Its not even a week and yet you can reach up to 200 be from the less-than-a-week-old new relic and planetary sets My rng rolls are buuuuuullshhhhhh aaaaaahhh
If u have Ruan Mei I think 140 is enough for Firefly Since Ruan Mei Gives 10% speed too, 210 speed on complete combustion is enough I think, My firefly is at 145 speed outside and because I have Ruan Mei I don't think i really need more than that, What I'm looking for right now is just To get enough speed substat so I can use Atk% boots.
Her own Super Break caps out at 360% Break, so she'll do a decent chunk of damage. Whilst HMC Super Break iirc has no Break Limit so having 400% will again do quite a bit more on HMC Super Break buff. Anyways her Super Break Multiplier works differently to HMC Super Break so in the end push her Break up to as hgh as you can same with HMC.
Yeah, that’s not how it works. FF skill dmg and super break dmg are two different instances of dmg with different multipliers. Skill can scale crit stats, the super break portion can’t. Also, HMC and FF super break aren’t different. They scale off the same multipliers. FF just uses 50% toughness reduction for dmg, whereas HMC uses 100%. That’s the only difference.
My FF has 155 spd and around 180% BE outside of battle and with all the buffs she gets to about 468% BE. I have a really shitty sphere and body piece tho (no break effect) so hopefully i can get to 500% when i finish farming.
@@Lina-ui1kv Rm and HMC. I use S5 aeon on FF and the only limited eidolon is RM's E1. So most of it comes from Hmc's buffs and a bit from planar ornaments on them. Rm also buffs BE a bit if remember correctly.
@@renz3712a little breakdown about hmc's BE buffs: The eidolon 4 that give your team BE equals to 15% of hmc's BE (given hmc' BE 200%, that's make 30%), 33% from his/her ult + 30% from 4-pc watchmaker set.
For everyone who think that FF's super break has cep. super break demage formula is (Break Base DMG - Affected by Character Level) * (Attack's Toughness Reduction) * (1 + Break Effect) * (Trace Boost) But FF's A4 apply ADDITIONAL multiplier to this formula. So FF super break formula is (FF's A4 mult.) * super break demage formula is (Break Base DMG - Affected by Character Level) * (Attack's Toughness Reduction) * (1 + Break Effect) * (Trace Boost) FF's A4 mult. has cap at 0.5(50%). But BE from original formula has no cap. This mean that you need to get BE as much as possible. It has not cap!
I've missed def and res multipliers above. you just need to apply both to formula above. But it doesn't change anything if we trying to answer if FF need BE above than 360 or not. Answer: yes, she does.
Yes its as advertised, people tend to think that the damage will not scale linearly but what people don't realize is that 360% is the cap of her SCALING. If it didn't have the cap people would go crazy on going all in BE and disregard SPD entirely thru atk scaling to make that damage go BRRRRR as it would scale EXPONENTIALLY.
@@kenchen1351 Yes exactly, people got the dumb idea that her scaling would stop at 360 and get much worse when in reality is just the scaling for the skill damage.
@@Reialine They are annoyed at being told, and when their firefly dmg is not like other people, they will blame firefly for being weak 😂 even though they were the ones who were wrong in building firefly.
I have Firefly at E2, with Harmonyblazer and Ruan Mei. I'm only using the free SU Destruction LC, but I've gotten 550-600% Break Effect after all their buffs in MoC 12. She hits pretty hard, I've seen her hit for 500-700k on the MoC 12 second half bosses. I've hit 2.8 million damage in Divergent Universe with this setup and blessings too, lol. Absolute madness!
e2 has no real dmg amplification. Her e1 and e2 are mostly utility the only dmg buff she has is 15%. Iive got in SU close to 800 break effect which for me is the limit with the average set of cavalry i have right now. ive hitted between 7 and 8m in SU with her break on skill and with ruan even 3-4m on engage. E0 S1 firefly. 212 base break effect. I have alot of work to do on her set.
That's nice, do you have like the whole party in SS in relicscorer excepting gallagher or are you trying something like Slow Mei E6S5 build like MrPokke does? :3
from the top few comments its just straight whales/semi-whales/ppl who saved for e2 lmao. so from this vid its safe to say about every 40% BE its about 12k more dmg. whether or not the big number is better than 1-2 more turns is more math im too lazy to do.
no offense, but if you use the firefly without the protagonist and Ruan Mei, its breakage and damage will be ridiculous. Even my firefly with a simple build of 160% outside of the match, in battle she easily gains 480% and destroys any enemy
that's not the point really, you can clearly see that 40% BE after hitting the 360 breakpoint gives you about a 10% damage increase. Yes, the damage with Ruan Mei would be much higher, BUT having that 40% more BE in Firefly relics would still amount to around a 10% rise (if not less) in total damage, that's the point of the video I feel.
@@nia_cherieyep it s as u said. the increase of DMG from Break Effect past the point of 360 isnt that significant, the one that give signifcant dmg boost from Ruan Mei is her 50% Break Efficiency, also her delaying recovery give longer dmg window
If thats with Aeon LC, keep the speed set. 165 SPD can grant you another turn while she's in ult form, which is pretty good in 0-cycling (and just maximizing her damage output overall, rather than having a pretty-looking big number for her skill damage) Not much difference between Aeon LC and her signature LC, other than that your BE should easily be 240-260 BE% if you have her sig LC. 180-200 BE without her LC is already pretty damn good considering you're 1spd away from the most efficient breakpoint, and you should only be worried if you're under 230s with her sig LC.
@@Bing..chiling Firefly's lightcone being a 15% upgrade isn't big. Compared to getting a Ruan Mei, or getting her E1 (which is +8% damage for Firefly, and a lot of free SP for the team), or E2, which makes 0-cycling possible for FF teams that aren't even tuned for 0-cycling, another damage increase isn't a priority for Firefly hyper-investments. You can definitely mitigate not having her signature LC by just working on your HMC and Gallagher, especially Gallagher for his Break DMG Increase effect, which really is the only defining feature of her sig LC, other than raw Break Effect.
If you're doing stuff like MoC, i suggest to get 165 SPD (buffs counting on her first turn prior SAM). It will save you a cycle for the other team and make wave transitions much more smoother, then rest BE%.
@@MR.L009 well if you use ruan mei in multiple parties there are other planars but yes it works, you can also consider the vonquarks for energy regen and 40% advance at start to squeeze more be%
@@MR.L009 Yes my kalpagni that already boosts speed has a 10 roll on the break rope, Relicscorer calls it SS but I know its a godroll due to the low RNG and the fact ropes are hard to get desireable good stats on them, getting SPD out of the way in this fashion makes you no longer worry about the rope farming and its a big W when relic farming. And 4 SPD and 17% BE (3 BE and 2 flat atk alongside 2 SPD rolls). Gives me enough SPD to just wear a SPD shoe which is whats recommended over atk% shoe in many ways and have the desired speed on Firefly of 165 with Ruan Mei's buff. My personal goal is to have every firefly relic on Relicscorer with a rate of SS and obviously have all DPS focused piece. Rope and orb are SS, Boot and chest are S and gloves and helm are A, still a way to go. Gladly because of getting all the SPD throught the planars themselves i dont need to worry about SPD rolls on relics and focus on ATK+BE%
What other useful stats all she wants is BE, spd and attack if you have 155 spd you're better off with farming for BE than anything else plus you dont need that much effect res because she already has a lot of it in her kit and she doesn't need that much atk. 2300 atk with her light cone is enough.
@@JustYourAverageInternetUser.I think they mean without HMC because mine for example gives the team around 100% extra BE in ult. But that being said who uses FF without the HMC…
@@Loppedofflemons I mean with HMC she still has higher DPS then a unit like blade so sure it’s mid compared to herself with HMC but it’s not most she’s useless without them.
@@The_CodFish69 what I meant was if you went to character details and there you would see the character health, the break effect, the output healing and etc. I wanted to see what the raw break effect was. No buffs, no hmc. For examples, my FF is at 238.2 break effect. I have the new break effect relic set and planar on and her light cone. Fun fact, her light cone is my first ever hoyoverse limited time weapon!
how do you spend 24 hours on farming lol, just log in, go to a cavern, lower the levels to the point where you can still get a 5 star, select a good support character from other players, turn on auto battle. it takes 6 minutes at most to spend all of ur tp, just log out after and and wait for the next day, it only takes 10 minute at most to farm for relics.
With all offense in the world for the people in the comments, how stone brain you need to be to read that 360% BE is her limit to Super break to scale, this is my second lenguage for the love of god, imagine i knowing better your lenguage that yourselves, but hey i dont expect more from the pople that probably say to Boothill "Midhill" 😂 "When SAM is in Complete Combustion with a Break Effect that is equal to or greater than 200%/360%, attacking a Weakness-Broken enemy target will convert the Toughness Reduction of this attack into 1 instance of 35%/50% Super Break DMG." For toddlers, to unlock her SB at 50% u need 360 or more, but the supeer break damage by himself scales with BE(+other things) like any other character, but because the multiplier is at 50% is cutted in half. Now, for stone age brains, just look at the video at the super break damage numbers in diferent instances. As Dr.Ratio said, your welcome.
Ideal team is the one everyone is saying Firefly Ruan Mei (Asta works nice, break bars faster cuz fire skill) Harmony MC Sustain Galaggher (Substitutes: any? he's the best but I use Fu Xuan cuz i dont have him built yet)
@@switch317 HuoHuo is also an option, Firefly have Atk conversion to break and 40% atk increase is no joke, work more effectively when Firefly is E1 since whe wont be bothered with sp problem anymore
@@iriskedlol9077 That is true, although the one holding it back is that firefly doesn't necessarily need the ult charge, your other supports might need it but HMC has eidolons which boosts the uptime of his ult so it might be better for HuoHuo to be on the other team but if she's a spare sustain or something, yeah that could work, IMO just a bit wasted potential though.
@@switch317 compare tu fuxuan, huo huo definitely better. Fu xuan literally contribute nothing while huo huo give 40% attk buff and 20% energy which is not much but still useful
Question, so one of FF's trace can convert Atk to BE right. Does it automatically convert it outside battle or does it activates when she's inside a battle?
Make sure your Firefly has minimum 160 BE (without buffs) and your HMC has 200 BE. Firefly with all of her personal buffs, with HMC she can easily get 330 BE, make sure you use watchmaker set on HMC. If you get her LC getting over 200 BE is extremely easy (I currently have 240BE, and my speed boots currently suck) If you want to maximize damage upgrade Firefly skill., also get her A4 passive asap because that is massive for her as well as A2 passive that makes her have super break in her kit.
Yeah 500% is achievable with a full BE set up, im still trying to raise her BE to to 550% with 231 SPD for max cycles in MOC as an E6S5, I think past that its impossible without sacrificing SPD. With a 251% BE 165 SPD Ruan Mei E1S5(4* MotP) and a 410% BE 165 SPD Harmony MC E6S1 (RM LC). I recommend switching HMC to Kalpagni unless you use Boothill as well then keep in Talia, just remember to throw the hat with Q prior ulting for max buff to maximize FF's DPS making more party DPS if it has buff, generally you'll E in first turn of MoC. Numbers measured with buffs.
Mine is sitting around 320 BE without ruan mei and I can hit close to those numbers, I want a better head piece artifact as its only got 5% be stat but I'm not gonna grind for days and days just to try and get more BE when I can put it to building my other characters
Kinda where im at as f2p myself. Sitting around 360% with just HMC for buff support and using the sim u 5 star destruction light cone (fall of an aeon). Trying to decide if going for e1 or her light cone is more worth atm. Most of the relics dont have break effect rolls at all, and I dont have her planer relics yet. But I have Gallagher and Xuyei still to build for her team, so they're the focus at the moment. I'm currently working with HMC and Guinafen for extra damage.
@@Kalanin399 I also don't have the SU 5* destruction LC yet but I will be using it on my firefly cause my jingliu has her LC and I'm skipping firefly LC for now cause I'm trying to gut ruan mei
Her skill break scaling stops at 360, but its still good to go as high as possible since her super break damage doesn’t have a cap, or so I’ve gathered from the other comments.
@samueljo7910 yep. My FF only has 238% break effect. Thanks to hmc/rm/Gallagher and all three have watch 4p. Can easily upkeep watch buff and my break after buffs is 415%
@@Kspice9000 I think Ruan mei should use the speed set for extra boost in speed. If you want for your ff to act more often, give hmc the dance dance dance lc with an err to action forward ff everytime hmc use an ult.
12k dmg. It's 12k dmg. The real question is how much more dmg she does at 3.5k and 360% break. Break dmg is capped on super break and skill at 360%, atk does not seem to have any stipulations capping it's contribution to the skill formula.
The attack does nothing for her except for being converted to break effect. Overall for what I’ve heard her skill damage makes up less that 3% of her overall damage when harmony trailblazer ult is up. (Also attack itself has no effect on super break I’m pretty sure.)
@@Noitssnotme I read his other comments, maybe he thinks that or maybe he thinks that the non superbreak damage is good enough to build attack for even with no crit…
You have to understand that there are a lot of additional factors to this when in a normal match, in here he put clara and lynx down I assume for consistency, if you replace them with buffers then that extra 40% could be huge.
If we're talking about ideal scenarios then Ruan Mei with her Break Efficiency and Res Pen boosting the damage by quite a bit also with Gallagher multiplicative damage debuff he does for Break/Super Break that extra 40% is actually buffed by quite a bit.
The difference is only in the initial break damage, as long as firefly break efficiency still the same or super break damage only cap at 50% of toughness damage, the only way to increase its Super break damage is only from vulnerability break debuff, RES Pen, or deff reduction/ignore
@@reza6428like you admited yourself, superbreak scales on BE, also firefly doesnt have a superbreak dmg cap, thats 50% is basically her superbreak multiplier lol
I have the feeling that given firefly at E2 basically gets a mix of seele's and boothill's talent she's balanced towards having E2 above, Seele suffers the same issue of being initially weak at E0 due to the existence of her talent, however becomes a complete beast once invested due to her extra turns and scaling at E6S5, if they balanced her for E0 she would had easily powercrept any character in the game.
She most definitely isn't. In this showcase you have neither Asta nor Gallagher who are better team mates than lynx and Clara by far. If you have her premium team then you will see her hitting 300ks every attack at E0S0 and since she attacks 4 times per cycle that's 1.2 million Damage per cycle. She is the best even at E0.
@@aayushcamp7097 people comparing her mostly to acheron's 0 cycle ceiling mostly to prove she's bad investment. I do feel it's another seele vs DHIL case. E6 FF gets very close to acheron's damage due to her quicker toughness reduce plus super break damage increase and it's less dependant on both her teammates and enemy behaviour unlike acheron. A jingliu case even, ngl if you look more than her damage FF is super solid she's a break version of jingliu with blade sustain and if she's E2 she's also seele because of resurgence added with her spd increase by ult in a 3 by one character deal.
@@Reialine Acheron at any eidolon is only better for screenshot damage Vs Firefly with same eidolon level. Maybe that might change depending on Jiaqiu or future content having break lock but rn Firefly better
@@aayushcamp7097 yes people are just being silly. And have obstuse criteria for judging a character. Like pokke even judged acheron as capable of killing even stronger foes at 0 cycle that may potentially come later due to her potential nuke at the end of the first cycle if she's minmaxed with 300%+ crit dmg, now we have apocalyptic shadow that counts literally every action value and this already due to break gimmick makes having both boothill and firefly for each fight with boothill being advanced carry on cocolia and firefly with the hmc on argenti make the fight zoom. In my case is so stupid to tell people to dont get a unit for power because of some obstuse logic, but i do know that if they made her scaling insane like acheron's or dhil her e2 would be way better than many characters e6. I prefer to just make my favourite characters the strongest, saving jades until i can make my favourites e6s5 with god relics since its a thing i have since i played pso and warframe, minmax your favourite characters rather than always chasing the meta. I have acheron on my sights but i go for priorities, first it was jingliu, then firefly came out and next will be the quantum charas seele, silver wolf and sparkle because i love all those characters and want to make their party strong. Firefly came spontaneously but im halfway with building the eidolons and lc of my quantum team with sw at e2s1 sparkle at e1s1, fu xuan at e1s1 and seele at e0s1 aiming to e2sX whenever her banner comes, and then ill go optimizing the firefly team by getting ruan mei the e6 to prolong the break duration, Acheron might come after with possibly the best i can make her, ill worry about the optimal characters for her once its her turn, also hoping one day my bronya gets to e6, e2s5 atm so i can optimize my jingliu e6s5 more. I ignore a lot of the meta like dot and fua but my parties are demolishing even gng in 12 no prob. I hate the idea of dropping characters i enjoy for meta powercreep so i go all out in those, its why eidolons and superimpositions exist for me.
To everyone saying her superbreak caps at 360, it does not, that's her skill damage and the percent of break that deals superbreak in her passive
Looks like “HSR players cant read” isnt a joke afterall, just look at the top comment of this video lol
@@MagicalNigachuthis is the top comment of this video
@@chamow2787look for one with 100+ likes, thats the one im talking about
@@chamow2787 enable sort by most liked comments...
I grow more and more insane the more people I see saying Firefly's super break damage is capped at 360% break effect
361% BE= 153491
401% BE= 165885
Its not even a week and yet you can reach up to 200 be from the less-than-a-week-old new relic and planetary sets
My rng rolls are buuuuuullshhhhhh aaaaaahhh
My FF already got 200% BE out of combat with 20 potions or so
I’m still farming but with the S1 mine is at 246% BE and 154 SPD.
@@The_CodFish69 holy
mine is at 149 spd and 250 BE
you guys are getting speed?
If u have Ruan Mei I think 140 is enough for Firefly Since Ruan Mei Gives 10% speed too, 210 speed on complete combustion is enough I think, My firefly is at 145 speed outside and because I have Ruan Mei I don't think i really need more than that, What I'm looking for right now is just To get enough speed substat so I can use Atk% boots.
Her own Super Break caps out at 360% Break, so she'll do a decent chunk of damage. Whilst HMC Super Break iirc has no Break Limit so having 400% will again do quite a bit more on HMC Super Break buff. Anyways her Super Break Multiplier works differently to HMC Super Break so in the end push her Break up to as hgh as you can same with HMC.
the skill dmg is capping at 360 but the break dmg and super break dmg has no cap so stack as much as possible
Yeah, that’s not how it works. FF skill dmg and super break dmg are two different instances of dmg with different multipliers. Skill can scale crit stats, the super break portion can’t. Also, HMC and FF super break aren’t different. They scale off the same multipliers. FF just uses 50% toughness reduction for dmg, whereas HMC uses 100%. That’s the only difference.
@@Zevyne HMC also have 1.2-1.6 scale from trace.
Yeah no, 360% is the max scalling for her *skill*
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My FF has 155 spd and around 180% BE outside of battle and with all the buffs she gets to about 468% BE. I have a really shitty sphere and body piece tho (no break effect) so hopefully i can get to 500% when i finish farming.
Can you elaborate your external sources
@@Lina-ui1kv Rm and HMC. I use S5 aeon on FF and the only limited eidolon is RM's E1. So most of it comes from Hmc's buffs and a bit from planar ornaments on them. Rm also buffs BE a bit if remember correctly.
@@eh1165 ty
@@eh1165 damn... So hmc really makes a big difference, wonder why I can't reach 400%BE because I haven't built my hmc
@@renz3712a little breakdown about hmc's BE buffs:
The eidolon 4 that give your team BE equals to 15% of hmc's BE (given hmc' BE 200%, that's make 30%), 33% from his/her ult + 30% from 4-pc watchmaker set.
For everyone who think that FF's super break has cep.
super break demage formula is (Break Base DMG - Affected by Character Level) * (Attack's Toughness Reduction) * (1 + Break Effect) * (Trace Boost)
But FF's A4 apply ADDITIONAL multiplier to this formula. So FF super break formula is
(FF's A4 mult.) * super break demage formula is (Break Base DMG - Affected by Character Level) * (Attack's Toughness Reduction) * (1 + Break Effect) * (Trace Boost)
FF's A4 mult. has cap at 0.5(50%). But BE from original formula has no cap.
This mean that you need to get BE as much as possible. It has not cap!
I've missed def and res multipliers above. you just need to apply both to formula above. But it doesn't change anything if we trying to answer if FF need BE above than 360 or not. Answer: yes, she does.
Yes its as advertised, people tend to think that the damage will not scale linearly but what people don't realize is that 360% is the cap of her SCALING.
If it didn't have the cap people would go crazy on going all in BE and disregard SPD entirely thru atk scaling to make that damage go BRRRRR as it would scale EXPONENTIALLY.
@@Reialine There is no cap for her break effect scaling for super break damage. What stop scaling is her skill damage, which can be ignored.
@@kenchen1351 Yes exactly, people got the dumb idea that her scaling would stop at 360 and get much worse when in reality is just the scaling for the skill damage.
@@Reialine They are annoyed at being told, and when their firefly dmg is not like other people, they will blame firefly for being weak 😂 even though they were the ones who were wrong in building firefly.
I have Firefly at E2, with Harmonyblazer and Ruan Mei. I'm only using the free SU Destruction LC, but I've gotten 550-600% Break Effect after all their buffs in MoC 12. She hits pretty hard, I've seen her hit for 500-700k on the MoC 12 second half bosses. I've hit 2.8 million damage in Divergent Universe with this setup and blessings too, lol. Absolute madness!
e2 has no real dmg amplification. Her e1 and e2 are mostly utility the only dmg buff she has is 15%.
Iive got in SU close to 800 break effect which for me is the limit with the average set of cavalry i have right now.
ive hitted between 7 and 8m in SU with her break on skill and with ruan even 3-4m on engage.
E0 S1 firefly. 212 base break effect. I have alot of work to do on her set.
What path/equations did u use to reach 3M dmg in DU?
@@loqztvjust build everything destruction
It’s now way more into breaking so it works perfectly for firefly
@@santabakure6264 Ohh interesting.. I thought path of destruction revolved around losing hp and keeping HP under 50% for maximum damage.,..
@@cris9485 it does, 15% def ignore and another free turn after killing an enemy or breaking their shield sounds like a heavy amplification to me
(1+400%)/(1+360%) = 1.087 => You are expected to have about 8% more break damage, which the video showcase that.
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Exactly 7.582% of additional dmg, better to invest in more spd or other useful stats
@@dvdzvcnah he aint a nerd, you’re just dumb💀
@@dariobm1528That additional dmg can skyrocket tho with Gallagher and Ruan Mei on team
@@dariobm1528 But BE and SPD are the only useful stats....👀
Mine is 600% BE from LC + HMC + Watchmaker Set + Firefly Ornaments which is new and i forgot that name 😊
And then the Trotter with no weakness Appear.
My firefly w 540% and still growing 😎
stop evading the bad rng taxes
You're the fucker that's been pulling my luck
That's nice, do you have like the whole party in SS in relicscorer excepting gallagher or are you trying something like Slow Mei E6S5 build like MrPokke does? :3
@@Reialine I don't have Ruan mei 😭
@@krawchick4418 Oh so you're ramping the break effect with Asta thru atk buffing?
add ruan mei to see a even bigger difference
if we talk about % difference it will be same.
@@user-pz8fq4qm4bbreak efficiency affects super break damage and she gives 50% of that.
@@FireflyIsSamusAranSister if you compare Ruan mei + ff with 360 be and ruan mei + ff with 400 be then % difference will be same.
Trotter jumpscare spotted
from the top few comments its just straight whales/semi-whales/ppl who saved for e2 lmao. so from this vid its safe to say about every 40% BE its about 12k more dmg. whether or not the big number is better than 1-2 more turns is more math im too lazy to do.
no offense, but if you use the firefly without the protagonist and Ruan Mei, its breakage and damage will be ridiculous. Even my firefly with a simple build of 160% outside of the match, in battle she easily gains 480% and destroys any enemy
that's not the point really, you can clearly see that 40% BE after hitting the 360 breakpoint gives you about a 10% damage increase. Yes, the damage with Ruan Mei would be much higher, BUT having that 40% more BE in Firefly relics would still amount to around a 10% rise (if not less) in total damage, that's the point of the video I feel.
@@nia_cherieyep it s as u said. the increase of DMG from Break Effect past the point of 360 isnt that significant, the one that give signifcant dmg boost from Ruan Mei is her 50% Break Efficiency, also her delaying recovery give longer dmg window
@@enigmata_zealotdoesn't atk contribute a ton more when at 360% break? Since half her skill formula is tied to atk.
@@Kspice9000 the damage provided from her skill is negligible. They build atk on ff 'cause it gives her be% for super super break
nah i can get around 430 BE even without RM, just use asta
should i have more speed or more break effect? (164 SPD, 185 Break Effect) or (154 SPD 202 Break Effect)?
More BE
Prefer more BE, because if you look closely in Firefly trace, there's bonus Break DMG around 35% when you had BE above 200%
If thats with Aeon LC, keep the speed set. 165 SPD can grant you another turn while she's in ult form, which is pretty good in 0-cycling (and just maximizing her damage output overall, rather than having a pretty-looking big number for her skill damage)
Not much difference between Aeon LC and her signature LC, other than that your BE should easily be 240-260 BE% if you have her sig LC. 180-200 BE without her LC is already pretty damn good considering you're 1spd away from the most efficient breakpoint, and you should only be worried if you're under 230s with her sig LC.
@@alexseloterio8720nah.. its almost 15% diff than the f2p LC...
@@Bing..chiling Firefly's lightcone being a 15% upgrade isn't big. Compared to getting a Ruan Mei, or getting her E1 (which is +8% damage for Firefly, and a lot of free SP for the team), or E2, which makes 0-cycling possible for FF teams that aren't even tuned for 0-cycling, another damage increase isn't a priority for Firefly hyper-investments. You can definitely mitigate not having her signature LC by just working on your HMC and Gallagher, especially Gallagher for his Break DMG Increase effect, which really is the only defining feature of her sig LC, other than raw Break Effect.
If I don't get the 500% break effect then I have to look for it again
If you're doing stuff like MoC, i suggest to get 165 SPD (buffs counting on her first turn prior SAM). It will save you a cycle for the other team and make wave transitions much more smoother, then rest BE%.
@@Reialine Actually planar is very helpful for spd
@@MR.L009 well if you use ruan mei in multiple parties there are other planars but yes it works, you can also consider the vonquarks for energy regen and 40% advance at start to squeeze more be%
@@MR.L009 Yes my kalpagni that already boosts speed has a 10 roll on the break rope, Relicscorer calls it SS but I know its a godroll due to the low RNG and the fact ropes are hard to get desireable good stats on them, getting SPD out of the way in this fashion makes you no longer worry about the rope farming and its a big W when relic farming. And 4 SPD and 17% BE (3 BE and 2 flat atk alongside 2 SPD rolls). Gives me enough SPD to just wear a SPD shoe which is whats recommended over atk% shoe in many ways and have the desired speed on Firefly of 165 with Ruan Mei's buff.
My personal goal is to have every firefly relic on Relicscorer with a rate of SS and obviously have all DPS focused piece. Rope and orb are SS, Boot and chest are S and gloves and helm are A, still a way to go. Gladly because of getting all the SPD throught the planars themselves i dont need to worry about SPD rolls on relics and focus on ATK+BE%
Exactly 7.582% of additional dmg, you better to invest in more spd or other useful stats
Definitely my firefly literally only has150 BE ( outside the battle) but hey at least I got that 155 speed for the 4 turn in one cycle
What other useful stats all she wants is BE, spd and attack if you have 155 spd you're better off with farming for BE than anything else plus you dont need that much effect res because she already has a lot of it in her kit and she doesn't need that much atk. 2300 atk with her light cone is enough.
@@Axyn01I think she needs some effect hit rate for sure 🤓🪬
What is the break effect WITHOUT The buffs?
Just so you know, "module y: Core Overload" is her kit, it isnt a buff, anyways, 360 BE: 158BE (without module y), 400 BE: 158BE too
@@JustYourAverageInternetUser.I think they mean without HMC because mine for example gives the team around 100% extra BE in ult.
But that being said who uses FF without the HMC…
@@The_CodFish69 No one since Firefly basically deals no damage without HMC
@@Loppedofflemons I mean with HMC she still has higher DPS then a unit like blade so sure it’s mid compared to herself with HMC but it’s not most she’s useless without them.
@@The_CodFish69 what I meant was if you went to character details and there you would see the character health, the break effect, the output healing and etc. I wanted to see what the raw break effect was. No buffs, no hmc. For examples, my FF is at 238.2 break effect. I have the new break effect relic set and planar on and her light cone. Fun fact, her light cone is my first ever hoyoverse limited time weapon!
Can you try with 500% break effect?
I did in my account
@@MR.L009 it’s not there lol
@@MR.L009Showcase it
can you do it with normal team: FF, RM, HMC, Oshan
Who tf is Oshan?
Mine is capped at 150 outside of battle why? Because I don't feel like farming relics 24 hours a day
how do you spend 24 hours on farming lol, just log in, go to a cavern, lower the levels to the point where you can still get a 5 star, select a good support character from other players, turn on auto battle. it takes 6 minutes at most to spend all of ur tp, just log out after and and wait for the next day, it only takes 10 minute at most to farm for relics.
If you have both HMC and Ruan Mei, you can easily get so much Break Effect. I do just fine with 223 BE.
With all offense in the world for the people in the comments, how stone brain you need to be to read that 360% BE is her limit to Super break to scale, this is my second lenguage for the love of god, imagine i knowing better your lenguage that yourselves, but hey i dont expect more from the pople that probably say to Boothill "Midhill" 😂
"When SAM is in Complete Combustion with a Break Effect that is equal to or greater than 200%/360%, attacking a Weakness-Broken enemy target will convert the Toughness Reduction of this attack into 1 instance of 35%/50% Super Break DMG."
For toddlers, to unlock her SB at 50% u need 360 or more, but the supeer break damage by himself scales with BE(+other things) like any other character, but because the multiplier is at 50% is cutted in half.
Now, for stone age brains, just look at the video at the super break damage numbers in diferent instances.
As Dr.Ratio said, your welcome.
you stack more BE for backup dancer
where is ruan mei?
Pull Ruan Mei if you can
They: 360% and 400%
Me: 56% 🤡🤡🤡
skill issue
WHAT?
Your firefly is tickling the enemies
Break effect rope alone already has 60% 😅
Might be missing Ruan Mei. U got this bro
I barely have 200% break effect (no buffs) With 144 speed (more with asta ult).
Im at 500% what about that one?
Can someone explain why clara is in the team, should i also use it?
no theres no need to use her on your team, i just use her to break enemies weakness, you can swap her for a buffer or a sustainer, such as ruan mei
Ideal team is the one everyone is saying
Firefly
Ruan Mei (Asta works nice, break bars faster cuz fire skill)
Harmony MC
Sustain
Galaggher
(Substitutes: any? he's the best but I use Fu Xuan cuz i dont have him built yet)
@@switch317 HuoHuo is also an option, Firefly have Atk conversion to break and 40% atk increase is no joke, work more effectively when Firefly is E1 since whe wont be bothered with sp problem anymore
@@iriskedlol9077 That is true, although the one holding it back is that firefly doesn't necessarily need the ult charge, your other supports might need it but HMC has eidolons which boosts the uptime of his ult so it might be better for HuoHuo to be on the other team but if she's a spare sustain or something, yeah that could work, IMO just a bit wasted potential though.
@@switch317 compare tu fuxuan, huo huo definitely better. Fu xuan literally contribute nothing while huo huo give 40% attk buff and 20% energy which is not much but still useful
what, i am getting 460% in battle
Thats good
I'm getting 560 in battle
Im getting about 550.5% in divergent
Question, so one of FF's trace can convert Atk to BE right. Does it automatically convert it outside battle or does it activates when she's inside a battle?
inside batlle.
The conversion is in effect only during battles
@@user-pz8fq4qm4b alright, thx guys
Still farming for 165 speed i wanna die
If you have ruan mei, you can go for 154+ base speed and her speed buff (if talent is lvl 10) finishes it
140 with Ruanmei is enough, if not aim for 150. 165 unnecessary
I am going for 5 turns in 1 cycle not 4
165 = 5 turn?
@@frosthaze1996 ruan mei exist dood u go to 180
How to build firefly for 350% break damage ❤
com o desbravador harmonia.
Just add BE as much as u can and then let the mc do the rest
Make sure your Firefly has minimum 160 BE (without buffs) and your HMC has 200 BE. Firefly with all of her personal buffs, with HMC she can easily get 330 BE, make sure you use watchmaker set on HMC. If you get her LC getting over 200 BE is extremely easy (I currently have 240BE, and my speed boots currently suck)
If you want to maximize damage upgrade Firefly skill., also get her A4 passive asap because that is massive for her as well as A2 passive that makes her have super break in her kit.
@@universalgamer8010thanks, that help me
My firefly with 700% break effect in battle with harmony mc and ruan mei😃😃
SEND ENKA LINK RN
only in simulated/divergent universe right?
@@doshtano no actually ☠️just regular battles and moc her base break effect is 253% without ruan mei and harmony MC
dude, wtf is your team stat build, HOW! i need to see!
@@blueblazedemonhow did you even get to 700% be? Assuming youre not factoring in any other buff except from her teammates
How about 500%? Im one BE roll away from reaching it.
Yeah 500% is achievable with a full BE set up, im still trying to raise her BE to to 550% with 231 SPD for max cycles in MOC as an E6S5, I think past that its impossible without sacrificing SPD. With a 251% BE 165 SPD Ruan Mei E1S5(4* MotP) and a 410% BE 165 SPD Harmony MC E6S1 (RM LC). I recommend switching HMC to Kalpagni unless you use Boothill as well then keep in Talia, just remember to throw the hat with Q prior ulting for max buff to maximize FF's DPS making more party DPS if it has buff, generally you'll E in first turn of MoC.
Numbers measured with buffs.
need more break 600 maybe
its scaling more or less exactly both ways (10% increase for break effect and 10% increase for dmg)
While my relics all go def no break effect enhance 😞
thx
Mine is sitting around 320 BE without ruan mei and I can hit close to those numbers, I want a better head piece artifact as its only got 5% be stat but I'm not gonna grind for days and days just to try and get more BE when I can put it to building my other characters
Kinda where im at as f2p myself. Sitting around 360% with just HMC for buff support and using the sim u 5 star destruction light cone (fall of an aeon). Trying to decide if going for e1 or her light cone is more worth atm. Most of the relics dont have break effect rolls at all, and I dont have her planer relics yet.
But I have Gallagher and Xuyei still to build for her team, so they're the focus at the moment. I'm currently working with HMC and Guinafen for extra damage.
@@Kalanin399 I also don't have the SU 5* destruction LC yet but I will be using it on my firefly cause my jingliu has her LC and I'm skipping firefly LC for now cause I'm trying to gut ruan mei
why it only 8% increased?
i'm expected 11% more dmg since 400/360=1.11
Edit: i know it, it's (1+400%)/(1+360%) ~ 1.08
Diminishing returns
Her skill break scaling stops at 360, but its still good to go as high as possible since her super break damage doesn’t have a cap, or so I’ve gathered from the other comments.
@@callmerei It's not what Diminishing returns is.
@@L1amba no, it not it. Her skill break scaling always base on her BE. 360% is just the minimum that she got 50% scale.
@@khanhnguyentrung4060 yes it is rt
I somehow got 516% Break effect on her (Support character is HMC ONLY)
Watchmaker and HTB ult and E4 are insane for providing extra BE
@samueljo7910 yep.
My FF only has 238% break effect. Thanks to hmc/rm/Gallagher and all three have watch 4p.
Can easily upkeep watch buff and my break after buffs is 415%
@@Kspice9000heads up, you dont want 4p watchmaker on Gallagher, it doesnt work
@@Kspice9000 I think Ruan mei should use the speed set for extra boost in speed. If you want for your ff to act more often, give hmc the dance dance dance lc with an err to action forward ff everytime hmc use an ult.
i've got the around the same number of BE but with sw debuff i got around 300k-350k dmg :D
(f2p build no ruan mei)
12k dmg. It's 12k dmg.
The real question is how much more dmg she does at 3.5k and 360% break.
Break dmg is capped on super break and skill at 360%, atk does not seem to have any stipulations capping it's contribution to the skill formula.
The attack does nothing for her except for being converted to break effect. Overall for what I’ve heard her skill damage makes up less that 3% of her overall damage when harmony trailblazer ult is up. (Also attack itself has no effect on super break I’m pretty sure.)
Cuddy how do you read “attack converts to break effect” and still think attack is uncapped while break effect isn’t?
@@Somehuy77-kp4rz I believe he thought that attack played a part in the super break calculations itself not just through the conversion.
@@Noitssnotme I read his other comments, maybe he thinks that or maybe he thinks that the non superbreak damage is good enough to build attack for even with no crit…
I hve 519% BE with Ruan Mei lol
Can you tell me how much break effect you have on substats only
I have 568 be with hmc and ruan mei
@@abdshaaban2015 my e0s0 firefly have 190% BE and can reach 549% BE with ruan mei and 261% BE hmc
can you do 500% or 480% BE
(1+500%)/(1+360%) ~ 1.304 or 30.4% more dmg.
40 extra break effect for 13k damage?? nah im good
You have to understand that there are a lot of additional factors to this when in a normal match, in here he put clara and lynx down I assume for consistency, if you replace them with buffers then that extra 40% could be huge.
That counts for 8% of the damage
If we're talking about ideal scenarios then Ruan Mei with her Break Efficiency and Res Pen boosting the damage by quite a bit also with Gallagher multiplicative damage debuff he does for Break/Super Break that extra 40% is actually buffed by quite a bit.
it's always 8% more dmg, and that really alot.
for example, use Her LC over Aeon will have 17% more dmg.
You're a bad player then if you can't see how it's good
mine is at 600 in battle :/
traces always come first before relics
@@Bluzlbee did u reply the wrong comment im just wondering cuz i see no connection between my comment and ur reply
como esta o protagonista?? pq vagalume esta fraca com inimigo quebrado. nos dois caso esta fraca.
Me who gets 500% be in battle lmao.
damn bro you must be fun at parties
@@momomomomogi it's very easy to get lol most players get that. There is calc for it but you get like 300% for free lol
He is definitely fun at parties beacuse he have Fata Morgana as avatar... gg bro.
@@kanoshuya7850 fellow fatamoru fan, rare sight
460? I have 540
Unfortunately, her superbreak dmg only capped at 360%, the rest that exceed only for normal break and delaying more enemy turn, but it's still useful.
Yeah i call bs
Unless you use hmc, which why would you not
There is cap for superbreak ?
@@harry7679 only for firefly. It's built into her kit
@@kota3681her skill multiplier has a 360% BE cap, not her superbreak dmg
The difference is only in the initial break damage, as long as firefly break efficiency still the same or super break damage only cap at 50% of toughness damage, the only way to increase its Super break damage is only from vulnerability break debuff, RES Pen, or deff reduction/ignore
“Misinformation spreaded succesfully”-this guy, probably
You're wrong. break effect is one of super break scaleres.
@@MagicalNigachu lol, explain to me how? Mr right?
@@user-pz8fq4qm4b owh yeah sorry my bad, break effect also scale to superbreak
@@reza6428like you admited yourself, superbreak scales on BE, also firefly doesnt have a superbreak dmg cap, thats 50% is basically her superbreak multiplier lol
absolutely zero damage in any setup xD
Yep that's true 😂😂 but, if you got her e2 all content end game too easy dude 😅😅
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bait used to be believable 😔
@@rudiantoni1145 FF's e2 is most op e2 ever
Me when I lie
Trashy Midfly 😢
Oxi, todo esquisito
Only incels hate firefly 🤡
Robin is straight and Bootyhil is the weakest character ever.
why you using hackerspace
why he using clara and lynx
@@denteea just for breaking enemy weakness
@@f2p123 bro Firefly breaks any char by herself, just get Ruan Mei and bartender boy and ur damage will triple
@@YaBoiMemo313it's a 360% vs 400% dmg comparison showcase, not an actual play
I have the feeling that given firefly at E2 basically gets a mix of seele's and boothill's talent she's balanced towards having E2 above, Seele suffers the same issue of being initially weak at E0 due to the existence of her talent, however becomes a complete beast once invested due to her extra turns and scaling at E6S5, if they balanced her for E0 she would had easily powercrept any character in the game.
She most definitely isn't. In this showcase you have neither Asta nor Gallagher who are better team mates than lynx and Clara by far. If you have her premium team then you will see her hitting 300ks every attack at E0S0 and since she attacks 4 times per cycle that's 1.2 million Damage per cycle. She is the best even at E0.
@@aayushcamp7097 people comparing her mostly to acheron's 0 cycle ceiling mostly to prove she's bad investment. I do feel it's another seele vs DHIL case. E6 FF gets very close to acheron's damage due to her quicker toughness reduce plus super break damage increase and it's less dependant on both her teammates and enemy behaviour unlike acheron. A jingliu case even, ngl if you look more than her damage FF is super solid she's a break version of jingliu with blade sustain and if she's E2 she's also seele because of resurgence added with her spd increase by ult in a 3 by one character deal.
@@Reialine Acheron at any eidolon is only better for screenshot damage Vs Firefly with same eidolon level. Maybe that might change depending on Jiaqiu or future content having break lock but rn Firefly better
@@aayushcamp7097 yes people are just being silly. And have obstuse criteria for judging a character. Like pokke even judged acheron as capable of killing even stronger foes at 0 cycle that may potentially come later due to her potential nuke at the end of the first cycle if she's minmaxed with 300%+ crit dmg, now we have apocalyptic shadow that counts literally every action value and this already due to break gimmick makes having both boothill and firefly for each fight with boothill being advanced carry on cocolia and firefly with the hmc on argenti make the fight zoom.
In my case is so stupid to tell people to dont get a unit for power because of some obstuse logic, but i do know that if they made her scaling insane like acheron's or dhil her e2 would be way better than many characters e6.
I prefer to just make my favourite characters the strongest, saving jades until i can make my favourites e6s5 with god relics since its a thing i have since i played pso and warframe, minmax your favourite characters rather than always chasing the meta. I have acheron on my sights but i go for priorities, first it was jingliu, then firefly came out and next will be the quantum charas seele, silver wolf and sparkle because i love all those characters and want to make their party strong. Firefly came spontaneously but im halfway with building the eidolons and lc of my quantum team with sw at e2s1 sparkle at e1s1, fu xuan at e1s1 and seele at e0s1 aiming to e2sX whenever her banner comes, and then ill go optimizing the firefly team by getting ruan mei the e6 to prolong the break duration, Acheron might come after with possibly the best i can make her, ill worry about the optimal characters for her once its her turn, also hoping one day my bronya gets to e6, e2s5 atm so i can optimize my jingliu e6s5 more.
I ignore a lot of the meta like dot and fua but my parties are demolishing even gng in 12 no prob. I hate the idea of dropping characters i enjoy for meta powercreep so i go all out in those, its why eidolons and superimpositions exist for me.
@@Reialinemr whale, u dont meed to swipe anymore all of those characters 0 cycle at e0 s1 and some at e2 if you really need to