WALMAN TRADED! (EMERGENCY EPISODE ft. Max Bultman & Prashanth Iyer) - Winged Wheel Podcast - June 25
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EMERGENCY EPISODE! We're joined by Max Bultman & Prashanth Iyer to discuss Steve Yzerman's trade to ship out Jake Walman and a 2nd round pick (that he just acquired for Andrew Gibson) to the San Jose Sharks in order to clear salary cap space.
What does this mean? What else is Yzerman cooking for the Detroit Red Wings? Are there big moves coming in Hockeytown like Guentzel, Gibson, Stamkos, Trouba, etc.? How does this affect the "Yzerplan" timeline? All of that and more - tune in before more happens!
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Walman was a bonus from the Leddy trade, he surprised everyone with his play.
I think Steve wanted to trade a D, no one wants Holl, Maata or Petry, SJ wanted who had been better than them - Walman.
Gaining a 2nd then getting rid of it is no big deal to me. Steve still has Detroit's 2nd round pick.
Edvinsson and Johansson are coming in, I hope Edvinsson takes Walman's spot beside Seider.
I say wait, let this play our, Stevie Y still has my trust.
A fan with a brain. Good to see.
Holl or petry I get, but I find it hard to believe no one wants Maatta attached with a 2nd rounder. Can either 3 be sent to the ahl also (who cares about waivers)?
The only thing that would make sense is if in a later trade, SJ retains some salary or gives up a player/pick in a 3 way trade.
@@xRyeBredx Maatta is more valuable on the 3rd pair than Walman.
@xRyeBredx yeah, this should lead to other dealings, I'll wait to hear what the gm's explanation is regarding the whole situation in the near future, instead of listening to the hair on fire fans. Just like the Seider draft pick, I'll wait a bit
If no other gm would take walman on waivers in late June...that is staggering as well. Yzerman did not throw in a free second rounder without a reason. Crazy cap trade results in nothing coming back for a legit player on a decent contract. We won't soon forget this puzzling move without context.
What are you talking about? You can't just make shit up.
You never know if someone will be claimed on waivers until you actually put them on waivers haha
Another team isn't going to be like yeah... we won't take
Of course not cause someone might be an IDIOT LIKE SY and give you a 2nd!
But if you put the guy on waivers now 31 teams! Have to pass on the Guy.
Absolutely Batshit Crazy Nonsense... Fucking Pissed.
Only Explanation is if Walman has an undisclosed injury/medical condition
He wasnt waived and multiple gm's didn't know he was availeble.
Not shocked or upset to lose Walman, just really don't understand how he had negative value. Must be more to the story there.
3-4 years ago saw 12k tix sold...last year we were selling out. We are getting close. Johannson needs a spot and has better skills
In my opinion they traded the second with a background agreement that San Jose gives them their pick at 14 if the board has someone he has his eyes on
That’s if I’m not mistaken San Jose also has 14th pick right?
It was traded to Buffalo
@@Jarenballor hey thanks for telling me something that happened today bro👍🏻
@@arctic3415 no prob lil bro
This feels like offersheet ins for Seider
Or Raymond, or both?
That really is the only explanation that would make sense
How does a Utah not want Walman? The "future considerations" must be significant.
FC is literally nothing lol. Pure cap dump move. Nothing in return.
@@mattl2642fc is not the same across the board. It could easily be something to look for during the draft.
those future considerations and going to be a bag of pucks and sharks shower cap . Not to mention - we are in a different era now - Utah and its ownership means that there is no longer a Phoenix around to dump a bad contract to so that they can get to the cap floor - that is no longer available for any GMs anymore
@@mattl2642 maybe
Remember: if trading picks and players was being done for another move, you would NEVER make that move before confirming the other deal. That means Detroit should already know what is going to happen. Likely that removes all free agency moves, including Guenzel. So don’t get so excited about something huge. Sure, you can dream about a Marner deal but doing something like that before Seider and Raymond contracts would be un-Yzerman like. What else could it be then? Maybe look at big tough rugged defenseman another team is wanting to move because of cap reasons. Think about Tampa Bay shedding Cernak for cap reasons.
Im only a few minutes in and I'm left remembering all the wtf nay-sayers when Stevie Y chose Moritz Seider. Nobody but the inner core of Yzerman, Lidstrom, Draper, and maybe one or two others knows what chess pieces are being moved internally and between teams. This is all Monday morning quarterbacking ahead of what the Wings will look like when the puck drops in October.
I'm staring across my desk at a unwrapped jake walman griddy bobblehead hating myself. Why no return... why a 2nd rounder. Absolutely something underlying on Jake we dont know.
Obviously there is something that the organization did not like that we are not aware of - as they pointed out he was a healthy scratch a few times down the stretch last year - when they were battling for the last playoff spot - so when you consider that we should not be surprised that he was traded - I was not - just surprised that they had to include a 2nd round pick to move him . I mean Pierre Luc Dubois and his $8.5 mill/year for the next 6 years just got traded straight up last week !!! That is a player and contract that is going to get GMs fired - I am pretty sure Rob Blake saved his job by getting rid of that albatross plus he is looked at as a locker room lawyer - on top of his poor on ice performance. So it blows my mind a 2nd had to go to move Wallman something is really off there
Could be Jake likes to party hard and self medicate and Detroit had to unload him now.
He’s addicted to Fortnite. He’s prolly playin it rn instead of training. He was not a good Dman. He had one decent year and everyone thinks he’s great lol. Who was he before he even came here? Nobody really. He made a name off a Fortnite move lmao. Dudes a NHL hockey player playing video games like a bum
Just heard in this podcast that the tied for 46th in scoring Lucas Raymond had a "monster year". Please help me understand what comes after monster.
More trades and SJ is gona be the 3rd in it would be my guess. Always a Plan with SY
Let the summer play out and see what else transpires to get a larger picture of the team. The trade by itself is horrible value...unless you are a sharks fan. There are more moves to be made for sure...future considerations? Hard to understand in a vacuum. More changes seem to be forthcoming. Easy to criticize this move on so many levels. The next few weeks should be very interesting.
Didn't see this one coming at all.
However, perhaps we should not be surprised as it is Stevie.
It could be that it is a three party deal that is split over several days because important dates during a LONG season are as it is now!
The third part is either during draft day or 7/1. Could be for Saros (which I don't think is likely), could just as well be someone else of greater value on the open market (more likely for RW). Here, SJ is the recipient of a contract and a bonus to use their cap days before everything opens (the Wallman deal becomes more logical now).
So, I don't think it's a pure cap dump at all for some of the RFA/UFA's we have to deal with. Wallman does not fit into such a role as his cap is too low. The NHL has approved the trade, so they know the reason why the deal looks the way it does "today". in conclusion, I don't think it's about personal chemistry when it comes to Wallman either, the basis is too small to even start speculating there.
Could be making room for either Jacob Trouba or Rasmus Andersson.. SY better not give away the 1st rounder for Trouba,
As for Gibson, in the second round SY passed on forwards Lind, Rehkopf, Sawchyn, and Heidt. Add the head scratcher selecting Brady Cleveland over these forwards too. I did not make sense.
I truly hope I am wrong but the Walman move gives the impression of a player about to enter the Player Assistance Program. If that is the case and Walman would not have been on your roster anyway, the net result is you moved out $3.4M and traded one prospect for another. The second round pick came in and went out in the same day.
If Edvinsson and Johansson light up the league next year...great! Sign Roy or Pesce and make the playoffs next year...great! We all hate the value of this trade. Maybe Holl gets waived and the sharks pick him up? There needs to be more moves to help us understand this trade for...nada/zilch/future considerations. We all want a better understanding of this...nobody saw this coming outside of the wings brass.
That is at least a wrinkle that could make this a little more sense. I did not mind the idea of trading Wallman - we need to make space for some of the young Defensemen in the system. I have always been a big defender of Yzerman even when I did not understand the idea of signing some of these free agents - especially with term ala - Chiarot, Copp, Holl. I have watched the leafs a lot so I was really scratching my head when he signed Holl but I figured they saw something that I didn't but I am now really questioning the red wings scouting dept. especially pro scouting. Especially when it comes to cap space when you consider Wallman and Holl were on almost identical contracts - Wallman played 20 minutes /night - Holl I don't think dressed for 20 games that is a big difference ! This is coming the day after Florida won the Stanley cup with exactly 3 players on their roster that they drafted !!! So there are teams/ GM's out there that are acquiring players through trades / free agency that are contributing a lot to a winning team. I have never been a big believer in that you are going to get well by big free agent signings as all teams do everything they can to tie up their best players long term. Only in very rare cases are really quality players going to be available as a free agent. Detroit's biggest problem I still say is they don't have any true star players that really move the needle . Larkin is clearly their best and he is a very good player but he is not a clear difference maker.
I think, he's making cap space for
Gus Bus, the Cap hit is even , I love Gus Bus, but your getting one hell of a goalie, I'm going to miss him
Denny from Minnesota
As with a lot of people, looking at this trade on its own, it's a loss. But...I also want to wait until the fallout next week to learn what the space is used for and what SJ does with the future considerations. You all can't honestly believe Yzerman didn't know who Walman is? Until we see the plan, I'll hold off judgment until the fog clears. But if it sucks, then yeah, what the heck, Stevie?
He needed the cap space in his hand and not in the bush to accomplish his next move.
The point is a rebuilding team like Detroit shouldn’t have cap issues. Ever.
Hardly an emergency..this is a footnote that could've waited until next episode to speculate what's the bigger picture reason. Everybody crying about this like the Bertuzzi trade. I like how Brad of all people is championing a 2nd rd pick like it's gonna land an all star in this draft. Preach assets mumbo jumbo my butt.
All of these fans with their blind faith for Yzerman and chastizing anyone who questions Yzerman's moves, are ridiculous. Maybe thisnleads to a better move, but if this just a move to free up a roster spot, then this is a terrible trade.
Kane don't like Wallman and demanded the trade if he was to stay a redwing.
My prediction is they moved out one Gibson to help make room for another.
Not happy with a few YSER PLAN moves going back to last year,,at least 2 bad D men signings last year, Stevie is getting alot of OUT OF JAIL cards because is name is YSERMAN,, over paid on a couple of other contracts,,,ie. Copp..I hope that the heat is on because this is NUTS !!!!
I'll be mad If they now extend Ghost for more than Wallman had, the guy is terrible defender when it's 5 on 5.
Clearly Steve knows more about Walman than the 4 of you combined. There must be more to the injury that kept him out late in the season.
If it wasn't for the ridiculous Griddy celebrations nobody would really care about Walman.
Thats what I'm saying, I do like walman but his 21 points in 63 games is replaceable
@@stevensimpson8231Walman would go long stretches without doing anything, then score a goal and do the griddy and fans and media would go crazy. Then long stretches of nothing. I can guarantee that Stevie called around to see what he could get for him and probably was told a late round pick and salary retained. Most teams aren't dumb and knew the move was a salary dump.
@joshrountree1326 exactly, our fan base over valued him more than the rest of the league
This is such a stupid take that I’m not surprised it’s getting likes. He had personality AND he was also a competent defenseman. Not just these guys who do this for a living, but every league analyst online has been saying he’s a solid player and it’s an odd trade.
@chettajohnson5261 you can think what you want, but 39 points in 106 games getting top 4 min is nothing special, he's ok defensively but hes not amazing, I like walman but this move will not make a difference on detroits defense , someone had to go with edvinsson and Johansson coming up next year, moving Matta, Petry, holl is near impossible
The Red Wings got more for Andrew Gibson than Jake Walman - genuinely the worst trade steve yzerman has ever done! I question his perspective extremely now, the only way I could remotely be happy for something like this is if we make a big play for a Zegras + Gibson or sign a Reinhart in FA or bring in Stamkos + Kane
Following the team closely its pretty clear they have very high expectations for Edvinsson and Johansson.
It is definitely surprising Walman was cap dumped even though he was pretty bad for long streches last year.
Yzerman essentially dumped Walman for Andrew Gibson so not really a big loss.
Really starting to like the Steve does things
It's good we didn't do what Iyer wanted last year and signed him for 8 years lol.
It's a tough pill to swallow as a fan of this team watching us give away 2 assets in Gibson and Walman to clear cap space when 25% of our cap is being used on our 5 worst players. Stevie's signings in 2022 and 2023 are having consequences now.
One of the things I was happy about this offseason was that Steve didn't have a ton of money to go and get more Andrew Copps or Ben Chairots.
Which would mean we are going to see some of these draft picks that we have accumulated for being one of the worst teams in the league over the last decade.
So much for that.
Now he can sign more meh to below meh free agents, and keep guys like Mazur in Grand Rapids,
or resign Ghost.
Even lower expectations for this upcoming season.
I also love, all of the Yzerfans tripping over themselves to throw Jake under the bus.
Non NHL GMs. Having a non GM NHL conversation.
Gibson stinks
The Yzerstans doing the craziest mental gymnastics to defend this move. This is the horrible asset management. I do think Brad is overly negative and critical at times, but agreed. Moving a 2nd made no sense. Like you said, throw him on waivers first before attaching a 2nd to get rid of his contract (which isn't even that bad). I'm also coping that maybe future considerations is San Jose claims Holl if we throw him on waivers as a way of getting around his NTC is SJ is on his no trade list
But can’t waivers not happen for another month or two
Wings will miss playoffs again.
Lets go spend 6milly on another 3rd line center 😂
Chiarot is a worse Defender than Walman he also makes 4 mil + he should have been traded .
What if Yzerman is just a bad GM?
Careful don't say that too loudly because the Yzerman defenders who think he's god will come for you in the night. 😂
I'm with ya, he's just not as good as people think.
And you all can do better or hire better right? You all know every in and out of this org and the NHL right? Go switch teams pal. We don’t want you’re un loyal a s s
By all means, we MUST keep Petry and Holl. They are our future and Walman is a goner.
Tongue in cheek is always welcome.
😭😭😭
Shoutout the people in the comments doing any mental gymnastics possible to defend yzerman at all costs 🤣🤣
Sorry to say this I have always been a staunch Yzerman defender, and I am not trashing him now but I can say without any hesitation that Jim Nill was the best GM back when the core of the contending team was coming to the end of its run. By 2010 everyone had realized that Holland was not a cap era GM he had two deputies under him at the time Yzerman and Nill. Both who were ready to run their own teams, I have decided absolutely that Nill was the best of them. Look at what he has done with Dallas and he has turned that team over a couple of times already. Back when he started in Dallas the red Wings were desperate for a top center - at the time - and all we heard was - yeah so is everyone else - so Holland signed Stephen Weiss and then Franz Nielsen . Within 2 weeks of being GM in Dallas - Nill swung a trade for Tyler Seguin - which at the time was unthinkable . I am not getting my hopes up for this coming year , I keep thinking about how last season would have been if - - Alex Lyon had not played 30 something games most way above expectations and signed Patrick Kane - which was a completely fluke that he was available , could still play at a high level and wanted to try his comeback with the wings. Imagine how last season looks without those two ! that is not pretty
The one thing I'll say, beyond just being surprised; I'm sure SY was in contact with several teams, and this must have been among the best options.
While it looks weird, giving up a 2nd surely wasn't his starting point so other teams must not value Walman as much as we do.
According to Servalli, teams were surprised by the sweetener and wondered why they didn’t know about the deal. That tells me Yzerman didn’t do his job. Walman has value and he was given away for nothing.
Seravalli is full of shit lol@@justinridenour3868
@justinridenour3868 If true, then either SY didn't do his due diligence, or maybe there is something more coming. For example, maybe they worked out a deal for potential movement in the draft or "Don't draft this guy if he's there" type agreement. They're sitting at 14 and 15 in the draft, so it makes some sense. Also, it makes sense that part wouldn't be announced.
I'm definitely not saying this is what's going on, but the speed and oddness of the deal makes it seem like something else is happening.
Oh bullshit. Perfect example of trying to justify a terrible, unacceptable move by SY.
Friedman said that multiple gm's didn't know that Walman was getting dealt. This is god awful trade by Yzerman
Should’ve sent Copp too
and Fabbri
@@willlenn172 Copp Compher Fabbri and one more player I forget =$14 million🤢
I don’t mind losing Jake Walman. I just hope we don’t lose Patrick Kane, or I will be upset
Have been thinking about this quite a bit today, here's my theory: this feels a lot like Bill Guerin last year "getting his business done" early. Yzerman knows he has to clear cap and move a defenseman. Yzerman HATES dealing from a position of weakness. Yzerman was scared he'd be stuck with all the mediocre overpaid defenseman near the end of the offseason and no one would be willing to help him get out from under one of them.
But i can't believe he let that get to his head to the point of giving a high quality asset away to trade the only one of those defenseman who actually has a shot to reach his contract value. It should've either been the 2nd attached to a worse defenseman, or just walman (no 2nd attached) to move him. Yzerman just set the market for his own player at a much lower value than he needed to
The guy has once again proved he is over his head in this job. He continues to make bonehead trades and signings, why you ask, The guy is really not very smart.
I could totally see Walman and a THIRD round pick to SJ. Makes total sense.
SJ demanded the second round pick for some great reason or concern to
@@benjaminbrewer7614 He is having to make risky moves due to non lottery luck and in his own iffy results drafting after the 1st round there is no depth of quick talent. SY has not found any late round gems which I put squarely on Draper's scouting techniques.
Shayne Gostisbehere is awful defensively so that's a hard no for me
For once I agree with Prashanth
If they could have got a return for him, they would have. I have no idea why most of the league doesn’t want him. It doesn’t make sense.
I'm shocked
Walman was our #2 defenseman and NOBODY was taking about something happened to Walman's motivation after the first of the year. Here are a couple of abnormalities that I recognized:
-He gave up on a 2 on 1 near the end of a period goal scored. I commented to a friend, why was he on his heels coasting?
-He toe picked and went head first into his own net and was never the same.
-He had only 1 assist in his last 31 games!
-He only had 42 hits in 63 games for a defenseman is not normal. But he had a respectable amount of blocked shots.
Assumption:
He was playing hurt and perhaps management felt he could play through it or there was tension there and the two parties expectations were far apart.
Also wth happened with Klim Kostin $2 million player who didn't suit up vs Florida got our ass kicked and Klim was given away.
*Jury is out on Steve not Stevie anymore. He drafts well and his free agency acquisitions favoring veterans over over ripe players in the minors is very suspect.
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In order to cap dump a player, there contract must outweigh there ability to help the team. What I would call this is a talent dump, because he was our 2nd best dman lately, and is electric when he’s on his game. How you don’t cap dump holl petry maatta or chiarot is an outrage. Stevie better cook something ridiculously great this offseason, or I’ve seen about enough
Walman had near record time logged, and was also healthy scratched often near years end.
I think there's a layer of mistrust coming from somewhere within the organization.
They even put Vrana on waivers…
-12 last 10 games basically the playoffs
I just thought of something that could possibly make this trade make sense, what if the future considerations in this trade was salary retention on a player in a potential future 3-way trade involving San Jose?
San Jose can't retain on any more contracts, unfortunately.
@@WingedWheelPodcast that makes sense, was unaware of that
Andrew Gibson was a second round pick last draft and if Jake Walman had no value that you add a second round pick.
That’s means the other defenseman can’t be traded unless you give up more then a second round pick and Andrew Copp also likely won’t be traded.
David Perron better not be signed for 3 million.
Yzerman will be fired when they miss the playoffs again because of is terrible free agent signings.
Best Take Brad's ever had. Absolutely love Brad though he pisses me off w/ opinion on Berggren.
So Glad everyone is onboard w/ the waivers thing.
Now this question needs to be brought up to SY by local media (That would be you right Bultman?)
Thanks
Plz sum1... explain giving up a 2nd rounder for nothing make sense...
Walman was THAT awful??? 🤔?
I was not happy about trading Walman. But atleast trade him to a team where we could get something for him. Let alone adding a second round pick!!!
Doom and gloom from all 3 of you on this move, the entire episode was describing the moment, not looking at what's to come, there's something cooking with this trade, I think Ryan said it best. "This could be an entirely different team" after the smoke clears, the team and fans loved Walman, he's the first piece of an active chain of events about to be sent into gear.... watch the next two weeks and you'll see... things are about to go down
The problem is that it was an idiotic move and I don't trust Yzerman to not make more idiotic moves. It is his style.
And if that chain of events doesn't occur, what do you say then? If this is just moving a guy to make space for young guys, why would you not get rid of Holl or Petry instead?
@@thewickedone2676well sure if nothing happens……grow up
@kob141 Grow up? You know, I could say the same to all of those pushing blind faith in Yzerman like he's Santa Claus or something. I don't think there's any big moves coming, which means this move was terrible. Could've put Petry or Holl on waivers or attached a pick to them to clear roster spots. Not even trying to put Walman on waivers and giving a 2nd round pick to get rid of him, without having some sort of immediate blockbuster reason to do so, is just asinine, in my opinion.
Maybe SJ wanted the Wings to cover some salary and SY was willing to throw a 2nd rounder to keep $3.4M.
He overpaid to get the deal done in time. Maybe who could of waited it out but unfortunately the draft and free agency are almost here.
Traded the wrong $3.4M contract and defenseman!
I will preface this by saying I don't get this move but I am waiting to see how it all plays out. That out of the way one thing I will defend Stevie on is I think we are putting a bit too much into the 2nd round pick given to SJ. If you think about it it was essentially the same as putting Walman on waivers. SJ clearly wanted a 2nd so DET swapped equal prospects with NSH so that's a wash and got a 2nd round pick so they could give it to SJ without giving them their own 2nd so really all we did was swap prospects and give Walman to SJ for free, now I do think we probably could have gotten at least a pick for Walman but I think we are putting to much into that 2nd round pick.
No matter what, this trade sucks so you don’t really need to see how it plays out. Freeing up 3.4M in cap space is great but not at the expense of giving away a quality player and a pick for free.
Evan?
Thanks guys!
I dont get why everyone is so up set he had 39 points in 106 game's hes definitely replaceable, I think this fan base over values him
He plays defense
This is a set up for a draft day trade between the two teams. There's got to be a situation during the draft that the wings and sharks agreed to. So this trade is not complete imo. Future considerations is actually going to be quite beneficial this time i think lol. Steve have been doing this for so long and here we are thinking this was for no reason lol. Theres always a reason guys.
Would love a trade up, but to the #1 overall? It would take a lot of big assets than what occurred yesterday. Or are you thinking trading up to #14 if a certain player is still available?
That is what I was thinking. Maybe if a player is available at the Sharks own second round pick Detroit gets first trade proposal review or something like that. Maybe something like if a target out of Freij, Emery, or Luckenko or Connelly fall into second round. Have to think there is more to it. Maybe adding the second was to be a down payment to put 14 in play.
@thenickfoxx There's no good reason. Yzerman is merely the most over rated executive in sports.
I am with you, Nick. It's likely to move from 15 up to 14, which SJS owns the 14.
If it's walman, our 15, a 2nd to move up to 14, it kind of makes sense
Furthermore, if we were only to receive something low val like a 7th, why the future considerations? Doesn't make sense.
@@andybaker4450 whatever you say, random youtube commenter that no one cares about.
Man nothing screams more “I watch hockey through Microsoft Excel” than every single thing Prashanth said during this podcast.
😂😂 so dry
Brad and Prashanth. Boys. Grow up. The value is what it was. Is the argument yzerman got fleeced?
More specifically Prashanth arm chair GMing is hilarious. You would have been hired if you were right bud.
I have been defending Yzerman as a GM for the last few years. I think this trade has pushed me over to be a little sour on Yzerman being our GM. With all the few bad moves he has made with free agency along with this trade, Edvinson not getting enough playing time this season and this trade has me wondering if i should trust the Yzerplan.
Edvinsson has had problems with both of his shoulders for several years. It is about the side that he did not perform a very difficult operation on last year. Few remember that he fell badly and hit that side during his last junior year.
The fact that he is not a player in RW right from the start is an important step in his rehab to build up his upper body over time. Once he's up, it's also an evaluation of how his body feels, as important matches are at stake for RW at the end of the season. So a year of rehab and lots of time in the AHL and NHL gives him the best chance to get back on track for next season. Am not gone blame S.Y for that call...
@@billjohansson88 I get that he was coming off an injury before last year and that they signed Holl and traded for Petry because of that. But when Yzerman said that if a prospect earns his spot, he will make room for him. It didnt hold true with Edvinson last year. It was arguable that he could have made the roster from training camp, but i get it. It was a travesty that he wasnt on the roster sooner than he was with all the defensive issues we had last year. Thats why i hold Steve accountable on that.
sent the wrong guy. loved wally as a human and as a player. battled last injury last year after facing insane deployment. hate the move. better be something big coming
edit: u also dont trade good players for nothing
I am not looking forward to him doing the Griddy against the Wings.
JK. - Thats why he was traded too SJ and not someone else, as S.Y doesn't appreciate his Griddy move. Wallman will be the best defender they have now and Wallman is not known for scoring goals left and right. Back to reality, more likely SJ is the third party in a future deal waiting to be closed here.
Lastly, the sharks can deal walman at next years trade deadline....and we will all feel that the asset management pain even more. You guys are all dialed in, and this is a left field move to contemplate as well. Thanks for your awesome work here as always!
Yzerman could trade Larkin for future considerations and the Yzerbots would say “they cleared cap space”. You know you’re allowed to criticize bad trades right? There were other moves to be made then to give away your 2nd-3rd best D for nothing and attach a pick onto him.
They spent half an hour criticizing the trade, did you listen to the whole thing? Or were you talking about the comments
@@chettajohnson5261 Comments, the wwp guys always have pretty reasonable takes in my opinion
Finally people are starting to recognize this rebuild has gone terribly. Unfortunately, I think the Red Wings will need to rebuild the rebuild in a few years when it's clear this isn't a playoff team and none of their prospects coming will be major difference makers. They should have kept tanking after drafting Raymond. Now they've locked themselves into a mid team.
100% - Yzerman deciding to step on the gas the bedard draft year made zero sense. we had legit zero prospects still and he decided to go crazy in FA with Chiarot and Copp contracts which are now affecting the team
Yeah that has always been my thought all along. Call me strange but overpaying for other teams cast offs only the make the playoffs and get run in 4 or 5 games - why would anyone think that is success. And yeah everyone always says - if you get into the tournament anything can happen - Come on can anyone seriously look you in the eye and tell you that the red wings as presently constructed stand a chance in a series against Florida , Edmonton, Dallas, Rangers just as an example of the final 4 teams this year - the red wings have no legitimate chance of competing against any of those teams. Nor could you point to one element of the game that they are better than any of them. I mean lets be serious
Lmao yeah dude, constant improvement in the standings year to year after inheriting a disaster has "gone terribly". Keep complaining, I'm sure it'll help. If we weren't improving then sure, but that's not the case. Sounds like everyone's getting over emotional. That's why Steve is the gm, he's able to make tough choices and not get all emotional about it.
When you talk about "rebuild" I think the last weekend of the season was a perfect barometer - Montreal started their rebuild well after Detroit did - they have some left over players with bad contracts from when they were trying to go on a cup run - like Anderson, Gallagher but they also committed to playing and developing their prospects - and they are loaded with them - Slafkovsky is going to be a star - Suzuki , Caufield are locked up long term - they have a lot of very promising prospects like Lane Hutson. I know the red wings beat them over that weekend but when you look at team who's stock is rising - I like Montreal's much better than seeing what Detroit is rolling out - I have never understood the decision to sign all these overvalued free agent contracts - taking playing time away from prospects - if it is rebuilding that we are supposed to be doing
@@DazzerrPlays I could handle overpaying Chiarot he provides some toughness at least on a team that sorely lacks that , Copp - they were paying a # 3 center to step up his play and be a # 2 and he is not capable, So I can accept that not every move can be a homerun but combine that with Holl - collectively - and that is pretty dismal. Everyone makes mistakes but accepting that - getting rid of them and moving on is what the great GMs do
This team is doomed. Larkin is made of glass. Raymond and Seider are going to demand super star pay and they dont deserve it yet. Copp, Petry, Holl.. Yzerman isn't a god. He obviously got lucky in Tampa with good picks and its entirely possible hes not the best GM that we thought he was.
Al Murray the super scout may have made Yzerman look better than he is
The Yzerplan is a joke. This screams incompetence.