How the Aztec Empire was Built by Spies

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  • Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
  • Check out A People's History of Native America here: • The Inconvenient Truth...
    In ancient Mesoamerica, an elite class of merchants helped build the Aztec Empire. How? By mastering the arts of spycraft, disguise, and self-sacrifice. These Pochteca acquired plenty of wealth and status and they traveled between cities to collect tribute, trade for valuables, and most importantly work undercover to gather information. But this wealth and power sometimes came at a deadly cost.
    Where exactly is Aztlán located? Is it a physical place or an ideological construction? Here is what we are listening and reading.
    Creating Aztlán : Chicano art, indigenous sovereignty, and lowriding across Turtle Island, by Dylan A. T. Miner
    Smith, Michael E.. The Aztecs, John Wiley & Sons, Incorporated, 2011
    Tales from Aztlantis (podcast)
    A note from the producer: The visual representation of Indigenous peoples in this episode relies heavily on the imagery contained in The Florentine Codex which was created by Fray Bernardino de Sahagún (1499--1590), a Franciscan missionary who arrived in Mexico in 1529, as part of the Spanish colonial project. Sahagún purported that he worked with Indigenous community members to ensure the accuracy of the imagery and that some of it was actually created by those community members. Sahagún’s claims are accepted by some scholars and disputed by others. It cannot be independently verified.
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    Chapters:
    00:00 Intro
    00:22 Who were the Mexica
    01:41 Pochteca, Merchant Ppies
    03:17 Imperial Martyrs
    04:22 Nose Lord
    06:18 Warrior's Death

КОМЕНТАРІ • 129

  • @tarawalker7193
    @tarawalker7193 4 місяці тому +95

    I love these PBS shows. Thank you for growing with us outside of our childhood. 😊

  • @madfx8058
    @madfx8058 3 місяці тому +5

    Growing up amongst Chicano Activist and seeing how the makeup of my community has become more indigenous over the past two decades (migrants who are Mixtec, Zapotec, Purepecha) its really interesting to learn this native history. I think Im really gonna dig this series!

  • @dese4999
    @dese4999 4 місяці тому +140

    From the Colonial Virgin Islands. Thank you for continual focus on more than Eurocentric history💚💛❤️

    • @chideraalexanderdex547
      @chideraalexanderdex547 4 місяці тому +12

      It's truly a gift to be able to learn the great histories of all people on every continent and their history and achievements

    • @kkupsky6321
      @kkupsky6321 4 місяці тому +2

      Never heard of it. The virgin isles are just north of grimsby? Ohhh. Islands. I know. It’s sweet the French named a channel island after New Jersey.

    • @margaretmary-dj1ps
      @margaretmary-dj1ps 4 місяці тому

      Amen !

    • @penelopegreene
      @penelopegreene 3 місяці тому

      Say hi to Wilo Smith for us. He feels exactly the same way!

    • @jonathanwilliams1065
      @jonathanwilliams1065 3 місяці тому

      So are you British or American?

  • @sizanogreen9900
    @sizanogreen9900 4 місяці тому +60

    Really interesting. I had heard of the Pochteca before but now I actually understand what they were about. Thanks for covering them:)

    • @palomapalacios6036
      @palomapalacios6036 4 місяці тому +10

      Same! I knew Pochteca were a merchant-class but I never knew why they were as revered as nobility and warriors until now. Thank you for shedding more light and context to this aspect of Mexica society. Can you do the same for more over ooked aspects of Mexica life and society like Pipiltin (nobles), artisans, farmers or hunters?

  • @auntkami
    @auntkami 4 місяці тому +25

    I feel like I need to slow down the playback speed and watch this at least eight more times to even begin to wrap my head around all this information. Wow! Thank you for preparing and sharing it!

  • @eklektek5032
    @eklektek5032 4 місяці тому +15

    Their descendants are still around, except now they call them chismosos.

    • @P71ScrewHead
      @P71ScrewHead 3 місяці тому +3

      Jajaja.. 😆🤣

    • @xr2kid
      @xr2kid Місяць тому +1

      I'm screaming 😂😂😂😂

  • @Kittymancer78
    @Kittymancer78 4 місяці тому +7

    Thank you, thank you.
    At a time where the U.S. has managed to equate the word "Mexican" with the word "dirt", it's good to be reminded that that idea is not actually true.

  • @mandoandando8966
    @mandoandando8966 3 місяці тому +2

    These are the kind of mini documentaries that are necessary especially for those individuals wanting to know more about their roots.

  • @duck8dodgers
    @duck8dodgers 4 місяці тому +15

    Thank you for mentioning The Florentine Codex as your source for some of your illustrations for this piece in your description. The art in that book is amazing.

  • @marieroberts5664
    @marieroberts5664 4 місяці тому +17

    Excellent work guys, keep these vids coming. I love Rogue History.

  • @mixiekins
    @mixiekins 4 місяці тому +30

    Ah, the Pochteca were among the wealthy and distinguished individuals which carried shields painted with feather mosaics. Many of the shields depicted in the codex shown in your video are thought to be the same kind, and the illustration shown at 5:25 is from one of the pages explaining the process. Feather painting was an extreme luxury, making use of the most prized plumage such as that from the Quetzals, worth more than gold. There are very few examples remaining today, the most famous being the coyote shield with flaming water (the symbol for war, as you mentioned) which is often mistaken as being a depiction of a dragon. The feather painting mosaics of that period continued to be practiced during the early colonial period (many conquistadors commissioned religious illustrations to send back to Europe) and is now only practiced by a handful of artisans. Around the 1500's it's thought that, due to overhunting of the birds causing scarcity of materials, the artisans were inspired to instead use an endemic grass, dyed in the zapotec method, to make their mosaics. The modern method, Popotillo, is theorized to have been inspired by Chinese traders that introduced a similar craft more like grass parquetry. Though, all of the history of the transition frrom feathers to the sporobolis wrightii grass is on shaky footing, as records from the period are very sparse, so take this with a grain of salt. At any rate, the art of that time was extremely unique and is critically endangered to this day. There hasn't even been a single book written on the subject of Popotillo, whereas there is one for the feather mosaics which is long since out of print but thankfully documents the construction, techniques, and materials.

  • @TheAmazingHuman
    @TheAmazingHuman 4 місяці тому +8

    Can we get an epic movie about this?! This is so interesting! Whoa... ❤❤❤ It's like a Roman historical epic with killer ninjas all rolled up in one!

  • @sarahwatts7152
    @sarahwatts7152 4 місяці тому +9

    Never knew about these people before! Fascinating

  • @metasamsara
    @metasamsara 4 місяці тому +6

    need more movies from their pov

  • @DuizhangLu
    @DuizhangLu 3 місяці тому +3

    Fascinating parallels between pochteca and the Mongolian empires use of merchant spies

  • @ponyote
    @ponyote 3 місяці тому +2

    Your pronunciation is so impeccable.

  • @willmendoza8498
    @willmendoza8498 4 місяці тому +2

    These folks are fascinating. I feel like there should be at least a couple movies about them

  • @colinleat8309
    @colinleat8309 4 місяці тому +29

    Fascinating. I've always found the culture of the ancient people of the Americas interesting. Love these PBS channel's! More please! 🖖😁🤘🇨🇦🕊️

  • @emen_98
    @emen_98 5 днів тому

    The lore of the Pochteca is MY Roman Empire, and they have been my favorite plot line/device in my alt history saga

  • @user-if4nx2jn8r
    @user-if4nx2jn8r 4 місяці тому +5

    Very interesting, I've never heard of them before.

  • @stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369
    @stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369 4 місяці тому +14

    Oh interesting
    A class of spies

    • @sizanogreen9900
      @sizanogreen9900 4 місяці тому +1

      spy-merchant-warriors. They also brought the luxuries for the rest of the elite.

  • @emperorsadrax7242
    @emperorsadrax7242 3 місяці тому +2

    Thank you for making a video on this, it really puts it into perspective how the Mexica used their resources at their disposal to gather intel and display power in the region.

  • @I_dont_think_therefore...
    @I_dont_think_therefore... 4 місяці тому +10

    I liked this video. I think spies are cool, no matter from which culture. I would love to see an origin video on the Hashashim, aka assassins. They seem as mystical as Ninjas or the Knights Templar. Keep up the good work. 😊

  • @prettypic444
    @prettypic444 3 місяці тому +1

    We need a full on movie about this!

  • @CDA129
    @CDA129 4 місяці тому +3

    This was very interesting. Things I had never heard before. Thank you for posting.

  • @voluptuousvince6522
    @voluptuousvince6522 4 місяці тому +3

    Question, because this is endlessly fascinating to me - what are the sources for this account? Was all of this information gathered through native record keeping or oral tradition, or imperial observation from european colonists?
    I absolutely feel like because of the society and structure I was educated in, I have massive knowledge gaps when it comes to the native cultures of the americas and how we can trace their histories.
    The Aztec language is so fascinating to me, I'd kove to know if all this info was gathered through the study and eventual translation of their texts or otherwise.

    • @pottertheavenger1363
      @pottertheavenger1363 4 місяці тому +3

      Record keeping and conquistador chronicles. Mainly, friars made natives draw codices of their knowledge.

  • @Napkinatorz
    @Napkinatorz 3 місяці тому +1

    This is very interesting! Love learning pre-Columbian indigenous history

  • @dosmart
    @dosmart 4 місяці тому +2

    *takes notes for world building*

  • @Imperiused
    @Imperiused 4 місяці тому +3

    I love this series! Elite spies indeed.

  • @jakobraahauge7299
    @jakobraahauge7299 4 місяці тому +2

    That's just wonderfully insightful and at that even respectful! And potentially just as beautifully spoken as the first videos of "Journey Into The Microcosmos!" 😙 Lots of love from a new sub!

  • @alex1112200
    @alex1112200 4 місяці тому +1

    Great Work!

  • @GrandeSalvatore96
    @GrandeSalvatore96 3 місяці тому +1

    Wow, such a great and informative video on a niche topic. Would love to see more videos like this.

  • @NenetlAlt
    @NenetlAlt 4 місяці тому +1

    I loved this episode!

  • @windlessoriginals1150
    @windlessoriginals1150 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you

  • @Chris-from-AZ
    @Chris-from-AZ 3 місяці тому

    Very great video

  • @maxdaly8185
    @maxdaly8185 4 місяці тому +1

    This was excellent.

  • @rjstefani1
    @rjstefani1 4 місяці тому +1

    @Joel Cook, you're an awesome narrator.

  • @Pottery4Life
    @Pottery4Life 3 місяці тому +1

    Thank you.

  • @vengefulhero
    @vengefulhero 4 місяці тому +1

    I would like some more please.

  • @eacalvert
    @eacalvert 4 місяці тому +1

    Love this

  • @heraclesreborn
    @heraclesreborn 3 місяці тому

    Outstanding!!!

  • @timothyrodriguez881
    @timothyrodriguez881 3 місяці тому +1

    More about the Aztecs please!?? Or mesoamerica

  • @sabrinasummers4814
    @sabrinasummers4814 4 місяці тому

    so cool

  • @anarey-oktay2683
    @anarey-oktay2683 4 місяці тому

    Good job with the names.

  • @landback1491
    @landback1491 4 місяці тому +12

    1:27 According to Statista site, there are ~450,000 active duty in the US Army, not including other services. That means the Aztec army was as big as the US Army today. And this is far, far larger than ANYTHING in Ancient Greece or European history in general (1100 AD). Yet, the Euro-centric history narratives focus Greek and Roman armies that pale in comparison. And Europeans call us (Turtle Islanders) primitive... 🙄 We won't be erased.

    • @joseph8762
      @joseph8762 3 місяці тому +2

      the mexica didnt have a standing army. most wars were fought in the winter when working men could mobilize and not worry about risking famine and mass starvation. also, a society does not need a highly organized standing army to not be primitive. our ancestors were cool and we dont need to compare them to europeans

  • @TheRuanay
    @TheRuanay 4 місяці тому +1

    Joel Cook is the man!

  • @mellissadalby1402
    @mellissadalby1402 4 місяці тому +4

    Mr. Joel, you sure do a good job pronouncing those screwy looking words that would take me a while to puzzle my way through them.

  • @cerosis
    @cerosis 4 місяці тому +2

    ¡Viva Azteca! ¡Viva Nahual!

  • @icepick117
    @icepick117 4 місяці тому +4

    the link to the people's history of native america just links back to this video

    • @pbsorigins
      @pbsorigins  4 місяці тому +2

      Sorry about that. Fixed that, and here is the link: ua-cam.com/video/dXJ4Ldy-hLQ/v-deo.html

  • @acarrot589
    @acarrot589 3 місяці тому

    Thanks, really interesting. Im wondering, the part of the Aztec origins is historical or legendary ?

  • @Zagar099
    @Zagar099 3 місяці тому

    Wish there were more and better quality graphics for this channel

  • @GajanaNigade
    @GajanaNigade 3 місяці тому

    Whoa... Immortal presenting history he probably lived through.

  • @RainFall2112
    @RainFall2112 3 місяці тому +1

    The more you learn about history, the more you learn that everyone was an oppressor and everyone took their turn.

  • @dylansearcy3966
    @dylansearcy3966 3 місяці тому

    What happened to danielle?

  • @Kiraiko44
    @Kiraiko44 4 місяці тому +1

    One of the city-states that they tried to live under kicked them out because they flayed and sacrificed the daughter of their king when he tried to put her in charge of them lol kind of answers the question of why they didn't tend to be welcome for very long until they finally reached Atslan

    • @JuanSilva-ym9pf
      @JuanSilva-ym9pf 4 місяці тому +2

      The Tepanecs were one of the groups that made vassals out of the Mexica and forced them to fight as mercenaries for their empire. I’d say they got their revenge before being driven into Lake Texcoco. Even then, the Tepanecs assassinated Chimalpopoca, leading to war with the Mexica and the Tepanecs’ ultimate downfall.

    • @joseph8762
      @joseph8762 3 місяці тому

      no, that was done entirely as a show of force against the tepanecs who relegated the mexica to living in an inhospitable portion of land, and for using them as mercenaries in a highly unbalanced way

  • @MxIzmir
    @MxIzmir 4 місяці тому

    Totally stealing this for d&d

  • @dimimegesis
    @dimimegesis 3 місяці тому

    this would make a great assassin's creed game

  • @RaulHernandez-li8po
    @RaulHernandez-li8po 3 місяці тому +1

    Atlachinolli is more than war, those who know, know.

  • @krealyesitisbeta5642
    @krealyesitisbeta5642 4 місяці тому +1

    4:27 Usopp is real

  • @kateroca8297
    @kateroca8297 4 місяці тому +2

    My Roman Empire is going to be the Aztec Empire

  • @kingmj87
    @kingmj87 3 місяці тому

    I can’t believe private commercial entities would sell their customers’ data to the state like that

  • @lucienarcos-palma3834
    @lucienarcos-palma3834 28 днів тому +1

    How often do you think about the aztec empire ?

    • @emen_98
      @emen_98 5 днів тому +1

      I think about mesoamerica as a whole SEVERAL times a day

  • @Ollerismo
    @Ollerismo 3 місяці тому +1

    The first image looks more like Machu Pichu… inca empire…

  • @fernandoalvarez9613
    @fernandoalvarez9613 3 місяці тому +1

    so Pochteca were basically Mexica Ninjas

  • @nobodysanything2330
    @nobodysanything2330 4 місяці тому

    🇲🇽

  • @kevincronk7981
    @kevincronk7981 3 місяці тому +1

    Whoah Joel over here just pronouncing these indigenous mesoamerican words like it's the easiest thing he's ever done. At least some of them, I've never heard Tenochtitlan pronounced rhat way, but maybe I've just always mispronounced it.

  • @beepboop204
    @beepboop204 4 місяці тому +1

  • @eduadelarosa
    @eduadelarosa 4 місяці тому

    Amazing info, but the graphics used resemble more the Andes region than Mesoamerica.

  • @b43xoit
    @b43xoit 4 місяці тому +1

    Adapting local dialects, or adopting local dialects? Adapting them to what?

  • @LITMasonEdits
    @LITMasonEdits 4 місяці тому +1

    im seeing some paralells with jewish communities being cast as greedy because religious laws meant they where the only ones around allowed to lend money

  • @mitzilinn
    @mitzilinn 4 місяці тому

    They did go to southamerica

    • @joseph8762
      @joseph8762 3 місяці тому +1

      the closest they ever got was nicaragua, and that only happened because the spanish used natives to fight in their wars of conquest

  • @user-wb8iu1hl6i
    @user-wb8iu1hl6i 3 місяці тому

    Basically Aztec shinobi

  • @user-jl8td7tb9y
    @user-jl8td7tb9y 4 місяці тому

    Ah yes the Pochteca, merchant Ppies😂 not including the intro it's the name of the second chapter.

  • @Roman.Leave.Me.2.My.Circles
    @Roman.Leave.Me.2.My.Circles 3 місяці тому

    The Jew is universal.

  • @Hudheifah
    @Hudheifah 3 місяці тому +1

    This gives off narco vibes

  • @martinrios4748
    @martinrios4748 3 місяці тому +1

    Aztecs came to aztlan, once they settled they became mexica. You got it backwards. 😅

    • @el5880
      @el5880 3 місяці тому +1

      No you do

  • @ksec27
    @ksec27 4 місяці тому

    Adopting local dialects

  • @prsimoibn2710
    @prsimoibn2710 3 місяці тому +1

    This is fascinating, unfortunately the Europeans burned all these civilisations down

  • @joseph8762
    @joseph8762 3 місяці тому

    the pronunciations…😕

  • @Neldonax
    @Neldonax 3 місяці тому +1

    poch-TE-ca on god can any american get it right for ONCE? Seriously, it's not that hard, don't pretend to be correct by saying something even more wrong.

  • @netroy
    @netroy 3 місяці тому +2

    It's a shame how much global cultural diversity and heritage got lost to colonialism, and cultural hegemony 😢

    • @P71ScrewHead
      @P71ScrewHead 3 місяці тому +1

      I agree, just look at how much USA destroyed in Iraq 🇮🇶 n Syria 🇸🇾.. 😢

    • @panterauntera77771
      @panterauntera77771 3 місяці тому

      skill issue

  • @arenasnefi
    @arenasnefi 4 місяці тому +1

    Central and South America? Shouldn’t it be North and Central America?

  • @friedfish69
    @friedfish69 3 місяці тому

    Not one word about sources. Not showing much respect for you listeners' curiosity.

  • @OptimisticSturmtruppen
    @OptimisticSturmtruppen 3 місяці тому

    They didn't build the empire

  • @sabastianlove1286
    @sabastianlove1286 4 місяці тому +1

    More from this presenter, please.

  • @lotslove2give
    @lotslove2give 3 місяці тому

    Using an Obama phone. This is djvicmando13. Great looking out. I'm Chicano and didn't know much of this. Thnx!

  • @kiaraditmasa
    @kiaraditmasa 3 місяці тому +1

    Finally history that is not centered in European myth and narcissism

  • @petermcaleer14
    @petermcaleer14 3 місяці тому

    Excellent content… if not a bit “SEP Secundaria” but nvm… 😅 dale gas ⛽️ mi Charolastras! 🦾😎🤌