I personally liked the fact he gets taken and jailed so quickly. It is not just supposed to be facist government bad its supposed to show that they have the resources to at any point and for any reason to drop in max security prison. The speed at which he was charged and jailed showed the soul crushing lack of hope of being a citizen under the empire. Taking longer to build into it would be a more comfortable route for the audience. You could see it coming and it would feel like if Andor did something different he could have escaped. Here unless he could read the future there is no escape. He was just unlucky and I think thats the point. Other than that completely agree with your take.
It all happened so fast that it was equal parts funny and brutal, I love it. As soon as there is an economic reason to do it, civil rights are a suggestion, there's nowhere you can go unless you're someone, and there's work to be done. I don't even need a second season, it was so fulfilling to watch Andor get radicalized, and have the Rebels struggling with the moral cost of fighting back. If we get more at the same level, that's just gravy.
I think also the point was that like, he did this entire heist, pulled it off and made his money, technically thats where a story like that ends, all happy good ends drinks and babes for the good guy right? SIKE you evaded capture but they still got you for something you didn't even do.
Andor getting arrested at the beach planet so quickly makes sense because the Empire was cracking down on the public in response for the heist he just pulled off. The prison is still the best arc and having a competent and threatening Empire was so refreshing for how much they are poorly written and memed on recently.
Additionally, he was put through the system so quick because he empire needs laborers for their prison workforce. The crux of the prison arc is that no one gets out, because they need them for the production to continue. That also means they over sentence for minor crimes and process them through the courts rapidly.
It's not a Star Wars discussion without people lobbing attacks from their entrenched positions at their opponents who are equally entrenched in their takes on Disney Wars lol.
Andor was such a good show with a ton of layers. Probably my favorite part was how it portrayed the evil and oppression of the Empire without leaning on Darth Vader or Star Destroyers or the Death Star. The whole arc with the ISB was literally all about intelligence officers being sinister assholes who felt just as much apathy towards each other as they did the Rebels. It was such a good depiction of how the Empire was truly corrupt from the top down.
I mean people say Cassian Andor doesn't do much, but him killing those corpos in the very first episode is what sets a chain reaction across the whole season if you think it through 😅
There's definitely a dimension people miss with Cassian's character. Like how Cassian drops some knowledge on the Empire throughout the series; about how the fascist mind operates, but it all obviously stems from this place within him that's half projection like "Because if I'm imperial, this is how I would do it" + the feeling of powerlessness he felt since the day he was taken from his home as a child.
Plot-wise Cassian is a pretty big catalyst for events, but his character never garners or seeks to garner attention. He does stuff but he lets other people take the stage. Microcosm of this in the final arc where he's back on Ferrix and rescues Bix while the funeral and subsequent riot happen. People were trying catch or kill him, but neither the Imperials nor Luthen even saw him while he was there. Cassian did a perfect stealth run of the finale. He is competent as all hell, which reinforces the fact that he ends up as a top rebel agent by Rogue One. Diego Luna's performance in seriously underrated by too many people. His expression acting in the prison arc was exceptional. It's just that the show is filled with some many great actors that even minor roles are well acted, that Diego doesn't stand out as well.
I love star wars, but i feel like saying anything positive about the disney era of content summons people who's entire identity is hating that content and anyone that enjoys it.
I’ve got a fairly big issue with Star Wars UA-camrs. A lot of them just hate dump on Disney (which is fairly justified) but they love to dunk on any new projects without giving them a chance. Nostalgia glasses are always strapped and I’ve just detached from that side of UA-cam…
I used to be one of those people who thought (because of previous protrayals) "the empire isn't THAT bad for the common citizen living in it. Only if you're fighting it." Andor changed that.
Its sad that instead of more of this, we’re getting more stupid flashing lights, and puddle level storytelling. For every gem we get with Star Wars, Disney dumps out 10 turds.
I will say that Andor being on the Beach planet for such a small amount of time is the best way of doing it since lingering too long on it would be really pointless, and making the reason he gets captured a stormtrooper with a grudge defeats the point of him being caught despite having done nothing wrong, it diminishes the idea of the system itself being the evil which is spreading through the galaxy and gives it a person we can blame for it, him being caught because a stormtrooper thought he looked suspicious conveys that indiscriminate nature of the empire's evil. Andor was just minding his business and was caught, arrested and sentenced for a crime he didn't commit, fundamentally personifying the stormtrooper that arrested him defeats the goal and message of the show, because sure while we see people who personify the evil of the empire who we see and follow those are more so the exception rather than the rule, a lot of those enforcing the Empire's laws are just your average citizen who works for the Empire, the judges, the prison staff who don't really care, the stormtrooper that didn't care enough to actually check if he was arresting the right person, all of those people are the ones that feed and continue the Empire's evil. Also him barely being able to enjoy the spoils of the Empire, before being caught by consequences of the heist shows that his ideology of just looking the other way was completely flawed.
Yeah its that last point that feels really important to me. I can get why people find it narratively unsatisfying, but I think thats kinda the point. Because at this point in the story, Andor still believes that as long as he keeps his head down, he can just live out his life regardless of the shit going on. Andor believes hes found his escape of it all and he could leave the problem to someone else, that hes done with his part in the story. It isnt just unsatisfying and abrupt for the viewer, it is for Andor as well. This shows both Andor and the viewer that there is no safe way out from under the boot of the Empire. Y'know, "first they came for the socialists, and I did nothing" kinda deal. That the only way to escape this kind of evil is to stamp it out for good, otherwise it will come for you eventually anyway.
Part of the reason why Andor hits so hard has to be attributed to the fact that Andor's actor had a fair bit of directive power in the script The reason this is important is because he hails from a region in mexico where there were uprisings and unrest agaisnt the cartel corrupted government, which Diego was involved in, so he has trully lived through the message of the show in his life
Andor is pretty freaking awesome. I’d even call it almost Shakespearean. I never imagined that one of the most spine-tingling Star Wars moments would be a monologue delivered in an elevator shaft. Outstanding writing and acting!
Absolutely true take ahout the prequels and how the memes have carried those movies for years now. Anyways Rogue One and Andor are peak Star Wars imo ❤
yeah people just need to get over the fact that you can like bad media without an objective reason and its fine like as long as you're self aware about it,go nuts
@brandendunagan8822 oh yea I love the prequels too I grew up with them (along with the original trilogy thanks to dvds) but good lord they are some real trash sometimes lol but that's OK! Attack of the clones is *my* trash! And I love it dearly.
Objectively episode 1&2 are still garbage idk how people cope that it is good because of the memes. 3 has its ups and downs personally but is nowhere near as bad as the first 2
@ethanduncan1646 like I said in my other comment; they're trash, they're *my* trash! I fully acknowledge AOTC is some hot doodoo water, but goddammit do I love it!
Andor is one of the few things star wars related ive liked talking about lately online, for the most part i just dont do it as there are too many overly bitter assholes in the star wars fandom that just want to tear chunks out of one another over even the tiniest little things. I like most of the newer stuff to various degrees but its just not worth engaging with the wider star wars community in my opinion any more, i watch what i like and then just keep it to myself really.
Well, Cassian Andor does a lot imho. The show is about his his character arch... from selfish to sacrificing EVERYTHING (imagine Luthen saying that) for the rebellion. Just like Mon Mothma is sacrificing so much. And Kino Loy sacrifice... knowing he could not swim and escape, but he was content to help the inmates escape even if he could not. Andor learns to act in a team... in the heist... in the prison. He gives the mic for Kino Loy to speak... he knows he is not the leader... even if Kino uses sentences that are from Cassian himself.
I really loved that each arc of this show contributes to Andor's radicalization against fascism in a different way. At the beginning of the story Andor is clearly anti-Imp, but his perspective is that he can either ignore the Imperial presence or at least find a way to live with it. But by the end he realizes, through his own experiences, that he has two choices when presented with this fascist hell -- fight for a chance to live and save future generations from this horrible oppression, or die. One way out. Also Kino's and Luthen's monologues are just brilliant. Finally we get great writing and a clear story direction in a new Star Wars production.
@@trevorcoyle517Bad Batch is also fantastic but that’s coming from someone who loves the Clone Wars series but yeah imo Andor and Bad Batch are the only good things that came out from Disney Star Wars that I liked
I can agree that 2/3 of the prequel memes are obviously 6/10 probably with mostly meme carrying but I think ROTS can be considered 7-8/10 tbf. As for Andor I wholeheartedly agree that the fact that is just about normal people is better for the most part, it is a breath of fresh air and I hope there can be more stuff that's just not about skywalker. Rogue one was good on it's own right, even without any connection to the other movies, gotta love it
Bricky's rant at the beginning about fanboys being insufferable makes it sound like it's his first day online. All fandoms are insufferable, welcome to the internet.
I really like hearing bricky talk about andor. I think he would probably like it more if he listed to the crews analysis on what it was inspired by. Which is the oppression of minorities in the USA and South America. The star of the show explicitly talks about it being inspired by us colonialism
Cassian andor has a huge presence. He was the catalyst for the heist and prison break. I thought his acting was fine. You can see through his performance how more and more radicalized he gets over the course of the show until he finally decides to give his life to the cause.
I’m all for more shows showing the Empire to be the genuine and overwhelming threat that they should always be portrayed as, and not the utterly incompetent buffoonery we always seem to get.
I took the quick arrest/sentencing to be that the empire was just trying to fill the prisons for the forced labor, they were using the heist as an excuse to make up for their labor shortages.
I saw Cassian as a catalyst throughout, these things happened around him and would have gone different had he not been there. In such a great cast it seems silly to pick a favourite, but it would of course be Luthen...
Andor was the best star wars i have ever seen . I finally feared the empire . They finaly looked capable . Grew up with the prequels and i loved them .
When andor came out I think the Disney fatigue was set in a lot due to the amount of marvel shows. But andor was so good and so many ppl didn’t watch it. The show is some of the best media that came out that year.
Hell yeah man. I’m really glad you enjoyed it. It’s an incredible season of dramatic tv and also the best thing with Star Wars in its name since the original film
Andor makes the empire convincing and scary villians without making them hypercompentent and all knowing. The lower level imperials are lazy and only care if they are doing the bare minimum for their job. From the private security, to the imperial garrison, to the court system this is shown several times. But the pure weight of empire can simply crush you even with its inefficencies.
One disagreement: Diego Luna was fantastic - first lead Star Wars actor in 30 years to get a Golden Globe nomination too. As you kind of imply, his character is initially less charismatic than some of the others, but it’s not that he is outshone in terms of the acting itself . He does so much with tiny facial changes. His shellshocked grief at the end of episode 11 was just so well done.
the torture method - forced to hear the dying screams of alien children- made me think of El Mozote in 1981? when Rufina Amaya was forced [by the Reagan & Thatcher trained death squads] to listen to her 4 children: nine, five, three & 18 months [like tiny daughter Marta ] pleading for her to come and save them as they were burned alive in a church or bayoneted along with over 700 mostly women & children in their tiny town in El Salvador. Rufina had to listen to their innocent cries: as they were slaughtered she hid under a bush, and resisted the motherly instinct to do just SOMETHING. The only survivor who escaped to tell their story. later she named her next daughter Marta to honour the little one she lost. Rufina died- forever sad- in 2007 and Marta for years would calm her as she relived that awful atrocity. She maintains a memorial to that day when 4 siblings she never knew along with her entire village [not unlike Ferrix] were butchered. We can only imagine how those screams of innocence, terror & horror would sound - remixed & layered for extra effect, could in the hands of Doctor Gorn- drive Bix to madness. Such is the breathtaking humanity of Andor. Who would have thought Star Wars could reduce me to tears- with so minor a scene: part of a remarkable tv show that makes the Mandelorian & Kenobi look like dog turd. Thank you Tony Gilroy. & you bricky for your take on this incredible series.
Did it mature past S1 cause S1 felt like it meandered around going nowhere too much ala early Clone Wars for me. Some great moments in it for sure, it just felt draggy.
@@TOGSolidits definitely gotten better sure 1st seasons pace was kinda weird even though I still liked it for the most part but after season 1 it starts to pick up
Cassian is the equivalent to Vorenus/Pullo in Rome. They play a critical part by circumstantial timing, but the journey gives you an eye into events on both sides you would never have had a chance to see otherwise.
Andor was the series I was waiting for after Rogue One. If they had the same feeling of more grounded SW then I'm in. So happy with the way the series turned out. It is phenomenal. Only problem I had with the story was what set him off to begin with. The whole sister thing made no sense and can never be paid off. I had a theory before episode 7 that Maarva and Clem went back for the children and saved them and then resettled on Ferrix to run their smuggling operation. The children were adopted by the town and they all grew up there including Cassian's sister. But she got tired of the life and ran away and that's when Cassian got wind of the girl from Kenari at a brothel and went to go see. Andor, Brasso, Bix, and Salman had that look of dark features that could have made them seemed like they came from the village kids. But Maarva put the kibosh on that and now the start doesn't make sense to me.
Cassian takes part in the Aldani heist, it succeeds, so the Empire introduces harsher sentencing and wider arrest powers that then catch Cassian by "chance". It's just right.
I think a lot of people feel similarly about Star Wars even among people who are fans of the franchise. I've always been a Knights of the Old Republic 2 apologist purely because of the straight fire they were cooking in the concept for that game and the grounded perspective it has on the setting and all the stuff that tends to grate on people. The feeling of being a guy just existing in the setting and dealing with the fact that large galactic civilizations and space wizards exist is the reason I loved those games and why I wish we could get more like them. I haven't seen Andor but from what I've heard it's exactly that vibe.
I seriously think the Star Wars Universe is one of the best intellectual properties that exist but Disney keeps using it like it's only space wizards and rebellions even though there is so much room for them to create compelling shows.
Agreed. Sadly they seem to think it's a platform to tell the same limited stories from 1-6 over and over. Rather than a giant shared universe, that may have strict rules and history, but is also one of the biggest sandboxes in media with endless possibilities. They just get mad that fans wont accept them changing original character or the lore. When they dont even need to in order to tell a wide variety of stories
To your point about Cassian getting arrested was to quick, in addition to the "empire will arrest you for anything" reasoning the quickness also represents the Empire's reaction to the Heist on Aldani and how they used that to quickly arrest people they can then use to help complete the Death Star. So yes it was quick but it is multi layer why it happened so fast, and fast in what we saw I think Cassian had been on that planet for weeks at least.
To be honest Star Wars and Warhammer are both Franchises that at this point both have taken insperation from the other so I dont think its only the Warhammer Pill
Publicly expressing your opinion may get backlash but please don't let it spill into your actual personal life. Please cut that cord and make that distinction despite this being your job. I can only see you benefitting and finding more joy in what you love and more confidence in your views.
My main complaint about Andor was the reveal about the prison being for life. Cause the system doesn’t make sense. I don’t understand how it can be a secret because surely the guy that gets transferred to a new factory will tell people.
I don't think prison for life was how they had always been running it. I think the in-system transfer was an _ad hoc_ plan resulting from the PORD. Remember part of that was the "reconsideration" of prison sentences. There were more people being put into prison (and for longer sentences) and the sentences of those currently in prison were extended to life. They had to do something quickly, but came up with a bad idea.
Someone once said to me the worst thing a movie can be is unentertaining the prequels are bad no doubt about that but at least they're entertaining Disney Star wars isn't even that which is sad.
01:24 In the defense of me and other Star Wars fans I can only say that maybe it's because most of your interactions with fans were (maybe, assupmtion on my side) online. I think that the 10% that write 90% of comments are probably more on the insufferable side.
I will say about Cassian’s character-I get what you’re saying that Andor seems like an extension of the viewer. However, I heard someone put it that Cassian is a refracting lens for all the other major characters in the show. He doesn’t personally drive many of the actions in the show but the values and judgments of characters like Luthen, Mon Mothma, Ceril Karn, Nemik, Keno Loy, and more are all juxtaposed against Cassian and his experience.
Cassian getting arrested for no reason and too quick is not from outta nowhere, in that episode during the Mon Mothma scenes they were talking about a new criminal bill that the senate passed IN DIRECT RESPONSE to the Aldhani raid, tHAT wouldn't have happened if Cassian wasn't there. So if the Aldhani raid didn't happen, the new criminal bill couldn't have been passed, and Cassian wouldn't be arrested in that beach. He was arrested because the Empire had a bigger quota of prisoners to fill, and told the patrol cops to arrest anyone that they can for the slightest infractions, and sentence them for way longer than they should've. It was too fast because it was probably like day one or day two of that bill getting passed, so the quota was still mostly unfulfilled. It's supposed to show how fast liberties can be taken away by the Empire.
Genuinely looks good. The show was everything I want out of a Star Wars show honestly; good effects, great set pieces, great acting, involved and detailed story that makes sense, and no (or almost no) tie-ins or nostalgia bait from the original franchise. I mean, Disney BS aside, that's what makes me not want to watch Star Wars is the insistence on tying it in to one of the main characters. It's why I loved Jedi Survivor so much. It was it's own thing, and the story was told superbly. Glad you liked the show man. Like I said, it's genuinely a good production.
They set both cyril and deidre miro up for bigger roles and character development in season 2, most of what we saw of them in season one was to show that while they both are ruthless, capable and dedicated to their work that same competence and independence makes them directly incompatible with the authoritarianism of the empire. Being portrayed as contrasting perspectives to cassian who rather than run or hide will fall into line and do their best to achieve their own ideals for the galaxy they're all rebels at heart they just don't know it yet and while cassian is being led down the path of revolution by Luthen, cyril and deidre will eventually find their own way to the cause now that they're stuck with nobody but each other after all the chaos on ferrix... if I had to guess
I'm a little late, but I agree 100% Bricky. I loved this show and your perspective. This universe has so much more to it besides Jedi and the Force. I mean, look, I grew up with OT and love it dearly, so most of Disney SW just makes me sad. Andor is just a diamond in a pile of cubic zirconia.
I can totally see why people who only turned on Andor while doing other stuff, waiting for a big action scene may come to the conclusion that its boring … but those of us who started watching it … interested … and cared to listen do thee dialogs closely, got completely caught in a worldbuilding that surpasses every single Star Wars that ever got created, including the Original Trilogy … but it does it with RESPECT to all the lore. Andor is a work that perfectly combines this reapect with own ideas instead of just copying something we have seen before (Episone VII-IX hint, hint).
Absolutely captivated by the two people discussing MMOs in chat as if they were private messaging each other, Bricky's fanbase is so beautifully autistic I love it
Diego Luna is fantastic human actor. Weird to judge him off of one character. Why do people always do that? Even in Andor he did very strong subtle work.
yo the way he just went to prison without doing a godamn thing fuckin landed for me, brother was smart layed low. Did everything he was suppose to do. Still got hauled off to jail, shit felt real af.
Andor is cool exactly because its not about known characters. Star Wars needs to let go of most of them. And not in the Rey kinda way where shes supposed to carry their legacy forward, it needs to let go completely. Stop revisiting the same planets. No cameos. Totally independent stories like this one. There are countless stories to be told within the various eras of star wars, even the war against the Empire that has been the center of most SW content. They just need to not be dependent of each other.
I think you’d like The Bad Batch, they dive into the same thing. There are less good episodes there, kinda like Clone Wars; they aren’t awful tho just not necessary. However, the good episodes really do hit the mark and has some great worldbuilding and nuances.
I will play devil's advocate and defend the fandom. While they don't put it in so many words. I personally think everyone is ok if you enjoy the spectacle of the modern Disney movies. They look good, and the tech has made it visually impressive. Hell, Rogue One is my favorite star wars movie of all time. But what I think most people can agree on, is that the modern trilogy just does not have good writing or story, or even narrative consistency within it's movies, let alone the trilogy. We deserve better from multi-billion dollar media companies. We should be getting that spectacle with a good story attached, not sacrificing story purely for visuals and a narrative that doesn't make sense in that universe. The argument that it's for kids has never held up to me either. As many kids movies are enjoyable to all ages, and have very complex meanings in their narrative. Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED talk. Enjoy your day everyone.
The immediacy of the harassment by the clone troopers and immediate jail, with no real reason was because they wanted bodies to work on all of their mass production that they were building up to that was the point, so I don’t think you got it
I understand what you're saying about him being arrested happening very suddenly but on the other hand the alternative would basically be for the showrunners to cut out very interesting stuff (what goes on in the prison) in order to make room for useless filler content leading up to his arrest. I think they made the right choice in the show.
Andor does a bit, just not at the start. As he was radicalized over the course of the show, beginning with the heist arc, he became a more active participant in the resistance. For the random arrest, I disagree. The fact that the arrest was quick, and "justice" was meted out so quickly was the point. What wasn't lost on Andor once he arrived at the prison was that not only was it unfair, it was collective punishment that affected many people for the actions of a select few on a planet hardly anyone paid attention to. The Public Order Resentencing Directive (PORD) doubled sentences, resentenced people to more prison time, and made walking-while-sweating an equivalent crime to treason.
4 best things in star wars media: ROTS, TESB (only putting this cuz yall would kill me if i didnt but i lowkey prefer ROTJ), the clone wars (especially the inhibitor chip stuff and season 7), and andor
Why do people post their opinions for the world to see and then get bothered when other people add to that opinion? If i don't want to hear other people's opinions, I shouldn't read them.
I just want to say that you misrepresented Andor in Rogue One (It's fine not everyone can get it right everytime). He was one of the two leads in the movie, has immense screentime, receives character development, and his perspective is somewhat explored (try not to sleep walk through films in the future so you don't get it wrong).
I personally liked the fact he gets taken and jailed so quickly. It is not just supposed to be facist government bad its supposed to show that they have the resources to at any point and for any reason to drop in max security prison. The speed at which he was charged and jailed showed the soul crushing lack of hope of being a citizen under the empire.
Taking longer to build into it would be a more comfortable route for the audience. You could see it coming and it would feel like if Andor did something different he could have escaped. Here unless he could read the future there is no escape. He was just unlucky and I think thats the point.
Other than that completely agree with your take.
Yea exactly, even if you don't look up and try to avoid the Imperial flag there's really no escape from it.
It is explicitly a fascist government. The show is about anti-fascism. The empire was based off fascist america and nazi germany.
It all happened so fast that it was equal parts funny and brutal, I love it. As soon as there is an economic reason to do it, civil rights are a suggestion, there's nowhere you can go unless you're someone, and there's work to be done. I don't even need a second season, it was so fulfilling to watch Andor get radicalized, and have the Rebels struggling with the moral cost of fighting back. If we get more at the same level, that's just gravy.
I think also the point was that like, he did this entire heist, pulled it off and made his money, technically thats where a story like that ends, all happy good ends drinks and babes for the good guy right? SIKE you evaded capture but they still got you for something you didn't even do.
@@Ben-fk9eynice callback ^^
Andor getting arrested at the beach planet so quickly makes sense because the Empire was cracking down on the public in response for the heist he just pulled off. The prison is still the best arc and having a competent and threatening Empire was so refreshing for how much they are poorly written and memed on recently.
Additionally, he was put through the system so quick because he empire needs laborers for their prison workforce. The crux of the prison arc is that no one gets out, because they need them for the production to continue. That also means they over sentence for minor crimes and process them through the courts rapidly.
Bricky: *starts talking about star wars*
Chat: *paragraphs, immediately*
It's not a Star Wars discussion without people lobbing attacks from their entrenched positions at their opponents who are equally entrenched in their takes on Disney Wars lol.
@@ethanduncan1646 lol true
His first talking point was immedietly proven right
@@ethanduncan1646fun times
Andor was such a good show with a ton of layers.
Probably my favorite part was how it portrayed the evil and oppression of the Empire without leaning on Darth Vader or Star Destroyers or the Death Star. The whole arc with the ISB was literally all about intelligence officers being sinister assholes who felt just as much apathy towards each other as they did the Rebels. It was such a good depiction of how the Empire was truly corrupt from the top down.
As all empires are.
I mean people say Cassian Andor doesn't do much, but him killing those corpos in the very first episode is what sets a chain reaction across the whole season if you think it through 😅
Absolutely. The heist would not even have happened had Luthen not recruited him, let alone succeeded.
There's definitely a dimension people miss with Cassian's character. Like how Cassian drops some knowledge on the Empire throughout the series; about how the fascist mind operates, but it all obviously stems from this place within him that's half projection like "Because if I'm imperial, this is how I would do it" + the feeling of powerlessness he felt since the day he was taken from his home as a child.
so true @@pimtooler6370
Plot-wise Cassian is a pretty big catalyst for events, but his character never garners or seeks to garner attention. He does stuff but he lets other people take the stage. Microcosm of this in the final arc where he's back on Ferrix and rescues Bix while the funeral and subsequent riot happen. People were trying catch or kill him, but neither the Imperials nor Luthen even saw him while he was there. Cassian did a perfect stealth run of the finale. He is competent as all hell, which reinforces the fact that he ends up as a top rebel agent by Rogue One.
Diego Luna's performance in seriously underrated by too many people. His expression acting in the prison arc was exceptional. It's just that the show is filled with some many great actors that even minor roles are well acted, that Diego doesn't stand out as well.
"Star wars fans are insufferable" Bricky has never made a more true statement lol
The worst thing for the Star Wars community is the community itself.
I love star wars, but i feel like saying anything positive about the disney era of content summons people who's entire identity is hating that content and anyone that enjoys it.
Unfortunately common amongst modern fandoms, Halo and Star Trek’s fandoms also have significant insufferable sects.
I’ve got a fairly big issue with Star Wars UA-camrs. A lot of them just hate dump on Disney (which is fairly justified) but they love to dunk on any new projects without giving them a chance. Nostalgia glasses are always strapped and I’ve just detached from that side of UA-cam…
@@Coliflower185halo I can kinda get but other than Michael Bay doing his shenanigans, what else is there about Star Trek that makes it interesting.
I used to be one of those people who thought (because of previous protrayals) "the empire isn't THAT bad for the common citizen living in it. Only if you're fighting it."
Andor changed that.
"its not a problem if you dont look up" maybe Rogue One's best line.
All I wanted from Andor after Rogue One was more of “that” world of Star Wars, the down and dirty back lines
I got it, and I loved it
Its sad that instead of more of this, we’re getting more stupid flashing lights, and puddle level storytelling.
For every gem we get with Star Wars, Disney dumps out 10 turds.
it MUST be more than 10 surely? @@Lalasquad360 - but yeah Andor is incredible.
it MUST be more than 10 surely? @@Lalasquad360 - but yeah Andor is incredible.
Luthens speech about "What do I sacrifice?" was fn epic.
I love nemiks manifesto, beautiful
"I burn my decency for someone elses future! I burn my *life,* to make a sunrise I know I will never see!"
Andor specifically does an excellent job of demonstrating the principle of ‘the banality of evil’
AND the relentless instinct of ordinary people to resist and overcome.
I will say that Andor being on the Beach planet for such a small amount of time is the best way of doing it since lingering too long on it would be really pointless, and making the reason he gets captured a stormtrooper with a grudge defeats the point of him being caught despite having done nothing wrong, it diminishes the idea of the system itself being the evil which is spreading through the galaxy and gives it a person we can blame for it, him being caught because a stormtrooper thought he looked suspicious conveys that indiscriminate nature of the empire's evil.
Andor was just minding his business and was caught, arrested and sentenced for a crime he didn't commit, fundamentally personifying the stormtrooper that arrested him defeats the goal and message of the show, because sure while we see people who personify the evil of the empire who we see and follow those are more so the exception rather than the rule, a lot of those enforcing the Empire's laws are just your average citizen who works for the Empire, the judges, the prison staff who don't really care, the stormtrooper that didn't care enough to actually check if he was arresting the right person, all of those people are the ones that feed and continue the Empire's evil.
Also him barely being able to enjoy the spoils of the Empire, before being caught by consequences of the heist shows that his ideology of just looking the other way was completely flawed.
Yeah its that last point that feels really important to me.
I can get why people find it narratively unsatisfying, but I think thats kinda the point.
Because at this point in the story, Andor still believes that as long as he keeps his head down, he can just live out his life regardless of the shit going on. Andor believes hes found his escape of it all and he could leave the problem to someone else, that hes done with his part in the story.
It isnt just unsatisfying and abrupt for the viewer, it is for Andor as well.
This shows both Andor and the viewer that there is no safe way out from under the boot of the Empire. Y'know, "first they came for the socialists, and I did nothing" kinda deal.
That the only way to escape this kind of evil is to stamp it out for good, otherwise it will come for you eventually anyway.
Yet if his animal had fouled the promenade he would have only got 4 months!
I think Andor was on Niamos at least a couple weeks. Him and that girl seemed to be getting along and have fallen into something of a routine.
BTW the ISB lady is played by yennifers voice actor from the witcher 3 and mon mothma is moria from overwatch
I knew about Meero but Mothma?!
and Verlo is the tour guide of the beast of Baskerville on Sherlock.
HOLY SHIT!! It all makes sense now
Mon mothma is also mon mothma from every piece of star wars with mon mothma. She just hasnt shown her face until Andor.
@@rye419 uhhh she was in rogue one (with moria playing her) and also in the og trilogy
Part of the reason why Andor hits so hard has to be attributed to the fact that Andor's actor had a fair bit of directive power in the script
The reason this is important is because he hails from a region in mexico where there were uprisings and unrest agaisnt the cartel corrupted government, which Diego was involved in, so he has trully lived through the message of the show in his life
viva Zapatistas
Andor is pretty freaking awesome. I’d even call it almost Shakespearean. I never imagined that one of the most spine-tingling Star Wars moments would be a monologue delivered in an elevator shaft. Outstanding writing and acting!
Another Andor W.
Ladies, gentleman, this wall is now complete with notches.
Get the next.
I do like andor actually feels like a tv show instead if a six hour movie real nice for it to feel alot more chrachter driven.
Absolutely true take ahout the prequels and how the memes have carried those movies for years now.
Anyways Rogue One and Andor are peak Star Wars imo ❤
yeah people just need to get over the fact that you can like bad media without an objective reason and its fine
like as long as you're self aware about it,go nuts
I still like 3 and the vision was there just the execution needed a lot of work.
@brandendunagan8822 oh yea I love the prequels too I grew up with them (along with the original trilogy thanks to dvds) but good lord they are some real trash sometimes lol but that's OK! Attack of the clones is *my* trash! And I love it dearly.
Objectively episode 1&2 are still garbage idk how people cope that it is good because of the memes. 3 has its ups and downs personally but is nowhere near as bad as the first 2
@ethanduncan1646 like I said in my other comment; they're trash, they're *my* trash! I fully acknowledge AOTC is some hot doodoo water, but goddammit do I love it!
The whole Luthen bits really screamed Alpha Legion
Andor and Rogue One were quality pieces of entertainment. i REALLY hope we get a season 2 of Andor that is just as a good as S1.
Andor did what no other star wars could, make the empire manecing.
The prison wasn´t half the show. It was only 3 episodes. And lots of things happened in those 3 episodes with Mon Mothma, Dedra Meero, Luthen, etc.
Andor is one of the few things star wars related ive liked talking about lately online, for the most part i just dont do it as there are too many overly bitter assholes in the star wars fandom that just want to tear chunks out of one another over even the tiniest little things. I like most of the newer stuff to various degrees but its just not worth engaging with the wider star wars community in my opinion any more, i watch what i like and then just keep it to myself really.
Well, Cassian Andor does a lot imho. The show is about his his character arch... from selfish to sacrificing EVERYTHING (imagine Luthen saying that) for the rebellion.
Just like Mon Mothma is sacrificing so much. And Kino Loy sacrifice... knowing he could not swim and escape, but he was content to help the inmates escape even if he could not.
Andor learns to act in a team... in the heist... in the prison. He gives the mic for Kino Loy to speak... he knows he is not the leader... even if Kino uses sentences that are from Cassian himself.
I really loved that each arc of this show contributes to Andor's radicalization against fascism in a different way. At the beginning of the story Andor is clearly anti-Imp, but his perspective is that he can either ignore the Imperial presence or at least find a way to live with it. But by the end he realizes, through his own experiences, that he has two choices when presented with this fascist hell -- fight for a chance to live and save future generations from this horrible oppression, or die. One way out.
Also Kino's and Luthen's monologues are just brilliant. Finally we get great writing and a clear story direction in a new Star Wars production.
Andor is the best Star Wars we’ve gotten in decades
But yeah Disney Star Wars has been a fucking catastrophe. Andor/R1 are diamonds in the rough. Hope season 2 can at least match the first.
@@trevorcoyle517Bad Batch is also fantastic but that’s coming from someone who loves the Clone Wars series but yeah imo Andor and Bad Batch are the only good things that came out from Disney Star Wars that I liked
I think andor is mi favorit star wars thing from the past 30 years
Episode 10 was the highlight of the entire show, kino's and luthen's speech were incredible
6:00 minutes in and Brickys already comparing it to 40k
Yes Bricky. Fave TV show outta the new Disney Star Wars wave
You could say it's an anti-Disney series, that happened in spite of everything it is, somehow
I love that it was nominated for best TV Show. Along with The Bear it was the best thing on TV the last couple years.
I can agree that 2/3 of the prequel memes are obviously 6/10 probably with mostly meme carrying but I think ROTS can be considered 7-8/10 tbf. As for Andor I wholeheartedly agree that the fact that is just about normal people is better for the most part, it is a breath of fresh air and I hope there can be more stuff that's just not about skywalker. Rogue one was good on it's own right, even without any connection to the other movies, gotta love it
Bricky's rant at the beginning about fanboys being insufferable makes it sound like it's his first day online. All fandoms are insufferable, welcome to the internet.
His opinion about everyone being insufferable is honestly spot on
A surprise to be sure but a welcome one
I really like hearing bricky talk about andor. I think he would probably like it more if he listed to the crews analysis on what it was inspired by. Which is the oppression of minorities in the USA and South America. The star of the show explicitly talks about it being inspired by us colonialism
I really liked the Bad Batch, its another 'non force' show and I love it for that
I struggled to finish S1. Too episodic, too monster of the weak, too little character development.
Cassian andor has a huge presence. He was the catalyst for the heist and prison break. I thought his acting was fine. You can see through his performance how more and more radicalized he gets over the course of the show until he finally decides to give his life to the cause.
Its a really good subtle acting maybe too subtle 😂😂
I’m all for more shows showing the Empire to be the genuine and overwhelming threat that they should always be portrayed as, and not the utterly incompetent buffoonery we always seem to get.
I took the quick arrest/sentencing to be that the empire was just trying to fill the prisons for the forced labor, they were using the heist as an excuse to make up for their labor shortages.
ISB (Star Wars KGB) lady is played by the same actor who voiced Yennefer in Witcher 3
I wanna know more about Luthens wacky ship. There has never been a ship like that in all of Star-wars
I saw Cassian as a catalyst throughout, these things happened around him and would have gone different had he not been there.
In such a great cast it seems silly to pick a favourite, but it would of course be Luthen...
Andor is the best Star Wars media since first two trilogies
Andor is the best piece of Star Wars media since the OT
Filoni could never make Andor no matter how hard he tried. It’s just too damn good.
He tried with ahsoka and it was embarrassing
Andor was the best star wars i have ever seen . I finally feared the empire . They finaly looked capable . Grew up with the prequels and i loved them .
This man Is spittin, I too am damn tired of Jedi and sith
When andor came out I think the Disney fatigue was set in a lot due to the amount of marvel shows. But andor was so good and so many ppl didn’t watch it. The show is some of the best media that came out that year.
Hell yeah man. I’m really glad you enjoyed it. It’s an incredible season of dramatic tv and also the best thing with Star Wars in its name since the original film
Andor makes the empire convincing and scary villians without making them hypercompentent and all knowing. The lower level imperials are lazy and only care if they are doing the bare minimum for their job. From the private security, to the imperial garrison, to the court system this is shown several times. But the pure weight of empire can simply crush you even with its inefficencies.
One disagreement: Diego Luna was fantastic - first lead Star Wars actor in 30 years to get a Golden Globe nomination too. As you kind of imply, his character is initially less charismatic than some of the others, but it’s not that he is outshone in terms of the acting itself . He does so much with tiny facial changes. His shellshocked grief at the end of episode 11 was just so well done.
The thing is, watching Rogue one after Endor greatly improve the weight of Cassian's lines in the movie
the torture method - forced to hear the dying screams of alien children- made me think of El Mozote in 1981? when Rufina Amaya was forced [by the Reagan & Thatcher trained death squads] to listen to her 4 children: nine, five, three & 18 months [like tiny daughter Marta ] pleading for her to come and save them as they were burned alive in a church or bayoneted along with over 700 mostly women & children in their tiny town in El Salvador.
Rufina had to listen to their innocent cries: as they were slaughtered she hid under a bush, and resisted the motherly instinct to do just SOMETHING. The only survivor who escaped to tell their story.
later she named her next daughter Marta to honour the little one she lost. Rufina died- forever sad- in 2007 and Marta for years would calm her as she relived that awful atrocity. She maintains a memorial to that day when 4 siblings she never knew along with her entire village [not unlike Ferrix] were butchered.
We can only imagine how those screams of innocence, terror & horror would sound - remixed & layered for extra effect, could in the hands of Doctor Gorn- drive Bix to madness.
Such is the breathtaking humanity of Andor. Who would have thought Star Wars could reduce me to tears- with so minor a scene: part of a remarkable tv show that makes the Mandelorian & Kenobi look like dog turd. Thank you Tony Gilroy. & you bricky for your take on this incredible series.
Congrats Bricky 👍. I am a fan of the Andor episodes also. Thank you for sharing
Andor is so good
I think Bricky would understand if Warhammer got hijacked by people who immediately erase most of the canon to create their own inferior version.
I will say bad batch is the one thing you should watch it's a brilliant look at the clones post 66
Did it mature past S1 cause S1 felt like it meandered around going nowhere too much ala early Clone Wars for me. Some great moments in it for sure, it just felt draggy.
@@TOGSolidits definitely gotten better sure 1st seasons pace was kinda weird even though I still liked it for the most part but after season 1 it starts to pick up
Cassian is the equivalent to Vorenus/Pullo in Rome. They play a critical part by circumstantial timing, but the journey gives you an eye into events on both sides you would never have had a chance to see otherwise.
IF YOURE NOT WHIT US THEN YOURE OUR ENEMY!!
Calling her a CIA lady is way to generous she's way more gestapo then. CIA
Luthen’s operations are very much the way CIA operates - he doesn’t do anything himself, he motivates, manages, supplies, and directs other people.
One. Way. Out.
Andor was the series I was waiting for after Rogue One. If they had the same feeling of more grounded SW then I'm in. So happy with the way the series turned out. It is phenomenal. Only problem I had with the story was what set him off to begin with. The whole sister thing made no sense and can never be paid off. I had a theory before episode 7 that Maarva and Clem went back for the children and saved them and then resettled on Ferrix to run their smuggling operation. The children were adopted by the town and they all grew up there including Cassian's sister. But she got tired of the life and ran away and that's when Cassian got wind of the girl from Kenari at a brothel and went to go see. Andor, Brasso, Bix, and Salman had that look of dark features that could have made them seemed like they came from the village kids. But Maarva put the kibosh on that and now the start doesn't make sense to me.
Cassian takes part in the Aldani heist, it succeeds, so the Empire introduces harsher sentencing and wider arrest powers that then catch Cassian by "chance". It's just right.
I think a lot of people feel similarly about Star Wars even among people who are fans of the franchise. I've always been a Knights of the Old Republic 2 apologist purely because of the straight fire they were cooking in the concept for that game and the grounded perspective it has on the setting and all the stuff that tends to grate on people. The feeling of being a guy just existing in the setting and dealing with the fact that large galactic civilizations and space wizards exist is the reason I loved those games and why I wish we could get more like them. I haven't seen Andor but from what I've heard it's exactly that vibe.
Im somehow the opposite in terms of being sick of lightsabers, I'm waiting for that old Republic trilogy so we can have ALL the lightsabers
I seriously think the Star Wars Universe is one of the best intellectual properties that exist but Disney keeps using it like it's only space wizards and rebellions even though there is so much room for them to create compelling shows.
Agreed. Sadly they seem to think it's a platform to tell the same limited stories from 1-6 over and over. Rather than a giant shared universe, that may have strict rules and history, but is also one of the biggest sandboxes in media with endless possibilities.
They just get mad that fans wont accept them changing original character or the lore. When they dont even need to in order to tell a wide variety of stories
Andor is awesome!!
To your point about Cassian getting arrested was to quick, in addition to the "empire will arrest you for anything" reasoning the quickness also represents the Empire's reaction to the Heist on Aldani and how they used that to quickly arrest people they can then use to help complete the Death Star. So yes it was quick but it is multi layer why it happened so fast, and fast in what we saw I think Cassian had been on that planet for weeks at least.
To be honest Star Wars and Warhammer are both Franchises that at this point both have taken insperation from the other so I dont think its only the Warhammer Pill
Publicly expressing your opinion may get backlash but please don't let it spill into your actual personal life. Please cut that cord and make that distinction despite this being your job. I can only see you benefitting and finding more joy in what you love and more confidence in your views.
My main complaint about Andor was the reveal about the prison being for life. Cause the system doesn’t make sense. I don’t understand how it can be a secret because surely the guy that gets transferred to a new factory will tell people.
I don't think prison for life was how they had always been running it. I think the in-system transfer was an _ad hoc_ plan resulting from the PORD. Remember part of that was the "reconsideration" of prison sentences. There were more people being put into prison (and for longer sentences) and the sentences of those currently in prison were extended to life. They had to do something quickly, but came up with a bad idea.
Someone once said to me the worst thing a movie can be is unentertaining the prequels are bad no doubt about that but at least they're entertaining Disney Star wars isn't even that which is sad.
01:24 In the defense of me and other Star Wars fans I can only say that maybe it's because most of your interactions with fans were (maybe, assupmtion on my side) online. I think that the 10% that write 90% of comments are probably more on the insufferable side.
Owyeah! My bits inspired a video! I feel proud
Andor is when star wars actually has a statement, I love it.
Oh, it’s mixed in.
Thunderous applause.
I will say about Cassian’s character-I get what you’re saying that Andor seems like an extension of the viewer. However, I heard someone put it that Cassian is a refracting lens for all the other major characters in the show. He doesn’t personally drive many of the actions in the show but the values and judgments of characters like Luthen, Mon Mothma, Ceril Karn, Nemik, Keno Loy, and more are all juxtaposed against Cassian and his experience.
Andor is the best written Star Wars content of all time.
hey Bricky! fun fact about the prison. it's design is based on an architectural concept you ought to be familiar with by now "Panopticon" 👀
Cassian getting arrested for no reason and too quick is not from outta nowhere, in that episode during the Mon Mothma scenes they were talking about a new criminal bill that the senate passed IN DIRECT RESPONSE to the Aldhani raid, tHAT wouldn't have happened if Cassian wasn't there. So if the Aldhani raid didn't happen, the new criminal bill couldn't have been passed, and Cassian wouldn't be arrested in that beach. He was arrested because the Empire had a bigger quota of prisoners to fill, and told the patrol cops to arrest anyone that they can for the slightest infractions, and sentence them for way longer than they should've. It was too fast because it was probably like day one or day two of that bill getting passed, so the quota was still mostly unfulfilled. It's supposed to show how fast liberties can be taken away by the Empire.
Genuinely looks good. The show was everything I want out of a Star Wars show honestly; good effects, great set pieces, great acting, involved and detailed story that makes sense, and no (or almost no) tie-ins or nostalgia bait from the original franchise. I mean, Disney BS aside, that's what makes me not want to watch Star Wars is the insistence on tying it in to one of the main characters.
It's why I loved Jedi Survivor so much. It was it's own thing, and the story was told superbly. Glad you liked the show man. Like I said, it's genuinely a good production.
Agreed Boba Fett is the bottom rung and Kenobi never got me excited.
They set both cyril and deidre miro up for bigger roles and character development in season 2, most of what we saw of them in season one was to show that while they both are ruthless, capable and dedicated to their work that same competence and independence makes them directly incompatible with the authoritarianism of the empire. Being portrayed as contrasting perspectives to cassian who rather than run or hide will fall into line and do their best to achieve their own ideals for the galaxy they're all rebels at heart they just don't know it yet and while cassian is being led down the path of revolution by Luthen, cyril and deidre will eventually find their own way to the cause now that they're stuck with nobody but each other after all the chaos on ferrix... if I had to guess
I'm a little late, but I agree 100% Bricky. I loved this show and your perspective. This universe has so much more to it besides Jedi and the Force. I mean, look, I grew up with OT and love it dearly, so most of Disney SW just makes me sad. Andor is just a diamond in a pile of cubic zirconia.
I can totally see why people who only turned on Andor while doing other stuff, waiting for a big action scene may come to the conclusion that its boring … but those of us who started watching it … interested … and cared to listen do thee dialogs closely, got completely caught in a worldbuilding that surpasses every single Star Wars that ever got created, including the Original Trilogy … but it does it with RESPECT to all the lore. Andor is a work that perfectly combines this reapect with own ideas instead of just copying something we have seen before (Episone VII-IX hint, hint).
Absolutely captivated by the two people discussing MMOs in chat as if they were private messaging each other, Bricky's fanbase is so beautifully autistic I love it
Diego Luna is fantastic human actor. Weird to judge him off of one character. Why do people always do that?
Even in Andor he did very strong subtle work.
2:06 and here I thought it was the exact way around...
yo the way he just went to prison without doing a godamn thing fuckin landed for me, brother was smart layed low. Did everything he was suppose to do. Still got hauled off to jail, shit felt real af.
Andor is cool exactly because its not about known characters. Star Wars needs to let go of most of them. And not in the Rey kinda way where shes supposed to carry their legacy forward, it needs to let go completely. Stop revisiting the same planets. No cameos. Totally independent stories like this one. There are countless stories to be told within the various eras of star wars, even the war against the Empire that has been the center of most SW content. They just need to not be dependent of each other.
I think you’d like The Bad Batch, they dive into the same thing. There are less good episodes there, kinda like Clone Wars; they aren’t awful tho just not necessary. However, the good episodes really do hit the mark and has some great worldbuilding and nuances.
I will play devil's advocate and defend the fandom. While they don't put it in so many words. I personally think everyone is ok if you enjoy the spectacle of the modern Disney movies. They look good, and the tech has made it visually impressive. Hell, Rogue One is my favorite star wars movie of all time. But what I think most people can agree on, is that the modern trilogy just does not have good writing or story, or even narrative consistency within it's movies, let alone the trilogy. We deserve better from multi-billion dollar media companies. We should be getting that spectacle with a good story attached, not sacrificing story purely for visuals and a narrative that doesn't make sense in that universe. The argument that it's for kids has never held up to me either. As many kids movies are enjoyable to all ages, and have very complex meanings in their narrative. Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED talk. Enjoy your day everyone.
No, Disney shit is abhorrently bad. I will never forget or forgive the "Somehow palpatine returned" line
The immediacy of the harassment by the clone troopers and immediate jail, with no real reason was because they wanted bodies to work on all of their mass production that they were building up to that was the point, so I don’t think you got it
Yeah I personally thought Andor was the best star wars content we've gotten in years
I understand what you're saying about him being arrested happening very suddenly but on the other hand the alternative would basically be for the showrunners to cut out very interesting stuff (what goes on in the prison) in order to make room for useless filler content leading up to his arrest.
I think they made the right choice in the show.
Bad Batch, Andor, first bit of the Mandolorain, and last season of clone wars are about the only bits worth watching
Andor does a bit, just not at the start. As he was radicalized over the course of the show, beginning with the heist arc, he became a more active participant in the resistance.
For the random arrest, I disagree. The fact that the arrest was quick, and "justice" was meted out so quickly was the point. What wasn't lost on Andor once he arrived at the prison was that not only was it unfair, it was collective punishment that affected many people for the actions of a select few on a planet hardly anyone paid attention to. The Public Order Resentencing Directive (PORD) doubled sentences, resentenced people to more prison time, and made walking-while-sweating an equivalent crime to treason.
4 best things in star wars media: ROTS, TESB (only putting this cuz yall would kill me if i didnt but i lowkey prefer ROTJ), the clone wars (especially the inhibitor chip stuff and season 7), and andor
Why do people post their opinions for the world to see and then get bothered when other people add to that opinion?
If i don't want to hear other people's opinions, I shouldn't read them.
I just want to say that you misrepresented Andor in Rogue One (It's fine not everyone can get it right everytime). He was one of the two leads in the movie, has immense screentime, receives character development, and his perspective is somewhat explored (try not to sleep walk through films in the future so you don't get it wrong).
The Pink Floyd reference - at the end of it all you're just another brick in the wall.