Omg i KNOW NOBODY who watched vampire knight. please please please do a review lmao. i loved it as a kid and watched it again recently its so bad lol. i would Love for somebody to talk about it at all.
okay i dont make requests often but id love a review of tokyo mew mew! its getting a remake soon and i'd love your thoughts on it lmao. i figure with your appreciation of magical girl anime and early 2000s content it'd be right up your alley. love ur videos!!
I loved tamaki as the love interest for haruhi. A lot of people complained that it wasn’t “subversive” enough for them to get together in the end but in an age where most shoujo male leads were perfect, mean bullies to the female leads, haruhi ending up with a goofy himbo who worships the ground she walks on was perfect
Honestly I think Ouran should get a reboot. It’s one of those shows that stays timeless and can appeal to each generation. I feel that if we get a reboot it would be a good way to stick more to the manga and then hopefully be able to get see the entire story animated.
It was kind of ahead of it's time in my opinion with making so many references to people may be gay, while still having troublesome stereotypes and stuff in it So I think now that a lot of people are coming out as nonbinary in a safer environment it would probably resonate with people all over again
Right but though it's really good some of it has aged like cheese in the west such as with gender, homosexuality, and cross dressing. The plot is amazing but theyd change so much it wouldnt hit right.
I just watched it in dub. Maybe just some editing with the shit they say 😭 it kinda disturbs me when we meet ranka and the dub calls it a "tr**ny bar" while the subs call it a "drag bar". I think the latter implies something sexual while the other implies something more performative. But she's just crossdressing. Also if Ranka really is trans, they say alot of transphobic shit bro it's crazy 😭
Something I distinctly remember from the manga is that everyone in the school (or at least the females) knew that Haruhi was a female, but they just didn't care. It was a throwaway line in the last book, but it's so sweet to think about.
I just reread that, and it is actually that they thought Haruhi liked dressing as a woman and was dating Tamaki in secret because their love was "taboo". Haruhi's father drops she is his daughter, not son, when her and Tamaki go to America, and the fangirls were there. They expressed shock that Haruhi was a woman and not a man, and tell the other hosts about thinking Haruhi liked to crossdress and secretly was dating tamaki lol. There is a little box on that page that says "All this time they thought she was a girly (likely gay) boy." Still, it was cool that they accepted those factors (cross-dressing and two guys in love), and I am sure if we got to see the fangirls when they returned from studying abroad, they would have excepted Haruhi as herself.
I found it actually brilliant that Tamaki's backstory wasn't revealed until the end of the show. A lot of times, as viewers and readers, we are privy to information that we aren't supposed to know, and our perception of the character is shaped it. How often do we see a character hated by others only to feel "no, don't hate them, they have a reason to act this way, you just don't know it!" So, in a way, we are used to feeling entitled to a character's past, or their secrets. The way Tamaki's past is revealed to us as viewers is, in my opinion, is very similar to how you would learn something about a friend in real-life. When you make a new friend, you don't know their past right away. You're not supposed to. You're not entitled to that information. You have to go off of the impressions and interactions you have in the moment, and it may take years for you to learn about a tragic event, or a life-changing experience your friends has gone through. And what you lean may change your perception, kind of the way it changes our perception of Tamaki when we learn more about him.
Andrias from Amphibia basically works the same way. We get a hint of something dealing with his past in the S2 finale but because of everything else dealing with him and the episode in general it doesn’t feel like that big of a thing. But then we get to a later S3 episode that focuses on his past and suddenly so much dealing with him makes a lot more sense as well as makes him into an even better character as he’s now complex. In fact rewatching the show after seeing that episode and the final three, me and a close friend have come to notice how much hints there was to how he really is and it makes us love this giant salamander even more than we already do.
Hmmm. She's a great protagonist, and a great character, but you'd have to be more specific, because there's plenty of good characters in shoujo. If the problem is when they're girly, then I disagree. If the problem is when they're written to appeal to a male fanbase and have no personality of their own, then we have some common ground.
@@nanahuatli2144 The problem is definitely the second. There are too many female leads in shoujos that I can count with the same copy-paste personality. Haruhi is a breath of fresh air
another brilliant aspect of the show is that it isn't just a great shojo anime, its a CRITIQUE of shojo animes. It uses the customers and renge as a way to analyze shojo culture and then uses haruhi's realism to point out every single one of it's flaws AND THEN uses the boys in the host club to add counter points to show those elements often seen as flaws in a better light. It's truly genius
It's even a critique of every part of the society of 2000 (Haruhi's dad is the best thing ever). The sarcasm they used is for that purpose and it's pretty funny!
The beach episode in three manga is different from the anime, Tamaki was upset she went alone and didn’t get anyone to help her, not because she’s a girl. :( I wish they kept that in and not changed it
I first watched this in middle school, it was an instant favorite for me. Anyone who claims this show is shallow hasn’t watched it. This show has a lot of depth. Also how casually they play with themes of sexuality and gender, this show was ahead of it’s time.
I actually DO think this series could benefit from a re-boot. I think it has a similar case to Fruits Basket, another really popular early 2000s shoujo anime that was recently revitalized to complete the story after the original anime stopped before it was over. And *that* re-boot was popular enough to get a prelude movie.
Personally I hope they don’t reboot it because it would lose it’s more unique artistic style much like Fruits Basket. While getting the whole story animated is nice… there’s probably things you don’t want animated. Much like Fruits Basket…
Tamaki VS Hikaru was a HOT debate in 2006, as someone who lived through it. Though my personal favorite was always Kyouya ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I also loved at the end how it was Haruhi who did the "Stop them from getting on the airplane(or x thing whatever it is) and confess my feelings" trope instead of the man.
Ouran Highschool Host Club is one of those anime's that looks like it's going to be horrible at first glance, but once you watch it you realize just how amazing it really is. Something about the color palette, the characters, the humor, it all spoke to me and made me feel so seen. Every episode I loved, many made me tear up in the cute and meaningful moments sprinkled amongst the wacky humor. This show is one that will always have a place in my heart, and to this day when someone asks me "What's your all time favorite anime?" I proudly respond "Ouran Highschool Host Club" with zero shame.
I want to add a fun fact onto this: In the manga, Haruhi does fall in love with Tamaki but is despite all Tamaki's clinginess afraid of confessing to him. They have an actual nightmare once in which they confesses to him and he responds something along the lines of "I love myself too" 😂
For the episode where Tamaki gets mad on Haruhi and says she's a girl, in the manga Haruhi was 1 against 3 guys, and it was made very obvious that the guys were close enough where if Haruhi called for help, the host club would've heard her easily and could've gone over to help her. In the manga the point of girl was just brought up as a additional point and Tamaki heavily focused on the face that she was outnumbered by 2 additional people and should've asked for help. I wished the anime actually made this episode more closely to the manga instead of what was made.
@@DiamondsRexpensive Does it really matter that much to you? 😅 I mean, the character Haruhi themself said they don't care what gender people recognize them as, so why are YOU so pressed about it? (Edit:) Just gonna add this here so people can stop trying to twist my words: I never stated you can't call Haruhi a she or he, I just pointed out there wasn't a need for correction. Please let that sink in before commenting if you're offended by the usage of "they", because that argument is invalid.
"Nostalgia marketing doesn't work with anime and manga" Excuse me??? Did we forget about the return of Fruits Basket, and how wildly popular that was?? Fruits Basket only had one season originally in like 2001, but was remade and put out in 2019 with great success! It was one of the most hyped animes of the season, and it finished the plot of the manga. If Host Club got the Fruits Basket treatment, I think it would be very popular.
I was thinking this too!!!! Fruits Basket was my introduction to anime and manga and at the time (I was 10 or 11) I actually really disliked it, especially after the unsatisfying sudden end to the anime, and I gave up on reading the manga. But my friend convinced me to watch the reboot and I loved it, and it got me to read the manga all the way through while I was waiting for season 2 to come out, and now it's one of my favorite series!
Haruhi was more my aromantic awakening. She has so much fun flirting and hanging out with these guys without (in the show proper) ever getting into a romantic relationship. So often we only see close affectionate relationships as romantic. Haruhi was allowed to just enjoy their company and attention.
Even with the more romantic plot lines in the manga I always related to Haruhi as an ace person. If you enjoyed that aspect of Haruhi I would recommend "My Next Life as a Villainous". Minor spoilers but the main character is completely oblivious to the fact she has her own harem and is just happy everyone wants to be her friend. I head canon her as aro/ace XD
As someone that followed Ouran as it was publishing, the reason that the second season was so delayed/not made is because the manga was put on hiatus multiple times due to Bisco Hatori's health. They had another manga too called Millennium Snow that had a nearly 10 year hiatus before it was ended. I remember after a particularly long hiatus after the anime for Ouran had ended, most of the fandom had petered off in interest, so the actual finale for the manga was a quiet affair. I kinda hoped when Fruits Basket was rebooted that a bunch of the old Shoujo anime/manga I read in high school would get new adaptations. I want completed works!
@@lush2910 I never watched the live-actions, is it even accurate picking up the manga material or did it go the way of the anime ending with original stuff?
Weirdly enough, I was one of those peeps who passed on Death Note as Edgy McEdgerton Edgelord nonsense, while absolutely embracing Ouran Host Club as one of the best things ever made for all time (owning both the blu-ray and the entire manga series!). However, I am still a cisgender straight dude (somehow), so I feel robbed of the cultural zeitgeist surrounding this shoujo anime a little.
Ironic that the seiyuu ( Japanese voice actor) for Light and Tamaki are the same person. There are even videos that showed Miyano Mamoru (the aforementioned seiyuu), voicing both. It's actually pretty funny.
Is there big difference between manga and anime? If yes, I will read it. You can be straight and into Ouran, but year, you will never have a crush one one of the boys like a girl would. But I am a woman and I am sure it would be interesting to see the show with the eyes of a man too.
Quick note: in my country they translated 6:35 scene as "I don't mind dressing up as a man even thought I have the body of a woman, since I haven't decided yet what I want to be" LIKE!!! WOW!! COULD HARUHI BE MORE NB!?
It sounds like she’s comfortable with her own body and being who she is. She doesn’t care how people view her, if they see her as a boy or a girl. She’s androgynous.
The thing that hooked me right away with Ouran that I've never had with any other anime is that Haruhi was instantly so relatable- mostly because she's basically written as the voice of the reader/viewer. All the things that you think to yourself while reading manga or watching anime are said in a delicious deadpan by Haruhi, and you get that instant satisfaction of seeing the characters looking shocked that anyone would be so brazen. To anyone who loves Ouran but hasn't read the manga, I HIGHLY recommend it. The first several chapters are word for word the same as the show, but then it shoots off into a much more satisfying, complex, and romantic series. And the weird rushed ending with Eclair or whatever her name was doesn't happen at all, which I appreciate because GOD she was annoying.
One of the reason Haruhi stood out so much was the fact she wasn’t a self insert which harem anime in general have especially if they are a visual novel adaptation.
Personally, I think an Ouran reboot would do really well considering how well the Fruits Basket reboot did in 2019. Fruits Basket wasn't NEARLY as well known as Ouran always has been, so I think a reboot would be exactly what it needs to expand what we didn't get to see. Like Fruits Basket, the original 2000s adaptation only had one season and changed the ending of the story (albeit, Ouran changed way more from the finale than Fruits Basket did), and I think most fans and people who's introduction to Ouran would be the reboot would all enjoy seeing the show with a fresh layer of paint and there would be a significant opportunity to change and fix the show's very apparent problems with LGBTQ issues. Also on this note, I highly recommend Fruits Basket for a video!!
Omg. I tried watching the original Fruits Basket and I couldn’t stand it. The colors were washed out and the designs looked slightly…bulkier than the reboot which is more vibrant
I agree w you on the reboot but no back then Fruits Basket was HIGHLY successful (anime and manga) and it was a lot of people’s gateway anime (especially in the west). I think there hasn’t been a reboot cause of Tamaki’s dub VA. the dub is very beloved and it wouldn’t be the same without him
Agreed. A OHSHC reboot would be very much enjoyable especially to older generations who love the anime dearly. The only issue is that Tamaki’s Dub VA no longer works for funimation so idk how a reboot (especially a dubbed reboot) can be made without dear Vic
Mmm You might be right. Ouran sold 13 million copies in japan and fruit basket 18 million (which maked fruit basket more popular by a few mil) but ouran could be the next fruit basket if it was given the time.
I feel so bad for Tamaki. People hate him and it is not his fault.... he says awful things yes, but never out of malice, but ignorance He is a good boy. A good himbo, and he deserves Haruhi It hurts how people treat him because of a few bad comments. He is not a bad love interest, he is not... AND THE MANGA IS SO MUCH BETTERa
@@hinasakukimi he maybe a himbo but at least he's handsome, literally their top student in class in grades and rich too but sadly you are right because he is indeed a himbo but heeeyy he loves haruhi too much and haruhi really loves his oddness
honestly i feel like the success of the fruits basket reboot gives me hope that an ouran reboot would be good 😭 haruhi is so important to me the manga was so so good i just want ouran to get the same treatment that fruits basket got 😭
Conservatives will say that introducing lgbt concepts to kids will confuse them, but 14 year old me heard Haruhi say she didn’t care which pronouns she was referred to with and I just immediately accepted it without hesitation. Nothing confusing about it at all
Kyouya's arc is one of my favorites in any series. I don't know if you caught it, but in the end he didn't need his father to give him the company, he actually BOUGHT all the debt the company was in with money he earned HIMSELF through the host club and other ventures. He then took the company he now OWNED and gave it back to his father. Not because he couldn't handle the company, but because he didn't NEED his father's recognition or approval anymore. It didn't mean anything. And I don't know, maybe I related more to Kyouya's family issues, but I loved where he ended up, and was so proud of him for breaking through that frame and painting something incredible.
Underrated arc! relatable and aspirational....soooo satisfying! I remember as a kid thinking about how much the vase cost....how much revenue he generated for just the host club and managed to turn money into more money....and wondering how on earth he could possibly feel like a failure? Glad he stopped looking at himself through the eyes of his father.
This show is a timeless representation of the female gaze. Loved it when it came out and rewarch it all the time. Its genuinely funny and smart. I think you guessed our experiences well lmao
2006 was a long time ago tbh, I think this show did great for what it is. Truly. 2000s media was all cancelable now lmao it's alarming when you look back
@@genera1013 tbh I feel like a lot of issues that were brought up in the video were resolved in the manga, there are tons of episodic chapters so it can be easy to lose interest but much more of the emotional+romantic content is put near the end of the manga where the anime didn't reach
@@DeadHaremGuy Actually himbos and bimbos are slightly different. A himbo is usually a sweetheart meathead. There are a lot of female himbos. Bimbos goes more in the direction of airhead and appearance focused, and a bit catty. Howl from howls moving castle is also a great example of a male bimbo. A great example for femal himbo would Scorpia from She-ra
Something I really love about this show was how it did a really good job (at least to me) of showcasing that Tamaki is not a bad or mean guy, but that he says insensitive things, he’s just ignorant. He’s a genuinely sweet guy with a good heart and good intentions, my favorite moments was how he was the only host to notice and pay his respect to Haruhi’s mother. Now THAT is what solidified to me that him and Haruhi would end up together.
This show was my shit back in highschool we almost got an approval to do something similar to this but the anime club was shut down due to budget cuts.
Your clubs had a budget, as in, you were allocated money, from the school!? Man, in my high school, any club that wasn't sports or drama, was essentially an illegal underground club. There were no funds, events were private and only club members onew about them, we weren't allowed to stay after school hours, so club activities were held during class hours, and large events were done at one of the members houses. Maaan you musta gone to a well off school to have shit like a club budget, hell, to even have clubs other than sports and drama, fancy shit my guy
@@husky6732 almost school have budgets for extra curricular things, the important thing here and why budgets matter are if they are able to keep a staff member on site for a club or sports team etc. To run a club they will often need a teacher or staff member available , and they need to be paid for that extra time worked or for that extra class offered etc. if there’s no money to keep that staff member or teacher after school, before school, during the summer etc. Is often why there are cuts. The schools I’ve worked at have had budget cuts that have required letting go of the people who run those things - no tech class/computer lab no school computer lab teacher , no languages classes no languages teachers , no school library no school librarian etc. principals will receive a Budget for the year and if they can’t keep a staff member will let them go - our school had a few teachers let go bc the school could not afford that many teaching positions … so if they can’t afford to pay teachers extra to like stay after school to lead anime club etc. no one is gonna do it for free! Teachers do enough unpaid work as it is. I’m glad to hear your school’s culture has students who were diligent and passionate enough to create their own clubs regardless of whether it was official or not!! That’s so amazing :) But yeah in general, even not very well off schools receive a budget, they just choose where to allocate the money and sometimes these extra curricular things are not where they put the money :( or like in your school , drama and sports is where they put money into paying a teacher to coach or hiring an extra teacher to do drama. They need a qualified person in their spots and those people need to be paid to be there! it sucks but American public education sucks , we just do our best with what we have :’)
Being an impressionable teen when this came out, it opened my eyes to CLOTHES ARE JUST CLOTHES and no need to label them. Also that Haruhi us just an icon in general.
[Don't trust my judgement, it's false and rumors from what I heard when I was a child.] I've heard people that Mori was supposed to be the main love interest of the show because the creator wanted the two together, but after getting a lot of feedback and fans of the manga (while it's still ongoing) saying that they love Tamaki, the creator had to change Mori to Tamaki as the main love interest. It's also the reason why you see some Mori and Haruhi moments (like helping Haruhi out without question, addressing her by her first name, yea) during the first few volumes/episodes edit: Bisco Hatori (the creator of OHSHC) admitted that Mori was a potential love interest. How the change happened is what I remember of what the other fans said back then (back in 2012) but idk if that was confirmed or they were wrong (probably wrong). But it doesn't matter considering that Tamaki is endgame (It's clearly obvious and I was all for it. If you read the manga, yk what happened next with the two). It's cool to know tho.
She actually does end up with one of them. It's just in the manga. it's really late in there like to the end of the manga. The twins also become more of themselves instead of looking exactly alike. It's kind of like they split up but it's not a sad ending. I'm trying not to spoil it but give you a little bit of information.
It's so weird to hear NL talk about this as if it's just now getting attention. The anime was HUGE when it came out. It was one of the anime you could most rely on other anime geeks having seen!
For me, ouran is a comfort series. I absolutely cherish it and love all the characters in their own unique ways. I've read the entirety of the manga series as well a few years after first watching the series because I moved to a new school that had the entire collection, and I still would love to see a second season for ouran. The rest of the manga, I'd argue, is basically essential for one to truly understand the series, characters, and the depth it truly has. It also has insightful conversations about mental health, healthy relationships and boundaries, and is overall a really good read for anyone who liked the original anime. It also reexplains concepts that were missed in the anime, like honey and mori's siblings and the whole situation with Haruhi's father
It’s my comfort series too. I rewatch it at least once a year (sometimes I get stuck in a cycle of just rewatching it endlessly) and I plan on buying the manga to finally finish it (it was still releasing in the US when I started).
I’ve always felt that Tamaki being old fashioned at times was because of his upbringing. I’m not trying to justify him being old fashioned but explain it. I haven’t watched the show in a while or read the entire manga, so I could be wrong.
To me, there's nothing wrong to being raised old fashioned. I think there needs to be more things being old fashioned like having virtues and similar stuff to that.
@@ElliotSunshine are or aren't? I'm confused what you mean by that. Like is being old fashioned is completely wrong? Or are you agreeing with me and pointing out the negatives?
For the longest time I couldn't figure out why this show struck such a chord with me. Now, knowing I am aro ace, I am fully aware that it was refreshing to see a main charecter with no immediate desire for romance. Haruhi does things because she cares about people first and foremost, romance isn't off of the table, but she is a person with a life outside of love and that life takes precedence. Haruhi stays in the host club because she enjoys it, not because of any romantic attractions to her club mates. I also find a lot of comfort in the abundance of comedy, that's mostly just a me thing though
this show appeals to me as an aro/ace becasue theres a lot of platonic relationships, lie yes one of the twin, and tamaki specifically have a crush on haruhi, but with most of the cast it's more like flirty moments to remind you it's a harem anime, and i like the idea of being able to flirt platonically and all that
I actually like that it's a romantic comedy. Sometimes romance is kind of boring to me, so the comedy keeps me engaged. As much as I adore and love Fruits Basket, I'm more likely to rewatch something lighter, like Ouran.
I feel like a lot of people don't realize what they are getting into with Fruits Basket. It doesn't fall into most of the tropes or trends common in shojou. So if someone is looking for something that is mostly romance or mostly comedy or mostly slice of life, Fruits Basket is not the manga/anime for them. Although, the reboot does make it look like there's an actual love triangle, more so than the manga or old anime, so maybe people who like romantic tension would like it more...
If you'd like a romantic comedy that basically lacks romance, Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki kun is a top tier choice. Some of the pairs are getting together in the manga but in the anime, it has the earlier part of the story and is just really funny with a bit of ship tease and lots of making fun of shoujo tropes
I feel to this day OHHC's fandom is still very strong and present. By just announcing a new season the fandom would already go crazy. We would watch it for the story and the nostalgia of the characters, that I think of how different it would be from the original doesn't matter. I know a lot of fans were like teenagers when this got out and all of kind of grew up with it, it just that series that's so close to your heart and it just sad that they left it with one season. Until this day I still hope for a season 2 to come out.
I'm almost 60 and I love this show. I discovered it on Netflix a few years ago and enjoyed its humor but also how none of the characters are cardboard cut outs. Yes, they are stereotypes, but they do get fleshed out more than most shows. You are absolutely correct in that Tamaki has a huge heart. He's experienced pain but all that means is he doesn't want others to feel the way he did. It's a cute, fluffy, enjoyable show, that I'll rewatch when I'm feeling down because at its core its about love and hope.
i watched ouran for the first time when i was 13 and it completely changed my life, im almost 19 and im still in love (and maybe a little obsessed) with ouran - its such a nostalgic and comforting show and the show was my introduction to many more difficult topics, tied in with romance and comedy. tamaki is my favourite himbo and i will protect him with my life
We definitely needed more backstory for Mori. I’m aware his role of the show is “the guy with one line an episode,” but they gave us almost nothing about him. His entire backstory is “He and Hunny have linked families.” Theres absolutely nothing about his home life or anything that maybe encourage him to be as quiet as he is.
I think there's more backstory in the manga if I'm correct and also since there are other characters that aren't shown in the anime. For example, Mori's little brother, Satoshi, and another female character named Mei (understandable since you first meet her later in the manga).
In the beginning stages of OHHC mori was actually the main love interest, so honestly, i think when that was scrapped, moris backstory got largely ignored sadly
Can I just say that till this day Haruhi is one of the best shojo protagonist, she's not trying to be cute, she's not an eccetric try-hard, She's just being her true blunt self, not caring about image how people percieve her but is there for the host club as they become her friends. Most importantly it's one of those anime where a girl can actually become a friend with bunch of guys without her instantly falling in love with them just because they're handsome. Like not even nowadays shojo can do what Haruhi could, also the beach episode still hit's so hard, because it must have been so heartbroken for Haruhi that in the end they saw just a girl in her atomatically with assumptions, without considering that she can defend anyone else as them... Simply stan Haruhi, because we won't get anyone closer to her maybe Nobara though that's a shonen character
Ouran will forever be one of my all time favorites. There just hasn’t been anything else like it released into anime or any kind of mainstream media. The art style, the voice actors, the humor, the satire, the insight, the treating things with so much normalcy that weren’t really considered normal at the time. It’s a great gateway anime & if you haven’t read the manga for it, highly recommend. You will not be disappointed.
The most interesting thing about your review is that you are looking at it through modern lenses. It really highlights the HUGE societal differences we have now a days. But you need to keep in mind that a lot of the themes explored in the show are still presented by people who lived in a world very different from the one we are currently on. A lot of the things you call misogynistic (because they are) are not even considered bad back then. Remember this was made by people trying to be progressive. It reminds me of my own experience because back in highschool on the early 2010s I was considered to be extremely progressive. I had (and still do) a lot of opinions that people wouldn't even consider, especially when it came to sexuality. But at some point the lines moved and now those exact same views are considered conservative...even thou they never changed...in a way, it's a good thing but it also scares me a bit because if we can look at OHHC and say that its misogynistic...I feel like we have gone too far lmao
We haven't gone too far. The show was progressive for its time and one can appreciate that, but that doesn't mean all of its aspects have aged well. Our society is progressing and standards are changing every day. This is a good thing. People are becoming more aware of issues related to gender and sexism which is improving the lives of a lot of people, me included. Just because this show's messages are somewhat outdated nowadays it doesn't mean that one can't love the show anymore. I get feeling special for one's progressive views ( I know I did at some point) and wanting to maintain that feeling, but maintaining it at the cost of people's awareness of social problems and having those affected continue to suffer in silence and confusion doesn't help anyone. Times are always changing and everything becomes a relic of the past eventually. Wouldn't it be better to look to the future and participate in changing the world for the better and help those suffering underthe rules of the old instead of clinging to past ideologies because of nostalgia for the old days that probably weren't as great as one remembers them? It's important to look at older media with a critical eye, so it can't be used to glorrify the issues of the past, no matter how progressive it may have been for its time. The original Star Trek series was considered progressive durring its time, but it isn't anymore for good reason.
@@b.h.4249 I feel like you may have misinterpreted my point. My statement was that the fact that was considered extremely taboo due to how progressive it was is now considered offensive by progressives. And it's been like what? 15 years? It used to take hundreds of years for social change to happen now it feels like things that were okay 5 years ago can get you cancelled now. That's my concern. We are moving way too fast and its unrealistic for us to expect change to set in this fast so we have tons of people getting the short end of the stick for it.
@@babylonshadows1877 I did misinterpret it, my bad. I agree with you there. Social changes are happening very quickly and some people take them too far while others struggle to adapt which leads to a lot of unnecessary conflict. I wish I could say a middle ground would be the answer, but I'm honestly not sure. This situation is complicated as all hell. X) Thank you for being so respectful in your reply, I appreciate it a lot (UA-cam comment sections have made me kinda paranoid). Hope you have a great day/night!
I just watched OHSHC and thought that many times "Woww, what a thing to say in that time. Very brave" and I wont be scared of that because this is what exactly being progressive means. You let your thought evolve more and more all the time but the evolution that you need requires the less perfect thoughts too. You can only evolve something isn't perfect.
I always shipped Haruhi with Koya simply because while he always teased her, he treated Haruhi like a competent person & with respect. But the reason it was only one season, was because the manga was still on going & the anime had already overtaken where the manga was at the time of development. (the contents of the last few episodes are not even in the manga) This is one of the anime's I'd love to see get a reboot/remake.
@@bluebay1031 because he essentially threatens to rape her in order to prove his point that she is a woman no matter how much she acts like a man and can’t defend herself. I love him but it’s honestly a disgusting scene and friends shouldn’t treat friends like that (or a love interest either)
@@jimena6194 I honestly think it is pretty disgusting. However, I like the interpretation better that It's not Haruhi's fault for being a girl, but rather her fault for not asking for help when she knows she has friends nearby.
@@jimena6194guys you missed the entire point, it was never his intention to rape Haruhi in the first place and he wouldn't do it even if she reacted differently. Tamaki voicing his concern towards Haruhi was poorly worded, she couldn't understand until everyone else explained it to her, then Kyoya became the bad guy to help her understand the point even better. What worse could've happened if those thugs at the beach found out that Haruhi is a girl after pissing them off? She was defenseless and she can be easily taken advantage of by bad guys. Haruhi is an important friend to them, so they want her to be more mindful of her own safety.
I honestly love Tamaki. I loved him because he says such stupid weird things and he is so over the top. But honestly, the Japanese voice overs are great. I can't take the English voice overs at all
The manga was still ongoing when the anime came out, I believe, so Ouran's actually dealing with an FMA situation - the true ending of the manga hadn't happened yet, and the beginning of the series is heavily episodic compared to later sections, so they made up a non-canon ending that doesn't actually match up with what canon turned out to be. So they would need to either entirely reboot the series or keeping making up their own timeline if they wanted to do a second season.
I mean Trigun had this same problem, the anime finished before the manga was done so they just winged it and now are making a reboot, trigun stampede And I am SO HAPPY .
@@samshimis I say give it about ....eh, like 5 years maybe. It took trigun for the manga to be out of print for about a decade or two for it to get a reboot of both anime and manga
As a girl, same. It was nice to not see a damsel in distress and show what a real young girl is like. No high pitched voice, and she was just her. She didn’t care how you saw her. I don’t do labels, probably because of haruhi. I never cared, why do others? Im a human lol
@@salami7515 same here, this anime really allowed people to discover their true gender, it sure as hell helped me. It's one of the closest things we get to trans characters in media (good representation) it's sad to know that's about all we get though, I can't really think of any trans rep in media that doesn't have it as a conflict in the story.
@@Ray-dar it really did,if youre looking for a show with somewhat good representation theres a show called dead end paranormal park,the main character is a trans guy,its mentioned occasionally but its not the main focus the whole show is just about this theme park and strange things happen there,i really recommend it if you havent seen it already.
@@salami7515 I just so happened to come across that series recently. I agree, it really is a nice bit of representation that doesn't seem pushed at the forefront of what makes the character unique. 10/10
This series is so special to me. I was 14, hunting down every issue I could get my broke hands on. Through a network of girls who’s parents were afraid of anime making them gay. And the danger and homophobia only made manga like this more heart pounding! Secret contraband stashes, finding locations to read secretly, getting raided and having your friends hold your stash. It’s horrific remembering how the parents were treating their children, but I do remember our time reading in secret fondly.
I like how OHSHC kind of serves as a deconstruction of reverse haram tropes and other typical shojo tropes. The characters and their interactions we're all interesting and funny. My favorite characters are Haruhi, Hikaru and Kaoru, Honey, Kyouya, and Renge.
this is one of my first animes in middle school. i think your take is correct! i felt seen by haruhi and loved how the host club adored her. this anime is still my comfort show
First things first: I love Negative's hair in this video. It suits them so well omg, just gorgeous. And second: Haruhi is an icon for those of us who grew up struggling (or in her case, flat-out refusing) to conform to the assigned gender roles society has put on us. This anime came out when I was 16 (yes I am old) and I had never related so much to a character in any form of media as I did to Haruhi. The fact that she was the only 'normal' character in a world full of caricatures and weirdos gave me hope that I may not be as weird as people made me out to be, just because I never liked stereotypically girly things.
Wow I just looked at it, and their eyeliner is so beautiful I just stared at it for two minutes☺️ (hope it's okay I said "they", I did not remember if there is a characterization they prefer so I relied on your comment😅
And Haruhi gives me autistic vibes too. Haruhi has some autistic traits. Hard time reading social cues/emotions, cant tolerate loud noises, bluntness and a monotone voice. A lot of this show was unintentional representation
I'm an afab enby, so Haruhi and a couple other gender bent characters like them really inspired me when I was small. At the time I could only really express it as "I want to be able to pass for a pretty boy," and, honestly, that's way closer to my actual gender identity than I ever would have been exposed to if I'd been limited to western media growing up. Naturally my mother was horrified when I tried to share clips from this show with her.🤣
You'll grow out of it and you missed the whole point of Haruhi by virtue of watching things that weren't for kids because your parents were ignorant/neglectful.
Right ! Same here ! I'm also afab and came out online and to people who I talked to a lot that I'm nonbinary, Haruhi was a legend to me growing up. My mother was also horrified when I wanted to cosplay nothing but boys, I use the excuse all my favorites just happen to be men and cosplay is a tribute ssooo....boys clothes. Ironically I felt more like I was in a clown costume in the stupid dresses my family tried giving me rather than the guy cosplays
Ooh, so you relate to a female character that a LOT of other girls relate to, and decide you’re a boy! Have you ever considered that you’re just misogynistic?
Tamaki is confusing on his views on women, but I really like it, he feels more real. It's incredibly rare to find someone in real life that doesn't contradict themselves once in a while. It also shows that instinctively he isn't misogynistic, but when it comes to Haruhi he suddenly is. He protects her with old ideas, much like a father would. He's emulating a boomer father, and a boomer father would have old, controversial ideas on women.
My gosh. Haven't finished the video, but I wanted to make this clear. Miss Ayanokoji, the girl who threw Haruhi's bag in the fountain, is not the same girl as Kasugazaki, the girl that jumps around Host members, but with short hair. She's a completely different character. I don't think miss Ayanokoji makes a reappearance for the rest of the story after chapter/episode 1. I'm sure this is trivial, but it just irked me.
@@kalenamyers3235 , Huh. Then she doesn't make an reappearance after chapter 1 of the manga. The manga does have a Haruhi in Wonderland chapter, but the story it tells is completely different from what I remember from the anime, and it's been quite some time since I watched the anime. Thanks for the correction.
I'm a youngster, born a year before OHSHC came out. My parents really liked Ouran, and I was raised as a kid watching it for fun. And now that I'm older, I can see the impact of it. Haruhi was my role model, considering I really resonated with her (and now I know I'm non-binary, so there's that). I don't know if my parents even realized what impact watching Ouran throughout my childhood might have. I grew up having positive traits correlated with characters that also had queer traits, such as Haruhi's dad, who was a good, hardworking, and caring parent, as well as someone born biologically male (and still referred to as "dad" by his kid) and also was feminine. I grew up thinking it was completely fine for people of the same gender to be in relationships together, and that gender was fairly fluid and could travel outside the strict binary options. I grew up understanding the nuance of some messages that I don't think my parents expected me to understand (like how the all-girl's school was the same problem of sexism, just reversed). I also got perspective on how all kinds of personalities and all kinds of genders and gender presentations could be attractive (might just be me, now I know that I am very bisexual lmaooo). Its really weird but very nice to watch this video, because the perspective in the video and in the comments is from people that found Ouran later in life than me, and thus felt they were introduced to something new. I get to understand my parents' perspectives a little better. Meanwhile, my perspective is having grown up with this, and having a positive and understanding view on queerness since a very young age. This was a normal thing for me, and was established as such, whether my parents intended that or not. It feels good to see Ouran from a fresh perspective, and revisit such a cornerstone of my childhood so that I can reflect on it and learn.
I think I liked Tamaki for Haruhi more because of how good he is. How much he cares about EVERYONE, even if he oftens says something idiotic in the heat of the moment. The whole club loves her, friendly or romantically, and Haruhi makes friends with people who would move mountains for her.
I’m a girl, and I’ve always kinda been a tomboy who sometimes wore clothes that were a little more girly. My mom didn’t like me being very tomboyish as she always dressed me as girly girl when I was a toddler, and wished I would dress more girly when I was older. When I watched OHSHC when I was in Middle school, Haruhi actually made me feel more comfortable with both aspects of myself because of how she really didn’t care if she was wearing more boyish clothes or if she dressed more girly. She was always Haruhi regardless, and I really admired that. Now, I still wear a mix of girly clothes and Tom boyish clothes because I can wear what I want and be who I am.
I DESPERATELY DESPERATELY want a season two 😭 i actually haven't had the chance to read the manga, but this video has made me determined to make that happen.
Haruhi and Kyoko (Skip Beat) both have a special place in my heart for being unusual shojo protagonists, and both Ouran and Skip Beat are very good at subverting shojo tropes. (i read the manga for both) i too, loved Vampire Knight until the sibling reveal 😞 but the impact that the openings and endings had on me is unmatched. Edgy visual masterpieces (and the songs are great, too)
6.46 that girls name is Kanako Kasugazaki. 5.52 the girl from episode one is named Seika Ayanokoji. They are two different people. Ayanokoji gets permanently banned from the Host Club from Tamaki.
honestly that last episode was SO frustrating even if you weren't invested in the story because suddenly we jump from having micro issues to solve (like what to do with haruhi and the physical examination) to the main cast's lives being turned upside down???, and then it ends??? i wanted to cry when that happened ngl 😭😭
Half the joy of watching this (as a much older person in that time) was the cringe factor. And the other half was just loving the characters for who they were. The twincest still icks me, but I always took it as "they are playing a part." Which goes back into it being a host club. Basically, all of us watched it and lived it because it was joyful in its own way
I freaking loved this anime. The characters had a great deal of depth and loved how they all interacted with each other both positively and negatively. How their backstories explain who they are people.
Just watching these clips made me realize Haruhi was quite literally the only "female" protag I genuinely liked as a kid.... seeing who I grew up to be and it makes so much sense I feel so attacked rn. Also I think nostalgia marketing works sometimes, for example Fruits Basket was so loved that they recently remade it to do right by the fans that begged. Black Butler gets an anime adaptation every few years. I won't be surprised if in a few years they announce a remake for this especially with queer culture being more accepted mainstream. My only concern is either they'll just completely remove the queer aspects of everyone or it'll be played into too much to the point it feels like pandering or just offensive.
She was a character built on being a character first, her femininity came later. She still has aspects of her femininity shining through, but she’s really one of the few Tom boy anime characters out there that isn’t just a man with tits. Black Butler is still being produced in the manga. I wouldn’t really call it “Nostalgia” when the manga is still active. It’s 32 volumes in and is JUST scratching the surface of the deeper story. And we still don’t know who killed Ciels parents. So the manga isn’t showing signs of slowing down any time soon. The show also collabed with a popular Japanese Gatcha game in December of 2021. I feel like Ouran can’t be remade without a large part of the western fan base BITCHING, granted when has Japan actually cared about the wests opinions on their anime? The show wildly made fun of homosexuality and with the wests dislike of Loli icons (which is what Hunny is) the show may not even get a dub. The shows active mocks and jabs at gender and sexuality (Haruhis Dad is a cross dresser and people want to say he’s trans) is going to cause a rumble in the pot, and the inherently incestuous relationship Hikaru and Kaoru have WILL make modern audiences feel uncomfortable. This anime just can’t be made in modern times.
I think it's likely to get a remake that has the original manga plot if shows similar to it around the same time also got a reboot . I worry about haruhis dad plot wise being taken out as trans rights and rep atm are being tested so hopefully if it did get a reboot it would be after that blows over so he can still be in the background. Just depends when it's consisted nostalgic enough I guess or when people crave an old shojo title again
I’m probably a bit late, but I’m still definitely a fan of ohshc. It gives you that nostalgic 2000’s anime feel (which it is) but it’s such an interesting concept that it immersed you into the series. After I finished watching the anime, I read the manga (yes it continues after the anime ends.) personally, I love all the characters, like they made the anime special, and the characters themselves made the series just kind of stand out (aside from the beautiful art style, not going to lie.) the representation for haruhi is really good, I love how the creator wrote haruhi without any silly stereotypes or anything, just wrote her/them/him as a good character, and honestly the representation for the non binary community is really good with the character writing. (I’m sorry I’m really bad at explaining things help me if I’m incorrect about anything.) my personal favorites of the show were probably tamaki and kyoya, they kind of just hit the spot with me. (I wish that scene with kyoya and haruhi never happened though. It wasn’t good at all. If yk yk…) those two characters are just my personal favorites, I love their personality and everything, I don’t really get to see something played out well in a lot of more recent animes that I watch or anything. Honestly ouran is definitely one of my favorites, it holds a special place in my heart. It would be nice for another creative concept to appear again, not to say there isn’t of course, but something that would really blow the audience away and stay iconic just like a lot of 2000’s-2010’s animes. Also if you want a manga spoiler (please don’t read if you want to rlly get into the manga.): if you ever really shipped tamaki and haruhi but never got to see them kiss or become something, well then I’ll bet you ten bucks they sure do. Surprisingly, haruhi is the first one to really acknowledge their feelings for tamaki (besides the fact that tamaki doesn’t even know he likes them.) there was also one panel where haruhi blushed from tamaki the first time, which was really cute, he kissed her on the forehead when they were both talking about tamakis mom or something, he did it on impulse but then apologized (I think? my memory is so bad.) though both haruhi and tamaki were blushing, well a lot to say lol. also yes, they kiss! like actually! but it’s more towards the end of the manga. also yeah they got married lol.
@@wannabehistorian371 late reply, as far as the manga goes, not really. However, haruhi did say she does not care if she was referred to as male or female, sorry for the late reply!
@@EXXTREMEGAMER5600 I don’t know if that means she’s NB, to me that signals she’s extremely secure in her femininity. A NB person would probably not want to be called either.
@@wannabehistorian371 When you really think about for two seconds, it makes zero sense to use the concept of femininity for Haruhi. If anything they’re extremely secure in who they are, which, if you very desperately need to use the term femininity, is a big blend of masculinity and femininity (or rather traits which have been stereotypically put in one of these two categories…. but I mean, who’s even fussing about that xb ). As for your last comment… a nb person *can* not give a sh** about what pronouns are being used for them as long as it’s not always the same one, or it matches up how they feel. And “not caring” about the way she is perceived or referred to? Can’t get mad when some nb folk relate to this and see how the character could be labelled as nb.
@@Aptonica If it doesn’t matter to you then why label yourself as a marginalized identity though? Also femininity here doesn’t refer to the concept of gender roles, it refers to identity.
The show was following the manga but caught up rather quickly. So instead of creating a bunch of filler, the animation studio created there own ending. I think the author did not like how the did the show at all, hence why the show has only one season. Honestly most of the anime is different from the manga. Like how the boys discovered Haruhi was a girl was from Tamaki finding her wallet with her ID card. No coming in when she was dressing, found her wallet on the floor. And the other hosts say "wow, I can believe you did not know Tamaki!!" or something like that
The author actually liked the anime! IIRC she said she would've liked a second season, aka the continuation of the love story between Haruhi and Tamaki. I personally would've loved to see a second season too... I need my Kaoru and Kyoya scenes, they're my two favorite boys.
I loved this show back then, and I still think fondly of it. In a lot of ways it didn't really age well, but it still largely has its heart in the right place. I think that's part of why it's gaining popularity again despite those age marks
Ouran High school Host Club is one of my favorite animes and I love it back in high school and as a adult. Its one of the few harems/ reverse harems I like because the characters have 'personalities' and we learn more in each episodes then the 'arc types' most of the genre always do, same with Haruhi because she not the 'Lego piece' we want to be in the show, she is her own person and really cool to. Also the show pokes fun of the tropes in shojo which is a plus.
They rebooted fruits basket, completed the series, and it proved to be a really amazing show. Idk who was even asking for a fruits basket reboot but I was all for it. I would similarly love if they rebooted Ouran high school host club or released a second season that would complete the series because I think, contrary to belief, it would be successful the same way fruits basket was
I think Ouran was a lot more popular than you might have been aware of at the time. Going to conventions in like 2012, the amount of cosplayers and Ouran merch was insane. Nostalgia bait also definitely works in anime, just look at FLCL, Fruits Basket, Black Rock Shooter, Devilman, Urusei Yatsura? Personally I think an Ouran remake would be crazy popular.
the manga established EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER soooo much better. i mean i do get that the anime is shorter but still i absolutely love and adore the manga and every ohhc anime fan should read it!!! my favourite part in the manga is where the discuss and explore tamaki and kyoya's relationship
Although it’s saturated with sexually mature content, it’s great that the focus is the good nature of the characters. The writing focuses on bringing the characters from unhealthy behaviors and mindsets to more stable ones.
my god yes the ouran manga is so amazing!! It makes the reveal of Tamaki's backstory SO MUCH BETTER not to mention all of the other characters get a lot more development and there are a lot more secondary characters introduced (Mei being the best and most important). I'm really hoping they get a Fruits Basket style remake eventually because the manga is so beautiful and it's what she deserves....
You know what’s so weird is how the magical girl shojo anime pivoted to male audiences after the boom of Sailor Moon in the 90s. It really took off with Cardcaptor Sakura and Precure series’, focusing more on often even younger looking characters and more sexualized moments. It’s an interesting evolution and one a lot of people chalk up to the fact that Sailor Moon sort of bridged the divide with combining the magical girl with team fights. I love Shojo, it’s such a fun genre.
Precure and Card Captor Sakura? Sexualised? I know moe boom kind of added a new demographic to young looking characters, but I'm pretty sure the young looking characters of Precure and Sakura look that way because they are young, and are in shows aimed at young audiences.
@@gota7738 There's absolutely an element of sexualization in more recent years, especially as the genre became more closely aligned with team fighting animes it often began eroticizing the relationships between women/girls, utilizing fanservice moments more, and generally allowing the growing male audiences to take over.
@@eringrl101 In Precure and Card Captor? Card Captor had a not great handling of age gaps (more so in the manga) but I wouldn't call it fanservice or sexualised. Unless you refer to the much more recent Clear Card revival which I haven't seen? Precure though, you have me at a loss, unless you mean the ship teasing between Yukari and Akira but that itself is a more ambiguous call back to Michiru and Harakura...and I'd be disappointed if that's what you meant by 'sexualised'. I'd understand if you meant the genre shift and rise dark Magical Girls for the Seinen market after Madoka in the 10's, or even the less dark but more fanservice Seinen predecessors like Nanoha or Prisma Illya. Or even in the post-SM shoujo followers like Tokyo Mew Mew, Mermaid Melody, even Shugo Chara later (again, more the manga) which as I remember is about the same level as Sailor Moon. But Card Captor and Precure...especially Precure...
@@gota7738 Precure and Cardcaptor, Precure in particular, are clearly designed to appeal to little children and sell toys, I agree completely that's not fanservice/sexualized, if anything the Sailor Moon first anime was more fanservice-y towards men (fanservice in the manga was more aimed at women).
I used to be super close minded about gender fluidity and homosexual relationships cuz I was raised devout Christian. OHSHC was one of my first exposures to both and it helped me get more open minded and eventually realize that I’m bisexual. It is cringy yeah but like 10 years ago when I first watched it, it was an eye opener and I’m super grateful for it.
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Omg i KNOW NOBODY who watched vampire knight. please please please do a review lmao. i loved it as a kid and watched it again recently its so bad lol. i would Love for somebody to talk about it at all.
@@yentlcloud I second that
Can you watch spacepop from girls kabillion
And review the spacepop dolls
okay i dont make requests often but id love a review of tokyo mew mew! its getting a remake soon and i'd love your thoughts on it lmao. i figure with your appreciation of magical girl anime and early 2000s content it'd be right up your alley. love ur videos!!
"there's no Tsundere"
hikaru is literally right there.
I was thinking of the guy from the occult club with the little sister
Idrk about the guy wit his lil sis he just dont like the light
THIS
I came here to say this
Exactly like hikaru was the playful tsundere who cared. Remembering that one scene where he’s in the rain with her? He still had tsundere tendencies
I loved tamaki as the love interest for haruhi. A lot of people complained that it wasn’t “subversive” enough for them to get together in the end but in an age where most shoujo male leads were perfect, mean bullies to the female leads, haruhi ending up with a goofy himbo who worships the ground she walks on was perfect
yes, it was my main ship too. I prefered other characters , as a stand alone character, but as a ship, the chemistry between those 2 was evident.
He keeps trying to force fem her tho.. So he was a bully passive aggressively...
@@yyoveltubeshe's literally fem outside of school tf.
honesty, i think he trying.. i mean... tamaki may be failing horribly, but he's trying his hardest 😕
Honestly I think Ouran should get a reboot. It’s one of those shows that stays timeless and can appeal to each generation. I feel that if we get a reboot it would be a good way to stick more to the manga and then hopefully be able to get see the entire story animated.
It was kind of ahead of it's time in my opinion with making so many references to people may be gay, while still having troublesome stereotypes and stuff in it
So I think now that a lot of people are coming out as nonbinary in a safer environment it would probably resonate with people all over again
Ya I agree..if Fruits basket could get reboot and actually get three seasons to cover whole story so does OHSHC. I'll be forever waiting for it
I've heard of another season or a reboot but that was soooooo long ago
Right but though it's really good some of it has aged like cheese in the west such as with gender, homosexuality, and cross dressing. The plot is amazing but theyd change so much it wouldnt hit right.
I just watched it in dub. Maybe just some editing with the shit they say 😭 it kinda disturbs me when we meet ranka and the dub calls it a "tr**ny bar" while the subs call it a "drag bar". I think the latter implies something sexual while the other implies something more performative. But she's just crossdressing. Also if Ranka really is trans, they say alot of transphobic shit bro it's crazy 😭
Something I distinctly remember from the manga is that everyone in the school (or at least the females) knew that Haruhi was a female, but they just didn't care. It was a throwaway line in the last book, but it's so sweet to think about.
That's really cute
I just reread that, and it is actually that they thought Haruhi liked dressing as a woman and was dating Tamaki in secret because their love was "taboo". Haruhi's father drops she is his daughter, not son, when her and Tamaki go to America, and the fangirls were there. They expressed shock that Haruhi was a woman and not a man, and tell the other hosts about thinking Haruhi liked to crossdress and secretly was dating tamaki lol. There is a little box on that page that says "All this time they thought she was a girly (likely gay) boy."
Still, it was cool that they accepted those factors (cross-dressing and two guys in love), and I am sure if we got to see the fangirls when they returned from studying abroad, they would have excepted Haruhi as herself.
Yeah I thought they knew she was afab and just assumed she was trans. They're down bad regardless of sex.
@@galaxypox this exactly
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I found it actually brilliant that Tamaki's backstory wasn't revealed until the end of the show. A lot of times, as viewers and readers, we are privy to information that we aren't supposed to know, and our perception of the character is shaped it. How often do we see a character hated by others only to feel "no, don't hate them, they have a reason to act this way, you just don't know it!" So, in a way, we are used to feeling entitled to a character's past, or their secrets.
The way Tamaki's past is revealed to us as viewers is, in my opinion, is very similar to how you would learn something about a friend in real-life. When you make a new friend, you don't know their past right away. You're not supposed to. You're not entitled to that information. You have to go off of the impressions and interactions you have in the moment, and it may take years for you to learn about a tragic event, or a life-changing experience your friends has gone through. And what you lean may change your perception, kind of the way it changes our perception of Tamaki when we learn more about him.
I completely agree with you.
Andrias from Amphibia basically works the same way. We get a hint of something dealing with his past in the S2 finale but because of everything else dealing with him and the episode in general it doesn’t feel like that big of a thing. But then we get to a later S3 episode that focuses on his past and suddenly so much dealing with him makes a lot more sense as well as makes him into an even better character as he’s now complex. In fact rewatching the show after seeing that episode and the final three, me and a close friend have come to notice how much hints there was to how he really is and it makes us love this giant salamander even more than we already do.
oh my god you wrote a whole essay
This!
RIGHT U ARE
Haruhi is exactly how you write a female lead/protagonist in anime. Anime writers NEED to take notes
Hmmm. She's a great protagonist, and a great character, but you'd have to be more specific, because there's plenty of good characters in shoujo. If the problem is when they're girly, then I disagree. If the problem is when they're written to appeal to a male fanbase and have no personality of their own, then we have some common ground.
@@nanahuatli2144 The problem is definitely the second. There are too many female leads in shoujos that I can count with the same copy-paste personality. Haruhi is a breath of fresh air
To this day, I still look at Haruhi's mindset regarding gender and think "I wanna be like you when I grow up". I'm 21 😭
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@@glitchon12 Stay strong fam 😄👍
we all do
another brilliant aspect of the show is that it isn't just a great shojo anime, its a CRITIQUE of shojo animes. It uses the customers and renge as a way to analyze shojo culture and then uses haruhi's realism to point out every single one of it's flaws AND THEN uses the boys in the host club to add counter points to show those elements often seen as flaws in a better light. It's truly genius
YES! THIS!
This this this
OMG, you're so right!
Exactly, just like how One Punch is a critique of shonen anime.
It's even a critique of every part of the society of 2000 (Haruhi's dad is the best thing ever). The sarcasm they used is for that purpose and it's pretty funny!
The beach episode in three manga is different from the anime, Tamaki was upset she went alone and didn’t get anyone to help her, not because she’s a girl. :( I wish they kept that in and not changed it
I first watched this in middle school, it was an instant favorite for me. Anyone who claims this show is shallow hasn’t watched it. This show has a lot of depth.
Also how casually they play with themes of sexuality and gender, this show was ahead of it’s time.
YEEEEE!Thank youuu!I loved this show so much,It was just so good Idk even know what to say
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I know right, I've met a few people that refuse to watch it for really dumb reasons
its good but some of the language needs to be changed especially the use of the word they call her dad
truly
I actually DO think this series could benefit from a re-boot. I think it has a similar case to Fruits Basket, another really popular early 2000s shoujo anime that was recently revitalized to complete the story after the original anime stopped before it was over. And *that* re-boot was popular enough to get a prelude movie.
Exactly, I'd honestly be really happy if we got a reboot for Ouran
I agree.
Although, the prelude was originally part of the main story and I find it strange that the third season was so short....
I was thinking about the same thing!
HELL NO THEY WOULD RUIN IT
Personally I hope they don’t reboot it because it would lose it’s more unique artistic style much like Fruits Basket. While getting the whole story animated is nice… there’s probably things you don’t want animated. Much like Fruits Basket…
Tamaki VS Hikaru was a HOT debate in 2006, as someone who lived through it. Though my personal favorite was always Kyouya ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I also loved at the end how it was Haruhi who did the "Stop them from getting on the airplane(or x thing whatever it is) and confess my feelings" trope instead of the man.
Ouran Highschool Host Club is one of those anime's that looks like it's going to be horrible at first glance, but once you watch it you realize just how amazing it really is. Something about the color palette, the characters, the humor, it all spoke to me and made me feel so seen. Every episode I loved, many made me tear up in the cute and meaningful moments sprinkled amongst the wacky humor. This show is one that will always have a place in my heart, and to this day when someone asks me "What's your all time favorite anime?" I proudly respond "Ouran Highschool Host Club" with zero shame.
I agree with you wholeheartedly!
Yesss LOVED THIS SHOW😭😭😭
i looked at it and looked at the date it was made and thought “omg this is gonna suck it’s so old lol” it’s my favorite anime now.
SAME
I am always stuck between ohshc and clannad
I want to add a fun fact onto this: In the manga, Haruhi does fall in love with Tamaki but is despite all Tamaki's clinginess afraid of confessing to him. They have an actual nightmare once in which they confesses to him and he responds something along the lines of "I love myself too" 😂
I came here to say this too LOL! One of my favourite parts!
I remember that 😂 She thought he would be so narcissistic that he’d compliment himself
@@Kictor Hello!! I did not expect to see you here lol
@julia haruhi
@julia Harui .... how is that not obvious...?
For the episode where Tamaki gets mad on Haruhi and says she's a girl, in the manga Haruhi was 1 against 3 guys, and it was made very obvious that the guys were close enough where if Haruhi called for help, the host club would've heard her easily and could've gone over to help her. In the manga the point of girl was just brought up as a additional point and Tamaki heavily focused on the face that she was outnumbered by 2 additional people and should've asked for help. I wished the anime actually made this episode more closely to the manga instead of what was made.
if i remember correctly it was like that in the original japanese dub too
@@francesatty7022 yes, I was referencing the original manga not the anime :D
Y'all are missing out on so much if you haven't read the manga. The final part of Tamaki trying to reunite with his mom was so heart breaking.
I read them a *really* long time and recently wanted to reread them so I’m currently buying them all 🤪😂
it's been soooo long but I definitely remember the manga being much better than the anime
are the mangas available in english?
@@NaraNom yeah
Is there any way to get the mangas online? Like read them online on websites?
Let's be real, the main reason we all liked this was Haruhi. They're so refreshing with how blunt they are.
*she
Edit: I'm done responding to people. I've said the correct thing, and you can argue however you want about Japanese and the Japanese dub/comics.
bruh cringe, she uses she/he pronouns the entire time stop trying project your shit onto clearly defined characters
Haru was just what the club needed. I love seeing them to this day!
She
@@DiamondsRexpensive Does it really matter that much to you? 😅
I mean, the character Haruhi themself said they don't care what gender people recognize them as, so why are YOU so pressed about it?
(Edit:) Just gonna add this here so people can stop trying to twist my words: I never stated you can't call Haruhi a she or he, I just pointed out there wasn't a need for correction. Please let that sink in before commenting if you're offended by the usage of "they", because that argument is invalid.
"We don't care about real boys, we care about pretty anime boys." -Best line
I mean yes
(人*´∀｀)｡*ﾟ+ more true words have never been spoken before
"Was Haruhi your nonbinary awakening or tomboy awakening?" Hahaha jokes on you, Haruhi was both.
They were my lesbian awakening lmao
@@cloudie_aergia clearly she's just all options available 🤣
She was my panromantic awakening xD
@@marianlinda12 @Cloudie_Aergia Haruhi was also my bi awakening lol
@@cloudie_aergia yep I really took the Pokémon approach to it
"Nostalgia marketing doesn't work with anime and manga"
Excuse me??? Did we forget about the return of Fruits Basket, and how wildly popular that was?? Fruits Basket only had one season originally in like 2001, but was remade and put out in 2019 with great success! It was one of the most hyped animes of the season, and it finished the plot of the manga. If Host Club got the Fruits Basket treatment, I think it would be very popular.
I was thinking this too!!!! Fruits Basket was my introduction to anime and manga and at the time (I was 10 or 11) I actually really disliked it, especially after the unsatisfying sudden end to the anime, and I gave up on reading the manga. But my friend convinced me to watch the reboot and I loved it, and it got me to read the manga all the way through while I was waiting for season 2 to come out, and now it's one of my favorite series!
I came here to say this! I would love to see an Ouran reboot that follows the manga! 🥰
I been saying this since I saw the FB reboot it would go so hard omg
completely agree
Agreed
Haruhi was more my aromantic awakening. She has so much fun flirting and hanging out with these guys without (in the show proper) ever getting into a romantic relationship. So often we only see close affectionate relationships as romantic. Haruhi was allowed to just enjoy their company and attention.
Oh boy………. Wait until you read the 10th or 11th volume of the manga😂
Even with the more romantic plot lines in the manga I always related to Haruhi as an ace person. If you enjoyed that aspect of Haruhi I would recommend "My Next Life as a Villainous". Minor spoilers but the main character is completely oblivious to the fact she has her own harem and is just happy everyone wants to be her friend. I head canon her as aro/ace XD
I always understood Haruhi as demisexual and seeing this character really helped me when I was trying on that identity back in the day.
i actually headcanon haruhi to be demiromantic and asexual!!
As someone that followed Ouran as it was publishing, the reason that the second season was so delayed/not made is because the manga was put on hiatus multiple times due to Bisco Hatori's health. They had another manga too called Millennium Snow that had a nearly 10 year hiatus before it was ended. I remember after a particularly long hiatus after the anime for Ouran had ended, most of the fandom had petered off in interest, so the actual finale for the manga was a quiet affair.
I kinda hoped when Fruits Basket was rebooted that a bunch of the old Shoujo anime/manga I read in high school would get new adaptations. I want completed works!
Same. I loved the og Fruits Basket growing up and was even able to get the limited edition boxes for the reboot.
This I would love a finished ouran cause I hated that it just kinda ends I needed more Danm it
They made a live action movie to replace the season 2 🤦
@@lush2910 I never watched the live-actions, is it even accurate picking up the manga material or did it go the way of the anime ending with original stuff?
@@Kaiheart it has manga scenes on it I think I only watched a quarter of it mostly skip
Weirdly enough, I was one of those peeps who passed on Death Note as Edgy McEdgerton Edgelord nonsense, while absolutely embracing Ouran Host Club as one of the best things ever made for all time (owning both the blu-ray and the entire manga series!). However, I am still a cisgender straight dude (somehow), so I feel robbed of the cultural zeitgeist surrounding this shoujo anime a little.
Ironic that the seiyuu ( Japanese voice actor) for Light and Tamaki are the same person. There are even videos that showed Miyano Mamoru (the aforementioned seiyuu), voicing both. It's actually pretty funny.
"(somehow)" 😂
I, another cis person who feels the exact same way has been summoned
You can't forget about the debauchery 😶
Is there big difference between manga and anime? If yes, I will read it.
You can be straight and into Ouran, but year, you will never have a crush one one of the boys like a girl would. But I am a woman and I am sure it would be interesting to see the show with the eyes of a man too.
Quick note: in my country they translated 6:35 scene as "I don't mind dressing up as a man even thought I have the body of a woman, since I haven't decided yet what I want to be"
LIKE!!! WOW!! COULD HARUHI BE MORE NB!?
Honestly Haruhi was like my bigender awakening
@@pretty_annoying_cloud4208omg so real
It sounds like she’s comfortable with her own body and being who she is. She doesn’t care how people view her, if they see her as a boy or a girl. She’s androgynous.
@@pretty_annoying_cloud4208REAL
The thing that hooked me right away with Ouran that I've never had with any other anime is that Haruhi was instantly so relatable- mostly because she's basically written as the voice of the reader/viewer. All the things that you think to yourself while reading manga or watching anime are said in a delicious deadpan by Haruhi, and you get that instant satisfaction of seeing the characters looking shocked that anyone would be so brazen.
To anyone who loves Ouran but hasn't read the manga, I HIGHLY recommend it. The first several chapters are word for word the same as the show, but then it shoots off into a much more satisfying, complex, and romantic series. And the weird rushed ending with Eclair or whatever her name was doesn't happen at all, which I appreciate because GOD she was annoying.
Do you know where I can read the manga online
Do you know where I can read the manga online
@@annaburke6445 I too would like to know
I know im a bit late but if i watched all through the anime which volume should i read to continue the story?
@@annaburke6445 mangafox or mangaowl
My favorite part of the bloopers is when the voice actor is like ‘ugh’ after he says that “what is it now daddy” line
I remember that, J. Michael Tatum voiced the character that did that blooper, it was hilarious.
One of the reason Haruhi stood out so much was the fact she wasn’t a self insert which harem anime in general have especially if they are a visual novel adaptation.
Personally, I think an Ouran reboot would do really well considering how well the Fruits Basket reboot did in 2019. Fruits Basket wasn't NEARLY as well known as Ouran always has been, so I think a reboot would be exactly what it needs to expand what we didn't get to see.
Like Fruits Basket, the original 2000s adaptation only had one season and changed the ending of the story (albeit, Ouran changed way more from the finale than Fruits Basket did), and I think most fans and people who's introduction to Ouran would be the reboot would all enjoy seeing the show with a fresh layer of paint and there would be a significant opportunity to change and fix the show's very apparent problems with LGBTQ issues.
Also on this note, I highly recommend Fruits Basket for a video!!
Omg. I tried watching the original Fruits Basket and I couldn’t stand it. The colors were washed out and the designs looked slightly…bulkier than the reboot which is more vibrant
My exact feelings. If fruit baskets did well, so would our hosts
I agree w you on the reboot but no back then Fruits Basket was HIGHLY successful (anime and manga) and it was a lot of people’s gateway anime (especially in the west). I think there hasn’t been a reboot cause of Tamaki’s dub VA. the dub is very beloved and it wouldn’t be the same without him
Agreed. A OHSHC reboot would be very much enjoyable especially to older generations who love the anime dearly.
The only issue is that Tamaki’s Dub VA no longer works for funimation so idk how a reboot (especially a dubbed reboot) can be made without dear Vic
Mmm You might be right. Ouran sold 13 million copies in japan and fruit basket 18 million (which maked fruit basket more popular by a few mil) but ouran could be the next fruit basket if it was given the time.
I feel so bad for Tamaki. People hate him and it is not his fault.... he says awful things yes, but never out of malice, but ignorance
He is a good boy. A good himbo, and he deserves Haruhi
It hurts how people treat him because of a few bad comments. He is not a bad love interest, he is not... AND THE MANGA IS SO MUCH BETTERa
yes lmao he's literally a himbo
I agree, The manga is so much better...
@@valdemar7546 he is such a good boy, it hurts to see people being mean to my baby.
Exactly! Tamaki's heart has always been in the right place. He truly does think every woman is beautiful. He's just a bit of a dummy sometimes.
@@hinasakukimi he maybe a himbo but at least he's handsome, literally their top student in class in grades and rich too but sadly you are right because he is indeed a himbo but heeeyy he loves haruhi too much and haruhi really loves his oddness
honestly i feel like the success of the fruits basket reboot gives me hope that an ouran reboot would be good 😭 haruhi is so important to me the manga was so so good i just want ouran to get the same treatment that fruits basket got 😭
Conservatives will say that introducing lgbt concepts to kids will confuse them, but 14 year old me heard Haruhi say she didn’t care which pronouns she was referred to with and I just immediately accepted it without hesitation. Nothing confusing about it at all
Haruhi is one of the reasons why I'm bi now tbh
Haruhi wants to be seen as an individual not by the label of her sex
Japan did very well, they banned same sex marrige
As a kid I didn’t even think twice abt it until someone on tumblr had pointed it out
@@galaxymew5138 another thing that conservatives will say they will turn kids
Kyouya's arc is one of my favorites in any series. I don't know if you caught it, but in the end he didn't need his father to give him the company, he actually BOUGHT all the debt the company was in with money he earned HIMSELF through the host club and other ventures. He then took the company he now OWNED and gave it back to his father. Not because he couldn't handle the company, but because he didn't NEED his father's recognition or approval anymore. It didn't mean anything. And I don't know, maybe I related more to Kyouya's family issues, but I loved where he ended up, and was so proud of him for breaking through that frame and painting something incredible.
Underrated arc! relatable and aspirational....soooo satisfying! I remember as a kid thinking about how much the vase cost....how much revenue he generated for just the host club and managed to turn money into more money....and wondering how on earth he could possibly feel like a failure? Glad he stopped looking at himself through the eyes of his father.
This show is a timeless representation of the female gaze. Loved it when it came out and rewarch it all the time. Its genuinely funny and smart. I think you guessed our experiences well lmao
2006 was a long time ago tbh, I think this show did great for what it is. Truly. 2000s media was all cancelable now lmao it's alarming when you look back
@@Alison.Uncouthfun thing, I was born the year the show came out. I’m 18 :)
@@novaanimations5958 getting old is awesome and weird damn lol, that is extremely cool though honestly 🖤
My favorite host member is Kyoya. He’s awesome and also I love Kaoru since he’s actually a really nice and considerate dude when he’s not with Hikaru
except for the beach episode
@@aduckofsomesort yeah that’s true
Highly recommend the manga. It's even better!
@@genera1013 tbh I feel like a lot of issues that were brought up in the video were resolved in the manga, there are tons of episodic chapters so it can be easy to lose interest but much more of the emotional+romantic content is put near the end of the manga where the anime didn't reach
@@aduckofsomesort yeah that's also my least favorite episode
I'm such a sucker for Tamaki, he is such a male bimbo.
I wish you would have mentioned Renge more. She is such a great character
I believe the term is Himbo.
@@DeadHaremGuy Actually himbos and bimbos are slightly different. A himbo is usually a sweetheart meathead. There are a lot of female himbos. Bimbos goes more in the direction of airhead and appearance focused, and a bit catty. Howl from howls moving castle is also a great example of a male bimbo. A great example for femal himbo would Scorpia from She-ra
@@Biittle I love the internet
@@DeadHaremGuy oh my god, how have I never known there were two different terms,,, 😢
@@melz4766 I only found out recently myself
Something I really love about this show was how it did a really good job (at least to me) of showcasing that Tamaki is not a bad or mean guy, but that he says insensitive things, he’s just ignorant. He’s a genuinely sweet guy with a good heart and good intentions, my favorite moments was how he was the only host to notice and pay his respect to Haruhi’s mother. Now THAT is what solidified to me that him and Haruhi would end up together.
This show was my shit back in highschool we almost got an approval to do something similar to this but the anime club was shut down due to budget cuts.
Your clubs had a budget, as in, you were allocated money, from the school!? Man, in my high school, any club that wasn't sports or drama, was essentially an illegal underground club. There were no funds, events were private and only club members onew about them, we weren't allowed to stay after school hours, so club activities were held during class hours, and large events were done at one of the members houses. Maaan you musta gone to a well off school to have shit like a club budget, hell, to even have clubs other than sports and drama, fancy shit my guy
Classic public American education :’D
@@husky6732 almost school have budgets for extra curricular things, the important thing here and why budgets matter are if they are able to keep a staff member on site for a club or sports team etc. To run a club they will often need a teacher or staff member available , and they need to be paid for that extra time worked or for that extra class offered etc. if there’s no money to keep that staff member or teacher after school, before school, during the summer etc. Is often why there are cuts. The schools I’ve worked at have had budget cuts that have required letting go of the people who run those things - no tech class/computer lab no school computer lab teacher , no languages classes no languages teachers , no school library no school librarian etc. principals will receive a Budget for the year and if they can’t keep a staff member will let them go - our school had a few teachers let go bc the school could not afford that many teaching positions … so if they can’t afford to pay teachers extra to like stay after school to lead anime club etc. no one is gonna do it for free! Teachers do enough unpaid work as it is.
I’m glad to hear your school’s culture has students who were diligent and passionate enough to create their own clubs regardless of whether it was official or not!! That’s so amazing :)
But yeah in general, even not very well off schools receive a budget, they just choose where to allocate the money and sometimes these extra curricular things are not where they put the money :( or like in your school , drama and sports is where they put money into paying a teacher to coach or hiring an extra teacher to do drama. They need a qualified person in their spots and those people need to be paid to be there!
it sucks but American public education sucks , we just do our best with what we have :’)
Budget?? 👁👄👁 my anime club was we just met in a classroom after school lmao budget??
@@ducky19991 they need to pay the teacher who stays after school with the kids.
Being an impressionable teen when this came out, it opened my eyes to CLOTHES ARE JUST CLOTHES and no need to label them. Also that Haruhi us just an icon in general.
Hell yes...
Haruhi is so outspoken and blatantly honest, she was such a breath of fresh air as a shojo heroin back in the day ❤❤❤
[Don't trust my judgement, it's false and rumors from what I heard when I was a child.]
I've heard people that Mori was supposed to be the main love interest of the show because the creator wanted the two together, but after getting a lot of feedback and fans of the manga (while it's still ongoing) saying that they love Tamaki, the creator had to change Mori to Tamaki as the main love interest. It's also the reason why you see some Mori and Haruhi moments (like helping Haruhi out without question, addressing her by her first name, yea) during the first few volumes/episodes
edit:
Bisco Hatori (the creator of OHSHC) admitted that Mori was a potential love interest. How the change happened is what I remember of what the other fans said back then (back in 2012) but idk if that was confirmed or they were wrong (probably wrong). But it doesn't matter considering that Tamaki is endgame (It's clearly obvious and I was all for it. If you read the manga, yk what happened next with the two). It's cool to know tho.
Ooh boi, I was also rooting for Mori :((
I would have loved seeing Mori and Haruhi together
a fun fact i wish i didn’t know because i preferred that pair over haruhi and tamaki.
I WAS ROOTING FOR MORI PLS
someone mentioned it!!! My Mori loving heart, still thinks about it, all the time.
She actually does end up with one of them. It's just in the manga. it's really late in there like to the end of the manga. The twins also become more of themselves instead of looking exactly alike. It's kind of like they split up but it's not a sad ending. I'm trying not to spoil it but give you a little bit of information.
Where do you read the manga
@@bluemistdomanimations5945 I just go online type In read ouran club online
@@bluemistdomanimations5945 i got some at my local barnes and nobles
It's so weird to hear NL talk about this as if it's just now getting attention. The anime was HUGE when it came out. It was one of the anime you could most rely on other anime geeks having seen!
For me, ouran is a comfort series. I absolutely cherish it and love all the characters in their own unique ways. I've read the entirety of the manga series as well a few years after first watching the series because I moved to a new school that had the entire collection, and I still would love to see a second season for ouran. The rest of the manga, I'd argue, is basically essential for one to truly understand the series, characters, and the depth it truly has. It also has insightful conversations about mental health, healthy relationships and boundaries, and is overall a really good read for anyone who liked the original anime. It also reexplains concepts that were missed in the anime, like honey and mori's siblings and the whole situation with Haruhi's father
I’ve always meant to read the manga one day but this comment has made up my mind to start buying the volumes soon.
@@LilyShimizu it’s incredible. one of the most entertaining mangas i’ve ever read- i couldn’t put it down
@@LilyShimizu I'm glad!! I'm sure you'll enjoy it ^^
I read the manga almost a year ago, I need to reread it because it's just so good and I've forgotten about some of the plot
It’s my comfort series too. I rewatch it at least once a year (sometimes I get stuck in a cycle of just rewatching it endlessly) and I plan on buying the manga to finally finish it (it was still releasing in the US when I started).
I’ve always felt that Tamaki being old fashioned at times was because of his upbringing. I’m not trying to justify him being old fashioned but explain it. I haven’t watched the show in a while or read the entire manga, so I could be wrong.
Manga reader here, he was raised Catholic. Case closed. 🤷🏻♀️
To me, there's nothing wrong to being raised old fashioned. I think there needs to be more things being old fashioned like having virtues and similar stuff to that.
@@lanatherana157 YOU CRACKED THE CASE OH MY GOD
@@jdsimmons97 it does, I'm sure, but most of the things aren't really that good like misogynistic, sexist and homophobic things
@@ElliotSunshine are or aren't? I'm confused what you mean by that. Like is being old fashioned is completely wrong? Or are you agreeing with me and pointing out the negatives?
I really wish that they had a season 2. It gets more into romance later and more dramatic in the manga.
For the longest time I couldn't figure out why this show struck such a chord with me. Now, knowing I am aro ace, I am fully aware that it was refreshing to see a main charecter with no immediate desire for romance. Haruhi does things because she cares about people first and foremost, romance isn't off of the table, but she is a person with a life outside of love and that life takes precedence. Haruhi stays in the host club because she enjoys it, not because of any romantic attractions to her club mates. I also find a lot of comfort in the abundance of comedy, that's mostly just a me thing though
Ayyy same here
Who’s gonna tell her that Haruhi marries Tamaki in the manga?
@@thefvguy5648 What's wrong with Haruhi marrying Tamaki?
this show appeals to me as an aro/ace becasue theres a lot of platonic relationships, lie yes one of the twin, and tamaki specifically have a crush on haruhi, but with most of the cast it's more like flirty moments to remind you it's a harem anime, and i like the idea of being able to flirt platonically and all that
I agree as a fellow asexual and weeb
I actually like that it's a romantic comedy. Sometimes romance is kind of boring to me, so the comedy keeps me engaged. As much as I adore and love Fruits Basket, I'm more likely to rewatch something lighter, like Ouran.
I feel like a lot of people don't realize what they are getting into with Fruits Basket. It doesn't fall into most of the tropes or trends common in shojou. So if someone is looking for something that is mostly romance or mostly comedy or mostly slice of life, Fruits Basket is not the manga/anime for them.
Although, the reboot does make it look like there's an actual love triangle, more so than the manga or old anime, so maybe people who like romantic tension would like it more...
If you'd like a romantic comedy that basically lacks romance, Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki kun is a top tier choice. Some of the pairs are getting together in the manga but in the anime, it has the earlier part of the story and is just really funny with a bit of ship tease and lots of making fun of shoujo tropes
I feel to this day OHHC's fandom is still very strong and present. By just announcing a new season the fandom would already go crazy. We would watch it for the story and the nostalgia of the characters, that I think of how different it would be from the original doesn't matter. I know a lot of fans were like teenagers when this got out and all of kind of grew up with it, it just that series that's so close to your heart and it just sad that they left it with one season. Until this day I still hope for a season 2 to come out.
I'm almost 60 and I love this show. I discovered it on Netflix a few years ago and enjoyed its humor but also how none of the characters are cardboard cut outs. Yes, they are stereotypes, but they do get fleshed out more than most shows. You are absolutely correct in that Tamaki has a huge heart. He's experienced pain but all that means is he doesn't want others to feel the way he did. It's a cute, fluffy, enjoyable show, that I'll rewatch when I'm feeling down because at its core its about love and hope.
I love this comment
@@TheEggIsHere same
This comment!
I would honestly like a sequel that gives a chance for the other Hosts to find their own "Haruhi"
Especially the twin's (T-T)
That would be so cute!
that has a lot of potential
I mean, there was the sort of otome game of it on DS and PS2, but alas we never got it. I wanna smooch the twins or Kyoya. T3T
In the manga some of them do end up with their own "Haruhi"
@@SeraidenAF saaaame
i watched ouran for the first time when i was 13 and it completely changed my life, im almost 19 and im still in love (and maybe a little obsessed) with ouran - its such a nostalgic and comforting show and the show was my introduction to many more difficult topics, tied in with romance and comedy. tamaki is my favourite himbo and i will protect him with my life
We definitely needed more backstory for Mori. I’m aware his role of the show is “the guy with one line an episode,” but they gave us almost nothing about him. His entire backstory is “He and Hunny have linked families.” Theres absolutely nothing about his home life or anything that maybe encourage him to be as quiet as he is.
I think there's more backstory in the manga if I'm correct and also since there are other characters that aren't shown in the anime. For example, Mori's little brother, Satoshi, and another female character named Mei (understandable since you first meet her later in the manga).
I could be wrong tho, so yea
No, you’re probably right but I just thought it was weird how everyone got a lot of backstory except Mori in the anime
In the beginning stages of OHHC mori was actually the main love interest, so honestly, i think when that was scrapped, moris backstory got largely ignored sadly
Read the manga.
Can I just say that till this day Haruhi is one of the best shojo protagonist, she's not trying to be cute, she's not an eccetric try-hard, She's just being her true blunt self, not caring about image how people percieve her but is there for the host club as they become her friends. Most importantly it's one of those anime where a girl can actually become a friend with bunch of guys without her instantly falling in love with them just because they're handsome. Like not even nowadays shojo can do what Haruhi could, also the beach episode still hit's so hard, because it must have been so heartbroken for Haruhi that in the end they saw just a girl in her atomatically with assumptions, without considering that she can defend anyone else as them...
Simply stan Haruhi, because we won't get anyone closer to her maybe Nobara though that's a shonen character
Ouran will forever be one of my all time favorites. There just hasn’t been anything else like it released into anime or any kind of mainstream media. The art style, the voice actors, the humor, the satire, the insight, the treating things with so much normalcy that weren’t really considered normal at the time. It’s a great gateway anime & if you haven’t read the manga for it, highly recommend. You will not be disappointed.
The most interesting thing about your review is that you are looking at it through modern lenses. It really highlights the HUGE societal differences we have now a days. But you need to keep in mind that a lot of the themes explored in the show are still presented by people who lived in a world very different from the one we are currently on. A lot of the things you call misogynistic (because they are) are not even considered bad back then. Remember this was made by people trying to be progressive. It reminds me of my own experience because back in highschool on the early 2010s I was considered to be extremely progressive. I had (and still do) a lot of opinions that people wouldn't even consider, especially when it came to sexuality. But at some point the lines moved and now those exact same views are considered conservative...even thou they never changed...in a way, it's a good thing but it also scares me a bit because if we can look at OHHC and say that its misogynistic...I feel like we have gone too far lmao
We haven't gone too far. The show was progressive for its time and one can appreciate that, but that doesn't mean all of its aspects have aged well. Our society is progressing and standards are changing every day. This is a good thing. People are becoming more aware of issues related to gender and sexism which is improving the lives of a lot of people, me included.
Just because this show's messages are somewhat outdated nowadays it doesn't mean that one can't love the show anymore. I get feeling special for one's progressive views ( I know I did at some point) and wanting to maintain that feeling, but maintaining it at the cost of people's awareness of social problems and having those affected continue to suffer in silence and confusion doesn't help anyone. Times are always changing and everything becomes a relic of the past eventually. Wouldn't it be better to look to the future and participate in changing the world for the better and help those suffering underthe rules of the old instead of clinging to past ideologies because of nostalgia for the old days that probably weren't as great as one remembers them?
It's important to look at older media with a critical eye, so it can't be used to glorrify the issues of the past, no matter how progressive it may have been for its time. The original Star Trek series was considered progressive durring its time, but it isn't anymore for good reason.
@@b.h.4249 I feel like you may have misinterpreted my point. My statement was that the fact that was considered extremely taboo due to how progressive it was is now considered offensive by progressives. And it's been like what? 15 years? It used to take hundreds of years for social change to happen now it feels like things that were okay 5 years ago can get you cancelled now. That's my concern. We are moving way too fast and its unrealistic for us to expect change to set in this fast so we have tons of people getting the short end of the stick for it.
@@babylonshadows1877 I did misinterpret it, my bad. I agree with you there. Social changes are happening very quickly and some people take them too far while others struggle to adapt which leads to a lot of unnecessary conflict. I wish I could say a middle ground would be the answer, but I'm honestly not sure. This situation is complicated as all hell. X)
Thank you for being so respectful in your reply, I appreciate it a lot (UA-cam comment sections have made me kinda paranoid). Hope you have a great day/night!
@@b.h.4249 fully agree with you. And dont stress it. Hope you have a good night also ^-^
I just watched OHSHC and thought that many times "Woww, what a thing to say in that time. Very brave" and I wont be scared of that because this is what exactly being progressive means. You let your thought evolve more and more all the time but the evolution that you need requires the less perfect thoughts too. You can only evolve something isn't perfect.
I always shipped Haruhi with Koya simply because while he always teased her, he treated Haruhi like a competent person & with respect.
But the reason it was only one season, was because the manga was still on going & the anime had already overtaken where the manga was at the time of development. (the contents of the last few episodes are not even in the manga)
This is one of the anime's I'd love to see get a reboot/remake.
Do you ship them despite the scene in the Beach chapter? (Episode 8)
@@factura_rb7114 probably? Why wouldn’t they?
@@bluebay1031 because he essentially threatens to rape her in order to prove his point that she is a woman no matter how much she acts like a man and can’t defend herself. I love him but it’s honestly a disgusting scene and friends shouldn’t treat friends like that (or a love interest either)
@@jimena6194
I honestly think it is pretty disgusting. However, I like the interpretation better that It's not Haruhi's fault for being a girl, but rather her fault for not asking for help when she knows she has friends nearby.
@@jimena6194guys you missed the entire point, it was never his intention to rape Haruhi in the first place and he wouldn't do it even if she reacted differently. Tamaki voicing his concern towards Haruhi was poorly worded, she couldn't understand until everyone else explained it to her, then Kyoya became the bad guy to help her understand the point even better. What worse could've happened if those thugs at the beach found out that Haruhi is a girl after pissing them off? She was defenseless and she can be easily taken advantage of by bad guys. Haruhi is an important friend to them, so they want her to be more mindful of her own safety.
I honestly love Tamaki. I loved him because he says such stupid weird things and he is so over the top. But honestly, the Japanese voice overs are great. I can't take the English voice overs at all
Same
to me the english voice over was great, was how i watched it the first time and when i tried to watch with subtitles i couldnt
@@skullchimesI’m surprised this video didn’t even go into why there couldn’t be another dub of this show for… obvious reasons
"There's no tsundere"
Bestie kyoya is right there
I was about to say Hikaru can be pretty tsundere too 😂
Ain't he yandere!?
"We don't care about REAL boys! We care about ANIME boys!"
Me: *Plankton Voice* "CORRECT!"
and fans are STILL waiting for a season 2 so we can see the rest of the slow burn romance
The manga was still ongoing when the anime came out, I believe, so Ouran's actually dealing with an FMA situation - the true ending of the manga hadn't happened yet, and the beginning of the series is heavily episodic compared to later sections, so they made up a non-canon ending that doesn't actually match up with what canon turned out to be. So they would need to either entirely reboot the series or keeping making up their own timeline if they wanted to do a second season.
enhhhh it was made a long time ago so idk if they’ll make a s2 but i’ll pray 🙏
I mean Trigun had this same problem, the anime finished before the manga was done so they just winged it and now are making a reboot, trigun stampede
And I am SO HAPPY .
i remember being sad when i heard about this 😭 i wish they could just reboot it like Fruits Basket or Trigun, i miss Ouran Host Club so much 😩😩😩
@@samshimis I say give it about ....eh, like 5 years maybe.
It took trigun for the manga to be out of print for about a decade or two for it to get a reboot of both anime and manga
As a trans masc person who grew up watching ouran high school host club,seeing a character like haruhi made me so happy
As a girl, same. It was nice to not see a damsel in distress and show what a real young girl is like. No high pitched voice, and she was just her. She didn’t care how you saw her. I don’t do labels, probably because of haruhi. I never cared, why do others? Im a human lol
@@nb1571 fair enough dude
@@salami7515 same here, this anime really allowed people to discover their true gender, it sure as hell helped me. It's one of the closest things we get to trans characters in media (good representation) it's sad to know that's about all we get though, I can't really think of any trans rep in media that doesn't have it as a conflict in the story.
@@Ray-dar it really did,if youre looking for a show with somewhat good representation theres a show called dead end paranormal park,the main character is a trans guy,its mentioned occasionally but its not the main focus the whole show is just about this theme park and strange things happen there,i really recommend it if you havent seen it already.
@@salami7515 I just so happened to come across that series recently. I agree, it really is a nice bit of representation that doesn't seem pushed at the forefront of what makes the character unique. 10/10
This series is so special to me. I was 14, hunting down every issue I could get my broke hands on. Through a network of girls who’s parents were afraid of anime making them gay. And the danger and homophobia only made manga like this more heart pounding! Secret contraband stashes, finding locations to read secretly, getting raided and having your friends hold your stash.
It’s horrific remembering how the parents were treating their children, but I do remember our time reading in secret fondly.
Haruhi was a big influence on how I viewed gender and my own identity. I loved this manga, and it makes me happy that others are discovering it now
I like how OHSHC kind of serves as a deconstruction of reverse haram tropes and other typical shojo tropes. The characters and their interactions we're all interesting and funny. My favorite characters are Haruhi, Hikaru and Kaoru, Honey, Kyouya, and Renge.
this is one of my first animes in middle school. i think your take is correct! i felt seen by haruhi and loved how the host club adored her. this anime is still my comfort show
haruhi was my nb awakening. i was tomboy prior 😂
My favourite anime, I’m so glad you are talking about it. There is not many content about Ouran
First things first: I love Negative's hair in this video. It suits them so well omg, just gorgeous.
And second: Haruhi is an icon for those of us who grew up struggling (or in her case, flat-out refusing) to conform to the assigned gender roles society has put on us. This anime came out when I was 16 (yes I am old) and I had never related so much to a character in any form of media as I did to Haruhi. The fact that she was the only 'normal' character in a world full of caricatures and weirdos gave me hope that I may not be as weird as people made me out to be, just because I never liked stereotypically girly things.
Wow I just looked at it, and their eyeliner is so beautiful I just stared at it for two minutes☺️ (hope it's okay I said "they", I did not remember if there is a characterization they prefer so I relied on your comment😅
@@penelope1150 They go by all of them so there's no wrong pronoun lol. But yeah the eyeliner is top tier 👌🏻
And Haruhi gives me autistic vibes too. Haruhi has some autistic traits. Hard time reading social cues/emotions, cant tolerate loud noises, bluntness and a monotone voice. A lot of this show was unintentional representation
I'm an afab enby, so Haruhi and a couple other gender bent characters like them really inspired me when I was small. At the time I could only really express it as "I want to be able to pass for a pretty boy," and, honestly, that's way closer to my actual gender identity than I ever would have been exposed to if I'd been limited to western media growing up. Naturally my mother was horrified when I tried to share clips from this show with her.🤣
You'll grow out of it and you missed the whole point of Haruhi by virtue of watching things that weren't for kids because your parents were ignorant/neglectful.
@@lainiwakura1776 I'm not sure what you mean. 😅
@@MRSmiththe1 Ignore the dum dum, go be a pretti boi. Don't matter if you aren't gay or trans, if a man wants to be pretty, he can be.
Right ! Same here ! I'm also afab and came out online and to people who I talked to a lot that I'm nonbinary,
Haruhi was a legend to me growing up.
My mother was also horrified when I wanted to cosplay nothing but boys, I use the excuse all my favorites just happen to be men and cosplay is a tribute ssooo....boys clothes.
Ironically I felt more like I was in a clown costume in the stupid dresses my family tried giving me rather than the guy cosplays
Ooh, so you relate to a female character that a LOT of other girls relate to, and decide you’re a boy! Have you ever considered that you’re just misogynistic?
Tamaki is confusing on his views on women, but I really like it, he feels more real. It's incredibly rare to find someone in real life that doesn't contradict themselves once in a while. It also shows that instinctively he isn't misogynistic, but when it comes to Haruhi he suddenly is. He protects her with old ideas, much like a father would. He's emulating a boomer father, and a boomer father would have old, controversial ideas on women.
My gosh. Haven't finished the video, but I wanted to make this clear. Miss Ayanokoji, the girl who threw Haruhi's bag in the fountain, is not the same girl as Kasugazaki, the girl that jumps around Host members, but with short hair. She's a completely different character. I don't think miss Ayanokoji makes a reappearance for the rest of the story after chapter/episode 1. I'm sure this is trivial, but it just irked me.
Thank you, I thought they were different and was really confused by the video
oh thank you for pointing it out, for a second I thought I was dumb for thinking they were different people for years
Oh, I thought they were just joking cuz the designs look so similar lol
Ayanokoji makes a singular reappearance in Haruhi in Wonderland!
@@kalenamyers3235 , Huh. Then she doesn't make an reappearance after chapter 1 of the manga. The manga does have a Haruhi in Wonderland chapter, but the story it tells is completely different from what I remember from the anime, and it's been quite some time since I watched the anime.
Thanks for the correction.
I'm a youngster, born a year before OHSHC came out. My parents really liked Ouran, and I was raised as a kid watching it for fun. And now that I'm older, I can see the impact of it. Haruhi was my role model, considering I really resonated with her (and now I know I'm non-binary, so there's that). I don't know if my parents even realized what impact watching Ouran throughout my childhood might have. I grew up having positive traits correlated with characters that also had queer traits, such as Haruhi's dad, who was a good, hardworking, and caring parent, as well as someone born biologically male (and still referred to as "dad" by his kid) and also was feminine. I grew up thinking it was completely fine for people of the same gender to be in relationships together, and that gender was fairly fluid and could travel outside the strict binary options. I grew up understanding the nuance of some messages that I don't think my parents expected me to understand (like how the all-girl's school was the same problem of sexism, just reversed). I also got perspective on how all kinds of personalities and all kinds of genders and gender presentations could be attractive (might just be me, now I know that I am very bisexual lmaooo). Its really weird but very nice to watch this video, because the perspective in the video and in the comments is from people that found Ouran later in life than me, and thus felt they were introduced to something new. I get to understand my parents' perspectives a little better. Meanwhile, my perspective is having grown up with this, and having a positive and understanding view on queerness since a very young age. This was a normal thing for me, and was established as such, whether my parents intended that or not. It feels good to see Ouran from a fresh perspective, and revisit such a cornerstone of my childhood so that I can reflect on it and learn.
I think I liked Tamaki for Haruhi more because of how good he is. How much he cares about EVERYONE, even if he oftens says something idiotic in the heat of the moment. The whole club loves her, friendly or romantically, and Haruhi makes friends with people who would move mountains for her.
I’m a girl, and I’ve always kinda been a tomboy who sometimes wore clothes that were a little more girly. My mom didn’t like me being very tomboyish as she always dressed me as girly girl when I was a toddler, and wished I would dress more girly when I was older. When I watched OHSHC when I was in Middle school, Haruhi actually made me feel more comfortable with both aspects of myself because of how she really didn’t care if she was wearing more boyish clothes or if she dressed more girly. She was always Haruhi regardless, and I really admired that. Now, I still wear a mix of girly clothes and Tom boyish clothes because I can wear what I want and be who I am.
I feel you! I think Haruhi helps me feel confident in myself as an individual instead of what labels fit me.
“That was all in 2 episodes”
That’s a very busy first two episodes… oh wait
I DESPERATELY DESPERATELY want a season two 😭 i actually haven't had the chance to read the manga, but this video has made me determined to make that happen.
I have Like so many sites you can use to read it
@@justnojustn3036 what sites?
Haruhi and Kyoko (Skip Beat) both have a special place in my heart for being unusual shojo protagonists, and both Ouran and Skip Beat are very good at subverting shojo tropes. (i read the manga for both)
i too, loved Vampire Knight until the sibling reveal 😞 but the impact that the openings and endings had on me is unmatched. Edgy visual masterpieces (and the songs are great, too)
You might like Beauty Pop & The Wallflower.
@Crackle OMG I love Beauty Pop! Kiri is amazing. Phantom Thief Jeanne and Kitchen Princess are pretty good too, even if they focus more on romance.
6.46 that girls name is Kanako Kasugazaki.
5.52 the girl from episode one is named Seika Ayanokoji. They are two different people. Ayanokoji gets permanently banned from the Host Club from Tamaki.
honestly that last episode was SO frustrating even if you weren't invested in the story because suddenly we jump from having micro issues to solve (like what to do with haruhi and the physical examination) to the main cast's lives being turned upside down???, and then it ends??? i wanted to cry when that happened ngl 😭😭
Read the manga
Half the joy of watching this (as a much older person in that time) was the cringe factor. And the other half was just loving the characters for who they were. The twincest still icks me, but I always took it as "they are playing a part." Which goes back into it being a host club. Basically, all of us watched it and lived it because it was joyful in its own way
I freaking loved this anime. The characters had a great deal of depth and loved how they all interacted with each other both positively and negatively. How their backstories explain who they are people.
Just watching these clips made me realize Haruhi was quite literally the only "female" protag I genuinely liked as a kid.... seeing who I grew up to be and it makes so much sense I feel so attacked rn. Also I think nostalgia marketing works sometimes, for example Fruits Basket was so loved that they recently remade it to do right by the fans that begged. Black Butler gets an anime adaptation every few years. I won't be surprised if in a few years they announce a remake for this especially with queer culture being more accepted mainstream. My only concern is either they'll just completely remove the queer aspects of everyone or it'll be played into too much to the point it feels like pandering or just offensive.
She was a character built on being a character first, her femininity came later. She still has aspects of her femininity shining through, but she’s really one of the few Tom boy anime characters out there that isn’t just a man with tits.
Black Butler is still being produced in the manga. I wouldn’t really call it “Nostalgia” when the manga is still active. It’s 32 volumes in and is JUST scratching the surface of the deeper story. And we still don’t know who killed Ciels parents. So the manga isn’t showing signs of slowing down any time soon. The show also collabed with a popular Japanese Gatcha game in December of 2021.
I feel like Ouran can’t be remade without a large part of the western fan base BITCHING, granted when has Japan actually cared about the wests opinions on their anime? The show wildly made fun of homosexuality and with the wests dislike of Loli icons (which is what Hunny is) the show may not even get a dub. The shows active mocks and jabs at gender and sexuality (Haruhis Dad is a cross dresser and people want to say he’s trans) is going to cause a rumble in the pot, and the inherently incestuous relationship Hikaru and Kaoru have WILL make modern audiences feel uncomfortable. This anime just can’t be made in modern times.
@@screamingopossum7809 the show has a dub
I think it's likely to get a remake that has the original manga plot if shows similar to it around the same time also got a reboot .
I worry about haruhis dad plot wise being taken out as trans rights and rep atm are being tested so hopefully if it did get a reboot it would be after that blows over so he can still be in the background.
Just depends when it's consisted nostalgic enough I guess or when people crave an old shojo title again
You were kinda right with the recent black butler news
My favourite host is Mori. He is the most Caring, and genuine match with haruhi which would work very well in real life. He's just a chill dude
he actually was supposed to be haruhi’s love interest but the fans preferred tamale so they changed it
@@minvi152 TAMALE BAHAHA
@@tasnim6111 TYPO LMAO I MEANT TAMAKI
@@minvi152 I’m so sorry I searched up tamaki as a tamale and there’s literally a meme of many different tamaki faces as tamales on a plate😭😭
@@tasnim6111 NO PLEASE 💀
She was my tomboy awakening and still inspires me to this day
I’m probably a bit late, but I’m still definitely a fan of ohshc. It gives you that nostalgic 2000’s anime feel (which it is) but it’s such an interesting concept that it immersed you into the series. After I finished watching the anime, I read the manga (yes it continues after the anime ends.) personally, I love all the characters, like they made the anime special, and the characters themselves made the series just kind of stand out (aside from the beautiful art style, not going to lie.) the representation for haruhi is really good, I love how the creator wrote haruhi without any silly stereotypes or anything, just wrote her/them/him as a good character, and honestly the representation for the non binary community is really good with the character writing. (I’m sorry I’m really bad at explaining things help me if I’m incorrect about anything.) my personal favorites of the show were probably tamaki and kyoya, they kind of just hit the spot with me. (I wish that scene with kyoya and haruhi never happened though. It wasn’t good at all. If yk yk…) those two characters are just my personal favorites, I love their personality and everything, I don’t really get to see something played out well in a lot of more recent animes that I watch or anything. Honestly ouran is definitely one of my favorites, it holds a special place in my heart. It would be nice for another creative concept to appear again, not to say there isn’t of course, but something that would really blow the audience away and stay iconic just like a lot of 2000’s-2010’s animes.
Also if you want a manga spoiler (please don’t read if you want to rlly get into the manga.):
if you ever really shipped tamaki and haruhi but never got to see them kiss or become something, well then I’ll bet you ten bucks they sure do. Surprisingly, haruhi is the first one to really acknowledge their feelings for tamaki (besides the fact that tamaki doesn’t even know he likes them.) there was also one panel where haruhi blushed from tamaki the first time, which was really cute, he kissed her on the forehead when they were both talking about tamakis mom or something, he did it on impulse but then apologized (I think? my memory is so bad.) though both haruhi and tamaki were blushing, well a lot to say lol. also yes, they kiss! like actually! but it’s more towards the end of the manga. also yeah they got married lol.
Was Haruhi ever confirmed as non-binary?
@@wannabehistorian371 late reply, as far as the manga goes, not really. However, haruhi did say she does not care if she was referred to as male or female, sorry for the late reply!
@@EXXTREMEGAMER5600 I don’t know if that means she’s NB, to me that signals she’s extremely secure in her femininity. A NB person would probably not want to be called either.
@@wannabehistorian371 When you really think about for two seconds, it makes zero sense to use the concept of femininity for Haruhi. If anything they’re extremely secure in who they are, which, if you very desperately need to use the term femininity, is a big blend of masculinity and femininity (or rather traits which have been stereotypically put in one of these two categories…. but I mean, who’s even fussing about that xb ).
As for your last comment… a nb person *can* not give a sh** about what pronouns are being used for them as long as it’s not always the same one, or it matches up how they feel. And “not caring” about the way she is perceived or referred to? Can’t get mad when some nb folk relate to this and see how the character could be labelled as nb.
@@Aptonica If it doesn’t matter to you then why label yourself as a marginalized identity though? Also femininity here doesn’t refer to the concept of gender roles, it refers to identity.
The show was following the manga but caught up rather quickly. So instead of creating a bunch of filler, the animation studio created there own ending. I think the author did not like how the did the show at all, hence why the show has only one season. Honestly most of the anime is different from the manga. Like how the boys discovered Haruhi was a girl was from Tamaki finding her wallet with her ID card. No coming in when she was dressing, found her wallet on the floor. And the other hosts say "wow, I can believe you did not know Tamaki!!" or something like that
Idk if it's true but apparently the anime was a way to promote the manga, which most series tend to do when it comes to one season anime
The author actually liked the anime! IIRC she said she would've liked a second season, aka the continuation of the love story between Haruhi and Tamaki. I personally would've loved to see a second season too... I need my Kaoru and Kyoya scenes, they're my two favorite boys.
I loved this show back then, and I still think fondly of it. In a lot of ways it didn't really age well, but it still largely has its heart in the right place. I think that's part of why it's gaining popularity again despite those age marks
Ouran High school Host Club is one of my favorite animes and I love it back in high school and as a adult.
Its one of the few harems/ reverse harems I like because the characters have 'personalities' and we learn more in each episodes then the 'arc types' most of the genre always do, same with Haruhi because she not the 'Lego piece' we want to be in the show, she is her own person and really cool to.
Also the show pokes fun of the tropes in shojo which is a plus.
Anime deserves a second season
Random stand-alone episodes that go no where until all the throwaway details fire-off at once
It's just Chevlov's firing squad
They rebooted fruits basket, completed the series, and it proved to be a really amazing show. Idk who was even asking for a fruits basket reboot but I was all for it. I would similarly love if they rebooted Ouran high school host club or released a second season that would complete the series because I think, contrary to belief, it would be successful the same way fruits basket was
I think Ouran was a lot more popular than you might have been aware of at the time. Going to conventions in like 2012, the amount of cosplayers and Ouran merch was insane. Nostalgia bait also definitely works in anime, just look at FLCL, Fruits Basket, Black Rock Shooter, Devilman, Urusei Yatsura? Personally I think an Ouran remake would be crazy popular.
the manga established EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER soooo much better. i mean i do get that the anime is shorter but still i absolutely love and adore the manga and every ohhc anime fan should read it!!! my favourite part in the manga is where the discuss and explore tamaki and kyoya's relationship
Kasanoda was actually my favorite love interest for Haruhi, lol. He was so sweet! Also Haruhi yakuza wife??? Sounds awesome.
Although it’s saturated with sexually mature content, it’s great that the focus is the good nature of the characters. The writing focuses on bringing the characters from unhealthy behaviors and mindsets to more stable ones.
my god yes the ouran manga is so amazing!! It makes the reveal of Tamaki's backstory SO MUCH BETTER not to mention all of the other characters get a lot more development and there are a lot more secondary characters introduced (Mei being the best and most important). I'm really hoping they get a Fruits Basket style remake eventually because the manga is so beautiful and it's what she deserves....
You know what’s so weird is how the magical girl shojo anime pivoted to male audiences after the boom of Sailor Moon in the 90s. It really took off with Cardcaptor Sakura and Precure series’, focusing more on often even younger looking characters and more sexualized moments. It’s an interesting evolution and one a lot of people chalk up to the fact that Sailor Moon sort of bridged the divide with combining the magical girl with team fights.
I love Shojo, it’s such a fun genre.
Precure and Card Captor Sakura? Sexualised?
I know moe boom kind of added a new demographic to young looking characters, but I'm pretty sure the young looking characters of Precure and Sakura look that way because they are young, and are in shows aimed at young audiences.
@@gota7738 There's absolutely an element of sexualization in more recent years, especially as the genre became more closely aligned with team fighting animes it often began eroticizing the relationships between women/girls, utilizing fanservice moments more, and generally allowing the growing male audiences to take over.
@@eringrl101 In Precure and Card Captor?
Card Captor had a not great handling of age gaps (more so in the manga) but I wouldn't call it fanservice or sexualised. Unless you refer to the much more recent Clear Card revival which I haven't seen?
Precure though, you have me at a loss, unless you mean the ship teasing between Yukari and Akira but that itself is a more ambiguous call back to Michiru and Harakura...and I'd be disappointed if that's what you meant by 'sexualised'.
I'd understand if you meant the genre shift and rise dark Magical Girls for the Seinen market after Madoka in the 10's, or even the less dark but more fanservice Seinen predecessors like Nanoha or Prisma Illya.
Or even in the post-SM shoujo followers like Tokyo Mew Mew, Mermaid Melody, even Shugo Chara later (again, more the manga) which as I remember is about the same level as Sailor Moon.
But Card Captor and Precure...especially Precure...
@@gota7738 Precure and Cardcaptor, Precure in particular, are clearly designed to appeal to little children and sell toys, I agree completely that's not fanservice/sexualized, if anything the Sailor Moon first anime was more fanservice-y towards men (fanservice in the manga was more aimed at women).
I used to be super close minded about gender fluidity and homosexual relationships cuz I was raised devout Christian. OHSHC was one of my first exposures to both and it helped me get more open minded and eventually realize that I’m bisexual. It is cringy yeah but like 10 years ago when I first watched it, it was an eye opener and I’m super grateful for it.
tamaki is literally the most perfect character i won’t accept this hate against him, people hate him for no reason