Podcast #2 Americas Cup Now Vs Then
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Dennis Conner gives his thoughts on how The Americas cup competition has changed. "The old Americas Cup was different" #americascup #barcelona #boat #Barcelonaamericascup #sailingboat #sailing #sailingpassion #starworlds #sailboat #skipper
Hey, Dennis! NZer here - great to see you!
I really miss seeing you out there on the water, with a big smile and a wave for everyone!
I still remember the days of the 12-metre yachts and especially the Cup regatta in Fremantle in 1987 - that was awesome!
Best wishes - cheers!
I concur
You're a legend, you taught us how to become mentally tough back in the day, all the best from New Zealand
Who can forget "Big Bad" Dennis' subtle and not so subtle sledges. What a competitor on and off the water.
It was Dennis who taught us Kiwis, that the fastest boat wins.
Quite an irony Dennis, lol.
Cheers Ak, NZ.
Your Marsupial magistrates just weren't strong enough ... or croked enough 😉
Common Dennis !!!
Who first put a catamaran to race it ???
YOU opened the panda box !
Pandora's box?
The '87 AC was much more enthralling to watch, as the races slowly unfolded.
It's all over much too fast these days.
And also in 87, I admired your courage to put yourself out there again after what must have been a devastating loss in '83.
And you did it, you won the Cup back!
Even though I am an Australian, it was inspiring to see.
Wasnt it Dennis that showed up with a catamaran to sail against a giant real sail boat challenger? So cut the bullshit dennis seems you started this new trend in ac racing ,
Haha well said. The older I am the better I was 😂
Actually you got a point there. Wonder if Dennis will have a chuckle at what you said.
Dennis sailed a cat while we sailed a dog.
How can we forget that Mr Americas Cup, lol.
Exactly what I came here to post ; - Oh how we miss those days of crooked Dennis and his marsupial magistrates.
So true!!!
Even though I agree with what he says here. Nuts yes, is not for him to say it.
Love Denis, on behalf of all kiwis. A greatv man and great sailor
Wow!! #catvsdog
Dennis - so great to see you still ( as the Aussie say) having a crack. You Sir , I stand in awe - I am an Aussie - and some 40+ years ago no one could hold a flame to you. the racing was yacht on yacht. Today - maybe time has left me - read us behind. one thing we can know - we had our chance and we had our time, - now its someone else's time - such is life ultimately. I pray the passage of time has been good to you. you still have a smile on our face - and your still having a "crack" nothing more that you can ask of a man.
But he faced a damn good yacht in the past but opted for a catamaran, with backing from his local Marsupial magistrates of course!!
Not a person to champion by any standards IMHO.
Oh and it's spelled 'craic' 🙂
The International Metre Rule was introduced in 1907. So this rule was 80 years old by the time of the 26th America's Cup in Freemantle. I love technology and just as I don't want to be driving a Model T or trying to get around the world in a biplane, so sailing needs to move on to embrace new possibilities and new levels of performance.
I like that the current America's Cup is a young athlete's game & not just a genteel hobby for middle-aged men.
What you say can be true, that we ought to embrace technology and new levels of performance, and yet the fact is, as Dennis notes, these foiling boats are a disaster. Kevlar helmeted helmsmen deep in cockpits up to their eyeballs, crew buried in foxholes, cyclists asphyxiating themselves in carbon fiber Hell Pits, going too fast for there to be any real drama, and the race is over once you drop off the foil. Or enter the start too early (who cares?) It's more video game than real life drama. It's more "let's watch some tank testing trials" than sailing. It's a techno snooze fest.
Plus the Twelves in Freemantle, though the Rule was 80 years old, had brand spanking new keels, new carbon sails with roaches like never before seen, incredible and delicate rigs that the sailors of 1907 could not comprehend. So the idea that the Fremantle 12's were antiquated is really nonsense.
@dap777754 if you honestly think that today's AC is a disaster, just imagine arriving to defend the cup with a catamaran vs a monohull.
Maybe you're too young to remember but just ask Dennis ... and his Marsupial magistrates!!
This racing is a zillion times better than the AC's corrupt and shambolic history IMHO.
@@jamesbong4928 1987 (cat v monohull) was an isolated, one-off event, which I remember quite clearly. Not at all representatives of AC racing since 1958 - which was predictable, fascinating and hugely entertaining for sailors like myself. Today it's the boats themselves that are the disaster. So I am rooting for whatever Nation (probably NYYC) wants to return the competition to sane monohull racing
Mr. Connor. I'm of the same opinion. I loved would to see the crew's on deck. I'm 47 now but I used to go to the library to rent books about the cup when I was 12 years old. Tanks for inspiring me to sail Mr. Connor 🙂
Nice! Thanks for the comment, indeed, it doesn't compare to the old days. And this is how the development looks like. In your days you also not anymore sail in 100 years old America Yacht... technology takes over and pushes the limit.
Dennis was always an interesting dichotomy…. master on the water , not so much off it.
Great to see the legend and reminiscing about the 12m days. I see your frustration with the changes that the AC75 boats have brought. One place I think you could lend real expertise is discussing tactic. Although these boats don't change sails like the 12M do, they still implement a surprising amount of match racing tactics.. covering, ducking, hooking... I don't know enough about standard match racing tactics to recognize them, but I bet you do! I'd appreciae an analysis of the current AC starts and racing where you can spot clever racing strategies still being used that originated 40 years ago. Its not all a drag race. Thanks for your expertise.
Good on you Dennis fantastic to see you online a very warm welcome Hobart Tasmania
I'm probably a dying breed but agree with Dennis and prefer non foiling monohulls. This latest AC series doesn't float my boat.
Mr. Conner, there is nothing you can do to help this year’s AC. It’s tough to watch…boats going upwind all the time. We all miss the glory days when you and the others were out there fighting it out on real sailboats doing real maneuvers.
attempt to define "real". betcha can't
Your a Dinosaur Dennis!
You should know that America's cup is about evolution and design development. It's 2024 now Dennis not 1984 so reminiscing with your old mates is clearly for you now. Foiling cup boats is great to watch. Short races and intense close racing at times. These are skilled sailors and athletes. The money and hype involved is obscene I agree but the action and match racing is there to enjoy. Seat of your pants Dennis! Maybe your watching a different channel from me. The graphics and commentary is fantastic especially from our ex British Olympic sailors. I guess your grumpy also because New Zealand will once again show the Americans how to produce the fastest boat x
Remember to, it was Dennise that opened up all this new technology of boats to the America’s Cup with his 2 Catamarans in 1988. Dennis didn’t complain about boat speed then, but was happy to retain the cup through the courts.
Greeting Dennis, what about challenging your commentary by thinking it is you out there competing as a young man of 20-30 years of age. With your skills and desire to always be at the top of your game, show us how you would take on these new technologies for boats to foil today which really evolved from your time actively contesting the AC.
So a Blend of your call on todays racing and memorable times of the past, stories that need telling….
To this day I remember That race in 1983…
Thanks for being such a competitive yachtie
Thank You, Dennis!!! Really enjoyed it...GO FOR IT!! Your podcast was shared with the regatta group at the Acapulco Yacht Club...Club de Yates de Acapulco!!
I would like to see the America's Cup return to what it was, even return to the 12 Meter boats. It was the '87 cup that made me a big fan. I stayed up and watched the races. The cup today is boring, I miss the strategy, the planning and the boats pounding through the waves. These boats couldn't handle those conditions.
I’m so glad I’ve found this channel. I couldn’t agree more with the feeling of watching today’s AC compared to your time. It’s does not compare, Bring back the old days 🎉
Dennis Conner and Tom Blackaller my heroes. Press Conferences with Dennes and Tom are legendary.
Do you know what I really miss about the America's Cup? The nationality rules. Someone's going to find a way to call me racist for this, but I thought that this was a challenge between nations! I remember rooting for Stars & Stripes, Young America, and America Cubed, but not because of the people onboard, rather I was rooting for my country! I just can't get excited to root for my country anymore when there's an Aussie at the helm. Secondly, nobody beyond myself and old people have the patience to watch a 4-hour race. People can't even watch commercials anymore. I'm the world's biggest fan of the 12s, but I fear their time in the cup is over. Anyway, good to see you kicking around, Mr. Connor. - Jason
Legend!
Foilers are just fine but..The lower wind limit is too low and the course boundaries too narrow( add another 500m or so) ,plus add in a reach leg and make it 7 legs
Ah, the good old days of the economic boom!
If you want more excitement then why not increase the length of the courses, make them narrower and introduce more marks. Thus forcing the boats into more and tighter boat handling. Also if you got rid of wind strength restrictions then the boats would have to be able to compete when off the foils. Lots of possibilities to make the racing more exciting.
Narrower? I'm not sure what that could do, it's already the same staircase route for both teams. I think there might be something to the argument that restricting it to pure windward/leeward courses might have run its course as an idea? Sydney, with Shark Island in the middle there is definitely the most interesting stop on the SailGP calendar, as far as routing. The old triangle course from the DoG might be worth looking at again, maybe shrunk a wee bit from 30 miles.
Yes we need The Masters words. Round up a staff of support 4:24 4:24 4:24 4:24 feeding real time. Bring up close to the skippers voices. Clear not talked over. Comment headers and lifts. Talk to folks that know the sport. Run Vegas Odds.
I’m available for a Senior Finn World Championship 🎉voice support. They say I have a Walter Cronkite digital voice Dennis.
Dennis Conner for president!👍
Back in the day, as I was to learn later in life, He was a Donald Trump senior stick on ; - Marsupial Magistrates & all.
Crooked AF!!
You will win the 6mR Worlds next year. I hope you will. //Lars
Legend - now though you can have four guys cycling and claim to be America's Cup Winners but not be able to win a local Laser race?
Great to see and hear you. A true racing “God”…..
Mr. Connor how do we get the Americas cup to go back to 12 Meter sailboats in the Americas cup. That is true Americas cup. This is not in 2024. This is F1 racing on the water it’s not the same.
DC still in the game, outstanding !
I agree, a sailing race is about the boat, the crew and the spectators.... the SPECTACLE is made manifest by the struggle against Man and Nature.....Not an f-16 whizzing past!
Or Dennis' catamaran for that matter, backed by his very own Marsupial magistrates!!
Today's AC is obviously 100 times better!!
@Denis, I can't think of anything to suggest to make commentary more interesting. The format is just boring, and whilst I marvel at the speeds it doesn't have too many exciting elements. I'm also frustrated with race management dropping legs and handing wins to the leading boat. My hope is that at least the finals have two evenly matched boats. Good luck!
They haven't done that this year. As long as the wind sampling period clears the race to go ahead the only thing they do is move the marks to adjust course length.
Hi
Great Vlog , and you are a great true sailor. I still can not understand the AC-75 - who thought this is sailing.
That is why a sail a Star - a real chance to play the wind shifts and compete with friends.
Keep going might come down and watch the 6-M.
Dennis introduced the twin hull to the America's cup. Single hull racing ended that day.
The ac75 is nothing more than progression if you asked anyone back in the day that cats would someday be literally flying, nobody would've believed you.
Hell man i'm seeing it & still don't believe it.
Bring back “ real AC “ sailing… Tks
Hey Dennis, regarding the America’s Cup, I’m not sure what brings it back. Honestly, Match racing between Maxi 100s or TP 52s would be more exciting. We need to see a dogfight that’s what match racing is all about.
I'm a kiwi and totally agree the old America's cup events were way better I still watch them Dalton called them old fashion no way
Denis Conner says exactly what I have been thinking for more than 10 years. It's all about technology, computers, etc. These are no longer real sailors, but operators of technology. What does that have to do with the tradition of this Cup? And teamwork, the skill of sailing, no longer plays a role. Regrettable.
I liked the americas cup from years ago better than now
I remember seeing you sail in Auckland I miss spinnakers the new boats are fast but it's not so exciting without tacking duels and when one of those spinnakers split oh the disaster.
Enjoy your golf cart buddy
Support all the messages of support for you Dennis. Great to see you again often wondered how you were getting on. I see the fire still burns. All the best from NZ
Dennis making us great again
Yeah, yeah, the old days . . . zzz
totally agree the races now don't provide or have the same excitement as in the 80s and 90s America's cup racing . I understand that we are moving with the times but it will be nice if we can go back to those good old days . from New Zealand ❤
These days one should just stick a radio control in these big yachts and let the computer work it all out, its nearly at that stage already. Racing is down right boring, no skills of spinnakers, reaches, or runs, just "fetching the marks". Long gone the days of crew skill replaced by cyclists pumping the pedals. Long gone the days of "real match racing". I am sure there is a place for these computerised yachts racing but it isnt the traditional America's Cup, raced with what was called "seaman ship". I watched the old format racing in Auckland in the 2000's , if you got your spinnakers wrong you lost boat lengths, then there were sailing skills. All gone in these robotic machines that scream around the course in less than 30 minutes with no thrill, beauty or anything. And on top they can only sail in about 5 plus knots. Pathetic.
You are so true the boats are fast just a drag race bring back the old boats kept you on the edge of seat
Hey Dennis, call Dolts when you get to Spain. He will take you out on the AC75. You will shit yourself…..
Sailing was so boring in his time 🥱🥱
This foiling AC is not for sailors. There are only a couple sailors on the boat, the rest are cyclist. The racing is boring, the boats are very expensive and there is no trickle down. For too many years we have been trying to reach the non sailors, its not working! Go back to keelboats, that are more like the boats we sail every day and technology can trickle down to us. Most people are sailing boats like Sabre 34's or J/22's or Catalina 30's.... this America's cup might as well be sailed on Mars.
Dennis Conner ! The off the water 💦 loud mouth , unsubstantiated accusations, etc made more about court rooms than sailing!! 😂😂😂
I am over 80 now. Yachted for over 50 years. Gained my Coastal Masters Captaincy. The current boats are like bugs. The foils waving either side look just like cockroaches and there is no lee-o and ducking the boom to spring to topside and all but trapeze weighting the rail. It used to be heart stopping watching those real yachts rounding the mark and then bearing away magically with a kite in full billow. Stay away from Barcelona Dennis and just continue promoting the sport of sailing. N.Z has sold its yachting soul - what a legacy!
It must be hard to see that your spawn has grown up being different than you wanted. I wonder if he ever wonders 'What would have happened if I had built a monohull instead of a cat?' Does this thought creep in when he ponders the great days of AC events when he spent more time in the courts than on the water?
We want miss your lies and cheating.
America's cup is now about technology sportsmanship.
Go back to retirement Dennis.
Its called progress, its a speed
Race denis. My point from
New Zealand, dont be a sook
And wheres my $#@& eggs!
Mr. Connor how do we get the Americas cup to go back to 12 Meter sailboats in the Americas cup. That is true Americas cup. This is not in 2024. This is F1 racing on the water it’s not the same.