      Well Stress can be a killer and activate your genes. Cortisol can be a real bugger.

    • @outlawbillionairez9780
      @outlawbillionairez9780 Місяць тому +32

      Doctor... "Autoimmune disease? Huh. Funny thing, Mrs Johnson... the one thing yer health plan doesn't cover."
      (Healthcare also sexist)

    • @jackabug2475
      @jackabug2475 Місяць тому +32

      Also doctors: It's probably all in your head, but if you insist on making a fuss I _guess_ I can give you some anti-depressants...

  • @joanhoffman3702
    @joanhoffman3702 Місяць тому +99

    I have Hashimoto’s and two former coworkers have lupus. This video helped me understand the mechanism of why we women experience autoimmune disorders more often than men. Now, if we could figure out how to make it stop.

  • @yvonnetruelove2270
    @yvonnetruelove2270 Місяць тому +40

    Our son has 11 autoimmune diagnoses. Having all of these diagnoses, that primarily occur in females, makes me wonder why he ended up with these diseases. What does that mean for him? It’s difficult being a minority with medical conditions. And yes, I get the irony of that, but he’s an amazing child who deserves as much compassion as the next person. In case there are questions, I had an amniocentesis due to my age at pregnancy, and he has an XY chromosome.

    • @colddogs
      @colddogs Місяць тому +14

      i only ask this because i am going through it, and it's apparently can trigger them, but is there any chance your son experienced trauma? if so, look up ptsd and cpstd. also, i read once you have one autoimmune disease, it increases your chances of developing another. i have psoriasis and hashimoto's as a 42 year old man.

  • @davidva8694
    @davidva8694 Місяць тому +214

    I swear I read it as “sexiest”, I was very confused for the first couple of minutes.😂

    • @JosephsDesign
      @JosephsDesign Місяць тому

      That’s a fine looking autoimmune disease you have there. 😘

    • @mayaenglish5424
      @mayaenglish5424 Місяць тому +9

      Lol, we're just so attractive! Fashion IS Suffering?

    • @jajajasputin8927
      @jajajasputin8927 Місяць тому +6

      ​@@mayaenglish5424 if beauty is pain I'm a goddamn primadonna

    • @charlessarver1637
      @charlessarver1637 Місяць тому +2

      I know my minds there too👍👍👍😆🥁😆

    • @karak962
      @karak962 Місяць тому

      I have one,,,going to assume this as a compliment to me specifically,

  • @tru7hhimself
    @tru7hhimself Місяць тому +26

    there's one more piece to the puzzle. women generally have a "more active/agressive" (that's the general idea, but ofc the picture is a lot more complicated) immune response to make up for the downregulation of the immune system necessary for pregnancy. over evolutionary time women have spent more time of their life pregnant than they do now, so that makes sense to get roughly equal function of the immune system for both. right now, women are therefore better equipped to fight off various infectious diseases like tuberculosis or amoeba hepatitis, but are disproportionally affected by autoimmune diseases.

  • @XSweetNSaucyX
    @XSweetNSaucyX Місяць тому +33

    I have an extra X chromosome (trisomy x), no wonder I'm Autistic with multiple chronic illnesses, I have been told I seem like I have autoimmune diseases but whenever they try to test or scan me, nothing ever comes up. But very interesting!

    • @gifttanz
      @gifttanz Місяць тому +7

      Hello extra X human

    • @maipai101
      @maipai101 Місяць тому +1

      Yoooooo! You're a whole lotta woman! 🎉

    • @pigcatapult
      @pigcatapult 28 днів тому +2

      I’m autistic and have fibromyalgia, which was only recently confirmed to be autoimmune. It’s still a diagnosis of exclusion rn tho. No test, just you have the symptoms and they’ve ruled out everything else.

  • @solarmoth4628
    @solarmoth4628 Місяць тому +42

    You might want to add a correction, Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis is much more common than Lupus(SLE). It’s like 350/100,000 for women per year for HT vs 78.73/100,000 for women total with 3.04 million women affected worldwide. The total Lupus(SLE) diagnosis worldwide at 3.41 million people comes no where close to the estimated 2% of the world population effect by Hashimoto’s. Edit: Even if you count all forms of Lupus and not just SLE the total amount of people affected in the world is around 5 million.

    • @cfromnowhere
      @cfromnowhere Місяць тому +1

      I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis and I am definitely confused by that wrong statement...Even by experience Hashimoto's thyroiditis seems more common than lupus.

    • @sini234
      @sini234 Місяць тому

      ​@@cfromnowhere
      I have been tested for Hashimoto at least 4 times (my thyroid's fine), but when I state I belive I might have Lupus (my aunt and sister got that) that definitely isn't what I'm experiencing.
      I also do not believe Lupus is more common.

  • @pyritenightmare
    @pyritenightmare Місяць тому +146

    This stuff is why, as a non-intersex trans man, I still have F on my legal documents and when I change it, I want it to be X. There ARE medical differences between the different genomic sexes (and non-genomic influences, like hormones) and I want doctors to be able to tell at a glance that things may not be as they seem. I have too many medical issues to feel comfortable with doctors assuming I'm a cis man, especially if I end up in an emergency situation and they don't have my medical history or time to check.

    • @PlutosAsleep
      @PlutosAsleep Місяць тому +19

      And you 100% should have that right and it sucks that for a lot it’s just not an option

    • @Dx-Dm
      @Dx-Dm Місяць тому +35

      Nonbinary doctor here. Even if you get it changed, we're still supposed to do an organ inventory. I wouldn't base my own legal gender listing on how I'm going to have my medical care addressed.
      Edit: and if a doctor doesn't do an organ inventory or ask you about your history in a culturally competent manner like they are supposed to, then the patient can bring it up.

    • @XSweetNSaucyX
      @XSweetNSaucyX Місяць тому +4

      SMART AND AUTHENTIC 💗🫶🏻💯

    • @fghsgh
      @fghsgh Місяць тому +17

      @@Dx-Dm glad there are better practices out there
      in a lot of cases they really do just assume, from what ive heard and experienced (probably depends on the country)
      on the other hand there are also health issues that _are_ predominantly affected by hormones rather than genetic, which means trans people are affected in the same way as the gender they are presenting as, so being treated as your AGAB would actively be harmful, but that is exactly what misinformed doctors would do
      we need better education, and more research

    • @Dx-Dm
      @Dx-Dm Місяць тому +5

      @@fghsgh I agree with all of your statements. Receiving gender-affirming hormone therapy or surgeries are very important things to discuss with your doctor. All the more reason to not change how you legally list your gender on the basis of your assumed medical treatment.

  • @skymagistrate5920
    @skymagistrate5920 Місяць тому +8

    Id love an episode on fibromyalgia, its so hard to find any information on it

    • @maipai101
      @maipai101 Місяць тому

      This it seems to be linked to chronic fatigue syndrome

  • @TheThreeDGrasshopper
    @TheThreeDGrasshopper Місяць тому +52

    As someone with a notable amount of family with autoimmune things about them, I'm aware of the jist of this. Feels good to get more details about the 'hows' and 'whys'. Thanks!
    Also... the x-chromsome emiting XIST... it being tied to the feminine sex gene... seXist... gonna be a funky way of remembering this, ngl.

  • @limalicious
    @limalicious Місяць тому +15

    Me watching this while in an RA flare: 😨

    • @deedrole5296
      @deedrole5296 Місяць тому +3

      solidarity!

    • @limalicious
      @limalicious Місяць тому

      @@deedrole5296 thanks, much needed right now!

  • @fmleverynameistakenx
    @fmleverynameistakenx Місяць тому +69

    I‘m sorry, but Hashimoto‘s thyreoiditis is way more common than lupus!

    • @SquashyPan
      @SquashyPan Місяць тому +7

      Yeah lupus is something like 1-2 over 10.000 incidence while hashimoto is more like 5-10 over 100

    • @jackabug2475
      @jackabug2475 Місяць тому +27

      Maybe they meant better-known -- I'd heard of lupus long before Hashimoto's thyroiditis.

    • @KrisRyanStallard
      @KrisRyanStallard Місяць тому +8

      I didn't gather that they said Lupus was more common.

    • @shellym79
      @shellym79 Місяць тому +10

      ​@@KrisRyanStallardshe very clearly says "in the far less common hashimotos thyroiditis" immediately after discussing Lupus.

    • @solarmoth4628
      @solarmoth4628 Місяць тому +6

      @@KrisRyanStallard They did say in the video “far less common Hashimoto’s thyroiditis” according to the subtitles.

  • @empathyisonlyhuman7816
    @empathyisonlyhuman7816 Місяць тому +10

    Howdy hi hi,
    Thanks for doing this episode. I'd always wondered why autoimmune disorders were so much more prevalent in women. I am male, genetically and in every other way. However I've developed not just one but two autoimmune disorders. I have a family history of Lupus, but I am thankful to report that hasn't manifested and I hope it never does. What is do have however is primary antiphospholipid syndrome positive for anticardiolipin auto antibodies, anti beta 2 glycoprotein 1 auto antibodies, the lupus anticoagulant (again, not lupus YAY) and something called polygonal phase that I still have no idea what it means. As well as factor V Leiden with activated protein C resistance. And to top off that quaint little cocktail let's toss in ocular migraines for good measure. Yeah migraine, another disorder far more prevalent in women.
    While I've not heard any estimates as to how many people might have this spectrum of disorders. I have to imagine that it's pretty rare overall. I lived with this, let's see...this is my 25th year surviving this stuff. Too stubborn to let it get the better of me. Next month I'll hit 53 years young and (hopefully), still kicking.
    If there is one thing I'd like to share is that if you know someone who is dealing with an autoimmune disorder of any type. Be kind to them. Understand that it's not a matter of learning and living within your limits. The rules can change from year to year, month to month, day to day, or even hour to hour. I might have extreme difficulty doing the easiest of tasks in the morning. Only to breeze through it later in the day. Or vice versa. So when they cancel on plans, or just can't keep up. Maybe sit with them for a while, or include them in ways that work for them. For those who suffer through these things. It really makes a world of difference when we see others making an effort to do what they can. Even if that means just leaving them alone to rest for a while.
    Anyways, thanks for reading this. I hope your day treats you well.

  • @IzDiaries
    @IzDiaries Місяць тому +9

    My maternal great grandmother, grandmother, aunt, and mother all had/have autoimmune issues. I and my two sisters have always had strong immune systems, but I got bit by a tick with Lyme's when I was in my late teens. Two decades on, I have four diagnosed autoimmune disorders and CRPS. So, I was genetically primed to get chronically ill, and the tick bite was the match to the fuse.

    • @poultryinmotion5721
      @poultryinmotion5721 Місяць тому +5

      People with an autoimmune disease often have aggressively strong immune systems.

    • @deedrole5296
      @deedrole5296 Місяць тому +1

      You have an aggressive immune system. It's not weak. We take immune system modulators to help treat our illnesses.

    • @yvonnetruelove2270
      @yvonnetruelove2270 Місяць тому +2

      I’m so sorry. CRPS sucks and autoimmune diseases suck. 🙁

    • @IzDiaries
      @IzDiaries Місяць тому +3

      @@yvonnetruelove2270 Yep, they do. Thank you.

  • @Tinil0
    @Tinil0 Місяць тому +10

    Well now as a genetic XY with Crohn's and Ankylosing Spondylitis as well as the constellation of other side "benefits" linked to autoimmune issues like painful joints and recurrent uveitis I am feeling extra unlucky!

    • @gemmydoadance1593
      @gemmydoadance1593 Місяць тому +1

      The genetic lottery is more like landing on a Bowser space in Mario Party and just hoping that you don't get outright punted into the sun, LMAO

    • @overlordfemto7523
      @overlordfemto7523 26 днів тому

      Lmfaooo DEFECT

  • @myselfapretend
    @myselfapretend Місяць тому +40

    Fyi: I'm a man with psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis, and I've had women doctors completely disregard me over it.

    • @gemmydoadance1593
      @gemmydoadance1593 Місяць тому +16

      I'm sure they have, it's really not fair. I've also been disregarded by doctors for my issues, male and female alike; it took me 2 years to get diagnosed with hashimotos, and 2 more before they got me with endometriosis. The medical establishment has a habit of saying "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras".
      Sometimes, it is a zebra. And those mf's are nasty.

    • @scarletpathcat
      @scarletpathcat Місяць тому +5

      And psoriasis is one of the few that affect both genders! I'm sorry you go through that, it's not fair...

    • @sharronhankins7722
      @sharronhankins7722 Місяць тому

      Truth😱😱😭😭​@@gemmydoadance1593

    • @VizzyInks
      @VizzyInks Місяць тому

      Women reproduce medical gaslighting too, even if not based on gender.

  • @jamesleatherwood5125
    @jamesleatherwood5125 Місяць тому +49

    Well, Niba, its the second video ive seen you in! so i assume you are here to stay! Welcome to SciShow! I look forward to seeing more videos hosted by you.

  • @eric2500
    @eric2500 Місяць тому +21

    Given how often most women are ignored when they complain of symptoms, I would guess that the extra stress is a real factor!

    • @wombat.6652
      @wombat.6652 Місяць тому

      The problem is we get " you're stressed (that solves the problem) would you like to try a yoga class I know". or....x tablet in the Valium group.

  • @Fox1ord-wy7gx
    @Fox1ord-wy7gx Місяць тому +7

    I didn’t realize how rare it is for men to get this disorder. I actually got lupus when I was younger where my body started attacking my kidneys. Considering I didn’t realize though that it mostly occurred in women.

  • @razzar508
    @razzar508 Місяць тому +4

    I was diagnosed with hashimotos at 7 and its difficult. Always nice to hear people talking about it.

  • @zeratullotus2790
    @zeratullotus2790 Місяць тому +39

    Solid presentation, Niba is rocking these 😊
    It is interesting how much balance on the tightrope of DNA life is always dealing with and how too much or too little causes issues, but yet we maintain enough variation that DNA keeps cooking up new mutations… like any good chef, you will stick close to the good recipe but experiment to see if there is any room for improvement.
    Thanks to the whole team that makes these amazing vids 🎉

  • @colddogs
    @colddogs Місяць тому +42

    i am a man living with psoriasis and hashimoto's thyroiditis. my mother and sister also have hashimoto's.

    • @cexilady3333
      @cexilady3333 Місяць тому +11

      How does it feel to be part of the 5%? /lh

    • @Finkeldinken
      @Finkeldinken Місяць тому +8

      Dang, that's some tough luck!
      Did you have any issues getting it diagnosed correctly because of your sex (I can imagine unconscious bias on a doctor's part) or did things go alright?
      I hope your conditions are well managed - all the best!

    • @blazer9547
      @blazer9547 Місяць тому +3

      @@cexilady3333 what's with mocking a person who has a serious disease
      Next time have empathy.

    • @shakeyj4523
      @shakeyj4523 Місяць тому +2

      @@blazer9547 You aren't edgy sweetheart.

    • @deedrole5296
      @deedrole5296 Місяць тому +9

      @@blazer9547 the /lh at the end of the statement indicates that what they said was light hearted...if you don't know something, look it up before berating others for your lack of context. Please read this as a neutral tone and good advice.

  • @BlackMidalia
    @BlackMidalia Місяць тому +65

    This video makes a lot of sense. Woman who have babies go through drastic immune system responses while bring pregnant. Just look into how chaotic pregnancy is on the human body.

    • @thehomeschoolinglibrarian
      @thehomeschoolinglibrarian Місяць тому +14

      Not to mention breastfeeding. Growing and feeding a small human does some interesting stuff to the female body.

    • @deedrole5296
      @deedrole5296 Місяць тому +18

      also interesting that autoimmune symptoms will often be suppressed during pregnancy and then come roaring back after delivery.

    • @gemmydoadance1593
      @gemmydoadance1593 Місяць тому +9

      My hashimotos is directly related to the birth of my son, there's apparently a correlation.

    • @dawsie
      @dawsie Місяць тому

      Yep, I was placed on a drug used in transplant patients because my body treated my pregnancy as a virus, but even that did not work. I have only gotten to 8 months on 3 of my many pregnancies and they ended in being stillborn I won’t say how many pregnancies that never got past the first trimester it’s just to heartbreaking. The Drs at the IVF programme never could work out why my body kept treating each pregnancy as a virus. In many cases I never made it past the first 6 weeks of my pregnancy. I never told family if and when I was pregnant anymore simply because I knew that by the time the family were told I had already lost my baby.
      I use to give blood every month in my 20’s early 30’s and because of an oddity in my blood each time I went in to donate extra blood was taken and sent to the UNI for their special tests and experiments they were running. After my 2nd blood transfusion I was no longer allowed to donate blood which I was only doing because I was on the bone marrow donor listing.
      I am 61 now, but they never could find the answers as to why my body did what it did. I have no idea if there are other women out there who have never been able to go full term with the same issues as me. The Drs never said if they had other patients like me. During those years of disaster I only had one Dr no matter where I moved around the Sydney Bowl I always went to my family GP since I was 16 years of age, before that I use to live in the UK.
      lol I just worked it, from the time I was born to my present day I have only ever had 6 family Dr’s in my 61 years, and only one of them I have ever refused to see again because he’s a jerk. The 2 best Drs I have ever had in my life were old school Drs, the first one was my last Dr in the UK, he was 92 when we left and he was still practicing Dr he was also one of the Drs who was training the next generation of Drs. The 2nd Dr is my current GP he is 84 and was one of the Drs who created the “Flying Drs” service in Australia he now only works Mornings and he said as long as he still sharp he will keep working.
      Funny how the best Drs are also our oldest Drs.

    • @tru7hhimself
      @tru7hhimself Місяць тому +5

      @@deedrole5296 broadly speaking, estrogen ramps up the immune system while progesterone dampens immune response.

  • @danriddick914
    @danriddick914 Місяць тому +27

    Not all autoimmune diseases are more common in people with XX chromosomes though - ALS for example is more common in XY men. Granted that one we don't really understand as far as I know.

    • @katbairwell
      @katbairwell Місяць тому +5

      I thought the evidence for Motor Neurone Disease being autoimmune was a bit sketchy, circumstantial only at the current time. Have I missed something important? We lost my husband's mum to MND, and I tend to try and keep an eye on the research, but I've had my eye off the ball the last 12 months or so. If I've missed something important, I'd really appreciate any heads up you can give. Thanks.

    • @danriddick914
      @danriddick914 Місяць тому +6

      @@katbairwell So sorry to hear that. I lost my mom to ALS so I only really keep up with that specific MND, but you're right - it's still debated whether it's an autoimmune disease. Saying that, sometime last year there was a study that suggested that ALS patients may benefit from a therapy that targets autoimmune inflammation. Either way, it's wild how little we know about such devastating diseases.

    • @katbairwell
      @katbairwell Місяць тому +4

      @@danriddick914 I'm sorry, my friend, you put it precisely when you say it's a devastating disease. It's telling that almost everyone we've talked too, that has lost a loved one to it, has become a keen watcher of the science, hoping that other families will get better outcomes one day soon. Much love

    • @dreammaker9642
      @dreammaker9642 Місяць тому

      Idk why I first interpreted the « that one we don’t really understand » as referring to males and not ALS to which I was gonna say Amen 😭 I do have lots of questions to take up with my Y chromosome like why can’t I just sit around in peace and think of nothing 😂 why am I preparing in my head for a scenario where I may or may not have to fight a bear? I’ve never even lived in bear country before wtf

    • @katbairwell
      @katbairwell Місяць тому

      @@dreammaker9642 Until I was adult diagnosed with ADHD, I had no idea that when most people talk about letting their brain go "silent", they meant they could actually think of nothing, just, like, empty peaceful quietude. Mine has always squealed and screamed at me like a sugar-overdosed child at a theme park!

  • @KittySnicker
    @KittySnicker Місяць тому +16

    Just a woman here, grateful not to suffer from an autoimmune disorder

  • @LittleTreeBlue
    @LittleTreeBlue Місяць тому +4

    Early detection? I’d settle for doctors believing us when we come in with all the symptoms and a family history asking specifically about the disease we have!

  • @CyberNeo-Taoist
    @CyberNeo-Taoist Місяць тому +3

    I'm a 32 years old man who got diagnosed with MS at 18, an age where it's pretty uncommon for men to be diagnosed and way more common for women. I absolutely can't argue with this video. When it comes to MS women get diagnosed more often than men and, on average, at a starkly younger age

  • @katbairwell
    @katbairwell Місяць тому +2

    Really informative video for how short the watch time was, thank you SciShow for keeping my brain occupied, and interested. Thank you Niba for another awesome video

  • @andrewrichens5733
    @andrewrichens5733 Місяць тому +3

    It should be noted that males and those with Turner’s syndrome also have a waning immune strength against pathogens as we age. This difference in higher rates of autoimmunity in females vs age-associated waning pathogen resistance in males fits into the paradigm of the immune system having to strike a balance between being strong enough to be protective but not so strong as to attack the self.

  • @starrywizdom
    @starrywizdom Місяць тому +2

    OMG, you mentioned Hashimoto's Thyroiditis! That's my autoimmune disease!

  • @peteronyoutube612
    @peteronyoutube612 Місяць тому +6

    Thank you SciShow. Welcome to SciShow Niba - you are a very skilled communicator - my Internet-weakened attention span allowed me to watch the entire video! This information about the genetic sex chromosome component of autoimmune diseases is also part of the explanation for the large variety of hetero, homo, trans and every other human sexual behaviour. I wish those of us humans who think anything other than hetero sexual desire is a sin or somehow wrong could instead try to learn and understand their fellow humans before condemning them. I am optimistic, but won't live to see it.

    • @nerdywolverine8640
      @nerdywolverine8640 Місяць тому +2

      i think you might've misspoke a bit, trans isn't a sexual behavior

    • @WingedAsarath
      @WingedAsarath Місяць тому

      ​@@nerdywolverine8640 he's a little confused, but he's got the spirit 😂

  • @Jimera0
    @Jimera0 Місяць тому +3

    "Xist" sounds like the name of some sort of health-focused tech start-up lol.

  • @kashiichan
    @kashiichan Місяць тому +57

    Y'all, the title isn't clickbait - it's a pun. "Sexist" is actually a play on the issue being related to X chromosomes (aka the long-standing idea that this is an issue in "women") and Xist (the stuff that wraps around the extra X and silences it).
    "Autoimmune disorders are Xist. Here's why."

    • @blazer9547
      @blazer9547 Місяць тому +5

      I don't think so.

    • @justaregularguy115
      @justaregularguy115 Місяць тому +8

      Ikr, NPC is reaching hard.

    • @kashiichan
      @kashiichan Місяць тому +13

      ​@@blazer9547I hope you experience joy one day! Good luck!

    • @PurpleNoir
      @PurpleNoir Місяць тому +3

      @@justaregularguy115 do you have a counter argument based on facts and data?
      I have already stated this a few times already but the title of the video is clearly tongue-in-cheek, think of the headlines from a few years ago the “Covid-19 is homophobic” article titles were clearly not meant to be taken literally and are just using a jokey description of the actual problem.

    • @WrottJackson
      @WrottJackson Місяць тому +4

      No, by definition it’s still clickbait. Clickbait is everywhere, not all of it is bad. If this video was titled “Why women get autoimmune diseases more” less people would click. There’s also nothing related to sexism in this video, if they wanted it to be less clickbait-y, they should’ve called it “Why Autoimmune Diseases are SeXIST” Or something. This is still very much clickbait.

  • @Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty
    @Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty Місяць тому +84

    Gotta love the sexism from the people who very obviously posted without watching the video. 🙄
    When it's over 7 mins long, 4 mins old, and you posted your factually incorrect comment 30 seconds ago...

    • @blazer9547
      @blazer9547 Місяць тому +15

      Title is inappropriate. nature don't discriminate

    • @scalpingsnake
      @scalpingsnake Місяць тому +33

      @@blazer9547 It's obviously just fun word play... calm down

    • @Screeno1993
      @Screeno1993 Місяць тому +3

      Bots I assume

    • @moorbene5104
      @moorbene5104 Місяць тому +1

      Where would that be "factually incorrect" tell me please

    • @therealking6202
      @therealking6202 Місяць тому +4

      ​​@@scalpingsnakeNo, it's not "obviously word play." That's the mistake. Assuming everyone is "in on the joke." They're not. Normalizing terms like sexist is the real problem.

  • @printedwit
    @printedwit Місяць тому +3

    "...y is much smaller than x..."
    784+ dislikes: "and i took that personally."

  • @EmilyJelassi
    @EmilyJelassi Місяць тому +4

    Love your cardigan!! 😊❤
    I definitely believe this... all of the women in my family have at least 1 autoimmune disorder, but most have 2 or more; I have 3.

  • @carpemkarzi
    @carpemkarzi Місяць тому +1

    Great video as always

  • @wombat.6652
    @wombat.6652 Місяць тому +2

    Thank you for this.
    Yes part of the problem for women is that our pain (and other symptoms) are just not treated seriously. I'm post menopause now. I love it!!!! Kind of wish I had been diagnosed with endometriosis. At least they would stop fobbing me off with "you'll be fine once you've had a baby / past menopause. "

  • @ooooneeee
    @ooooneeee Місяць тому +9

    Welcome to SciShow Niba, I love your expressive presentation style. With autoimmune diseases, the complexities of our genetics and the immune system combine into mindboggling complexity squared. Fascinating!

  • @Mr.NobodyImportant
    @Mr.NobodyImportant Місяць тому +19

    Ive always found it fascinating how each sex is disproportionately affected by different kinds of genetically based illnesses. It really goes to show that despite how amazing the capabilities of our genes are, there are still massive flaws to be found in them as well.

    • @shakeyj4523
      @shakeyj4523 Місяць тому +3

      Especially ones on sex based chromosomes.

    • @blazer9547
      @blazer9547 Місяць тому

      Evolution don't care.

    • @TV-xm4ps
      @TV-xm4ps Місяць тому +3

      They are not inherently flaws per se. Your genes make sense for the environment they have developed for. If we do not live in that environment any longer - which most of us don't, in "the modern" world - then the interaction of your genes with the new conditions can go awry.

    • @vidal9747
      @vidal9747 Місяць тому

      ​@@TV-xm4psThey are actually flaws. You can't justify being born blind or missing your hearing. Our bodies are not perfect. They are far from it. They are as bad as evolution could get away with. Genetic issues are totally useless and mostly don't have a "hidden meaning".

  • @RPG1118
    @RPG1118 Місяць тому

    Very good reporting here, you gave a great sense of the research!!!

  • @einsteinwasright1044
    @einsteinwasright1044 Місяць тому +2

    Trisomy 21 is fatal in utero in about 50% of affected fetuses. A few more die during the early newborn period. Life expectancy is reduced even with optimal supportive care.

  • @nitzanshu4695
    @nitzanshu4695 Місяць тому +3

    I know exactly what you're talking about, yet still curious

  • @maivaiva1412
    @maivaiva1412 Місяць тому +2

    here for the guys who didn't realize the title is a joke

  • @laerwen
    @laerwen Місяць тому +2

    As a sufferer of Hashimoto's I'm thrilled you're talking about autoimmune disease and I think you should do so as often as possible. However, maybe refrain from the (perfectly comprehensible) puns because people are media illiterate and the sexist culture war weirdos who hate women come out of the woodwork. (They'll do that anyway.)

    • @mayaenglish5424
      @mayaenglish5424 Місяць тому

      Eh, we can't let the no fun, media illiterate weirdos win. If you can't tell it's a silly joke you're doing something wrong.
      (Unless English isn't your first language or you have some sort of learning disorder obviously).

  • @eric2500
    @eric2500 Місяць тому +5

    From my wife: "I KNEW IT!! I knew it!! Dammit! Life is unfair!"
    Then she said some unmentionable things along these same lines.

  • @SciMinute
    @SciMinute Місяць тому +1

    Ahh so informative video! Thanks! 👍

  • @aurorafauna4195
    @aurorafauna4195 Місяць тому +2

    "It's never lupus"

  • @boraxmacconachie7082
    @boraxmacconachie7082 Місяць тому +3

    I read that trans women (who are XY) sometimes develop autoimmune diseases when they start on oestrogen. Maybe there's a hormonal component to the sex discrepancy as well. Unfortunately I can't remember where I read this

    • @gatordays1538
      @gatordays1538 18 днів тому

      schishow actually did another video on autoimmune disorders that discusses this, a few years ago i believe

  • @adamwishneusky
    @adamwishneusky Місяць тому +3

    New presenter is great! 👏 👏

    • @adamwishneusky
      @adamwishneusky Місяць тому

      Still not sure about the recent use of multiple camera angles 😛

  • @Caterfree10
    @Caterfree10 Місяць тому +2

    I remember another video on autoimmune disorders here and how it was noted that the trend even occurs among trans women, which wouldn’t normally be expected. Which does make me think Estrogen is likely involved too tbh. (Yes, one can be trans without HRT but I believe the study cited did look only at trans women on HRT so yeah. :V)

  • @Julika7
    @Julika7 Місяць тому +1

    I have lupus and always thought it was induced by hormones, since triggers are puberty, UV rays, and other stress.

  • @StickyKleenex
    @StickyKleenex Місяць тому +28

    Cancel autoimmune diseases!

    • @Gaetano.94
      @Gaetano.94 Місяць тому +3

      Tell that to my Crohn's who has taken most of my bowels from me.

    • @poultryinmotion5721
      @poultryinmotion5721 Місяць тому +2

      Yes, please!

    • @mayaenglish5424
      @mayaenglish5424 Місяць тому

      Yes lets do that please and thank you lol.

  • @kamishin7135
    @kamishin7135 Місяць тому +10

    If Autoimmune Disease are more prevelant in animals that have two or sets of Sex-Chromosomes, does that mean the disease in animals where the males have the two sets, like with birds, are mire prevelant to the males?

    • @doraspoljar697
      @doraspoljar697 Місяць тому +4

      That would be a very interesting question and could help people learn a lot about autoimmune disease!

  • @happykt
    @happykt Місяць тому

    My brother has Hashimoto's thyreoiditis, my second cousin (a female) has lupus. My brother also thinks her daughter has lupus.

  • @modhusudhon2778
    @modhusudhon2778 Місяць тому

    Hi Niba!!❤❤

  • @queenofdramatech
    @queenofdramatech Місяць тому

    Can we test for this? I want to be tested! I have multiple autoimmune diseases and want to know if my chromosomes are faulty!

  • @niki_0107
    @niki_0107 Місяць тому

    I recently started suspecting I have systemic lupus (tons of symptoms + family history), so this is right on time 💀

  • @pauljones9150
    @pauljones9150 Місяць тому

    Good stuff

  • @jonheath-smith4438
    @jonheath-smith4438 Місяць тому

    My family have a bunch autoimmune disorders that are expressed differently among us. We all have primary clubbed fingers, my grandmother had AIED, and my mother has psoriasis and rheumatoid arthritis. I myself, a male, have vitiligo and HSP. There is still much research to be done on why autoimmune disorders are expressed differently among the global population.

  • @helpfuliavids
    @helpfuliavids Місяць тому +1

    I have a unspecific arthritic diagnosis including the genetic testing for HLA-B27, which was positive. I thought it was also related to sex, but I just read on wikipedia that HLA-B27 is coded on chromosome 6 though... it still associated with sex or was that a misunderstanding on my part?

  • @pls-shanice
    @pls-shanice Місяць тому

    Can you do a video on Mallen streaks or poliosis?

  • @dorolicious
    @dorolicious Місяць тому +1

    I have health problems that got worse the last couple years, especially since COVID. My gynecologist said to me I should get checked by my GP, because my symptoms sound like an immune issue. I don't like that... 😅

  • @patrickmccurry1563
    @patrickmccurry1563 Місяць тому

    I have Grave's disease just like my father. Thankfully mine went into remission before having to have my thyroid removed.

  • @jilledmondson6894
    @jilledmondson6894 Місяць тому +1

    I have 5 autoimmune diseases. Possibly a 6th which I am being tested for, all related to the Type 1 Diabetes I was diagnosed with in my teen years. I am now in my 70's. This is a very interesting video and would like to find out more.about this theory.

  • @hydencp
    @hydencp Місяць тому

    I am a man and I get hemiplegic migraines, which are FAR more common in women. Is that why I love when my daughters paint my nails?

  • @katherinevallo2326
    @katherinevallo2326 Місяць тому +5

    My husband has MS and we know a lady with MS. Lupus runs in my husband's biological family on his father's side.

    • @rookregent5623
      @rookregent5623 Місяць тому +5

      One set of experiences does not offset statistical facts.

  • @chlve
    @chlve Місяць тому +60

    Comments are gonna be a nightmare I can already hear the crying

    • @DeRocco21
      @DeRocco21 Місяць тому +7

      no its not its deliberate on the part of the channel, and telling

    • @EbonyPope
      @EbonyPope Місяць тому +7

      No nightmare but just people pointing out the clickbait.

    • @shakeyj4523
      @shakeyj4523 Місяць тому +11

      And yet here you are crying about the comments. How ironic.

    • @roberthofmann8403
      @roberthofmann8403 Місяць тому +3

      I'm just surprised UA-cam didn't find any reason to put a context warning... yet.

    • @SPACEDOUT19
      @SPACEDOUT19 Місяць тому +2

      like women cry on every video that says anything other than praise about them?

  • @jennifermorrey7378
    @jennifermorrey7378 Місяць тому +1

    I'm a type 1 diabetic and a cisgender woman. How common is that compared with other autoimmune disorders? I've met several type 1 diabetic men and I wonder what the statistic is for xy vs xx in diabetes.
    Also wondering how common is it to have more than 1 autoimmune disorder since I also have Hashimotos.

    • @fghsgh
      @fghsgh Місяць тому

      i know the reason T2 is more common in men is because estrogen increases insulin sensitivity... but of course that's a very different thing from T1
      looking it up, it seems the ratio for T1 is slightly under 2:1, and, considering it usually develops in childhood, is probably caused by genetic differences rather than hormonal ones, so trans people would be affected similarly to their AGAB (although maybe it is still partially hormonal? so specifically trans men going on hormones could be more likely to develop it in adulthood, which does also happen for cis people but is relatively rare)

    • @heyna1185
      @heyna1185 24 дні тому +1

      It‘s very common to have more than one autoimmune disease sadly.

  • @AddersOtter
    @AddersOtter Місяць тому

    I inherited Hashimoto's from my mom, but I guess I'll take that over inheritance of her schizophrenia and epilepsy.
    I really wasted a significant amount of time in my teens wondering if I was under a counter waiting for my mental capacity to decline. The Hashimoto's wasnt on my radar at all.

  • @matthewhafner962
    @matthewhafner962 Місяць тому +1

    I wonder how this affects the few XX males with an SRY on one of their X chromosomes.

  • @357GREENVISIONRECORD
    @357GREENVISIONRECORD Місяць тому +209

    An attention getting title to a serious health issue. No need to get offended.

    • @blazer9547
      @blazer9547 Місяць тому +14

      Next time they are gonna deliver astrology charts, and call science colonialist for not believing in it

    • @CandiceCotton
      @CandiceCotton Місяць тому +49

      Did you actually see anyone get "offended" or are you making up a guy to get mad at? Personally I don't see anyone upset at the title.

    • @jackabug2475
      @jackabug2475 Місяць тому +17

      @@CandiceCotton Clearly you didn't read every existing comment before adding your own.

    • @IaconDawnshire
      @IaconDawnshire Місяць тому +3

      Sadly liberals are infinitely offended

    • @jackabug2475
      @jackabug2475 Місяць тому +1

      @@IaconDawnshire Liberals aren't the ones getting offended in this instance, snowflake.

  • @RaysOfPivot
    @RaysOfPivot Місяць тому +6

    That second camera angle in the intro was super unexpected

  • @komali100
    @komali100 3 дні тому

    I have a condition called Immunodysregulation polyendocrinopathy enteropathy X-linked (IPEX) syndrome which is the root cause of NUMEROUS auto-immune disorders because of the mutation of the FOXP3 gene that messes with the production and normal function of regulatory T-cells. And regulatory T-cells work to tone-down an immune response, preventing auto-immune attacks.
    The FOXP3 gene is present on the X-chromosome, like the other auto-immune conditions. The big difference with IPEX however, is it, affects men a LOT more than women. This is because, to my understanding, the mutated FOXP3 gene is a recessive trait that requires the mutation be present on BOTH X-chromosomes, otherwise the dominant, non-mutated copy prevents it from being expressed. However, since men have only 1 X-chromosome, they don't have that copy of the correct gene to silence the mutated copy.
    The other auto-immune disorders are, again to my understanding, connected to dominant genes and thus only need 1 copy to be expressed. Am I getting that right?

  • @9sunstar9
    @9sunstar9 Місяць тому

    As a woman who has hoshomitos, this was very interesting

  • @ivanwilliams3736
    @ivanwilliams3736 Місяць тому +18

    I'm seriously confused. What are people upset with? Did I miss something?

    • @blazer9547
      @blazer9547 Місяць тому

      Diseases can't be sexist. Anti science title

    • @EbonyPope
      @EbonyPope Місяць тому +7

      Nobody is upset. The title is just very clickbaity.

    • @shakeyj4523
      @shakeyj4523 Місяць тому +16

      @@EbonyPope It is also accurate.

    • @SPACEDOUT19
      @SPACEDOUT19 Місяць тому +9

      women projecting "sexism" on diseases now, thats the thing

    • @deedrole5296
      @deedrole5296 Місяць тому +11

      @@SPACEDOUT19 Oh look babyboi has a butthurt! Boo and hoo.

  • @sariah77
    @sariah77 26 днів тому

    autoimmune disorders run in my family, for us both men & women get them pretty equally since almost everybody has something. though i've noticed that specifically crohn's & ankylosing spondylitis are most common in my male relatives vs lupus, hashimoto's, & sjogren's which only affect my female relatives (as far as i know)

  • @theninja4137
    @theninja4137 Місяць тому +1

    What I was always wondering, as far as I have learned before, pre-menopausal women are on average less susceptible to infectious diseases.
    Could part of this question also be that this is the downside of a more active immune system? And the more active immune system being an evolutionary adaptation to traditionally being the one who cares for children (who are more likely to go through many diseases quickly, and also a good way to come in contact with poop and bodily fluids) and the ill?

    • @fghsgh
      @fghsgh Місяць тому +1

      another thing about this: the immune system's function is severely reduced during pregnancy (so as to not attack the fetus), the heightened sensitivity could be to make up for that in between pregnancies (also remember that pregnancy used to be a lot more common in the past)
      but yeah, sex hormones affect immune function, it would be wholly unsurprising if say, trans women going on estrogen were more likely to develop autoimmune diseases, but probably not quite on the level of those with XX

    • @theninja4137
      @theninja4137 19 годин тому

      @fghsgh that's another good point, one hypothesis is that the rise of autoimmune disorders is as internal parasites dampen the immune system, and without them we essentially all have a somewhat overly alert immune system. Maybe fewer pregnancies also means our immune system doesn’t get downregulated enough

  • @auDipquid
    @auDipquid 28 днів тому

    I tested positive for autoimmune disease, specifically what type not known yet

  • @nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115
    @nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 Місяць тому +7

    Also this video should include autoimmune disease due to michrochimerism

  • @deepsy2k
    @deepsy2k Місяць тому +2

    TL;DR - Excesses of Xs's cause a lot of messes

    • @gifttanz
      @gifttanz Місяць тому

      Living a life full of messes caused by my excess x's (and exes) xD I love this rhyme

  • @Other_People
    @Other_People Місяць тому

    As a man with an autoimmune disease I concur.

  • @sassenspeyghel4155
    @sassenspeyghel4155 Місяць тому +1

    It's never Lupus.

  • @DraigBlackCat
    @DraigBlackCat Місяць тому

    It's overbearing, a verital verbal assault - does she breathe through her ears?

  • @gaeshows1938
    @gaeshows1938 Місяць тому +1

    Where’s Hank

  • @marksteers3424
    @marksteers3424 Місяць тому +1

    Interesting stuff - however the business about XXX and XXY is given a little too much priority - that is much less than one per cent of the population and would not account for the huge female/male "perference".

    • @fghsgh
      @fghsgh Місяць тому +2

      it's special cases like these that help us determine the specific causes of these issues, though
      similarly, trans people taking cross-sex hormones are invaluable to research about the effects of those hormones, even in cis people, and could further our understanding towards treating/curing diseases that affect them, just like how people with weird chromosomal makeups can further our understanding of certain genetic diseases and give us a pointer for how we could treat those
      for example, do you think we would have found out about the specific mechanism by which Xist deactivates X chromosomes, and how that protein is being attacked by the immune system? maybe, but it would have taken a lot longer to figure out, and we would be so much further from developing a treatment

    • @gifttanz
      @gifttanz Місяць тому

      I am XXX and have always been told its 1 in 1000 live female births, (in my country anyway) presume its similar across the world, which is still signifigant number of people living with the condition.

    • @marksteers3424
      @marksteers3424 Місяць тому +1

      @@fghsgh I did not mean to say that the overall number is insignificant and I agree wholeheartedly with looking at the "outliers" for want of a better term. I was simply saying that if XXX is one in a thousand it would not account for the female bad bias of the conditions - unless of course almost all of the auto-immune suffers were of this one in a thousand type. It sucks of course - just like the males with haemophilia carried by their mothers X chromosome.

  • @PurpleNoir
    @PurpleNoir Місяць тому +2

    WE LOVE DIANA aka PHYSICS GIRL!! ❤

  • @frankogara8774
    @frankogara8774 Місяць тому

    Great explanation, for those who are trying to deviate chromosomes with sexuality are completely wrong. There is only X and Y and no moroe. Pay attention or replay the video.

  • @gemmydoadance1593
    @gemmydoadance1593 Місяць тому +24

    For anyone browsing the comments and wondering wtf is happening, the video title is not clickbait. Its similar to other clickbait memes, such as, "DOCTORS HATE HER!! 5 Secrets to Lobster Immortality" or "blank? In MY PC? It's more likely than you think"
    It's a tongue-in-cheek meme. The prevalence of auto immune conditions in women (specifically on the second x chromosome) is higher. That's the joke.
    Please, fam. Apply critical thinking instead of just diving headlong into reactivity. I say this as a cis woman with three autoimmune conditions (one of which I inherited from my father!).

    • @jackabug2475
      @jackabug2475 Місяць тому

      Uh oh, you used the word 'cis'... the brains of half the people you were trying to reach just shut down when they saw that...

    • @deedrole5296
      @deedrole5296 Місяць тому +6

      They cannot, they will not.

    • @laerwen
      @laerwen Місяць тому +5

      Media illiteracy is everywhere, unfortunately. I have Hashimoto's, so I got what they meant immediately.

    • @mayaenglish5424
      @mayaenglish5424 Місяць тому +5

      Don't you know that jokes are illegal in science communication?! For Shame!

    • @brapamaldi7666
      @brapamaldi7666 Місяць тому

      as a trans woman I am offended that you seem to think that being cis adds any weight to your argument.

  • @brynna8619
    @brynna8619 22 дні тому

    I expected this to discuss Polyvagal theory

  • @lh3540
    @lh3540 Місяць тому +1

    I have the hlab27 type that is linked to ankylosing spondylitis in more men, but I keep stumping the rheumatologists because I only have eye issues and no spinal problems. For some reason it seems being female is protecting me from the worst of this specific disease.

  • @Judymontel
    @Judymontel Місяць тому +2

    I may just be more tired than usual, but I had a hard time following this video. I did listen to it at a slower speed, which helped some, but the concepts are multi-faceted and I needed the facets laid out one at a time and more of the connections between them explained a bit more. But fascinating topic. I'll keep an eye out for more information on it.

    • @marmar90000
      @marmar90000 Місяць тому +4

      I found it hard to follow because there were no pauses in the script. It seems that @SciShow *deliberately* edited out the pauses between sentences, which just made everything feel chaotic!
      We need the natural speech pauses to give our brains a break!

    • @Judymontel
      @Judymontel Місяць тому +1

      @@marmar90000 Maybe that was the problem. Because when I slowed it down, there were still no pauses. Interesting how important that can be!

  • @sporesisters
    @sporesisters Місяць тому

    Another idea, I saw in another video that it’s random which x in each cell gets activated, it’s like the pattern on a calico cat. What if female bodies are more likely to get immune cells that are confused because of this? Perhaps the immune cells in the thyroid are more exposed to the proteins of one x rather than the other and sees the other x as a threat.

  • @the.masked.one.studio4899
    @the.masked.one.studio4899 Місяць тому

    I didn’t see a mention of what I’ve read quite a bit, the link between auto immune diseases and CPTSD. Off to read my life away… 🤣

  • @AndrewMakesPuns
    @AndrewMakesPuns Місяць тому

    Is it the same chromosome silenced across the body, or does the body have a sort of mosaicism ?

    • @fghsgh
      @fghsgh Місяць тому +1

      it is mosaicism! i believe scishow already has a video about that (it is also the reason why 99%+ of calico cats are female, the spots _are_ the mosaicism)

  • @_____alyptic
    @_____alyptic Місяць тому +1

    XXY people are still screwed? How would we know if we have that? 🤔

    • @onbalance4843
      @onbalance4843 Місяць тому

      Usually symptoms of XXY appear during puberty, but not always. Recently saw a video of a man who didn't find out till his 30s, after testing for less specific symptoms like fatigue and heart or lung issues, IIRC.

  • @aquaintsound
    @aquaintsound 22 дні тому

    I have lupus and now i wanna get my genome sequenced

  • @Samael1113
    @Samael1113 Місяць тому

    OK, the first 2.5m of this video leads me to posit that, because of Barr Bodies, where cells turn off one of the X chromosomes, and it's basically never ALL one parent's that gets turned off (most notably visible in Calico cats where they are a patchwork of both parents colorations)... if there is some minor conflict between this where the Mother's X chromosomes are entirely in charge of the Immune system's detection apparatus and it sees another cell with the father's X expressing, it triggers an overactive defense response. It would also seem that certain systems are more susceptible to these issues... now to unpause and see if I'm in the general vicinity.
    Hrm, right path, slightly different path... but the compound that turns off the chromosome getting loose and messing with other genes seems like a good, plausible theory that I hadn't thought of.