Amiga Computer Buyers Guide 2022
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
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With so many devices that run Amiga software in 2022 I thought I would do a video for new and old users explaining the whole scene and systems that are currently available for sale when back in stock.
This video is a follow up to my previous 'Where to buy Amiga' videos:
Where to buy Amiga in 2018 -
• Where to buy Amiga in ...
Where to buy Amiga in 2013 -
• Where to buy Amiga in ...
Links:
Retro Passion - www.retropassion.co.uk/
Pure Amiga - www.pureamiga.co.uk/
Analogic Computers - www.analogic.co.uk/
AmigaKit - amigakit.com/
Amiga Forever - www.amigaforever.com/
A500 Mini - retrogames.biz/products/thea5...
PiMiga - www.retro32.com/pimiga/210220...
Amikit - www.amikit.amiga.sk/
Armiga - www.armigaproject.com/
Minimig - www.minimig.ca/
UnAmiga Reloaded - www.arananet.net/pedidos/prod...
FPGA Mister - misteraddons.com/
Mister Multisytem - rmcretro.store/multisystem-bo...
Mist 1.4 - lotharek.pl/productdetail.php...
Neptuno - www.antoniovillena.es/store/p...
MultiCore 2+ - loja.victortrucco.com/multico...
SiDi Fpga - manuferhi.com/p/sidi
Sam460LE - shop.acube-systems.biz/sam-mo...
00:00 Introduction
01:00 PCBWay Promotion
01:30 Refurbished classic Amigas
03:03 Retailers
04:33 Software Emulation
05:30 A500 Mini
07:17 Raspberry Pi
08:32 Amiga Forever
09:09 Armiga
10:00 Dedicated Amiga FPGA
10:54 Minimig
13:11 UnAmiga
14:23 Vampire V4 Standalone
15:40 FPGA Multi Systems
16:00 FPGA Mister
18:02 Mist 1.4
19:02 NeptUNO
20:05 Multicore 2+
20:45 Sidewinder FPGA
22:50 Amiga Next Generation
23:38 Sam460
25:29 A1222 Tabor
25:26 Mega 65
21:15 Outro
Videos used:
10Marc - / 10minuteamigaretrocast
Dan Wood - / techguruuk
RMC - / rmcretro
Amigos Retro Gaming - / amigosretrogaming
GadgetUk - / gadgetuk164
Simon Kiovukoski - / @simo.koivukoski
AnoUK33 - / anouk33
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I bought TheA500mini. It emulates well enough and has a cool controller.
I have real Amigas too but rarely power them on because of monitor issues.
The days of affordable classic Amiga's are indeed almost gone. One really need to know were to look for a good deal these days. After all. It is 30 years since the 1200 were released. I went for a semi refurbished route, in regards to my machines. I bought them cheap within the last 5 years or so. Fixed them up and slowly upgraded whenever I had the money. The process of owning a good upgraded 1200 these days, can take up to one year, if you dont want to spend a lot in one go. And indeed a good recapping cost money, not cheap, if you want a good job. Like I bought my 1200 as a rust pile, for a low cost, and the first I did was to get it recapped. Then slowly I bought stuff like new membrane. But I fully understand people want something here and now. Just be patient and learn a couple of new skill's here and there.
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@@MasterControl90original grande :) ci si becca su twitch,porta un po' di amiga
Many thanks for these :)
Great video, thanks!
Thank you!!
My last Amiga buy was an Amiga 4000T for $600AUD. I couldn't believe my luck. I never imaged I'd ever find one.
A computer store near me, in the early 2000,s had STACKS of used 1000,s 500's, etc...
and peripherals just stacked all over the store! Wish I had bought them all!
The best "mini" is the Raspberry Pi 400 and it does so many other systems.
Looking forward to watching this one. We need more vids from you 😄👍
What you see in 4:52 is AmiKit - a modern retro Amiga emulator for Windows, macOS, Linux, Raspberry Pi and Vampirized Amiga too.
its a great option. I will cover it in more detail in a later video
@@Djformula Please do so, it saved us in darkest hours and is best AmigaOS option today
Wow, I had no idea how many more options there were and I have been following!
This is what the Amiga community needed.. Awesome video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@Djformula we need more informative videos like this. so the world knows that there is activity. it is so important I think.
Really great video!
Great information Ravi! There are a few systems on there I had forgotten about! What a ton of choices we have. I own a few of the virtual Amigas, like the Raspberry Pi and the UnAmiga, but I always go back to the real hardware. It is all just personal choice foe sure!
It’s crazy to think how much choice we had compared to even a few years ago. Thanks for the comment mate
hey ravi, great update and content as usual, top notch :)
Glad your enjoying it
I was searching for exactly the same video which would tell me about all the variants of the Amiga computer available out there so this is it and I have to thank you for this.
Really glad I can help. The market is so confusing
Useful video, thumbs up.
Fantastic information... 😀
Very thorough video. For someone not sentimentally attached to Amiga, getting an old Amiga for big bucks and then spending even more for repairs doesn't seem cost effective. The newer emulation options seem the way to go.
Nothing competes like the real thing, proud owner of a Amiga 500 and 1200 😁
Your right. If I hadn't bought my Amigas years ago for very few dollars I wouldn't be buying them now as I was more an Atari person. It's hardly worth buying any popular retro computers now. Some people are willing to spend thousands but I'm not.
Thank you so much for the shoutout!!! :-)
Great service you are offering
Brilliant and extremely enjoyable video to watch. As a past Amiga 1200 owner that went and foolishly sold it all for a silly price, i'm using software emulation for my love of the Amiga games and Demo's. First i have WinUAE on my Windows 10 pc but i did use FS-UAE in the past until their latest release doesn't have a "Windows Installer". So i've gone back to using WinUAE again, which i really do love it. Second i'm running Amibian on R/Pi 3b+ which is soon going into a real Amiga 1200 casing which i'm soon to be purchasing from Retro Passion. I have all the other components ready for this ( slim USB 2 hub,cables and a very sought after "Keyrah v2" board. Once my A1200 casing is ordered and arrives i'll be putting it all together. Can not wait.
I have one Brazilian Multicore 2+, and it's a quite good device. About price, it costs about US$280 for the basic unit, bit if we were to import an equivalent one from abroad it would cost about the same (we have steep import taxes), so it's a relief we can buy it here in Brazil.
super great, informative video. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
I LOVE my A500 Mini! I have it rigged up to run thousands of Amiga programs and games! Plus pandora! C-64 and MANY others! Cool viddy!
Great job!
Thanks Chris
Great summary of the huge number of options out there. I was wondering about the board that allows you to plug a Raspberry into the 68k socket. I get the impression that it effectively turns your Amiga into a software emulation but not quite that simple
That's the PiStorm and it's not that simple indeed, with Emu68 (that's a baremetal 68K CPU emulator) the Amiga thinks it's talking to a 68040 CPU and that's where the emulation also stops only the CPU is emulated nothing else.
The clever bit is that the rest of of the Raspberry Pi hardware is exposed to the Amiga and the OS, and trough drivers can natively use all the hardware on the pi if provided with a proper Amiga driver.
Currently the Amiga can:
-Use the RAM on the Pi up to 2GB as Fast RAM (the max RAM AmigaOS can address)
-Use the micro SD card slot as a harddrive
-Use the Pi GFX chipset as a RTG card to have a nice workbench in modern resolutions and 32bit color depth in 1080P for example.
-Other drivers such as ethernet/wifi, 2D gfx acceleration are planned/worked on.
Because there's no host OS on the pi (it just loads the very small Emu68 binary) initialization time at power on is very short like 1 or 2 seconds before the Amiga starts booting.
The result is that you get a crazy/stupid fast classic Amiga at an affordable price.
Currently I'm running a PiStorm32 with a Pi4 @2.2Ghz in my A1200, if you ever wondered how fast a 1Ghz+ 68060 Amiga would be then here's your chance.
And where only scratching the surface now, there's a lot of potential still left unused within the pi, if provided with proper drivers the Amiga could also utilize the GPU trough Warp3D, the hardware video encoder/decoder, USB etc.
Long story short it's actually the Amiga that takes control of Raspberry pi 😄
Great video.
Brilliant vid 👍👋
Awesome video, Ravi! There is just so much choice, it's great to have such a helpful overview thank you! I took a look on Pi Hut and unfortunately the DE Nano board they sell is *not* the DE10 Nano board needed for the MiSTer so please do not buy that one. A shame as it was a good price! ;)
Great video, very useful. Mini for me I think.
Good to hear!
I thought I knew all the Amiga options, then you came along and told me otherwise! Thanks for my Amiga fix as I can't get enough of Amiga related stuff!
Hahah cannot get enough Amiga! I know what you mean
Yeah yeah but still owning a genuine Amiga is way better than emulating one all be it on a dedicated SBC (single board computer) in your heart you know it's not a Amiga, so glad I'm the owner of a Amiga 500 and 1200 😁
@@Thunderstormworld I have an Amiga 500 Plus and an Amiga 1200.
Thanks for the info.
Any time!
Nice one Ravi :-)
I picked up a refurb (recapped, timing mods, etc) A1200. It was expensive but absolutely worth it in terms of entertainment. I went with RetroPassion and I am 100% happy with the work.
Must have been pricy
Amiga enthusiasts' obsession with price is puzzling to me. These platforms are every bit as interesting and historically relevant as NeXT, SGI, or LISP Machine hardware. If you want the market to continue to support your platform then you should be willing to pay for the software and devices that sellers produce/refurb/etc.
@@hessex1899 That's a really pedantic way of tackling the concept of the immense cost of these machines. They are... very expensive. Why is that a difficult fence to jump over?
I run an emulator and call it a day.
Nice video Ravi
Thanks!
Great mentions of FPGA device choices. SiDi is based off MiST, mostly its a cheaper version of the same design but using a newer (but very slightly smaller) FPGA chip. NeptUNO seems to be Amiga only now. MiSTer has the most developers at the moment, but cores have been back ported to SiDi and MiST.
Thanks for the background it’s hard to tell the difference between devices. Hopefully it will help people looking to purchase one.
Happy to help, been using these since the MiST days in 2013 😅 Never tried an OG Minimig, though
Using real Amigas you forget what’s out there in terms of the Amiga
Some I’ve seen and used and others never heard off ... so much information in the video cheers for this Ravi
Very true
I've tried SBC and emulation yet it still doesn't give me the same feeling as using my Amiga 1200 and 500 does (oh sorry I said it aloud that I have 2 Amiga's I can already feel the envy 😁 ) but using them and hearing the floppy disc's 💾 working is what's lacking with these newer ones, oh yes I own external floppies and some expansion cards for graphics ext. not to mention the loads of floppy discs with programs and games and CD's, but now I must sadly say I don't own the CD drive, wish I can get hold of a CD drive that works, willing to swop floppy 💾 with programs I never use for a CD drive.
@@Thunderstormworld I do one better 1200 600 and a 500 all kept from 1992/95 .. I totally get where you coming from with the floppies and the sound of the drive my 170mb hard drive has that slow boot turning the a1200 on sometimes misses the spin and the kickstart boot screen appears which I missed once I put a hard drive in . I got lucky with a eBay purchase a good few years ago and got an Aiwia acd-300 with a stunning led front display, my cousin had one and ever since, I always wanted one for mine 100% real hardware over emulation
I expected some mention of the recent Pi based accellerators/expansions, re-created motherboards for ...well nearly all models and now including the AA3000++, physical chip re-creation projects (including Buster 12), the FPGAArcade (v1/v2), and hopefully the inclusion of the ultimately powerful Amiga the ATI/Phillips HDL 1000 in the "big picture" of models.
I will be mentioning those in future videos this one was mostly focussed on machines you can purchase at the time
You missed my NG Amiga - AmigaOne X5000 ! Good video though; very informative.
I bought the 500 mini but don’t really use it. I bought it hoping that if enough sell they will make a full size amiga or better yet make a USB amiga keyboard that can be connected to the mini.
3:04 these websites are awesome - its amazing how much excitement there is in the modern day for the Amiga. I wish other platforms had the same support - you would expect Apple to be just as sophisticated and well supported but seems not?
I own one of the first Amiga, an Amiga 1000, then had a 500 then a 2000. I still got the 2000 and I only use emulation for Amiga apps. There is no sense on buying an old Amiga at those today prices. Emulation is good enough.
Yeh its expensive for sure
If someone could make an amiga like the c65 in thr wedge case but with some modern updates that would be cool kind of a half way house between classic and next gen
Superb video! Is it still relevant for 2024? (Any thoughts on a version for this year?).
The worst thing I ever did was throw out my towered Amiga to make some room in the attic 😥 I really regret being so stupid 😔
Liked and subbed 👍🏻
Sorry to comment on this video after 8 months, but, the Amiga itch had to be scratched. I too have decided to wander into the Amiga world after having zero experience with it over my lifetime. I have experience with everything else on just about every platform and I am old enough that when Amigas hit the market, I would have been a late 20 something year old. I love your video and the pathway overview. I did not do enough research before jumping right into it, starting with a very overpriced A1200 on eBay a month or so ago. Since then I have been drinking from the AmigaOS/Workbench fire hose and "upgrading" my already upgraded 1200. Now that I am where I am, I have to disagree with the idea that "new to Amiga" users should not delve into the last path, that of the SAM and A-EON. For me, I prefer the polished look and functionality it offers, but with the legacy OS. That seems really where I will wind up. So why not go there first and save some money. If things do pick back up with that whole scene, I will be the first in line. X5000's are no where to be found. I kinda like the Vampire, but it seems to have some compatibility issues. There is a fully built X5000 system (of course out of stock on Alenia Computer's website) for 2399 euros. I would purchase something like that in a heartbeat. I hope things will work themselves out with who owns what and becomes a solid unified something.
I have an odd question. What if you have an Amiga CD32 with a Terrible Fire 330, is there a upgrade path that makes sense or is this a pretty good setup? I mainly would use it to play Amiga games. I am from the USA.
my first computer was an Amiga
Given the absurd price of the Vampire, you're better off with the PiStorm, imho.
Raspi400 with Amikit :)
Hi, for the games included in Amiga forever, do we need to own the original game disks?
What about WinUae which is free emulation. When you but Amiga forever your essentially buying the kickstart roms and then been given an older version of winuae.
I got a A600 the one i got 30 years +ago. A Hdd was installed at one point. And now i cant run it properly. Id love to refurbish it. Id have to check out the options. My problem is i dont have a joystick anymore.emulators have one big problem the different config needed for each game you run.. or they will run to fast
I still own a Amiga 500 and a Amiga 1200 😁
And both are still working 😁
I'm a completely new to trying to do anything Amiga, but had a question around the last category, the Power PC. Can you just find older Macs that had a Power PC internal and run Amiga OS on them? Or is there some kind of a huge hurdle setting that up?
Yes you can! Check out Morphos operating system. It works on the Mac minis and old ppc macs. Install it for free and install the chrysalis pack and you will have a good Amiga environment. You do emulation via fs-uae. I will actually be doing a guide on it soon.
If you are thinking AmigaOS 4, then no. You can use MorphOS that is an Amiga inspired OS. An PPC Mac however, is not a real Amiga in that sence. And you really need to look for the right Mac model for MorphOS. I have a Mac Mini G4 1.42 ghz machine and that is fully compatible with MorphOS. And no matter what new gen Amiga you choose to own, you still need an emulator to run the old Amiga games. You are basically left with emulation, fpga or classic hardware as the only choices, if you want to run games from the late 80's and early 90's.
@@Djformula Will be looking forward for the guide :D
@@brostenen Thanks for the detailed answer :)
@@tsuikagura No probs. For classic gaming, and those with money. Then I always recommend the following setup.
- Amiga 1200 fully recapped.
- Tsunami1230 or TF1230 accelerator.
- IndivisionAGA-MK3 scandoubler.
- Kickstart 3.1
- Angled and buffered CF-IDE adaptor.
- 16 or 32 gb CF Card.
- One of the ready made HD Image with WHD Loader.
Just make sure that the 1200 motherboard are fully compatible with the accelerator. As some boards need a timing fix for certain accelerators to be stable. My revision 1D1 runs stable without the fix. However some early revisions need the timer bug fix. Other accelerators from the 90's have buffers enough to get around that bug.
For people that dont care for the physical look of the hardware and are only interrested in the games them self and nothing else, then just go for a Mister or minimig.
Those that are not that picky about full authentic look and feel in games, then go for some kind of emulation on something like PI400 or something. A500-Mini if you want the most easy way.
For those that are interrested in NewGen Amiga, then start with MacMini G4 1.42 if you can find one for cheap. Else go with the real Amiga NG boards, because the Mac Mini would be too expensive for what you get. Also. Real AmigaNG's can run both AmigaOS4 and MorphOS. Plus Linux of course. You get way more for the money, though they are still more expensive than fully expanded 1200 in tower case and with PCI slots and all that.
Picked up a 500 Mini for £95 In CEX with 2 year warranty. Have a 500 Plus, a 600 & a 1200 with hard drive 🤔
If there is a God, we will get an Amiga A500 Maxi i’m not interested in the mini, but I would pay real money for the maxi. Great now you got me dreaming of a A500 maxi😢 But until then Amiga Forever 9 forever😂
anyone know what these who own the rights to Amiga want to do with it besides selling more (COMPACT DISCS). Do they have any plans for new hardware. ?
Can any Amiga surf the modern internet like a PC or a MAC?
Always got love for the amiga, bought the 1200 back when I was a student at college, happy memories!
Can't believe all the options now available!
I still own a Amiga 500 and 1200 😁
So I get to be the Negitive Nacy? Where's MorphOS? My Mac Mini still kicking in full HDMI (DVI = HDMI if you didn't know), I could also see the Amitlon being group in the emulatons though its bare metal. I have a suprer build I need to do. I have about $120 invested Old PC Hardware for the build. I look forward to the day I have the Amiga, PC, and Mac on my desktop and they are all running Amiga Explorer. =D
This guide was more about which computers you can buy then os, I do mention sam460 which supports it. I love morphos so will defiantly be doing some content on it soon.
MorphOS is sitting in a dark room along with AROS x86 and Amiga OS4, and they're all sobbing uncontrollably, their tiny little kernels on the verge of one final Guru Meditation, before they board the celestial ethernet and head to digital heaven. May their pixels rest in peace. 😉
Minimig with a real 68k running @ 42 Mhz housed in a A500 Maxi case for me :)
Not interested in the Vampire, might as well just run a raspberry pi
Personally, I think you have to be a complete lunatic (sorry, I mean "extremely dedicated and wealthy enthusiast") to buy a so called "Next Gen" Amiga these days. 😉 For an Amiga inspired OS, AROS x86 is free and runs on cheap hardware. Every "next gen" OS uses emulation to run classic Amiga software anyway, so you might as well do that on something far cheaper and more powerful than an old, expensive PPC chip fitted in an expensive but limited motherboard. Hyperion could do far worse than port OS4 to ARM. Their sales would increase by an order of magnitude. Yep, they'd sell 10 copies per year rather than 1. 😁
A-Eon also make the X1000 & X5000
I was thinking about including them but seem to be out of stock everywhere for a few years and 6 years old.
I would love to find a great deal on an A1200 but the prices are just too crazy. I'm better off with a Mister.
And A1200 mini with 060 power, where are? And bacause not?
The mini amiga was not out when this video was made
I have no idea what became of my old Amiga from back in the day
Most likely ended up in landfill
Seems a lot more of these emulator boards for Amiga than the Atari ST. I guess most people here don't like Atari but I still do.
I love the atari, I think a few of the boards work in both like the vampire, I remember there was an atari mode on it
Ravi you the god damn man
Cheers!
@@Djformula Double dat!
ARMiga "out of stock at the moment"? - They discontunied the project about 4 years ago!
there are lots of system, i can only go by what the sites say
@@Djformula Of course - someone should tell the site! They dropped the project before it even got out of BETA, and just after an update brought a flakey attempt at 1200 support. The version with a drive could not load disks and was just there to rip "unprotected" disks to ADF. The OS was nice and games ran OK mostly, bt demo's ran like treacle.. and then crashed, mostly . Despite dropping the physical hardware the makers did promise to keep the software alive with future updates but this didn't happen. At least nothing has arrived in the last 4 years.
The Amiga was a great system, but I don't have much hope for a next-gen Amiga. After Commodore's bankruptcy Amiga felt in many little pieces and different people and companies wanted to do something with all these pieces (or just make money with it). Now I see at least 5 big problems:
1. After Commodore there was no company that made Amiga's. There were attemts, but the Amiga pieces are in the hands of many different companies. Not one. This makes that the Amiga goes in all directions. There's no clear line or future plan.
The Amiga is a computer system without a company.
2. Most people don't know the Amiga system and there's no advertisement because there are no new Amiga products. Yes there is the X-5000 but let's be honest, that's a niche product of a company most people never heard of.
Other products are toys to play games. Not productivity computers.
3. The Amiga has nothing to offer what other computers can't do.
4. We live in a post PC era. People use tablets and smartphones for most tasks.
5. The Amiga OS is old. Can you imagine people would use Mac OS 7 or Windows 3 today ?
And now is the Amiga a zombie computer-system. It won't die.
anyone using Amiga forever and is it worth it?
Yep, I bought a copy. Works well plus you get all the ROM's & Workbenches legally.
Ha. I know that voice from retro hour
Now i known what i buy. Nothing 😁 thx
Original computers are getting to be for the wealthy. The prices people ask for them are high now. It's not for Joe average now, certainly not to have a large collection. I'm so glad I bought my retro computers many years ago. I don't have anything Amiga more Advanced than a A600 and several A500. First thing I did with each of the A500s was remove the battery's as they all had the ram expansion fitted. These computers climb in value every year.
Yeah it's amazing how expensive they have become when once people were literally chucking them out
you can buy new amiga os but next year you have to buy new version.. keeps going. peoples go for it even not use amiga. things that they put on it allready on aminet did buy someone allready 20 years ago and they write them in lol lets buy amiga os 3.2.1 and then install magic WB so it means downgrade LOL
Er, that’s an “l” (el) at the end of Brazilian real, not an “i” (ai).
dude enable adblock lol
I love all of the models, except the A600. That useless piece of junk killed Commodore.
Pi does not belong in an amiga buyers guide IMHO. It's emulation
Pointless far to expensive in 2023. Just emulate it.
i would buy brand new amiga that run native old floppies but not any linux amulation thingy and not expensive nobody want powerpc now we say this is amiga lol its powerpc not amiga.
all things we allready can do free with emulator. someone try do real hartware FUNNY.
when all done. someone do something else doing real hardware using raspberry pi. lol. just use raspberri pi with emulator we allready had it why need real hardware xD we allready have acceleration card on real amiga that are same fast than raspi can do. its this fast soon faster. allready have real amiga doing same fast lol
cant magically go any faster flash drive cant read write faster than they do xD
500 mini is a pile of overpriced junk.
Would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
Love yours and Dan's podcasts, just got a A500 from eBay for £60 (already had psu, mouse, modulator), everything works except F1 key, any general advice
?
That is a bargain, I would take the keyboard membrane out and clean it with a bit of iso. If that does not work you can get membrane replacements for cheap online.
OK I lied I bought the mini do you make a mini is now in my possession but I want the Amiga maxi or full!!! OK I also Onameka forever 8 and 9🤣😂