Read our comparison of the CFMoto 650 ADVentura, Versys 650, & the Tiger 660 on Common Tread! rvz.la/3RbN3Bt Tires running bald? Check out Michelin for some new rubber! rvz.la/3R3jfHj
go check out the cf moto 800 adventure / 800 MT it uses the KTM 790 engine and its built in the KTM china factory but for a super cheap price and it has cruise control and tire pressure monitors and heated grips and seat and crash bars and soo much more for way less then a big KTM adv or africa twin
Διάβασα το συγκριτικό μεταξύ των μοτοσικλετών που αναφέρεις. Απλά είσαι άδικος με το Cf moto. Όσο αφορά την ανάρτηση. Τα άλλα δύο έχουν μόνο προφόρτιση ελατηρίου πίσω κάτι που τα κάνει λιγότερο ρυθμίσιμα από το cf moto. Το cf moto έχει και ρύθμιση επαναφοράς (η βιολετή βίδα) κάτι που είχαν τα πρώτα Versys 650 και κατέργησαν απλά βάζοντας ένα πιο φθηνό αμορτισέρ. Μιας και έχω την Cf moto 650 mt f3 euro 5 2021, είναι πιο σπορ και πιο άνετη και σε ταξίδι με δύο άτομα από τον βασιλιά της κατηγορίας v strom 650 που είχα από το 2008. Η απόδειξη είναι η σύζυγος που δεν μου ζητάει κάθε 100 χιλιόμετρα να κάνουμε στάση. Με σεβασμό στις γνώσεις σου.
A few things I forgot to say in the video!: - 2 year warranty - Backlit switches! - USB port in the cockpit - No remote preload adjuster on the shock Thanks for watching, and be sure to read Ari’s article for details on the bike and the competition.
I appreciate the unbiased reviews that Zach, Ari and the rest of you guys do; it's nice to see someone not beholden to the manufacturers doing straight-up honest reviews.
@@M8D4funthis does just seem like a worse Versys, which is unfortunate because the 450SS separates itself enough to make it feel unique to the Ninja 400/500 imo. If someone was crosshopping these two, I can't understand why they'd get the 650 Adventura unless it happens to be way cheaper
My bmw 850gs mounted friend said to me "I will never buy a Chinese bike,ever", he almost have a heart attack when I said the bmw 850 engine is made in china!
Big difference between buying a German bike assembled in China and buying a bike from a Chinese company. BMW sets their own production standards, does their own engineering, r&d, quality assurance, inspections, etc. That's why they are expensive. China reverse engineers, buys, or outright steals engine and chassis designs from other companies. They can't fix problems or refine anything if they don't know how the design came to be what it is.
Awesome vid Zach, I would really appreciate a quick rundown on headlight performance. For myself and many others, half our commute is in the dark so that would be a great addition to this awesome series!
would love to see a daily rider review for all sizes of cfmotos motorcycle line up! The 300nk looks like a fun lil bike that can do super light highway riding but really want to see a real deep dive review like this on it.
Where does the adventure gain its weight over the versys, do the engines share internal geometry, is there any parts compatibility? I'm just curious if I could shave weight from the cfmoto. I'm also curious if I could go to a Kawasaki dealer and order versus parts for maintenance.
I just bought the 650 ADVentura. I was about to pull the trigget on the CXL 700. then I walked in the back of the showroom and saw this one. So far, I love it. smooth ride, I ride a BMW RT1250 for work... and besides the name (and the obvious other 650 CC's) im just as comfortable on the CFMoto as I am my work BMW... it's great!
I test rode it back to back with a Tiger 660, Versys 650 and VStrom 650 and came back pretty impressed with the fit and finish and general quality of the equipment. I have to agree though, that in terms of feel, it felt very similar to the Versys 650. It's probably going to be liked a lot by people who wanted a better dash and a newer look on the Versys 650. My personal favorite among the 4 is the VStrom 650 tbh.
I stopped last week and checked these out at our local dealer. Good looking bikes. But they had street tires on the Adventura and block tread 30/70 tires on the pure street bikes. Salesman wondered about that too. Time will tell.
Thank you for a honest review! The question for me is, is the CFmoto worth buying against a bike from ~2012? as that's how much a suzuki/honda/kawasaki second hand costs to buy and service. thx!
I hear a lot about the 2022 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro and I would love to know how it is for a daily rider and where it stacks up with the others you have on the board.
I am interested on your thoughts about the CFMOTO 800 ADVentura T thats being released in the states. Is it more of the same comments, observation from the 650 ADVentura? Is the bang for the buck worth it for the 800 or stick with a Versys or V-Strom?
Zach how you compare this bike to the Trk 502? Very limited options of new ADVs in pakistan, only other option are the Motorrad bikes which cost north of 45-000-50,000$ for the 850 and 1250s.
I was wondering how this bike compares to the lets say the used bike market, is buying a new cf moto 650 worth it compared to a used bike wich will be considerably older etc. ?
From what I got from the video, this is basically a 1st gen Versys 650, for a 1st gen Versys 650 price. As someone who owns a 2009 Versys 650, this really does sound like a comparison of the 1st gen vs the 3rd/4th gen, except for the display, the 1st and 2nd gen V650 have literally the best non-TFT displays in existence, they get the analog tach, digital speedo, fuel gauge, easy to read, easy to use, formula down pat.
Hi Zac, thanks for reviewing the CF moto. This bike caught my eyes a week ago and couldn't figure out what brand it is as I had never heard of it. Your video just came on time. One question though on the Daily Rider board. Why is BMW s1000rr even there? It has been working just as a benchmark for the worst bike. Given that it is not a dedicated commute bike, I struggle to understand why it is there on the board, anyway. As an owner of S1000rr approching my 50's with not perfect knee and back health, it is pretty comfortable bike for a 100 km trip. Thanks
Ok I Need A SnowBeast Bike Because I Cant Get A Car Rn And Its Gonna Be Cold Af Soon. I've Been Thinking 390Adv KTM. Or CFMoto Adventura 650. Both Hitton for 6,799 USD. What Yall Think?
It weighs as much as the Moto Guzzi V85TT Travel that you panned. And the Goose has 6 gallons of gas and more capability by all appearances. It is cheaper though, right?
The 2023 has rebound adjustment front, and rebound/preload rear. The tires are Pirelli Angel GTs, and the forks and shock are KYB units. The US warranty is two years.This bike is clearly a work in progress, but the company seems to be paying attention. With the suspension adjusted and a change of tires, the 2023 bike should be able to handle some light duty off-road riding just fine.
Rode one for a little bit and decided it's perfect for someone who hasn't ridden anything nicer. It will absolutely draw people in with the features and unless they're already a veteran rider with a wide portfolio of bike experience. The thing this bike doesn't do as well as the competition (balance, roughness, chassis stiffness) is not going to be immediately apparent to someone who hasn't experienced something better. Hats off to making a solid bike for cheap.
I come from an Aprilia Shiver and love my Adventure. The Shiver I can't drive to the limits, the Adventura I can. It's much more comfortable, not as loud and easier to use for short vacations.
@@jothain Styling is by the same styling house as KTM. The 650 engine is a copy of the Kawasaki 650. Bore and stroke are the same. Even the rear suspension is modelled on the ER6.
I bought my 2022 very cheap. I was only able to put 300 miles on it before winter. So far, I really like it. It seems to be well built. Time will tell.
I just bought a new 2022 yesterday, all In after the loans paid off I'll be out 5700 including taxes and registration, 4700 if I pay it off in 6 months(zero apr for 6 months), Granted this was a bike stuck on the floor for 2 years and the dealer wanted it gone, and it had a few miles on it(41) from a few test rides
I love the in-depth reviews you provide. I have watched dozens of them. I am currently on a 2000 Honda Valkyrie. As an older rider, I am considering a transition to three wheels. I would be interested in your opinion / review of a Can Am Ryker 600, or a Piaggio MPE500 Scooter to gain a little on MPG and stability. Thanks again for the great content. I am a new subscriber!
Guy I know got the sport bike 700 CF makes, and it's honestly a handsome bike. My assessment of that vs the mt07 is about same as this vs the kawasaki 650, the cf's aren't as good, but they are a good option for what dollars vs what you get. Are the existing brand bikes better? Yes, absolutely, but are they the price difference better? That's a harder question to answer, depending on what really matters to you. Buddy with the 700 is looking at it as a starter sport bike, and wants to step up to an entry level Ducati in another year.
I think if you sell your bike should factor in two. I pay more for Honda but when I go to sell it I get about the same amount as I put in. But I have a feeling if I buy a cf im going to loose a lot of value when I go to get another bike.
In America there are way too many low mileage used good motorcycle to be messing with a bargain bin bike... and speaking of bargain bin bikes how does 80mph on the absolutely cheapest swing arm sound? How about the cheapest steel frame or brake rotors ?
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 The thing is, on these bikes they aren't the cheapest swingarms and brake components. There is no reason a part put of China can't be just as good as a part out of Japan or Germany or another country of origin you wouldn't think twice about. Everyone does look down on Chinese parts because they are usually built down to a price, specifically for the purpose of undercutting what else is there for the sake of gaining market share, but when they actually want to make a good part as opposed to a cheap part, they are capable. Hell, CF makes the engines for most lower trim ktms and no one thinks twice about those.
@@rotorhead5000 your onto it, they have Spanish J Juan brakes on them too which is now a subsidiary of Brembo. Sometimes you've gotta dig a little deeper aye....
Cool bike. The sound gives me CB500 vibes and throws be back in time. 😄 And just like you I appreciate the unique looks. But I wish the bike would have a little bit more power. Maybe around 80-90 HP? 60 HP is a bit outdated nowerdays imho...
My buddy (who is learning) has an earlier version of this bike. I would say it is an average bike for a fairly cheap price and not bad to learn on. He is 6'4 and finding bikes that fit him with the license restrictions in Australia makes it a reasonable choice.
Very informative video, I think CFmoto needs to take a page out of Kia/Hyundai playbook and offer an insane warranty to kinda smooth out potential reliability issues. That might help the resale value aspect as well.
Your right but I also just need time. A long time warranty does not matter if they pull out of the US market in 2 years. I'm ok with Kia/Hyundai, but I also have been around them for 20+ years
I don't think they will. They're going more of the Royal Enfield route of selling bikes because they're cheap. Unlike Royal Enfield, they load them up with all kinds of tech. I think Royal Enfield is more committed, just looking at their race programs and other neat marketing displays (like riding to a pole.) I'd be more interested in CFmoto if they stopped undercutting established brands with knock offs and did something more original.
@@Dave-sw2dm Every dealer in my neighborhood is selling and supporting them, and they are actually in stock vs "in transit" or "pre-order for January" on the other brands right now.
This will have weird wear and tear ... Japanese bikes are already made in cheap markets, so what did they cut to make the same motorcycle? .... we all know it’s gonna be quality
Have to agree. Here in UK you'd only be saving just over £1,200 (about $1,400 at the current exchange rate) compared to the Kawasaki Versys 650. I've done 28,000 trouble free miles on my Versys in the last 3 years and would say a used Versys would be better quality and value for money.
It deppends of how the unit goes with the time,no matter the brand,my friend blew up a ninja 650 2021 going 5000rpm chill,and I have that cf650mt with 20000km and none problems,revving the shit out of It and like the first day,they only cut on some plastics,brake,electric brands etc(but still very good brands)
While I do agree that the Japanese offerings are likely more reliable I’m always in favor of new players on the market. With no competition manufacturers get lazy. Plus the Chinese are plenty capable of manufacturing quality products if they put their mind to it. We tend to forget that China is no longer what it was 20-30 years ago. It’s more advanced than most western nations in some aspects. Will I still ride my Japanese bikes? Oh yeah. But I wouldn’t condemn CFMoto right off the bat, everyone deserves a chance… and to be honest their 700 CLX looks more fresh than anything else for that money. Time will tell, I’d love to track their progression as a brand.
I test rode one of these, or, well, a european equivalent the CF Moto 650 MT, for a couple of days. I basically agree with everything Zach said. It's not as good as a Versys (or other Japanese bikes I've owned or test ridden). But it is cheaper. I would also buy a used Japanese bike over this or save up. But I definately understand that it's a lot cheaper and comes with a warranty. And if you're the type for whom a warranty is important, then there you go. The "Will China be the next Japan" -question is interesting. I think we should ask "Does China want to be the next Japan?" I mean, is that what they're striving for - to build better, higher quality, more reliable bikes than everyone else on the market and sort of "take over"? Or is this in fact what they're aiming for already: Bikes that are similar, a little worse, but quite a lot cheaper? I don't know. I do believe the market is always ready for someone to build something better and sell it for cheaper or the same price. Why not? So my question is, will the chinese do it?
CFMoto actually makes stuff for Kawasaki and KTM, or rather, current KTM design house is designing for CFMoto and Kawasaki has a deal with CFMoto for production
@@mrvwbug4423 Yeah, it's not really a question of 'if' your motorcycles speedo is optimistic, it's 'by how much.' I often wonder also about the guys who change their gearing and "The bike is sooo much faster now." Is it that much faster? Or are they forgetting that the speedo now reads 60mph at 50mph. Hmmm.
It CAN, but its not a good indicator. If you're wondering, go on a highway with mile markers and try it out for yourself. My SV650 has a speedo that is 10% optimistic, but the actual trip meter and odo are within a percent. My dad's first gen R1 has a 5% optimistic speedo and odo.
I bought a Chinese Dong Fang DF250-RTT last Saturday to get me started in the world of motorcycles. With the bike being as to repair and maintain it will be a base line to learn from. I have noticed something quite funny. On the registration the bike is called a "Dong", and seeing as the bike is White. I always joke with people on how i'm riding around with the 300lb White Dong between my legs. Just a childish chuckle. Please note, don't take anything from China down trails, they do break very easily.
I bought a hawk 250 recently and it’s actually not bad on trails but despite the name it doesn’t like to fly or more specifically land. A not quite waist high jump at around 40 MPH resulted in a broken tail light housing and a bent foot peg and I’m amazed that’s all that happened. Needless to say it no longer leaves the ground.
I have the previous model of this bike in Australia. The ride modes are decorative. Mine has 'sports' and 'touring', no change to the old style lcd dash, but a push button in/out to switch and a display of sports/touring. Absolutely no difference at all.
I bought a cfmoto 700 clx sport this year. And it's been a blast for me. I felt it's a better bike than my old ninja 650R on every aspects, but still have the familiar kawaii 650 engine feel. I'm looking forward to seeing your test and thoughts on this bike.
@@Mano__Tony it's great. Still loving it every bit. It had some issue with the ABS that manufacturer quickly did a recall on it (dealer updated software). Other than that, everything was good. I just took it to a skilled rider course at my local Harley dealer where I took my MSF course before. This bike made those practice super easy, comparing to the street 500 we were learned on last time. Like the figure 8 u-turn box, I had a hard time to keep it in the 24ft box with the street 500 (which is -0 point for licensure exam on a 500+cc bike), but I was able to even do it inside the 20ft box with 700 sport, which that little box was designed for smaller under 500cc bikes. And everyone in class admired it after seeing my performance on it, despite mine being the cheapest in class (there're a triumph rocket 3 and a MT-07 in the small class). The dude on Mt-07 was closest to my slow speed performance, and rocket is closest to my cornering speed, but both are not getting close to it at all. I did scraped my boot once on the peanut shaped course practice after pushing it a bit hard. And that's the only time I thought the foot pegs could be a little more up and back. However, the riding triangle is very comfortable on road, so nothing to complaint there.
@@Mano__Tony however, I do feel the brembo stylema brakes and pirelli tires (both are same as what Ducati panigale v4s uses) are an overkill for this bike, lol.
Don't forget that used, nearly new motorcycles from reputable brands can be had for the price of this and lower. CF need time to prove their quality. But I'm hopeful competition like this will help slow down the price move upmarket from the established brands.
Yeah but where I live you can’t trust the used market, here they trash the bikes a lot and also you find very old bikes at the prices of cfmoto with lots of km/miles, a 2001 SV650 goes at 3000€ while my Cfmoto 300nk was 4000€ new, I know different engines but I felt safer this way.
CFMoto has been in non-US markets for several years and have a pretty good reputation. I'm hoping that they force the big 4 to start putting cruise control on their bikes. I really don't want to buy a bike without it anymore but the cost from anyone else of a bike with it is almost double.
Daily Rider diversity across the spectrum of the motorcycle industry is really appreciated here. This mark seems to me to be similar to Royal Enfield coming from a different direction. Thanks for the honest and ernest review!
Not really. Royal Enfield came to India as a partnership (with Madras Motors), and the initial 'Indian' Royal Enfields were assembled kits. Later, the bikes were manufactured under license, with tooling equipment purchased from Royal Enfield. As far as I know, the CFMOTO bikes are 'home-grown' in Hangzhou, China,
I really want to know whether or not CF is spam paying influencers to market for them. They're not looked upon well in china, and honestly there''s better brands if you want CN bikes. For whatever reason different channels only keep looking at CF.
Most of the motorcycle manufacturers provide loaner bikes, out right free bikes, all expenses paid trips to all the youtube bike vloggers. Clearly CFMOTO is also handing out the freebees to get people to review their bikes. Yammie Noob comes to mind for recent reviews of these bikes.
Other Japanese cruiser bikes have been waiting for their spotlight on Revzilla. Also, thank god a big moto channel finally posted something about CFMOTO. They have an 800cc touring bike that starts at 10,000 USD where im from. The fact that CFMOTO reportedly use KTM and Kawasaki engines, since they apparently produce them is the main selling point coupled with the prices
I just finally test road this motorcycle. I found it to be laggy on the throttle in most gears, not sure if the map has not been updated. It was not smooth. The windshield was useless in that I got a face full of wind, even with it all the way up. If felt as if there was no windshield. I am 6ft 1in. I wear polarized sunglasses and I could not see the dash screen at all, it was completely black, which is a huge problem. I would have to lower my sunglasses and peek over to see my speed. Funny thing is the 800 IBEX I could see the dash with my sunglasses on.
I would like to see some benelli's on the daily rider leaderboard. Maybe start with the TNT 135. If anyone else would like to see that, please feel free to give this comment a thumbs up.
This bike sounds exactly like it's the more street biased version of the Moto Morini X-Cape 650. Aside from the front wheel size the specs seem nearly identical
I have an Aprilia Tuono 660 but I've been starting to think about this as more a commuter for work with the bags on the back so I can bring my work lunches, drinks, and equipment. The Aprilia would be more my fun bike. I thought about the CFMoto sportbike but I'm not sure my wrists want to go back to a sportbike.
Basically a cheaper KTM ... silent partner, per se ... by $3K vs. the Kawi Versys. Oh yeah, sold. Would love to see a review of the CFMoto 800 ADV model.
Read our comparison of the CFMoto 650 ADVentura, Versys 650, & the Tiger 660 on Common Tread! rvz.la/3RbN3Bt
Tires running bald? Check out Michelin for some new rubber! rvz.la/3R3jfHj
go check out the cf moto 800 adventure / 800 MT it uses the KTM 790 engine and its built in the KTM china factory but for a super cheap price and it has cruise control and tire pressure monitors and heated grips and seat and crash bars and soo much more for way less then a big KTM adv or africa twin
@@travisj2370 meh it’ll last a fraction of the time… crap
Are we going to see a 2022 versys 650 video?
Διάβασα το συγκριτικό μεταξύ των μοτοσικλετών που αναφέρεις. Απλά είσαι άδικος με το Cf moto. Όσο αφορά την ανάρτηση. Τα άλλα δύο έχουν μόνο προφόρτιση ελατηρίου πίσω κάτι που τα κάνει λιγότερο ρυθμίσιμα από το cf moto. Το cf moto έχει και ρύθμιση επαναφοράς (η βιολετή βίδα) κάτι που είχαν τα πρώτα Versys 650 και κατέργησαν απλά βάζοντας ένα πιο φθηνό αμορτισέρ. Μιας και έχω την Cf moto 650 mt f3 euro 5 2021, είναι πιο σπορ και πιο άνετη και σε ταξίδι με δύο άτομα από τον βασιλιά της κατηγορίας v strom 650 που είχα από το 2008. Η απόδειξη είναι η σύζυγος που δεν μου ζητάει κάθε 100 χιλιόμετρα να κάνουμε στάση. Με σεβασμό στις γνώσεις σου.
A few things I forgot to say in the video!:
- 2 year warranty
- Backlit switches!
- USB port in the cockpit
- No remote preload adjuster on the shock
Thanks for watching, and be sure to read Ari’s article for details on the bike and the competition.
Hope to see more CFMoto daily rides
these reviews suck, you need to change the format and hire a camera man/crew
@@109sssss these POV gopro reviews are kind of the thing on youtube.
@@109sssss Ha! Lol. That's funny... You are kidding, right? Oh! Your not! Ok. Whooosh...
@@109sssss They have that on the channel too if you want.
I appreciate the unbiased reviews that Zach, Ari and the rest of you guys do; it's nice to see someone not beholden to the manufacturers doing straight-up honest reviews.
Hardly unbiased due to his love to Versus
@@M8D4funthis does just seem like a worse Versys, which is unfortunate because the 450SS separates itself enough to make it feel unique to the Ninja 400/500 imo.
If someone was crosshopping these two, I can't understand why they'd get the 650 Adventura unless it happens to be way cheaper
My bmw 850gs mounted friend said to me "I will never buy a Chinese bike,ever", he almost have a heart attack when I said the bmw 850 engine is made in china!
Dont get a heart attack. HD builds in Thailand …
Big difference between buying a German bike assembled in China and buying a bike from a Chinese company. BMW sets their own production standards, does their own engineering, r&d, quality assurance, inspections, etc. That's why they are expensive.
China reverse engineers, buys, or outright steals engine and chassis designs from other companies. They can't fix problems or refine anything if they don't know how the design came to be what it is.
@@lovelessissimo the bmw 850 is not assembled in China, the engine only is made in china!
@@12masterr same principle applies. BMW quality control is in place at the facility.
@@Mad-Mo only in foreign markets though
Congrats on 50 Daily Rider videos, Zack and team! 🙌 Here's to 650 more! 😜
Thank you for more variety! I've been asking for that.
I'm not in the market for a new bike but I still watch everyone of these vids Zac. Very well done always.
Finally a video about the CFMoto 650MT (or ADVentura) 😁 I've used it for a while now and I'm happy I got it.
Awesome vid Zach, I would really appreciate a quick rundown on headlight performance. For myself and many others, half our commute is in the dark so that would be a great addition to this awesome series!
headlight performance? oh please!
It’s Chinese, stay away
Thanks Zach. Awesome review.
YYEEEEAAAHHHHH. They have the NA headquarters here in MN and I see the 700 series so more often than you’d think.
would love to see a daily rider review for all sizes of cfmotos motorcycle line up! The 300nk looks like a fun lil bike that can do super light highway riding but really want to see a real deep dive review like this on it.
Where does the adventure gain its weight over the versys, do the engines share internal geometry, is there any parts compatibility? I'm just curious if I could shave weight from the cfmoto. I'm also curious if I could go to a Kawasaki dealer and order versus parts for maintenance.
Well done zack another Interesting daily rider !!
I'm happy to see you giving the CFMOTO some play. I have a 2022 CXL 700 Sport and an impressed thus far. Good bike nice price, great warranty.
Good beginner bike?
I just bought the 650 ADVentura. I was about to pull the trigget on the CXL 700. then I walked in the back of the showroom and saw this one. So far, I love it. smooth ride, I ride a BMW RT1250 for work... and besides the name (and the obvious other 650 CC's) im just as comfortable on the CFMoto as I am my work BMW... it's great!
Thanks man for the review was waiting of this is a good bike or not
The navigation directions showing the distance to the turn in inches is mind bogglingly weird
It really made me lol. I always think of computers as cold logical things so it catches me off gard when software does something silly
That's a developer somewhere who has never used a NAV not set to metric.
Maybe because they forget to implements "feet/foot" 🤣
5 yr warranty from our local dealer, I'll give it a try
I test rode it back to back with a Tiger 660, Versys 650 and VStrom 650 and came back pretty impressed with the fit and finish and general quality of the equipment. I have to agree though, that in terms of feel, it felt very similar to the Versys 650. It's probably going to be liked a lot by people who wanted a better dash and a newer look on the Versys 650. My personal favorite among the 4 is the VStrom 650 tbh.
That bike isn't perfect but still is much better than driving a car to work every day! 😊
I stopped last week and checked these out at our local dealer. Good looking bikes. But they had street tires on the Adventura and block tread 30/70 tires on the pure street bikes. Salesman wondered about that too. Time will tell.
Will you be doing the 800 too? I’m super keen to pick one up in the next year.
Thank you for a honest review!
The question for me is, is the CFmoto worth buying against a bike from ~2012? as that's how much a suzuki/honda/kawasaki second hand costs to buy and service.
thx!
I hear a lot about the 2022 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro and I would love to know how it is for a daily rider and where it stacks up with the others you have on the board.
I am interested on your thoughts about the CFMOTO 800 ADVentura T thats being released in the states. Is it more of the same comments, observation from the 650 ADVentura? Is the bang for the buck worth it for the 800 or stick with a Versys or V-Strom?
How many clicks for fork and rear shock rebound should I add or remove for a 260lb 6’2” rider?
I am dying to know how will the benelli trk 702c and X rank on your daily rider board
Zach how you compare this bike to the Trk 502? Very limited options of new ADVs in pakistan, only other option are the Motorrad bikes which cost north of 45-000-50,000$ for the 850 and 1250s.
It’s one of those things, that with some mapping and suspension work it would be pretty good for the money .
"I don´t know why were going so fast" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you killed me
I was wondering how this bike compares to the lets say the used bike market, is buying a new cf moto 650 worth it compared to a used bike wich will be considerably older etc. ?
From what I got from the video, this is basically a 1st gen Versys 650, for a 1st gen Versys 650 price. As someone who owns a 2009 Versys 650, this really does sound like a comparison of the 1st gen vs the 3rd/4th gen, except for the display, the 1st and 2nd gen V650 have literally the best non-TFT displays in existence, they get the analog tach, digital speedo, fuel gauge, easy to read, easy to use, formula down pat.
Yes you are correct. The CF Moto 650 used the same/similar engine basis as first gen kawasaki 650. I can really tell how similar the engine looks are.
Hey Zac and Daily Rider team, could you also provide metric torque number in Nm. That would be great!
I like that aquarium thing on the right handlebar
Will you be testing the Cfmoto 450 SS when it comes out?
Hi Zach, can you make a review about the CFmoto 700mt, Thanks.
Hope you guys do mt800 review seems realy great bike for the money
Can you change the tachometer color from black to white? It looks really dark.
Does the US get the CFmoto 800MT models (with the KTM 790 motor)? That would be an interesting bike in the Daily Rider comparison.
Just got one today same color love it
Hey, do you still like the bike? I'm thinking of buying one
Great Video! 👍😀
But the suspension is adjustable, did you try that?
I have the CFmoto 1280-2 TR-G here in Beijing, you should do a review about this motorcycle. It is amazing !!!
Hi Zac, thanks for reviewing the CF moto. This bike caught my eyes a week ago and couldn't figure out what brand it is as I had never heard of it. Your video just came on time. One question though on the Daily Rider board. Why is BMW s1000rr even there? It has been working just as a benchmark for the worst bike. Given that it is not a dedicated commute bike, I struggle to understand why it is there on the board, anyway. As an owner of S1000rr approching my 50's with not perfect knee and back health, it is pretty comfortable bike for a 100 km trip. Thanks
Can you change the tachometer color from black to white? It looks hard to read for daytime.
Ok I Need A SnowBeast Bike Because I Cant Get A Car Rn And Its Gonna Be Cold Af Soon. I've Been Thinking 390Adv KTM. Or CFMoto Adventura 650. Both Hitton for 6,799 USD. What Yall Think?
It weighs as much as the Moto Guzzi V85TT Travel that you panned. And the Goose has 6 gallons of gas and more capability by all appearances. It is cheaper though, right?
Them mirrors are adjustable, slide that sleeve down and tighten the bolt.
The versus is a 4 v per cylinder head. Does Adventura have 4v per cylinder head?
What tuning software can be used on it?
What does the lowest button on the left grip that you push after every gear change do?
Looks like he is pressing the indicator cancel button. A good habit to have to prevent riding along with your indicator on
Are you planning or have you done a review on Cfmoto ibex 800t? Not seeing anything, thank you
The 2023 has rebound adjustment front, and rebound/preload rear. The tires are Pirelli Angel GTs, and the forks and shock are KYB units. The US warranty is two years.This bike is clearly a work in progress, but the company seems to be paying attention. With the suspension adjusted and a change of tires, the 2023 bike should be able to handle some light duty off-road riding just fine.
what is your left thumb playing with ?
Nice bike, will to do the review of the new 2022 honda cb500x maybe!? ✌️
Rode one for a little bit and decided it's perfect for someone who hasn't ridden anything nicer. It will absolutely draw people in with the features and unless they're already a veteran rider with a wide portfolio of bike experience. The thing this bike doesn't do as well as the competition (balance, roughness, chassis stiffness) is not going to be immediately apparent to someone who hasn't experienced something better.
Hats off to making a solid bike for cheap.
I come from an Aprilia Shiver and love my Adventure. The Shiver I can't drive to the limits, the Adventura I can. It's much more comfortable, not as loud and easier to use for short vacations.
There's quite a bit of reviewers that disagree with you. Cotw apparently bought one in his arsenal. Owner of GS and other pretty damn solid choices.
Since the engine is pretty much a copy of the Kawasaki 650, I can only assume that it's the fuel mapping that makes it feel different.
@@mickstafford456 to my understanding its KTM engine. Not Kawasaki.
@@jothain Styling is by the same styling house as KTM. The 650 engine is a copy of the Kawasaki 650. Bore and stroke are the same. Even the rear suspension is modelled on the ER6.
I bought my 2022 very cheap. I was only able to put 300 miles on it before winter. So far, I really like it. It seems to be well built. Time will tell.
I just bought a new 2022 yesterday, all In after the loans paid off I'll be out 5700 including taxes and registration, 4700 if I pay it off in 6 months(zero apr for 6 months),
Granted this was a bike stuck on the floor for 2 years and the dealer wanted it gone, and it had a few miles on it(41) from a few test rides
It is a great bike at that price. I paid $5000 out the door for mine with 6 miles. I really like the bike so far.
What kind of vehicle is on the left under the tarp @ 10:52 ?
I love the in-depth reviews you provide. I have watched dozens of them. I am currently on a 2000 Honda Valkyrie. As an older rider, I am considering a transition to three wheels. I would be interested in your opinion / review of a Can Am Ryker 600, or a Piaggio MPE500 Scooter to gain a little on MPG and stability. Thanks again for the great content. I am a new subscriber!
3 wheels is an inherently unstable platform
P.S. the KTM-esque design is because Kiska, KTM's in-house design agency also does CFMoto's design.
True, somewhere in Minnesota.
I would like to see the CFMoto 700 on Daily Rider as well... :)
Guy I know got the sport bike 700 CF makes, and it's honestly a handsome bike. My assessment of that vs the mt07 is about same as this vs the kawasaki 650, the cf's aren't as good, but they are a good option for what dollars vs what you get. Are the existing brand bikes better? Yes, absolutely, but are they the price difference better? That's a harder question to answer, depending on what really matters to you. Buddy with the 700 is looking at it as a starter sport bike, and wants to step up to an entry level Ducati in another year.
I think if you sell your bike should factor in two. I pay more for Honda but when I go to sell it I get about the same amount as I put in. But I have a feeling if I buy a cf im going to loose a lot of value when I go to get another bike.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 Agree 100%, resale should come into it a lot of you are using it as a stepping stone to something else.
In America there are way too many low mileage used good motorcycle to be messing with a bargain bin bike... and speaking of bargain bin bikes how does 80mph on the absolutely cheapest swing arm sound? How about the cheapest steel frame or brake rotors ?
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 The thing is, on these bikes they aren't the cheapest swingarms and brake components. There is no reason a part put of China can't be just as good as a part out of Japan or Germany or another country of origin you wouldn't think twice about. Everyone does look down on Chinese parts because they are usually built down to a price, specifically for the purpose of undercutting what else is there for the sake of gaining market share, but when they actually want to make a good part as opposed to a cheap part, they are capable. Hell, CF makes the engines for most lower trim ktms and no one thinks twice about those.
@@rotorhead5000 your onto it, they have Spanish J Juan brakes on them too which is now a subsidiary of Brembo. Sometimes you've gotta dig a little deeper aye....
Cool bike. The sound gives me CB500 vibes and throws be back in time. 😄 And just like you I appreciate the unique looks.
But I wish the bike would have a little bit more power. Maybe around 80-90 HP? 60 HP is a bit outdated nowerdays imho...
Would love to see Zack check out the 700 CLX.
Parts bin bike at best. OK if you need that new warranty feeling?
My buddy (who is learning) has an earlier version of this bike. I would say it is an average bike for a fairly cheap price and not bad to learn on. He is 6'4 and finding bikes that fit him with the license restrictions in Australia makes it a reasonable choice.
Take the little block out that stops the throttle opening fully, the bike really opens up under WOT then
@@chrispekel5709 took the restrictor (?) off my 2017 650MT and it sure helped👍
Very informative video, I think CFmoto needs to take a page out of Kia/Hyundai playbook and offer an insane warranty to kinda smooth out potential reliability issues. That might help the resale value aspect as well.
Your right but I also just need time. A long time warranty does not matter if they pull out of the US market in 2 years. I'm ok with Kia/Hyundai, but I also have been around them for 20+ years
I don't think they will. They're going more of the Royal Enfield route of selling bikes because they're cheap. Unlike Royal Enfield, they load them up with all kinds of tech.
I think Royal Enfield is more committed, just looking at their race programs and other neat marketing displays (like riding to a pole.)
I'd be more interested in CFmoto if they stopped undercutting established brands with knock offs and did something more original.
@@Dave-sw2dm and to it’s no Kawasaki
@@Dave-sw2dm Every dealer in my neighborhood is selling and supporting them, and they are actually in stock vs "in transit" or "pre-order for January" on the other brands right now.
Hahahaha - they won’t because they know how they save costs on making the same motorcycle... I will give you a clue: quality.
Aaaaaugh Sooooo! I’ll stick with the Japanese and other reliable and established motorcycle and scooter manufacturers. Great video.
If i bought this id always think about how good the Japanese bikes are for a little more money...
This will have weird wear and tear ... Japanese bikes are already made in cheap markets, so what did they cut to make the same motorcycle? .... we all know it’s gonna be quality
Have to agree. Here in UK you'd only be saving just over £1,200 (about $1,400 at the current exchange rate) compared to the Kawasaki Versys 650. I've done 28,000 trouble free miles on my Versys in the last 3 years and would say a used Versys would be better quality and value for money.
It deppends of how the unit goes with the time,no matter the brand,my friend blew up a ninja 650 2021 going 5000rpm chill,and I have that cf650mt with 20000km and none problems,revving the shit out of It and like the first day,they only cut on some plastics,brake,electric brands etc(but still very good brands)
While I do agree that the Japanese offerings are likely more reliable I’m always in favor of new players on the market.
With no competition manufacturers get lazy. Plus the Chinese are plenty capable of manufacturing quality products if they put their mind to it. We tend to forget that China is no longer what it was 20-30 years ago. It’s more advanced than most western nations in some aspects.
Will I still ride my Japanese bikes? Oh yeah. But I wouldn’t condemn CFMoto right off the bat, everyone deserves a chance… and to be honest their 700 CLX looks more fresh than anything else for that money. Time will tell, I’d love to track their progression as a brand.
I test rode one of these, or, well, a european equivalent the CF Moto 650 MT, for a couple of days. I basically agree with everything Zach said. It's not as good as a Versys (or other Japanese bikes I've owned or test ridden). But it is cheaper. I would also buy a used Japanese bike over this or save up. But I definately understand that it's a lot cheaper and comes with a warranty. And if you're the type for whom a warranty is important, then there you go.
The "Will China be the next Japan" -question is interesting. I think we should ask "Does China want to be the next Japan?" I mean, is that what they're striving for - to build better, higher quality, more reliable bikes than everyone else on the market and sort of "take over"? Or is this in fact what they're aiming for already: Bikes that are similar, a little worse, but quite a lot cheaper? I don't know. I do believe the market is always ready for someone to build something better and sell it for cheaper or the same price. Why not? So my question is, will the chinese do it?
If you buy a Japanese bike, you probably won't need a warranty.
Say I found a 2023 new at a dealership for $4k. Worth it at that price?
CFMOTO: Can i copy your homework?
Kawasaki: Sure but change it up a bit
CFMOTO:
It's funny because that's what Kawasaki has been doing for decades 😂
Hold on, CFMoto asked?!!!
CFMoto actually makes stuff for Kawasaki and KTM, or rather, current KTM design house is designing for CFMoto and Kawasaki has a deal with CFMoto for production
Awesome sponsor!!!! Definitely my favorite Tyre brand.
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@@anthonysilvestri4946 tire for US. Tyre for UK. Your both not wrong though 😅
@@faizrasid713 I know - I was just busting his balls! LOL
@@anthonysilvestri4946 i also know that. Just busting yours too. Kidding 🤣🤣🤣
Come on, Anthony. Find some culture. The world is a large and diverse stomping ground. 🤣@@anthonysilvestri4946
Do you think the Speedo being off could be affecting the computers version of mpg?
Probably, also motorcycle speedometers reading a little fast is VERY common. The Versys 650 itself is notorious for it.
@@mrvwbug4423 Yeah, it's not really a question of 'if' your motorcycles speedo is optimistic, it's 'by how much.' I often wonder also about the guys who change their gearing and "The bike is sooo much faster now." Is it that much faster? Or are they forgetting that the speedo now reads 60mph at 50mph. Hmmm.
It CAN, but its not a good indicator. If you're wondering, go on a highway with mile markers and try it out for yourself. My SV650 has a speedo that is 10% optimistic, but the actual trip meter and odo are within a percent. My dad's first gen R1 has a 5% optimistic speedo and odo.
Sounds better than I expected
you gotta check out the CFMoto 800MT.
It's CFMoto's ADV bike, not sure what's it called in US though, or if even exist there. Nice looking bike.
I have no choice on my phone.....but I don't mind paying a little extra for proven Japanese quality.
I bought a Chinese Dong Fang DF250-RTT last Saturday to get me started in the world of motorcycles. With the bike being as to repair and maintain it will be a base line to learn from. I have noticed something quite funny. On the registration the bike is called a "Dong", and seeing as the bike is White. I always joke with people on how i'm riding around with the 300lb White Dong between my legs.
Just a childish chuckle.
Please note, don't take anything from China down trails, they do break very easily.
hahahaha nice Dong ya got
As a person with a juvenile sense of humor, I applaud this.
I bought a hawk 250 recently and it’s actually not bad on trails but despite the name it doesn’t like to fly or more specifically land. A not quite waist high jump at around 40 MPH resulted in a broken tail light housing and a bent foot peg and I’m amazed that’s all that happened. Needless to say it no longer leaves the ground.
@@sssss8700 Yeah, the Dong Fang bikes will get you around....just never jump with them.
"Hey,what do you ride?"
"I ride a Dong"
"What?"
"Its big and white,it feels good to ride but it vibrates when i go over 70"
"WHAT?"
I have the previous model of this bike in Australia. The ride modes are decorative. Mine has 'sports' and 'touring', no change to the old style lcd dash, but a push button in/out to switch and a display of sports/touring. Absolutely no difference at all.
Used Versys all day. I bet it's easier to get parts as well.
All week and twice on a Sunday. If I wanted to wonder if I was gonna make it where I was going I would ride Italian and at least look good.
💁🏼♂️ All Day,...
🕺(and All Night long, too) !
🌃🏍️💨
Kawasaki Versys 650
When I look at the Adventura I kind of see a mini Motus. Minus the transverse heads popping out lol.
Just picked up a new 2023 650 for 4k in Arizona end of year sale.
I bought a cfmoto 700 clx sport this year. And it's been a blast for me. I felt it's a better bike than my old ninja 650R on every aspects, but still have the familiar kawaii 650 engine feel. I'm looking forward to seeing your test and thoughts on this bike.
Hey how is the bike? I'm thinking in buy one .
@@Mano__Tony it's great. Still loving it every bit. It had some issue with the ABS that manufacturer quickly did a recall on it (dealer updated software). Other than that, everything was good.
I just took it to a skilled rider course at my local Harley dealer where I took my MSF course before. This bike made those practice super easy, comparing to the street 500 we were learned on last time. Like the figure 8 u-turn box, I had a hard time to keep it in the 24ft box with the street 500 (which is -0 point for licensure exam on a 500+cc bike), but I was able to even do it inside the 20ft box with 700 sport, which that little box was designed for smaller under 500cc bikes. And everyone in class admired it after seeing my performance on it, despite mine being the cheapest in class (there're a triumph rocket 3 and a MT-07 in the small class). The dude on Mt-07 was closest to my slow speed performance, and rocket is closest to my cornering speed, but both are not getting close to it at all. I did scraped my boot once on the peanut shaped course practice after pushing it a bit hard. And that's the only time I thought the foot pegs could be a little more up and back. However, the riding triangle is very comfortable on road, so nothing to complaint there.
@@Mano__Tony however, I do feel the brembo stylema brakes and pirelli tires (both are same as what Ducati panigale v4s uses) are an overkill for this bike, lol.
@@Mano__Tony buy it, you won't regret.
It sounds like it needs to be some fine tuning to be better close but not quite there
Wow, was that Nav showing inch units while you were on the dirt? Oh, spoke too soon, you pointed it out near the end.
Would like to see a review of the Ducati DesertX
Don't forget that used, nearly new motorcycles from reputable brands can be had for the price of this and lower. CF need time to prove their quality. But I'm hopeful competition like this will help slow down the price move upmarket from the established brands.
Yeah but where I live you can’t trust the used market, here they trash the bikes a lot and also you find very old bikes at the prices of cfmoto with lots of km/miles, a 2001 SV650 goes at 3000€ while my Cfmoto 300nk was 4000€ new, I know different engines but I felt safer this way.
CFMoto has been in non-US markets for several years and have a pretty good reputation. I'm hoping that they force the big 4 to start putting cruise control on their bikes. I really don't want to buy a bike without it anymore but the cost from anyone else of a bike with it is almost double.
21:02 The on-screen nav goes from tenths of a mile to INCHES??
that’s my jacket…. Glad you like it…
Is it as good as a Verseys 650? Those questions were answered 10 years ago.
I’m trying to buy less chicom stuff…. But thanks for the video.
THANK YOU FOR CARING ABOUT THE FUTURE
100%. Don’t feed the communist beast.
Daily Rider diversity across the spectrum of the motorcycle industry is really appreciated here. This mark seems to me to be similar to Royal Enfield coming from a different direction. Thanks for the honest and ernest review!
Not really. Royal Enfield came to India as a partnership (with Madras Motors), and the initial 'Indian' Royal Enfields were assembled kits. Later, the bikes were manufactured under license, with tooling equipment purchased from Royal Enfield. As far as I know, the CFMOTO bikes are 'home-grown' in Hangzhou, China,
I really want to know whether or not CF is spam paying influencers to market for them. They're not looked upon well in china, and honestly there''s better brands if you want CN bikes. For whatever reason different channels only keep looking at CF.
Most of the motorcycle manufacturers provide loaner bikes, out right free bikes, all expenses paid trips to all the youtube bike vloggers. Clearly CFMOTO is also handing out the freebees to get people to review their bikes. Yammie Noob comes to mind for recent reviews of these bikes.
Giggle Score...great idea, please include the Giggle Score on the Daily Rider Leader Board for all the bikes you test in the future. Thank You
Other Japanese cruiser bikes have been waiting for their spotlight on Revzilla.
Also, thank god a big moto channel finally posted something about CFMOTO. They have an 800cc touring bike that starts at 10,000 USD where im from. The fact that CFMOTO reportedly use KTM and Kawasaki engines, since they apparently produce them is the main selling point coupled with the prices
I'm not worried about the engine so much as everything else around it. the dash on my Chinese bike died before 2k miles for example.
I just finally test road this motorcycle. I found it to be laggy on the throttle in most gears, not sure if the map has not been updated. It was not smooth. The windshield was useless in that I got a face full of wind, even with it all the way up. If felt as if there was no windshield. I am 6ft 1in. I wear polarized sunglasses and I could not see the dash screen at all, it was completely black, which is a huge problem. I would have to lower my sunglasses and peek over to see my speed. Funny thing is the 800 IBEX I could see the dash with my sunglasses on.
I would like to see some benelli's on the daily rider leaderboard. Maybe start with the TNT 135. If anyone else would like to see that, please feel free to give this comment a thumbs up.
This bike sounds exactly like it's the more street biased version of the Moto Morini X-Cape 650. Aside from the front wheel size the specs seem nearly identical
I have an Aprilia Tuono 660 but I've been starting to think about this as more a commuter for work with the bags on the back so I can bring my work lunches, drinks, and equipment. The Aprilia would be more my fun bike. I thought about the CFMoto sportbike but I'm not sure my wrists want to go back to a sportbike.
Basically a cheaper KTM ... silent partner, per se ... by $3K vs. the Kawi Versys. Oh yeah, sold. Would love to see a review of the CFMoto 800 ADV model.