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Kaotica Eyeball: Why You Should STOP using them!
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
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00:00 - INTRO
00:12 - How Other Channels Are Tricking YOU
00:23 - TEST1
1:06 - A-B Effect
1:59 - TEST 2
3:45 - Voice Actors DON'T Use The Kaotica Eyeball
5:51 - Recap TEST
6:05 - Why You Shouldn't Use Them
6:56 - What Other Channels Are Doing To Trick YOU
9:13 - Audio Training
Soooounds Soooooo Much Better With Out The Eyeball I've Been Mastering For 5-6 Years Man, Job Well Done Explaining, People won't Understand. You Can Lead a Horse To Water But Can't Make It Drink...
THANK YOU! It's crazy how many people poo on a well treated space. To me it just makes it so obvious who is a hobbyist vs who is a professional.,
whats a better alternative, as i dont have a treated space
@@Stykko777 A PVC booth is much better than an eyeball if you need something that won't cost a ton. Google "Glide Gear SB 150 Portable Vocal Isolation Sound Booth"
Great video but I have to agree and disagree. As an audio engineer and anyone who deals with audio on the regular basis. I would rather deal with a dry signal than a signal full of room noise. I can always EQ audio without adding artifacts. Lastly NEVER be afraid to crank an EQ or any of your tools all the way. you just have to do it as a Parallel Signal and mix it in to taste.
Kudos!
I recently got the ai noise and reverb reduction from waves. Idk… it works but I feel like it can take away some of the sound you want if you use too much
But if I mix something sent in to me, it will be a lifesaver to have
Hell no , I can easily detect the cupped mic, comb filter sound of the eyeball. And it doesn't even make it more dry! Learn how cardioid mics work. Even the bathroom example in this video still has the slap back of bathroom
I just thought the same thing. Proper vocal chain will bring it right out
K, so I truly appreciate this channel. Moved into this cool old house in the woods in Northern Cali, owner was a music producer in the 70s and had the Grateful Dead's sound engineer design the entire lower floor. Got a huge studio, an engineering room and also moveable walls to create a small acoustically treated space as needed. It's pretty dope. Working on a project now that we have everything cleaned up and ready to go, and the info I've gotten from your channel has been so helpful! You deserve more subs than you've got. Don't give up, keep putting these videos out! The algorithm will catch up eventually 😊
That's amazing! Definitely take advantage of that! 😳 thank you so much for all the kind words! 😊 I'll keep plugging away and hopefully it will catch on!
@@JamesYounger it will. Maybe start making "shorts" and post those more frequently to elbow your way into the algorithm. Maybe small 1 min clips with tips on settings, or even just quick explanations that target beginners - explain what EQ is, DeEsser, etc. Things that don't deserve a full video.
@@cassirae5067 Definitely! That's for sure key right now! :) I have a few written I just need to shoot and edit them. I need to have more consistently ready to go though.
@@JamesYounger maybe just sit down one day and scroll through the Effects tab on audition and record audio only of beginner-style explanations of everything you can, then take some cute video of your dog sitting at your work station and have the puppers as the face of your short clips! Then you can just do all the audio in one run and extract what you need for each clip. That way youll have a stockpile of usable audio ready to go and when it comes time to put the video together all you need are screen grabs from audition to go with what you've prerecorded. Cute puppy sound engineers are in short supply these days anyway lol
In your situation and use of your studio, I can see your point.
As a freelance independent producer, my Alctron type eyeball is just another tool I use that works well for certain projects. I use presets that are honed to work with my room treatment, mic and read. Subject matter often is the deciding factor.
Sometimes live and bright doesn’t work with subject matter. Clarity, yes, and great sound dynamics, but to attain a certain feel my Alctron does a fine job.
I can see your point of view though for how you approach your work and I agree with you in that regard.
I just got this thing and just love it. Goes great with my curtains i have hung up.
My observation, as an engineer who has recorded Top 10 hits in a multitude of hotels rooms touring around the world: In critically listening to the Kaotica audio, it's not cutting the high frequency crispiness as it is adding significant low end frequency boost. He compares this to the mic by itself WITHOUT a pop filter. (Pop filters reduce hi freq response also) I think the Kaotica audio eq'ed with a low shelf cut can go a long way to produce highly usable audio. The most significant culprit in recording pop vocals is background room reflections that really come into play when you start compressing vocals to get that "front of the speaker" pop sound in mixing. The Kaotica audio is not perfect, but any engineer with enough experience and confidence to eq the audio according to their "objective ears" and not to "what manuals, books and recommendations" say you "should" do, can use the audio on a major release. What you "should" do is what your trained ears tell you to (with eq). That being said, I do prefer treating the recording space (as I would with comforters, blankets, sofa cushions, etc..) to minimize vocals projected onto bare walls and minimizing this room noise finding its way back to the mic. In a chaotic sounding room, I can see this thing saving the day (with additional room treatment).
Not trying to be mean, but your comment screams "I didn't actually watch the video and just wanted to make a know it all comment"... This video is for voice actors specifically. Not pop vocals or any type of vocals for music. I make that very clear if you had watched the video and really retained the information. The rules for voice actors are VEEERRRYYYY different than for musicians going into a studio to have their vocals recorded (or even home recording) I stand by everything I said in this video because it was for voice actors. I've worked in this industry for years. These are the industry standards. All the top engineers, voice actors, agents and coaches all agree across the board on this. Now, if this were a video about pop vocals and top 10's, you'd have a point.
@@JamesYounger Did you use a pop filter with the Kaotica (the one it comes with?) but no pop filter when not using the Kaotica? If so, it wasn't a fair AB test for any kind of recording. (I generally wouldn't use the Neumann with no pop filter anyway, because it's bad for the mic... less so for VO than belting out songs, but still not good.)
So are you saying the eyeball is worth it or not 😭😭
@@TRVPDINERO Really? Did you watch the video? I mean literally the VERY beginning were I say and I quote "But if you're a voice actor, don't ever use on of these things". And if you read the comments above you'd know vocals for music is a little more forgiving.
@@JamesYounger bro I wasn’t talking to you calm your ass down why you so hostile to everyone in the comments 💀 I’m not a voice actor so I had no reason to watch your video
You're right. this is exactly why I sold my kaotica a few years back and purchased the Aston halo + foam instead.
I love my halo, but it's just so bulky
I agree with you as an engineer James. Get the eyeball if your only recording space is bathroom or something similar. Thank for the video.
Thank you good sir!
Hey sorry another question, until i actually treat my room how it’s suppose to be, is it better to put a blanket over me while i record ? ( i am recording hip hop vocals in my room) and maybe clean it up with a NS1 noise gate plug-in or some sort ? or what’s a good alternative until l actually treat the room u would recommend?
Great video.....question, I have a dedicated space at home for recording but sometimes need to record while at work at my day job in my office that I can't treat.....could something like this work just for audition purposes? Or any recommendations? I hate to miss auditions when they come up while working.
Look into the PVB booth. That's about the best one I've heard. Portable vocal booth wise.
This video is so accurate‼️ I took it off of my mic and my mic actually sounds better without it even in a room with no acoustic treatment. This thing was suffocating my vocals 😂😂
Awesome! Glad you liked it and go use out of it! :)
Honestly it's pretty scammy. When I saw the price I was like, no way, I could get 3 Shure Beta 58A's for the price of one of these. Costs almost as much as my used Korg Wavestation EX! Lol. If you need a cleaner recording quality but don't have the money to (or just don't want foam and whatnot all over your walls), couch cushions/pillows and thick blankets shaped into a "fort" is gonna sound much, much better than a plain room with lots of reflections.
@@JamesYoungerdo you still feel this way? I think you have to listen from a different perspective. IMO it gives the voice more focus. It’s very interesting how the room messes with your highs.
@@soniksource Yeah I mean, I don't "feel" this way it's just factual ya know? Surrounding a mic that closely with anything ruins the mechanics of the way it was made. The audio will either get muffled, boomy, muddy or a mix of them. For voice over it's a no go. For other things like vocals it can be used but you will have to do more with EQ and other processing on the back end to recover what they eyeball did to the audio. The perspective I gave was one that I NEVER see anyone else give. In order to actually hear what they eyeball is doing to the audio it needs to be in a controlled environment like this. Just saying "Oh look! The eyeball took down the reverb" is only scratching the surface. Ya gotta dig deeper to get to what's actually going on.
Thank you so much for this video! Very underrated!
@@byRRVW Thank you so much!
I am trying to record little messages from home to reach a small community and share in social media. Which acoustic level would you suggest? We do have a big house with many options of closets (both walk-ins and small closets. All I wanna have is a deep voice similar to movie trailers and crystal clear sound system without spending $$$ like professional audition competitors
I use a kaotica eyeball and a couple other variants on a daily basis in an untreated environment and it does wonders. Your experience/recording space is not everyone else’s. It has its uses
Are you a voice actor?
Ok. What about reflection filter?
Thanks I saw one of these and had my doubts no I am certain that it just does not work.
Its definitely less clear. Unfortunate. I am temporarily in a cheap apartment until september and the walls are THIN. So I'm not sure what to do as I was told we couldn't put anything on the walls by a manager.
What do you think about the halo?
WOW! I've been studying mixing for hundreds of hours and months to only find out that the $200 Kaotica eyeball is actually whats killing my mix. This video is great! Thank you!
You're very welcome! I'm so glad this helped!
Trust me... the eyeball !s not what k!lls ur m!x...
Hey James, would you say this advice applies to things like the ISOVOX? I'm looking for more of a mobile solution right now and was originally looking into something along the lines of a Kaotica Eyeball as a temporary measure when I came across your video, so thanks for talking me out of that haha. Still, if you were to create your own "travel" VO suitcase, what would it look like? Would something like the ISOVOX be an okay compromise for you or would you just never do work outside of your studio?
I mean, unfortunately nothing you surround your microphone with that's as close as all of these things are will give you the greatest sounding audio, however the ISOVOX is a bit bigger and as long as you don't cram the mic in the back of the thing it will help. Pull the mic as far out as you can to get better results. Look up James Arnold Taylor @jatactor. He makes some really awesome pillow/blanket forts that sound awesome when he's on vacation and makes videos showing them on his instagram.
@@JamesYounger Thank you so much for the kind response & valuable insights!! I will look into this person's blanket forts haha. Definitely would be a cheaper option for sure. I just don't have access to a more permanent space at the moment, but I don't want that to totally slow me down from producing higher quality sound. Appreciate the videos, James! Your professional experience and meticulousness really shines through in them. Hope to come across more of them in the future.
I have the isovox , and believe it’s not worth it especially at that price . It gives the same type of sound as the kaotica ball just slightly better than the eyeball…you hear a boost around the low mids but easy fix with eq but to save a lot of money it’s best to use the blanket technique , it sounds a whole lot more better than the eyeball and isovox …
Wow, I really learned a lot in this video. I’m starting out as a voice actor and trying to get great sound. I purchased an Auray iso armor - which is a competitor to the Chaotica eyeball. At first I thought it was an improvement and then I realized that my vocals were sounding really boomy. I think it’s time to get rid of that thing and move into my closet with some sound blankets!
Boom! I'm so glad this video helped! Yeah man, put as many clothes in the closet as possible paired with these blankets: vocalboothtogo.com/product/vb-80-group-product/?ref=James+Younger
Hopefully that will be enough!
@@JamesYounger Thank you! Keep up the great work...
That's a step in the right direction as a voice actor. We're not UA-camrs, podcasters or a punk vocalist cutting a raw demo. Voice acting is a whole different animal. To book big clients an untreated room using any "studio booth alternative" will leave you unemployed and bottom feeding for $15 jobs.
@@jackedkerouac4414 Great point - thank you so much!
Thank you for sharing your expertise. I don’t know if it’s my beats buds or what, but I swear I hear all these small crackles (like microscopic mouth smacking sounds) in the recording closet starting at: 2:00
What am I hearing? Does anyone else hear that?
Yeah it's just what they call "mouth noise". 99.9% of people have it during a recording for multiple reasons but you can get rid of it with a declicker plugin but all of this audio is raw with no processing as to not alter the audio.
what do you recommend instead for a traveling recording engineer?
Look up "jatactor" (James Arnold Taylor) on Instagram. He makes some awesome pillow/cushion forts in his hotel rooms. Also look up PVC booths.
What do you recommend for a mobile studio?
PVC booth, Recording in your car, and building a pillow, cushion, blanket fort. Go check out a voice actor on Instagram named James Arnold Taylor (jatactor) and he has a lot of videos showing his recording booth forts he makes on the road.
so what do you reccomend in my situation? i record in my bedroom where i put some blankets and pillows around me, would you also reccomend using an eyeball? 🙂
Hey there! NOOOOO to the eyeball haha! You're on the right track. Clothes, blankets and pillows could work in some situations but in others you may need to take it further. It just depends on the space and everyone's space and circumstances are different. If you'd like an audio analysis you can sign up here: audiodoctor.tech/audiocheckupintakeform
thank you💪🏻
When I first saw those eyeball thingy, I was like, "ooooooooh interesting!"
Then I thought about it, and I was like, "ok, so maybe it can reduce the room noise like it says it will, but there is no way it doesn't also color the sound of the microphone, and that would completely ruin the whole point of using a nice microphone in the first place."
Nailed it! :)
You can also boost the highs with something like slates fresh air and then use a de-esser for sibilance then fix the boxy lows with some eq or even better a plugin like soothe2 buuuuuttt I’d just treat your room 😂 (not with foam, use rock-wool)
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I think its better for vocals my mic has an option to roll off low end so i get a good flat vocal that i was already gonna mix
Music vocals*
Oh yeah much more doable for vocals for sure. It's just VO has REALLY strict audio guidelines.
I think these balls are good for reducing room noise. I prefer using them. Mine was under $100 though.
Mine was 30
They definitely do not..lol they destroy your mics dynamics. My sm7b sounds terrible with it on.
@@MichaelHaze yeah but you are talking about a dynamic microphone 😂 it has lower sensibility
no theyre not. they destroy the audio quality of your microphone and people who buy this piece of crap are destroying their recordings. seriously stop buying this crap
please tell me what stand your using / what your entire set up is with the TLM
Hey there, it's the Rode PSA1+
@@JamesYounger Goat
I actually thought the mic sounded better without the kaotica in the "bathroom" setting.
I heard the same thing both times. The mic just gets really stuffy, I guess a mask is a way to put it like was said in the video.
But it just makes it sound very bad, I had to deal with audio like this recently.
Totally! You lose all the clarity from the audio when you put the eyeball on. Not a great sound 😬
Whether it's helps for tracking the vocals clear and crystal?
It won't help you get clear vocals as displayed in the video. But this video was specifically for Voice actors.
Good Vid 👍🏿
Thanks so much!
JAMES!!! I HAVE BEEN LAFFIN MY FACE OFF! This video my Friend is epic! I'd not heard of this crazy piece of sh....foam until I saw your video. I'm truly flabbergasted and perplexed as to why this would be a good idea, not to mention the eye socket or what ever it's called sells for HOW MUCH MONEY??? Yet again, Sir! Another great video outlining the reasons for understanding the craft of great audio vs gimmicks! ....even after writing this, I'm still chuckling and I dare say will be for a few days! 11 out of 10, James!! Great video!! 👍🏾 😆
Thank you so much as always!! You know how it is, people just want the quick easy solution so it's easy to fool people into believing it works simply because it's way less work 😮💨 by the way, love your new short!! Solid advice!
@@JamesYounger They'll get there eventually, My Friend! Still, love those video! Had to muffle my laff in public with a sh...foam eyeball! Oh the irony! 😆
@@TrueNorf 🤣😂 I hope everyone around thought you were weird! 🤣 But honestly I can't blame anyone. I want things to be as easy as possible too! Who doesn't?
I appreciate you for this video. Really saved me from wasting money.
but how are we suppose to take out room reverb from our vocals if we record in our room then ?
Acoustic Treatment. Acoustic Panels to be exact. There's a lot that can go into properly treating a room for recording but that's the simple answer. Acoustic Panels.
@@JamesYounger Thanks i’ll look into it
@@JamesYounger Do you know how i can treat wooden floor tiles ? or would acoustic panels on the wall be enough ?
@@flamersss Usually people don't need to treat the floors so I don't think you'll need to worry about that. If you go to my website (Link in description) You will find all of my acoustic treatment recommendations. It's under recommended equipment.
How do you feel about the Aston halo
I don't think it would be as bad as the eyeball, though, you are still pushing something right jam up behind the microphone and that's never good. To know FOR SURE I'd have to buy and test one so I might do that in the future :)
@@JamesYounger I've got a Halo and it's decent. Doesn't jam up behind the mic as much - you've got an adjustable amount of space (several inches at least) - and it's also _slightly_ reflective itself so while you don't get the often-phasey slapback from the walls of your room you also aren't getting the fierce HF attenuation that comes with a straight-up foam wrap.
The bigger thing about it is due to the shape it gives you some protection from the reflections off a ceiling, which in most home studios are notoriously hard to treat properly (and are almost always gypsum drywall, and almost always too darn low).
I love how you just approached that with simple logic to debunk the stupid marketing gimmicks haha. Like just for that. Big ups.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that!
Sorry I just have to say this because I thought you were hilarious in the delivery.
“I’m not sure if you noticed, but I’m in a bathroom.” Sounded so Deadpool 🤣🤣🤣😅
🤣😂 Thank you! I love Deadpool! I also just found out that Hugh Jackman is returning as Wolverine for Deadpool 3!
Would you recommend the Aston Halo?
Unfortunately it's still pretty jam up against the mic but it probably wouldn't be as bad as the eyeball.
I love the mic eye
Your audio doesn't love it lol
Accentize DeRoom plugin is great for getting rid of tail reverb in rooms but it is quite pricey. I know many engineers who use it first in their vocal chains when receiving good quality recordings done in untreated rooms.
Yeah definitely. I use DeReverb from Isotope for my UA-cam videos that aren't mic reviews, but when it comes to voice over they don't want you putting any processing on your audio, especially processing like that. So for content creators it's all good but for voice actors they need to properly acoustically treat their space.
@@JamesYounger DeRoom pro is a lot better than DeReverb, If used softly you wont even notice any processing, DeReverb has artifacts and sounds like a limiter at times.
@@tokyogamer5825 Oh nice!
Would the vintage button on a Volt 176 count as Processing?
This does just as good a job at comparing the difference as the other "ridiculous" comparisons you mentioned while standing in your bathtub. The eyeball isn't meant to be used in ALREADY TREATED rooms. It's meant as a cheap alternative when you can't afford to completely sound treat your space or if you don't have the freedom to do so for other reason. Brightness in vocals can be easily brought up with EQ and other plugins. All you're doing with this video is shaming people for trying to get a budget friendly set up.
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What do you think of the Iso Vox booth ?
I personally haven't tried it so I can't say from personal experience but I've heard it in other videos and the ones I've heard sounded boxy/muffled as well. I would love to try one but they're $1000
Facts
What about the alctron?
I haven't personally used it but I'd say probably the same results. That is, IF it surrounds the microphone in a similar way.
But....but....but...In their ads they have a picture of Sir Paul using one! It must be good! LOL
😂 that was always so funny to me because if anyone can afford to build out and properly treat a home studio it's him!
I just put my mic in my coat pocket and yell through it. Saves me $200.
🤣
Ima use it cause my rooms and home studios are not treated I record in bed rooms kitchens and livings rooms
Are you a voice actor?
@@JamesYounger nahh
@@makinoutmakinout2056 Then you're fine
I thought It’s supposed to isolate the sound and block out surrounding sound outside
Nah it's for treatment not soundproofing. Check this out: ua-cam.com/users/shortstLg5ITYY8QY?si=y7CMDi_688D2Lg9a
Once you hear what the eyeball or other supposed treatment options do to the audio of a mic, you can't unhear it. Would rather treat my space even doing the blanket thing than buy this junk. Fix reflections by .... deadening the reflections at their source. Who would've thunk. haha good video
Thank you so much! Yes! 100%
I’m presuming the eyeball and all the other clones are for those that can’t acoustically treat their vocal space for whatever reason. Unlike in your video, where your room is treated and then you are adding more treatment on top of that with the eyeball, which could be the reason you are getting the muffled sound.
No sir the muffled sound has absolutely nothing to do with the space and everything to do with surrounding a microphone like the eyeball does. This video explains more: ua-cam.com/video/g_YmLfygvCU/v-deo.htmlsi=j1QkjmJoR5d7bQBh
"Use this little piece of sh- magic!" lmao 🤣 🤣 🤣
You're right it does sound muffled like someone stuffed a microphone in a box.
I finally got the Rode NT1, per your recommendation and man! It's a beautiful sound. A huge step up from my MXL 770 that I started out with. The one thing that I noticed, is that the MXL peaked alot in the higher frequency range, creating more harsher Sss, Ps, and T sounds which had more sibilance. Since the Rode NT1 has more of a flat frequency response (and doesn't peak much in the higher frequency range) it sounds much more smooth. It has a nice warmth to it which is great for my smoky, husky voice. I can't stop raving about RØDE.
I've learned alot from your videos. Thanks!
Yes!! I love hearing that! The RODE NT1 has yet to disappoint me on anyone's voice! Love that microphone! :)
Ya know what?.....I thought it was just me. I bought one, put it on and was like...what the HELL is this?!
I disagree, this is a matter of application and preference.. in my opinion without, the audio was almost too bright/airy and with was closer to a finished product after compression, EQ and Dessing.. Maybe for voice acting this applies but with music I would much prefer to start with the warmer eyeball audio and minimize processing within the DAW although your voice sounded great without it or any instruments.. Also my u87 picks up a lot of my modestly treated room.
Gotta disagree completely with your disagreement of his..agreement...yeah that made sense!
Without the Kaotica on, his 103 sounded like what a mic SHOULD sound like pre-processing: raw. You don't want a *finished sounding recording* to start with because if something needs to be adjusted or changed, it's significantly more of a pain in the ass to try and work with vs something un-processed. Harder to paint a wall when it's already got multiple coats of paint on it.
Regardless of whether or not you're working in the field of music OR voice acting, you wanna start with a raw, uncolored signal (mic pre's aside of course). And if the source is too bright, there's nothing stopping you from slapping on a lowpass filter/DeEsser, or working in some subtractive/dynamic EQ. All of which are moves that are almost always made in the vocal mixing stage regardless.
With the Kaotica on, it's making EQ moves prior to the recording being sent to your mic pre's/interface/DAW. EQ moves that are much easier to add in as opposed to trying to remove. It's smothering the top end and significantly accentuating the low midrange due to how small the Kaotica is - sound waves need time/space to dissipate effectively, so with the Kaotica on you're essentially cramming your mic into a foam pocket with no room to breathe. That's why it sounds the way it does, even smaller vocal booth's can sound muffled and boxy.
-and uh, not to flop my own wiener around but I'm saying this as an audio engineer who works both in the field of music AND voice acting for a living. I'll take a vocal without the Kaotica ANY day vs with it, and I HAVE worked with people who use em. Besides, if you reeeeally want a Kaotica/foam butthole, just snag a $40 knockoff from Amazon, it's the same shit.
@@MyToasterIsMoist YES!⏫
Sooo...I'm not a pro, but I i find it easier and more cost efficient to add EQ than a ton of money to treating a space to record audio that you're gonna be editing and producing anyway.
So you're saying this video wasn't edited or produced?
Did you even watch the video? It literally says AT THE BEGINING OF THE VIDEO "Absolutely no processing was done to the audio during the examples..." This is when I think Botts are commenting on the video... 🤦♂ 99% of voice actors aren't going to be editing their own audio. They will be sending it off to an engineer to edit. If you want to be a voice actor and have the (I don't want to spend the money on treating my space) attitude, you won't make it as a voice actor. The engineer you're sending your audio off to also has a VERY tight deadline just like everyone else down the line. The will throw out your audio and just go with a voice actor who has great audio in a millisecond. They don't have time for hobbyists. They have to move really quickly and if you get in the way of moving quickly they will just make sure to never use you again. In case you didn't know from watching the video (which it seems very clear you didn't) this video is for voice actors...
not to be a jerk, but foaming you walls is a placebo effect also. They're not doing anything, the clothes on the side are doing the sound absorbtion.
Not true. Foam takes care of the high frequencies across the frequency spectrum. Foam just can't deal with mid and low frequencies. This video will help you understand ua-cam.com/video/pQ-X1Sv2jtM/v-deo.html
@@JamesYounger he’s right ..
@@coldhardtruth333 Well, I know a couple of people who are making it into my next Misinformation Monday series... Just be on the lookout for it in a couple weeks 😂
gracias man ... casi gasto $30 por nada
Dude, A. you're using a Neumann in that bathroom. Use an affordable mic and see how much a noise reflection filter helps.
B. People with less money than you could choose a bathroom to record in. They may have nowhere else. Don't forget Paul McCartney himself said 'Everything sounds better in the bog'. 😂
First off, stop thinking just because people make UA-cam videos that they have money... I borrowed that 103 from a co worker. I definitely don't have the money to buy one. All the equipment I have took me years and years to save up for. I'm actually the most poor I have ever been in my life currently. People really need to stop falling for the "Oh they make UA-cam videos so they're RICH!" fallacy. It makes absolutely no logical sense. Secondly, if you actually took the time to watch the video you'd know I was talking to voice actors and not musicians so it means absolutely nothing that Paul said anything. Voice over is a MUCH different animal. Trust me when I say, using a Rode NT1 or a 103 wouldn't change the results. The eyeball still suffocates the mic no matter the brand 😂 the name on the mic doesn't magically make it immune to what they eyeball does to the mechanics of the way a mic works.
Sooooo true. Imagine wrapping your head in foam and leaving air "holes" on the sides for your ears tucked deep inside. The sounds you hear would be "odd sounding" to say the least. Give it a try by cupping your hands around your ears and you'll get the gist. I used to THINK, "Oh wow! How cool is that!" but now I realize it's all snake oil. Simply put your microphone needs room to breath and these damn things don't allow that.
Imo, this made my audio very muffled so i just took the front off of it….which honestly defeated the purpose 😂
I agree it sounds a bit dull with the eyeball. But how much of it is due to the pop filter? Pop filter is literally a mask between you and the microphone. And you use it for a purpose, if you need it. Talking past the microphone (like you do in the video) lessens the need for a pop filter. By the way, I tested shortly a similar screen also without its pop filter: ua-cam.com/video/qF5rB8JcCjI/v-deo.htmlsi=vPdi9eNhHiTD5xCn
In my oppinion the sound with the eyeball is better... And a lot better than the Sm7b.
Remember in the video when I said you're not trying to please your own ears? You're trying to please the ears of the engineers you're sending the audio off to?
Even Bathroom without the Kaotica sounded better than with.
I don't think the issue is actually knocking down the high end. I think the issue is that the low end is bouncing around in the eyeball and you're getting a lot of mud in the low mids of the voice. Not pleasing at all.
This could absolutely be the case but it's much easier to explain by saying "listen to the highs disappear" because even if what you're saying is the case (and it may very well be) it's still being perceived by everyone that the highs have diminished. It's just like EQ. Sometimes if you want to add a little high end to the voice you can actually just take a little low - low mids away and the ear will actually perceive more high end in the audio. Great observation.
I've seen this video multiple times and have kind of taken it as fact as it was a pretty well put together video, and I enjoyed it overall. BUT, over the last year I have noticed that damn near all of my favorite artists happen to be using this thing. I'll just be watching a random vlog/video of their recording process at home, and it'll be the first thing I notice. The big ball of foam all over their mic. Why is this? Are they really all just actively killing their mix despite the music still sounding so good? I don't mean to doubt your credibility or expertise, but I've just been conflicted on this for a long time now. Thoughts?
Hey, could you please tell me which artists are those? I want to check their music and analize the audio quality with the kaotica
What would you recommend for a mobile/ solution to rooms that cant be treated?
Look up "jatactor" (James Arnold Taylor) on Instagram. He makes some awesome pillow/cushion forts in his hotel rooms. Also look up PVC booths.
Thank you!@@JamesYounger
@@KevinCoulsonAV-kh6ns You're so welcome! :)
What if you’re a mobile engineer
Are you a voice actor on the road? Or recording voice actors on the road?
Shoam. Word up!
No one records vocals in a bathroom (echo) or a closet (muffled) so as far a comparing in a closet your muffling the muffle. A trial in an partially treated studio and the Kaotica in the same room would have been helpful.
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@@JamesYounger I do not think this product is advertised for voice overs or voice actors rather this product is made for vocals / singing and dealing with live vocal recording sessions.
@@thejrband2445 I wish that were the case, but in the VO industry it's pushed at voice actors like you wouldn't believe. Same with foam. Trust me, I didn't make the video for fun. I made the video because of how many of my students and clients either used this product or were about to buy one.
@@JamesYounger I get it, thanks !
@@thejrband2445 Also, I just wanted to say, a closet doesn't give you a muffled sound. The muffled sound can only come from how you choose to acoustically treat that closet. And that goes for any space. 90% of the voice actors in the business are voicing out of their closets. My job is to consult them on how to properly acoustically treat their closet so it sounds dead, but not muffled, as well as many other issues that you can avoid if you know how to properly acoustically treat a space. It's a totally different world than vocals for music. I found out the hard way YEARS ago when I went from music production to voice over.
EQ you brought up is an obvious mistake. The reason why the Kaotica is reducing your highs is because your highs are no longer bouncing around the room. So the obvious answer would not be to boost the highs but to boost the highs on the reverbs EQ. Which leads us to the problem with these things which is the problem with all acoustic foam products. They're doing nothing to your lows, very little to your mids, and killing you highs. Killing highs is fine as long as your killing most of the rest of the spectrum. Then you just add reverb. Problem is when it's just part of the spectrum things get wonky. I can possibly see this helping with vocalists whose voices or particular mixes are aided by big low roll offs. For male voiceover work you usually are not going to want to do a big low rolloff.
Damn both with or without it sounds bad to me 🤯🤯🤯
In comparison to what?
😆 I wouldn't use that
I don't think you gave the eyeball a fair test!!! I think your meant to get closer to the eyeball... Go right up against the pop filter and lower the gain of the mic! Even as you talked to the camera I noticed every time you faced the eyeball the high end slightly increased!!
Getting closer to the eyeball wouldn't change the fact that the eyeball is suffocating the mic. And of course you did, that's normal with any mic unless it has a omni polar pattern. I actually made it as fair as possible, I was at the same distance with the eyeball on and off. Getting closer to the eyeball (mic) causes what's know as the proximity effect, which increases the bass response in the audio causing muddiness. So for example, if I had gotten closer to the eyeball like you suggested, the audio would not only sound muffled like it does, but it would have also ended up more muddy sounding. Long story short, if you're a voice actor and want a career, don't use one of these. If you're a rapper or singer or UA-camr go right ahead because in those circumstances you are your own audio engineer and you're responsible for the final sonic quality of the audio.
you sound better with the eyeball.
Remember in the video when I said you're not trying to please your own ears? You're trying to please the ears of the engineers you're sending the audio off to?
In the bathroom I heard the negative effects immediately upon switching.
Right!? You're the first one to catch that! I've been waiting! :)
i only looked this up because i just made a song on bandlab without a mic cover and noticed my vocals sound more “captured” and “fuller” and i usually record my music with a neumann and kaotica but I wasn’t really satisfied with my raw vocal until I realized the kaotica eyeball was the problem this whole time
I'm so glad my video helped! Thank you so much for the comment!
Jim Morrison recorded in a bathroom!
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One thing ive learned fasho… don’t trust a YT boi about engineering sound quality. Safe to safe you hear ish a bit differently than the cultured
I think it's safe to safe you didn't watch the video 😂
Horrible video, testing it in a completely treated room and going "no ones going to record in untreated spaces with bad acoustics" when it's quite literally the point of the product is ridiculous. Like for real wtf man we're looking for something to bring to the hotel room not put up in our studios
Someone didn't actually watch the video... 🤡 This video is very clearly aimed at voice actors. Not content creators or musicians. Voice actors have WAYYY stricter audio guidelines to follow than anyone else. Also, if you were actually paying attention (which you clearly weren't) I made it clear that the point of testing in a completely treated room is the only way to isolate the recording and hear exactly what the eyeball is doing to the audio. Lastly, if you're telling me I'm ridiculous for saying people shouldn't record in their bathrooms, that can only mean YOU WOULD which tells me everything I need to know... 😂
@@JamesYounger 1. I did watch the video. The fact you had a horrible title and decided to test a product completely out of its usage area, without disclosing this fact at all, is wildly misleading and very dumb. No amount of hurt ego of yours changes that.
2. "Testing in a completely treated room is the only way to isolate the recording and hear exactly what the eyeball is doing to the audio" is complete bullshit. The eyeballs sole job is to make almost fully untreated environments vastly better. This it succeeds at, and you can't test that in a treated room as you're essentially stacking sound absorption on top of each other in a way that completely kills the frequency response. You wouldn't review underwear and rate them low because you couldn't use them as a tent, without disclosing you're only testing their capability to be used as a tent.
3. "Lastly, if you're telling me I'm ridiculous for saying people shouldn't record in their bathrooms, that can only mean YOU WOULD which tells me everything I need to know..." Keep deflecting your hurt ego, it's fine, I won't cry. I've mixed music recorded in the worst possible environments before, it's part of working in audio engineering. The least I can do is recommend a cheap way for e.g. young people living at home, college dorms, rental apartments and the like to at least improve what they have. The eyeball is one of few products that help those people.
You made a useless video completely misusing a product, didn't take 3 seconds to state that you're testing the product completely out of its usage area, and went on to spread desinformation about how it's hurtful for the sound, when the only thing killing the sound is your misuse of it. Nice try!
The reason why you have spent a lot of time on that SM7B is because of that Eyeball sound we all love.
Sure, but the industry doesn't want you using the SM7B for voice over just like they don't want you using the eyeball for voice over. I never use the SM7B for voice over work.
lol badman
wut if u can't afford to treat your room mr rich guy
Are you a voice actor?
Tweak your voice in post, don’t “fix” it.
You have no idea what your talking about ..Because all your doing IS TALKING..The Ball is used when Tracking into a busy multitrack of frequencies and Harmonics competing for a mono or stereo field ..Inevitably Vocals are the last to go on recording..so You have to turn the mic pre up Hot ..it will grab way too much white noise ..the Ball is a very valuable tool for this reason..Because ISO Booth is a headache process if your trying to hit " Play Record " by yourself Run to a booth ..and be on que ..it is just not happening ...it's a game changer for the Home studio enthusiasts and Big studios alike ..It's not made to sit around to hear yourself jaber about shit ..it's made for Hot mic's and squeezing into a multitrack on top vocals without hiss or room reverb!! without spending a fortune on acoustic tile sets that cost 10× the amount for a eyeBall !
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Wait. But you put the Kaotica over the eyeball IN a treated space. Of course it's going to sound like that. Lol!! Some people don't live in spaces that they can treat. Not even their closets. So, these serve a purpose. EQ is a thing for a reason.
Next topic. Lol!
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Bla bla bla who have the money to build a especial place for recording just a voice ? ... This gay sell courses of course that's why he speak like that .... He lost a lot of money because there no more customers for him so he have to speak bad about one of the grants solutions people use Kaotica help is not perfect but solve our pockets .... Ou yeah
It cost me a total of $137 to acoustically treat my closet (which is what most voice actors do) and this is actually less than the cost of the eyeball. It's not about money, it's about the degradation of the audio. Not to mention the top bookers, agents, studios, experts in the industry all agree across the board, DON'T USE THEM. So, you're not just disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with an entire industry of professionals. Music is a totally different world than voice over.
They eyeball comb filter makes me nauseous
This was funny
Thank you! 😄