Initiation: Gaudiya Matha or ISKCON?
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Recorded on 6 November 2020 in Meenangadi, Kerala, India.
Query:
Dandavats Maharaja, I have listened to almost every one of your lectures for the past 3 years. You are the only person I am attracted to listen to. Also I am a part of Sri Caitanya Saraswata Math the institution under B.R. Sridhar Maharaja and Srila Govinda Maharaj. I feel I should take initiation from the person who gives me most inspiration which is you. But I feel that I won't be able to follow the rules and regulations that you require for your disciples. I'm not sure what to do. Please give me guidance and advice. I don't know how to contact you, but I'm sure you read the comments here, or your disciples can give this message to you. My email is ...
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All Glories to Srila Prabhupada. Maharaja's response is very thoughtful and balanced. He presented viewpoints from both scriptures, historical devotees' lives and then practical considerations. Maharaja seemed neither too eager to accept disciple, nor did he neglect or ignore the genuine query of a seeker, knowing he may not end up being his disciple. We can learn so much about Vaishnava behaviour (non envious. compassion) from this 15 mins talk. All glories to Maharaja.
Thanks to Iskcom I found Srila BV Narayana Gosvami Maharaja , Sripada BV Vana Maharaja and the beautiful harikatha and bhajans and I took Initiation.
Jaya Srila Narayana Maharaja!
Srila Gurudev ki jai!
Hare Krishna my godbrother. Jai Srila Gurudev.
Jai Sirla Gurudev. Thanks to bhakti Vedanta swami maharaj ji because if you Sirla Gurudev came to western world to elevate us
Jai Srila Prabhupada! Jai Srila Gurudeva Srila Narayana Gosvami Maharaja. Jai Srila Bhaktivedanta Vana Gosvami Maharaja!
Dandavat Pranam Maharaj ji, In Gaudiya Maths there is no japa time because entire time is japa time in order to finish 64 rounds. However the guru may decrease the number to at least minimum 16 round as recommended by Srila Prabhupad. But indeed we are one family. Rupanuga, Prabhupadanuga. Srila Prabhupad is from Gaudiya math, so ISKCON is another branch of Gaudiya math, and is gaudiya math. Pranams.
Haribol,
Yes even AC bhaktivendant swami Maharaj is also a one founder of gaudiya Vedanta samiti (gaudiya math) he has taken sanyas from Shri bhaktipragyan Keshav goswamj Maharaj who is acharya of gaudiya math that time and a great disciple of srilla bhaktisidhant saraswati goswami prabhupad .
Radhe radhe
There are some differences between the two. Indeed there are.
Guru Maharaja is an well-wisher of everyone and very merciful. He genuinely cares about our spiritual advancement. All glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga! Thank you Guru Maharaja. I offer my obeisances to you again and again for your causeless mercy upon us. Hare Krishna!!!
Jaya Lord Sri Krishna, avatar for this Kali Yuga! Jayate Sriman Narayana, Supreme Lord! Om Namo Narayanaya!
in this Kali Yuga krishna incarnated as Sri Chaitanya mahaprabhu....by worshipping mahaprabhu one can easily get krishna prema.🙏🏻
I like your teaching and your pravachan. You are very intelligent. Scholar and philoshoper. Namasthe swamyji pranam, gurubhyonamahs.
I have started my journey over a month ago. Just trying now to find a community near me. Cleveland, oh. Hare Krishna 🙏🏿🌹💐🥀🙏🏿
Check out Columbus Iskcon too
Hare Krishna Dru, I can get you in contact with some devotees in Cleveland if you still need assistance
Koti dandavat pranam! We are fortunate to be listening to your lecture Maharaj.
Hare Krishna Maharaj. Thank you so much for your service. All glories to Sila Prabhupada. I study and associate at both temples. I’m so thankful for all the Devotees all over the world for helping this fallen soul. Thank you.
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This came at the perfect timing! I was asking about something very similar. Thank you for providing this valuable information.
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Hare Krishna!
Hare Krishna Maharaj Ji Dandvat Pranam
All Glories To Srila Prabhupada
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare
Nitai Gaur Premanandee ... Hari Hari Bol
Bhakti is independent and the flow of Bhakti Devi goes were ever the pure devotee is . Bhaktisiddhanta quote
Hare Krishna Guru Maharaj 🙏🏻❤️ Dandwat Pranam 🙏🏻❤️ Har Har Mahadev 🙏🏻❤️
Hare Krishna hare Krishna Krishna Krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare ❤❤❤😊
Hare Krisna, Jay Srilla Prabhupada, Dandwat Pranam, my obeisance unto lotus feet of all devotees and das! Please accept my obeisance and humble gratitude !
All glories to Srilla Prabhupada and the assemble devotees!
Hari Bol!
Maharaj seems like a nice gentleman, proper etiquette.
All Glories to all 7 recent Prabhupādas found in Prabhupād's books
I am in a Gaudiya branch and from the beginning it is said that we should chant 16 rounds AT LEASTTTTT.
Yes true!
By the way, are Karm Yogis who are devotees of lord krishn, can be considered Gaudiya Vaishnav?
@@ancient9182 To be a Gaudiya Vaisnava means to follow Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu, Sri Nityananda Prabhu, Sri Advaita Prabhu, and rest of Pancha Tattva, the Six Goswamis, and many other acaryas and such. There is ISKCON(and some spinoffs from them even now), there is Gaudiya Math(many of them), and there are the Traditional parivars.
When i was at Spd B D Madhava maharaj's math his rule was 32 rounds per day
@@ancient9182 You need to chant atleast 16 rounds in order to call yourself a gaudiya vaishnav
What is karma yoga? the actions done for krishna or the actions which take us towards liberation is karma yoga
eg- Distributing krishna prasad, inspiring others to chant hare krishna or visit krishna temple, making others aware of vaishnava literature and philosophy
Bhavas: ( " i eat so that i can be healthy, then i can do hari nam ", " i work to keep my life balanced, and in other times do hari naam" , " i do politics so that i can make india hindu rashtra and build more temples ")
These actions and the bhavas( i mentioned in quotes )can be called karma yoga
There are lot of idiots who think nithya karma is karma yoga, no working like donkey for raising kids or maintaining wife is not karma yoga
If i marry a vaishnavi and raise a vaishnava kid then it is karma yoga, why? That kid is going to be a blessing for the world, he will chant hari nam and keep the environment pure
But karma yoga alone cannot give liberation, hari naam is must
Have being listening to you. Very inspiring. Thanks
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Hare Krishna
Aapke shre charno me dandwat praname guru maharaj ji
Haribol. Dandavat pranam Maharaj. Thanks to your honest viewpoints and your stance to not cheapen the process of initiation
Dandvat pranam Guru Maharaj 🙏🙏🙏
Hare Krsna! There are different kinds of Guru, as the inspirer, the informer, the speaker, the guide etc... and there are also different levels of teachings from different gurus for different ashrama and purports, so we can learn different things according to our karma. In a certain way when we listen to a guru of course this make us to be his follower, in a theoretical way, if we listen from the heart, whether if we follow him also in a practical way we can reach his standard. So many different gurus but only one Krsna and if we pray Krsna the real Guru manifest Himself to us. Better to inquire and have different gurus from the same parampara, and everyone can teach us something...when we think to Shrila Prabhupada as an amazing preacher and acarya we reach the point because he put the seeds of bhakty in so many souls. He can teach us from the transcendental platform through his representatives on the same path with no doubt 🙏
Hare Krishna Guru Maharaj Ji 🙏 Dandavath Pranam 🙇
Hare Krsna Maharaji 🙏🙏🙏
Dandvat pranam 🙏🙏🙏
Srila Prabhupad ki Jai 🙏🙏🙏
Srila Bhakti Vikasa Swami Maharaj ki Jai 🙏🙏🙏
Hare krishan Prabhu ji....🙏🙏🙏
My master always gives the perfect answers
ISKCON is Goudiya Math. Because The first Goudiya Math was founded by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Prabhupad. So we should be respectful, not even,but loving
Jai Gurudev 🙏
Haribol ! Not following guru is the biggest aparad ! Hare Krishna
Hare krishna
Thank you for enlightening us Maharaja. And also your videos have a very loud sound which makes it easier to listen to. Some devotees videos have a very low sound, and I cannot hear well(my phone's speaker is weak) . But your sound is loud and clear, thank you.
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Hare Krishna!
Hare Krishna radhe radhe
Do Krishna care, if you said His Name you are saved, Lord Chaitanyas grace is unlimited?
Bg 18.66
Namaste prabhu
Some Gaudiya branches chant more rounds daily, noble analysis
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Gaudiya Matha also instructs minimum 16 rounds chanting daily.. Preaching doesn't happen like Iskcon does in Gaudiya Mathas..
હરેકૃષ્ણ હરેકૃષ્ણ હરેકૃષ્ણ હરેકૃષ્ણ હરેકૃષ્ણ હરેરામહરેહરે જયસીયારામ હરેરામહરેહરે
Prabhu srilaprabhupada 🙏🙏🙏
Hare Krishna! Horibol!
Hare krishna dandwat parnaam guru maharaj ji
Hello. I like your videos. I don't think I can stop watching TV because I watch UA-cam videos like yours . I have been researching on UA-cam. I would like to find s Guru, but there are none where I live. I just need some direction.
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Thank you! Hope this helps. Hare Krishna!
Hare Krsna
Jai maa 🙏🏻 jai radhakrishna 🔱🦚
Thank you Maharaja, you are great!!!
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Sometimes I feel like there is more conflict and controversies in spritual organizations or matha's then in material life... We all aspire to get free from dualities or dwand's but path of all organizations are full of dwands & always conflict each other... Really cant say who is right or wrong or both are wrong
In Gaudiya math the goal is to chant 64rounds/day starting minimum of 16 in all maths plus 4regs and no criticisms
Siksa guru cannot differ from siksha guru. Both are same in terms of disseminating the transcendental knowledge. Diksha guru is one and siksha guru can be many.
My personal preferences is not met by ISKCON anymore. Maybe before when i didnt know what was happening in iskcon i was interested to join. So im just following the principals and im chanting and offering food to Srila Prabhupada. Im trying my best to think about Krishna but i have to work so i can pay my bills and this is a little heavy. Im not interested in joining any other movement either.
What happened in iskcon?
Namaste prabhu Ji... How can I get deeksha from you??????
I want to serve you
First it would be good to listen to Maharajas lectures and understand his mood, mission and message. Then you can begin associating with his disciples to further understand this and pose questions to them also. After getting that understanding if you still want to take deeksha from Maharaja then the disciples can show you how.
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Hare Krishna 🙏
Hare Krishna
From comment section i can understand that this video is very useful but will somebody explain me what maharaj ji replied and to what question. Actually I can't understand what is said as i can understand only Indian accent
Very thoughtful. Well done
The Holy name is so potent that it doesn't wait for initiation.
Real initiation takes place in the heart when there is a fire of burning desire to turn to the Lord.
Monk of a swami order !
So proud of him and the land origine
Hare Krishna Dear Guru Maharaj PAMHO🙏🙏🙏
Without your mercy, blessings, no way to remove all my Anarthas . Please bless me so that I can always hear & follow you Gurumaharaj . Jaya Srila Prabhupadha🙏🙏🙏
Jaya Gurumaharaj. 🙇♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️
Hare Krishna
This is a wonderful pravachana on what can be a very thorny topic. This guidance is fully according to the standard etiquette and protocol of the Gaudiya Vaisnava sampradaya.
In regard to SCSM and Gaudiya Math, SCSM is no more (and no less) "Gaudiya Math" than ISKCON is. Srila Prabhupada and Srila Sridhar Maharaj both withdrew from the Gaudiya Math during its succession controversies and divisions; and they were closely associated with each at that time, and throughout the remainder of Srila Prabhupada's manifest pastimes. ISKCON and SCSM are therefore parallel descendant branches of Gaudiya Math, neither being closer than the other to it.
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@@BhaktiVikasaSwami thank you for your nice words of windsom
Please Hindi language
lecture..
Hare Krishna Prabhu pronam
jaya mahashaya narottama das ke!
🕉️💚
Like no 734 joy Sri krishna
VERY GOOD MESAGE.
Hare Krishna maharaj. PAMHO
I am in some intense delema regarding my endeavor in Krishna consciousness. Can i get help.
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Ahh this has been a struggle. I love Krishna & Radha and been doing home worship for couple years. But i still want to find a kirtan or temple community and ISKCON is most easy option. I think Srila Prabhupada deserves praise/credit for his success spreading Krishna in the west, but at the same time I don't agree with 100% of his personal opinions and ISKCON devotees tend to idolize him to the point of defending instead of saying 'he's a man of a certain culture and certain time" in terms of views of women for example. Can't we use rationality and adjust to the times with accordance to science? I've met other gaudiya vaishnavites who agree and say gaudiy vaishnavism without iskcon initiation is fine. I'm a very liberal progressive person, so it's hard to relate to conservatism for me haha
sorry for my little frustration :(
hari bol
If u want to join Iskcon full time take initiation from Iskcon Gurus.. If one want to join Gaudiya Matha take diksha from Gaudiya Matha.. That's it.. Gaudiya matha initiated devotees aren't accepted by Iskcon.. They don't take those devotees of Gaudiya matha for their full time service.. Neither Gaudiya matha sanyasis are accepted by Iskcon.. Both follow almost same philosophy same Sampradaya etc... Iskcon founder acharya himself belonged to Gaudiya matha.. Took diksha and sanyas from Gaudiya Matha.. But currently Iskcon doesn't accept service of Gaudiya matha devotees who want to do full time service in Iskcon.. But Iskcon devotees are easily accepted by Gaudiya Matha..
Hare Krishna..
It is like that in most ISKCON temples as you say. However I have a friend in Gaudiya Matha who has been making sweets for a few years now in iskcon London, also this year they let Asrama Maharaja who is in gaudiya Matha give class this year. There is hope.
If you're not sure...
ISKCON 🙏💛
Sir I have heard from prabhujis of iskcon that do small jobs so that you get time to attend bhagvtm classes and give more time to bhakti.. Sir I want to be an IPS officer...in which there are many time constraints so, this means I am not eligible for bhakti, I will 16 rounds chanting, offering bhog to krishna.. But the only thing which I can't do is to come temple regularly, I can come temple once in 4-5 months... Please tell me am I eligible for bhakti of krishna?
Hare Krishna Deepak Sani ji. Many kings and Princes who have ruled the world have been devotees of Krishna despite their busy schedule. So there is no restriction. Please work hard and become an IPS officer and use your position to serve Sanatana Dharma. Chant regularly, reading Srimad Bhagavatam everyday and offer bhog to the Lord everyday, fast from grains on Ekadasi and circumambulate Tulasi ji everyday. Just by doing this your Bhakti will be protected.
Thank you for your sincerity.
Hare Krishna,
Mukunda Bihari Das
Who said you can do Bhakti only by remaining in or going to a temple? Your mind itself can become a temple if your thoughts are pure...in the Vishnu Puran lord Vishnu demonstrated to Narad Muni that his greatest devotee was a poor villager on earth who constantly chanted his name quietly while peforming his daily duties...instead of Narad Muni who always believed that he was indeed lord Vishnu's greatest devotee since he had no worldly occupation and was always engaged in glorying his name..
(Managed by disciples) According to Srimad Bhagavatam 1.2.10, the goal of life is to inquire into the absolute truth and one need only endeavor in life to maintain himself so that he can do that. our time, energy and resources are limited and so it would be most intelligent to put all our energy in spiritual realization and minimal amount in material endeavors. This is the ideal situation. However whatever situation you are in, you can read Bhagavad-gita and Srimad Bhagavatam, chant Hare Krishna, rise early for mangala arti (even in your own home) and make sure we eat only food offered to Krishna. Try to associate with devotees and attend programs as much as is possible. In this way, by practicing all these we can maintain a good consciousness and try to advance in Krishna consciousness.
@@BhaktiVikasaSwami thank you so muc h swami ji🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇
Hare krishna🙏🙏
@@FMCariappa thank you so much prabhuji
Hare krishna🙏🙏 🙇
Divine
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Hare Krishna
ISKCON is GAUDYIAMATH......GOLDEN AVATAR CONSIENENCNESS.MANY BRANCHES THAT LEFT THE AURAL GURU VARGA HAVE DISSAPEARED.....THIS MOVEMENT IS ETERNAL..JUST PRAY TO SRI BALSRAM OR SRI NITAYANANDA THE ORIGINAL GURUJI AND YOU WILL GET ON LINE.NO USE OF POINTING THE ANGER FINGER IT WILL ONLY GET YOU ANGER...JUST CONCENTRATE ON RIDDING YOUR ENVY AND GREED LUST ETS.
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''kiba Iskcon kiba Gaudiya Rtvik kene nai
Je Krishna tattva veta sei Guru hai
Ritvik seriously??
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Why didn't he mention the initiation in and from the Traditional Parivars? Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu, Sri Nityananda Prabhu, Sri Advaita Prabhu, the rest of the Pancha Tattva, the Six Goswami's, and all other Gaudiya Vaisnavas were in the parivars and had traditional diksa all the way up to Srila BSST, who didn't take the traditional diksa, and formed the Gaudiya Matha, which has a number of differences from the traditional ways(even that of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, who was in the Nityananda Parivar, and no he never rejected it, or his diksa guru Srila Bipin Bihari Goswami). So why did he leave out such an important thing, that has been around for all the history of Gaudiyas, and without them, ISKCON and Gaudiya Matha(s) wouldn't even exist. The Gaudiya Matha was founded in 1918(the first temple that Srila BSST open after he took after taking Sanyassi-vesh was in 1918, Gaudiya Matha was established as it is, in 1920, but he called it Gaudiya Matha even in 1918).
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Hare Krsna! Please listen to this talk again. In this talk, Maharaja is replying to a specific query from a devotee who is a part of Caitanya Sarasvata Matha, but he is inspired by Maharaja and is listening to his lectures for the past 3 years. Although he has a desire to get initiated by Maharaja, but he thinks the rules and regulations of ISKCON are too difficult for him to follow. Hence he is seeking advice from Maharaja. Therefore Maharaja is specifically answering to his query only. Although briefly he spoke about the Caitanya tree and its various branches, but why he has to elaborate on that when the query is specific to Gaudiya Matha or ISKCON. If we ask you to differentiate between a lion and a cow, then you will stick to the subject matter. You won't discuss about all the various species of animals and their origins etc. Also this talk was directed towards ISKCON members so that they can understand the importance of diksa. Hence your question doesn't seem valid.
The only real initiation is seeing Krishna. Everything else is elementary School
Yikes!
What do you mean?
Hare Krishna
Hare krishna
Hare Krishna