Varadaraja Raman - Is the Soul Immortal?
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The claim that human beings have or are an ‘immortal soul’ goes back to the ancient Greeks, if not further. In a pre-scientific world, it would seem absurd for our inner awareness not to continue, irrespective of what happens to our bodies. Today science rejects the soul, yet there are diverse viewpoints around.
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Varadaraja V. Raman is Emeritus Professor of Physics and Humanities at the Rochester Institute of Technology.
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I am not Hindu, and yet I believe there is truth here. ❤
I am not truth, and yet I believe there is Hindu here.
The Hindu religion is embracing and pushing an extremist right wing nationalistic ideology and agenda in India, with all the racism, hate, intolerance, bigotry and potential for violence that always comes with extremist right wing nationalism. You want to know what a religion is about, look at its fruits.
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I've always been fascinated by Indic faith, their Vedic texts, that stuff is profound.
I am not a Hindu, I never be one and I still believe all Varadaraja Raman said is nothing more than horse dunk.
The final statement is awesome.
Explain it in plain English and it sounds insane.
The piercing light of deep understanding. 👌❤️
Eh more like words used as smoke and mirrors.
Thanks for the interview. Interesting theological perspective.
It's comforting to believe that the soul or consciousness is immortal beyond our very short time here but no one really knows and any claims that they do know no one can prove. Our beliefs about it don't matter because they won't and don't alter what really happens after we are gone.
I guarantee you are right about what you write in your first sentence. Bless you.
What you have said is absolute truth. The problem with theology and theologians is the book knowledge of some xyz, And blind belief to any knowledge is absolute useless. It will never be satisfying and will always remain a book knowledge in our brain.One needs to enquire oneself. Seek and you shall find.
@@sven888 Right, I don't believe life is a quiz where you absolutely need to get the right answers and you're not punished if you happen to be wrong.
I agree. Thank you brother and best wishes for the Holidays. @@Resmith18SR
@@sven888You guarantee how? Based on what?
There is no soul, just the brain making you feel special.
@@halcyon2864 Indeed, he encapsulated the correct answer very succinctly.
what we see, hear and feel are all illusions then ?
One of the Hindu supreme deity who created this universe namely Shiva came on Earth, who chopped off his 'son's' head without knowing that the boy was his son.
Then this god Shiva, couldn't find son's head and replaced boy's body with an elephant head instead, that gives birth to 'Lord Ganisha", a 'human body-god with an elephant head', that is 'Lord Ganisha'. Now you know it.
Makes perfect sense : /
Half story 😂😂😂 .
@@anonymous-lc6xv Half story still accurate to everything I posted above.
You have to suppress your intellect to believe in a nonsensical faith.
Such a beautiful and lucid explanation. To the host’s questions on “why is it so”?. Well the answer is - We don’t know. We don’t know and will never know why the universe came into being, we don’t know why matter and anti matter get created in a perfect vacuum, we don’t know why the universe expands and we will never ever know the boundaries of the universe we inhabit. For those who believe in the randomness of human life, hopefully you can take a few protein molecules and create life out of it so that we are all convinced!
The Christian and the Hindu positions on the soul are known and immutable. A dialogue between the two is meaningless, as supernatural faith requires the rejection of other people’s supernatural beliefs. Seeking knowledge necessarily requires deep skepticism of any supernatural claims.
One must be agnostic to truly understand the meaning all metaphysical beliefs
Is that a supernatural claim? :D
Good discussion. Thanks 🙏
"To Live is Good, to Die is better, but the best of all is to have never been born." I don't think I or anyone or anything has control over being born into this world, do you?
Admittedly a deeply divinely existential and philosophical question, but i personally think Immortality should be optional for those who seek it. One should have the option to check out for good whenever he/she desires. The very thought of it evokes a deep sense of hopelessness, especially for the less fortunate.
Why not just be honest with ourselves. Many chimps feel liberated once they get there.
@@dukeallen432 ...and you know because you've been a chimp before? In any case, GOD bless those beautiful creatures!
One of the well known hymns in Hinduism begins with 'Listen, Ye Children of Immortality...' because the Hindu idea of the soul is that it is eternal and is one with God already. The purpose of life is to discover our own immortal nature by purifying our hearts and minds through Knowledge (gyana yoga), Love (bhakti yoga), Meditation (raja yoga), and Selfless Action (karma yoga).
It'll be great if u get to Sarwapriyananda. He has clarity about this
Raymond has video's questioning if consciousness is ultimate reality, and if you consider consciousness to be ultimate reality than the conscious self would have to be immortal.
For instance, as a programmer I could indeed create a virtual realm.
But being a developer that creates a virtual realm, is not the same as a player experiencing the phenomena within that virtual realm.
That virtual realm was created for the sole purpose of experiencing it....rather than an exercise in programming....just because we have a programmer.
ie. The creator has no need for the created, unless that created serves the creators purpose.
Though i'm not religious, many of the most amazing people i've met in my life believe in things I do not, like god(s), immortal souls, etc. and it makes them no less amazing. That being said, I really think that those who wish for some experiential component of themselves to continue on into eternity after they die, have no real idea what they're wishing for or what that really means. This discussion, though, seems to suggest a metaphysical analog to the idea (one which I personally subscribe to) that we are merely collections of particles and fields, and when we die, those particles and fields will recombine with others to form different things in the future. However, this discussion also seems to suggest that, somehow, these particles "remember" aspects of their previous experiences, which sounds like metaphysical homeopathy to me.
It was still an interesting discussion, though (like most CTS discussions are). The last statement reminds me of Schopenhauer or Thomas Ligotti's "The Conspiracy Against The Human Race", and further supports a deep connection between philosophical pessimism and a lot of very interesting eastern thought.
2:45 so it seems there are two aspects of the immortal soul one is the experiencing aspect which in on earth and the other is an abstract aspect that's part of the universal or infinite Brahman so how did that work did the two work together? 3:13 ... 5:28
Not to detract from the karmic argument of the need to exist in the physical realm;
I think this is a human centric viewpoint rather than a creators viewpoint.
For me, in the realm of time and space, the fundament law that you can not escape, is to be in two places at the same moment in time.
However, there is a work around, if you wish to experience different aspects of being and/or observe the physcial realm form mutiple perespectives and locations.
That is to hitch a ride with a semi autonomous vessel (s).
Thus the need for an autonomous mind with the soul body as a link with the divine, is to enable the divine to experience the physcial realm.
Our own personal consciousness gets the gift of life as a bonus.
Result. At least... it could be. If we make the most of that.
How would he know?
He’s just winging it.
And who is to decide if you have any “debts” that will keep you in the circle?
The way you relate to your actions and your intent, the energy behind your actions. If you harm people you have to come back to compensate. It's not a person or entity that decides. It's like if you drop an apple it will go down but in space it floats. It's like a law not a decision maker. But is still intriguing.
The traditional scriptures of all religions tell us that we are souls, separate from the body.
All our experiences and the experiencer I who experience them, are from memory, they both belong to the same memory. Because of this, our sorrow, our fear, despair, lust, anger, attachment are all contents of memory. They are all not different from I. Therefore 'I' cannot control them. After understanding this truth of I, I no longer able to try to do anything else, I's existence ceases to exist. When I is not there, the sorrow, fear, despair, lust, anger, attachment generated by I disappear.
Having been raised within a Christian context, I've not really given Hinduism that much thought... until recently. And the more I hear, like this interview, the more I'm persuaded that Hinduism is the only religion that might stand any hope of synthesizing with science. I'd love to see a semiotic (CS Peirce, J von Uexküll) interpretation of Hindu philosophy.
Hinduism is showing its true colors with its embrace of extremist right wing nationalism in India and all the racism, bigotry, hate, intolerance and potential for violence that comes with it. In fact, it is the Hindu religion that is primarily pushing this movement of hate in India.
@@halcyon2864 It is what religion should be fighting against, not embracing. Religion amplifies the worst of human nature, unfortunately. And does so very little to even try to ameliorate it.
@@halcyon2864 If only that were true. But spirituality never seems to stay in the heart. It becomes religion and enters politics and that is always a disaster. Peace ✌️
If you have two loaves of bread, one on each hand, exchange one loaf of bread for a flower, for bread is for the body and the flower is for the soul.
A soul exists. It’s energy. Energy isn’t physical. Energy isn’t matter. Energy can create matter. Everything is animated by energy. Your body dies but your energy doesn’t die. Materialism is a religion that has the odd belief that matter is having a personal experience. Materialism thinks you’re nothing but chemicals that magically want to know things like what’s the nature of reality. There’s intention behind energy not matter. Energy is the capacity to do work so matter can’t do anything without non physical energy.
Wait a minute. Shouldn’t we start with the question “is there a soul at all”?
Humans can never get a convincing answer to this question.
All is Self (Soul).
Sure if we want to start in the gutter..
Another question : why would Brahman immortality want to experience life on Earth? Does it actually NEED to to so, and if so, why?
To live is good, to die is better, to not be born is the best of all!
Perhaps a knock on the gate would break the apocryphal reverie !
I’d rather hear about the meaning of the soul from the perspective of the Iroquois Great Spirit. Which would probably be more interesting, less rigid and dogmatic and (my guess) more grounded in reality and Nature than than 1) the disparagement of human life and 2) the wishful thinking for an afterlife that are the two major components of most of our planet’s major religions.
One must be agnostic to truly understand the meaning all metaphysical beliefs
power laws, physical laws, moral laws, esp-s... they all seem to somhow relate to existence and its intended purpose/s 🤔
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God or the higher power is literally light, which permeates all things, even darkness which is why the light shines through.
Atoms have light internally, which means that God or the higher power, is in and through all things.
An immortal soul is a function of life and light and when the body dies it transitions to the spiritual world which is compatible with God or a higher power.. How we want to define it is strictly a matter of taste or religious interpretation.
All brain farts, see: “The Unique and Its Property “, Max Stirner 1844/2017 Landstreicher translation for the “creative nothing.” As good as it gets.
I read it 30 years ago and I liked a lot. But if you want to have thrills, read The breviary of Caos, by Albert Caraco.
It's a faulty question to start with, as it assumes that "the soul" exists in the first place.
And it is also a faulty statement, from your side, to assume that a soul doesn't exist in the first place. We cannot really know, for we cannot prove or disprove either of it.
For Hinduism, asking if one believes in a soul is like asking if one believes in consciousness. Then it is a matter of how we define consciousness.
I believed in consciousness, but then anesthesia knocked me out.
That is like saying I believed in electricity until someone turned of the light. @@Traderhood
My position underscores the inescapable nature of consciousness in any intellectual or cognitive endeavor, including the formation and expression of beliefs. It's a reminder that, regardless of one's stance on the nature of consciousness, the very act of engaging in intellectual discourse implies its existence.@@Traderhood
scary and beautiful
I see a contradiction , If I want to be reborn , I have ti harm others ?
This is not the only view.
To be honest, the way the world is today which seems to be going backwards more than forwards, I hope I don't have a rebirth.
Quite frankly, I am sick of being part of this sh1t show we call "life".
I understand and many of us share your view. However. I always return to the teachings of Jesus. Love. Maybe we are unique for a very good reason. I say I am grateful you are here. Thank you and wishing you an easy going Holiday Season and New Year.
One life seems enough, if it is like this one. About all the rest, nobody can say "I know what things are and how they work" . We could be so far from truth...if truth exists.
And all our major religions are embracing the extremist right wing nationalism that is overtaking our planet, instead of fighting against the bigotry, racism, hate, intolerance and even the violence that comes with it. In many cases, like in India and America, it is the major religions of those Nations, in fact, that are pushing the right wing nationalist agenda.
Just enjoy the life . Forget the spiritual blah blah blah. Only people who enjoy and share happiness with others make this earth a more beautiful place. All this talk of spirituality, religion , theology are all mind games which no one can prove.
@@halcyon2864 Empty vessel are better than blah blah blah filled mind.
Lawrence could reach enlightenment and get his questions answered if and only if he invest time studying Hinduism / Buddhism like a scholar. Else , just by interviewing, he will never fully understand as he has not invested enough time and energy on it in his attempt to get Closer to Truth
I would think that for the purpose of this discussion, there must first be a definition of SOUL and immortality. Otherwise understanding is many times lost. For example, some people believe there is a soul. Some people believe there is no such thing. Some people think that only humans have a soul. None of these statements define what a soul is or what it is supposed to be. In common use in the USA, "soul" is commonly used to describe that which remains after death(usually human). Sometimes it is also used to describe living people. I have my own definition too and it is not so common.
Hi Dennis Tucker, I too saw the caption for this video and thought I should post a comment asking the same question!.
In some ways I am happy to offer a range of credible answers without further discussion. I will of course start by suggesting that as with so many other cognitive delusions and beliefs 'things' like souls do not exist at all within the boundaries of the physical universe we all inhabit any reality they do have is entirely within the domain of human awareness.
Because of this there is really very little traction to be found in any attempt to establish such things in terms of that physical reality, this alone makes it virtually impossible to establish any reliable verifiable definition! since the realms of human imagination have no material structure or form.
Cheers, Richard.
If you do not accept the existence, or just the possibility of the existence of the soul, and if immortality makes no sense to you, of course the discussion becomes irrelevant to you or just fanciful.
You must be able to unter tain these two 'assumptions' first, even if you personally doubt of their existence.
@@catherinemoore9534 Hi Catherine Moore, what you say is entirely reasonable, much as I too think. There is one small issue that I will take up with you and that is the use of the words 'possibility'. It si a word which can n=be easily mis-understood, I think it might help to consider it in the context of some other words, in particular the word 'probability'.
What I am getting at here is the important differences in meanings, one is i-used to describe almost everything for which we have no reliable evidence the other for those that while there is no real evidence as yet the concept does not contradict any known theories. Thus because we are in fact 'aliens' in the sense that we have evolved on this planet in contravention of the 'normal' pattern of entropy such lifeforms could also exist elsewhere, thus aliens on other planet are not only possible but also probable. Then we have the possibility that like much else that we come up with all of our acquired knowledge of the physical world is complete fiction!, that everything we have thought of is pure fantasy, that reality is actually completely different. This idea is entirely possible but highly improbable. This based on the definition of possible being that it applies to everything we can think of is possible but most of it not probable.
For the reasons stated above then the soul as anyone describes it is possible!. The issue of doubt mostly applies to what we think we do know not anything about what we don't know, I am not absolutely sure of what I think does exist the rest I simply know nothing about.
Cheers, Richard.
Of course you could argue that the best karmic way is to not participate in life..and beg for death, but that then begs the question, whats the point of your existance ?
Mr. Raman definitely has a good understanding. There's a good reason why Jesus says "love each other". But all paths eventually lead to the same truth so all good! Happy Holy-Days!
There's more hate & injustice in your Bible than any other book ever composed. Counsel to rape, the murder of children, slavery, & genocide to name a few.
I have never heard Jesus to say that. Actually I have never heard Jesus, period.
Jesus lives. But one must have a deeper understanding of the scriptures or physics/cosmology to truly understand the mind blowing magnificence of their meaning. @@Traderhood
In Advaita - nondualism - there is no merging back to the Paramatman/Brahman/ Supersoul...there is a realisation that the individual is That, the Brahman...so in some ways, another kind of Bodhi, awakening 😊, shedding of the ignorance of false identification.
As to the question about the immortal soul, the Brahman is Sat-Cit-Ānanda. Existence-Conscious-Aware/Pleasant/Blissful. But, basically, the only ever-existing reality in the universe. Advaita. Non-dual reality.
In the interview with Bernard Carr (Mathematician) on this channel, he puts forward an idea of Consciousness as the fundamental principles of the universe...
Death. It is absolutely certain everyone who is living will someday die, yet many people end up on their deathbeds with regret as if death somehow came out of nowhere or was a big secret no one let us in on.
We get in our cars and go to work every day, conditioned to think nothing bad will happen to us. Why would it? We’ve driven to work thousands of other times and nothing bad has happened. When thinking rationally, we think in statistics. “Well I’ve driven to work a thousand times and nothing bad has happened, chances are nothing bad is going to happen today”, but that’s not entirely true, is it? Just ask the thousands who’ve lost their lives to traffic accidents.
Nothing about life is certain or true except death.
Digha Nikaya, abridged Mahabharata, and Shiva Gita on my right, i'm guessing.
I just received a special book: The gospel of Sri Ramakrishna. He was a paramahamsa in the 1800s, and people considered him to be like a Krishna, Buddha, Christ, etc. during his time. What's incredible about this book is that there hasn't been a recited or record of such a sacred man's life & teachings in such detail and wealth of. Sri Ramakrishna was one of the first to synthesize all religions as being genuine paths to God realization, all seeking ultimately the same goal. He was an illiterate man with mysterious Knowledge & Wisdom as quiddity of his very being. Disciples spoke of his presence alone as uplifting and personality as spotless and pure.
The western world is materialistically impressive, and when it comes to mental evolution and Spirituality, but a mere toddler that cannot even stand.
There are those who will mock, and when confronted, are verily broken men on the inside.
Philosophy, Metaphysics, yoga etc.... God realization and such, are not meant for children.
East and West have both a specialism. But the true yogi are dying out as cultures change because of modern ways of life. So the west is specialized in extraspection and the east (some talented individuals) is specialized in introspection. It is like both systems walk on one leg. For walking you need both, you need introspective empahty and iq rationality in an integrated state. That is very rare!
Hinduism in India is embracing (if not being the primary moving force of) extremist right wing nationalism in India, with all the hate, racism, bigotry, intolerance and potential for violence that comes along with it. Nice religion.
Osho had indicated that to be spirituality inclined one need tobe fulfilled materially. And today West has that possibility.
The Gospel of Ramakrishna - Kathamrita - is a marvelous account of the sage's life. Thanks for bringing it up.
You mean religions can't agree on the soul ?
I am not surprised. Since it can be whatever you want it to be.
If you have a soul.
Who is really in charge ?
Would this negate the existence of free will as much as predetermination does ?
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I don't think using words to say that you can't use words to describe the metaphysical isn't helping your case.
So how would you even describe the indescribable ? Or is it just a feeling deep down in the human ego. That there has to be more than this. A world of selective cultural superiority backed up by imaginary friends.
Why is it always beyond space and time, and even beyond normal perspection. Hmmm ! The same place we put gods.
So you want to be gods..special powers and all ? To play what..the hero or the villian ?
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So how does that relate to validating the existence of a soul ?
It seems that every religion claims it as their invention.
And only has consequences according to their particular belief system.
We have plenty of words for things that only exist in our imagination. The soul is one of them. Gods are another one.
Do you have an answer for either one of my questions ?
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And how would you go about finding clarity ?
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At least my ego is small enough that i don't keep tripping over it.
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Thanks !
So what have you learned from all this eastern philosophy ?
Since there is always variations on a theme.
Which eastern philosophy do you practice ?
According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, God creates a soul at the instant of conception. He keeps an eye on the single fertilized egg in case it splits (identical twins), because then he has to create a second soul. If the fertilized egg doesn't implant in the womb, he takes the soul(s) to Heaven. He's very busy !
Immortal? It's a word in the art of language which means its Ambiguous. Immortal according to which God out of the million Gods?
Even if you had a soul the soul isn't you. If you are mortal and the soul is immortal there are two separate and distinct entities, not one.
Please. Arguing about which of these fantasies is correct is silly.
@@dukeallen432 human free will is also a fantasy, as any distinction between humans and the rest of the animals.
It seems like this series of video keep skating around the issue of the existence of God and using metaphysics to make it sound like a scientific proof.
He definies soul though religious. He mysticism however not show existence of soul. What is Soul? So Far Science or philosophy show How figure It out. He speaks about soul is It evidence esoteric. There are more questions about soul and asking more riddles.
Buddha takes what is useful and teaches what competent living would be. Get rid of metaphors.
He is just talking about all the crabs. These moral laws created the caste system in India.
What soul?
We are meat sacks with an electric current.
Talk like this steers us further from the truth.
I think we know longer understand the original meaning of the words we speak. I am pretty sure that Soul = Self. Words are many but Word is One. That type of thing.
Too much unprovable metaphysics in this video. It' s already difficult to understand, quantum and relativity theories, but about them, we have some kind of proof. We all are scared of life, scared of death and need and look for a way out. But we don't even know if there is a meaning, a purpose...we could be not clever enough to understand that. However, many ones like these leaps into the void, where anything can be said. And ignored, at least by me.
Just remember. The purpose of the Play is “Love”. While in Sanskrit, for instance, Māyā means "illusion or magic", the truest definition of Maya survives to this day in the Nepali language where it means “Love.” @@PietroColombo-em5mz
@@sven888 It's a nice thought, but I'm afraid there isn't so much love around us. Pain , fear, unjustice, violence, suffering, anguish fill the whole space ...every living being feels that. We don't like this, we don't deserve this evil . Ideas like providence or fault, are unfounded and even offensive to me. But good for you, if you have a hope. ⚘
All I know is that I am grateful You are here brother. Let's pray for a more peaceful world. Thank you and wishing you happy Holydays. @@PietroColombo-em5mz
Why does hinduism sound exactly like buddism?
Oh please.
..... Nirvana......
No reincarnation,
No birth,
No soul.
People are not questioning the mechanics of the alleged moral component of the universe. Karma needs a scorekeeper?
Bad Karma. If Karma is real then what happened to Hitler?
Soul = consciousness = simultaneous events idiots DEEM memories. Your toaster (void of brain) is conscious because it is aware (memory = consciousness) it is simultaneously at the factory being made.
You REMOTE VIEW the understanding of every word in this sentence you're learning concurrently to now.
Study how time isn't a real thingy... or don't fact check..
THOUGHTS are all themselves as conscious (elementals) as any self respecting toaster.
The more you FEED THOUGHTS.. the more they come to you and reveal more.
A NAPOLEON painting would invite thoughts (karma ) of war... not the wisest of choices for our afterlife which is more ruled by thoughts.
The MECHANISM FOR MORAL COMPONENT.. is your resonance.. Thoughts are your karma.. Learn to live nightmare free and you'll be okay.
Whatever thoughts you attach to... you bring with you..
Killing someone would be inviting that bad experiences.. into your associations, etc.
and you are an immortal.. and killing is not necessary.|
Im not sure you can grasp that science itself is a foolish religion because expectations cause all quantum collapses even into our perceived past (faith runs kaboodle).. but I told you how the universe keeps track of our morals.. whether you understand it or not.. i dont know.
Cheers
@@Jun_kid How many chances does Hitler get and why does he deserve any more chances? That's absolutely crazy.
@@Jun_kid I don't believe in the nonsense you're spouting so I guess I'm just as bad as Hitler and Stalin combined. Plus enough with your condescending remarks, keep your nonsense and idiocy to yourself.
is the WHAT immortal ?
First, Hinduism who knows where it came from, on the other hand the Abrahamic faith, we know where it came from and Jesus came to give witness and corroborated and taught us the reality of that God that is taught in the Old Testament. According to the Bible, we are made of two components, these are the person who comes from the male and female sexual cells and it is created inside a woman, and the spirit which is called the breath of the Almighty. There is no reercarnation in the Bible because we are not a spirit inside a body but we are a union of spirit and body. The spirit is not a person but the power God gives the person the capacity to be self aware and have an identity. This spirit returns to God at death and return to be reunited with the regeneration of the physical person at the resurrection.
LOLOLOL - Like anyone would take seriously anything said from those who hide behind computer screens and phones to practice thievery.
We must have complete trust in our Heavenly Father. Even as we struggle in life. As I constantly struggle to provide for my two autistic children I keep faith. Faith is all I have. It is truly the only armor against the enemy. As a single mom things are hard on me. My health is not the best I suffered a heart attack two years ago and I’m battling lupus. Every month is a struggle to get by. But as I struggle to pay rent and as I struggle to buy groceries for my children. I keep faith. God lifts me up everyday. Jesus please help me take care of my sons. I trust in you Lord Jesus. ❤❤
What truth? What enemies? Blind faith in any & all archaic religious myth is the enemy of intellect & human progress.
Why do you keep cut and pasting this scam here?
I'm not inclined to accept ANY claims proposing to explain the true nature of reality ESPECIALLY when such claims were imagined thousands of years ago by ignorant humans.. Peace.
I dont know.. you seemed to believe your mommy (YOURE A MOMMY WOO RELIGIOUS ZEALOT) when she told you you're a real boy.. self pinching in a nocturnal dream wouldn't make that dude real either.
Science is the stupid religion according to last years nobel prize in physics.
@halcyon2864 ALL humans are capable of AND actively entertain ignorant beliefs, friend. You included..
@@Jun_kid Especially you, but that goes without saying.. Maybe you are a "special" human ??
@halcyon2864 Obviously, I am a human. You, myself, and everyone else are unable to know with CERTAINTY what ultimate truths are, let alone how to completely understand them... For that reason, science rarely makes claims of fact.. The language of science is that of ideas, hypotheses, and theories.. Friend, it is self-evident to MOST that the totality of what we actually KNOW is "microscopic" when compared to what there IS to know.. In my opinion, not many careful thinkers would disagree on the vast extent of our ignorance as you and your friend do..
@Jun_kid IF you have decided to have faith that some philosophical lifestyle of your choice explains everything to your satisfaction, fine.. It's OK.. Doesn't mean it's true, though.. Peace.
What's a soul?
A human invention
One extra metre of cloth that never went in to stitching. 😅😊😅
Who knows. When you die you will find out or not. lol
does soul exist ? no !
@@halcyon2864 thinks !
There are three destinations of Atman (soul) for Hindus:
1) Going to the abode of The divine.
2) Getting the position of the divine.
3) Attaining union with the divine.
Explain what soul is, is there a good definition? No there is not. So this is a question for believers and is far beyond proofable or measurable.
Soul is a synonym for Self. Just stick to the teachings of Jesus. My two cents...
@@sven888 I have high respect for Jesus, my point is more you can swap labels and state soul is self. One can then ask you mean someones personality or the part that was created being the image of god, so the god like essense. But, how ever you look at this remember that it is still a label. Its like me labeling water as water, it does not tell what water is! So as long as you can not define something on a scientificically way you only touch the outside of something. I understand for a believer this is fine, np, but for science it wont. Thats all.
@@sven888 Jesus has been hijacked by Putin
You acknowledge Soul via negativa. Soul is not transitory. All that is transitory is no principle. The objective world and definition of mind is not the real reality or substratum.
Start with a Google search. There much to be discovered.
@@S3RAVA3LM When i talk to/with people I addapt to their state of perspective. That means with everyone my conversations will be different.
I notice your posts here and I think then, how much is authentically you and how much is borrowed. That might come over as harsh or an attack, its not. It is just that I am curious because...
If we apply the statement 'All that is transitory is no principle', it could suggest that while the knowledge in books and scriptures is valuable and insightful, it should not necessarily be regarded as immutable or eternal principles. Instead, they can be seen as interpretations, perspectives, or understandings of reality at a particular moment in time.
I like your dedication and passion for these matters.
Is the soul immortal? No, it is not. It’s completely ravaged by dementia, particularly when the frontal lobe/insular cortex is involved. It strikes the very core of a person.
@@halcyon2864 You're inventing things that don't exist.
@@halcyon2864 Yes, eventually you'll mature out of your childish fantasies, it can be hoped.
@@halcyon2864 Indeed, don't waste your life dreaming of gods and other realities that don't exist. This is all there is. Make the most of it.
@@halcyon2864 I'm perfectly cheerful knowing this is the only life we'll have! Can you deal with that and be cheerful, or do you need myths?
So you're delusional about it. Good for you.
The soul does not exist!
Even Donald Duck is more real than anything religions can offer...
Considering that this man does not speak about Religion your ignorance may continue blissfully.
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He talks of nothing but the constructed reality of Hinduism. What an incredibly stupid thing to say.
And Donald Duck doesn’t teach his followers to be racists and bigots.
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Believing in a soul is so stupid you need faith to accomplish it. Faith, ALL faith, is based on ignorant, god of the gaps, supernatural fantasies/hallucinations of religion. Anything supernatural is, by definition, religious. It’s only in the last few decades that Western cultures have had the luxury of having faith outside of an established religion. So, most, if not all, “mystical” beliefs are based on our established religions. Do you wish to address my assertions, or keep stuttering out nonsequitors?
Hinduism is not a consolidated Religion. Cover the basics before being insulting. But as no one cares its redundant anyway. @@craigswanson8026
Reincarnation philosophy is meaningless, as none of us can remember anything on karma of a previous life anywhere else in the universe. Also, how do we explain the fact that more than 50% of all living things die or get aborted even before they get an opportunity to fulfill the pending karma of previous lives?
Praise our Lord Jesus 😊
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Your "Lord Jesus" and Hindus' Lords, came on Earth ate food, answered nature's call, went to bed then woke up with harden wood and then experienced occasional self discharge otherwise known as wet-dream among men on Earth.
That is true. How else could Jesus bring us the good news? He had to be incarnate. @@rizwanrafeek3811
@@sven888 _"That is true. How else could Jesus bring us the good news? "_
You meant, him getting killed on your behalf is the 'good news'? If your answer is 'yes', then your 'god' isn't the God of Abraham.
Dear Rizwan. Thank you. I believe Jesus=God and vice versa. In any case. Perhaps God (Allah) is Diverse in Life so not to be alone? If this is the cause than I am very grateful you are here my brother. I am not trying to convince you. I just feel it's all about companionship/friendship (or love as they say in Christianity) really. Thank you. Hope it is a good Holiday season for everyone and that people can stop fighting. @@rizwanrafeek3811
Maybe Christians should work on ridding their religion of racism and bigotry before thinking they have a right to preach to the world.
waste of time and energy on contradictory speculations with not a shred of evidence. I really love your series but some are a total waste of time like this one. What applicable value did we get from this? 0 gain in knowledge with more confusion added.
And what do you think he is referring to? That any imagination of the human mind is the actual objective truth? He is referring to the fact that you need more than all the current existing knowledge, you also need imagination additionally, to make progress in understanding reality. Religion and human speculations are just imagination without knowledge.