He held every one in that hall completely captive. Everyone felt deeply moved. It was surprisingly emotional. Jordan himself seemed very touched to be there.
@anny791 Yeah, I noticed the same thing! The room fell dead-silent twice. I've been to lots of different events such as this one, and never have I seen something like this happen before.
Unfortunately, Slovenia never was behind the iron curtain. That's quite a terrible mistake for somebody like Peterson. Slovenia was a part of Yugoslavia that belonged to the Non-Aligned movement (in spite of it being a communist country). The iron curtain began east of Yugoslavia. I'm commenting on this here, because Mariah you understand that geography matters very much in Europe, unlike in North America.
"What good is happiness going to do you when you're unhappy? And you will be. So, there's nothing in that to get you out of bed in the morning. You need an adventure. The greater the better. So, it's back to the high seas gentlemen. Out on the rolling waves, where there are new continents to conquer and new things to overcome. If you think all the frontiers are gone, then you're not looking." Awe-inspiring words.
Who organised this event? Because of scarse publicity i missed it and i demand they pay me a ticket to Canada to go to listen to him ;)
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Na vprašanje, ali bi pristal na pogovor z Žižkom in zato prišel spet v Slovenijo, je Jordan Peterson rekel, da vsekakor. Torej upajmo na skorajšnjo debato Peterson - Žižek v Sloveniji!
You didn't know it because almost all of the slovenian mainstream media decided to ignore this event... which shows clearly how low is the intelectual position of slovenian media. The world leading intellectual figure here in Slovenia - and like nothing has happened... Quite remarkable, a?
Thank you for posting this talk. I absolutely love when he answers questions from the crowd. I’m always inspired to pursue personal responsibility; to seek to decrease the suffering that’s around me and not add to it.
"There is far more to you than you would like to believe..." What a gem! I enjoy listening to prof. Jordan Peterson but this particular lecture was really inspired. I keep coming back to it. Thanks for posting.
I checked his tour locations several times and didn't see my country. Where the heck do we see a full list? All I see is US, New Zeland, Australia and "Past Dates". I don't want to only see my city when it's on "Past Dates". Where's Europe?
Jordan Peterson is very high up in the list on the most influential intellectuals of our Age for a reason. This talk is proof of that. Inspirational, aspirational and hope filled.
In Aeon, by Carl Jung, he talks in great length about the pathway of become a well-integrated person and one of a myriad of pathways is embracing the 4 aspects of being: Feeling, Intuition, Sensation and Judgment. And once someone achieves integration of all 4 aspects then a 5th one emerges, a *_real person_* . And Peterson is definitely *_real_* .
You are not by any chance mixing his alleged intellectual influence with the fact that he had something meaningful to say to YOU? Do you think you are that important? It doesn't matter if there are thousands like you, this doesn't change the situation not one iota. Peterson will be forgotten in no less than five years time, if not earlier, of that I am sure. Why? Just because there are people rallying around him like he is somekind of prophet and savior (in some sense, he is, people need some moral support in fighting The Left) when in reality, new thought is always (and I mean always) contradicted, laughed at, mocked. Peterson is not new in any sense, he is more comparable to the TV evangelists than to world changing intellectuals, Dale Carnegie of our time (though I don't believe he will make such lasting impact). I don't question his sincerity, he might really believe in what he has to say, but that's usually a feature of a religious leaders, not academics. Academics are usually boring and inspiring in a totally another way, not the C. S. Lewis kind of way.
The only reason he's popular right now and his pop psychology book (easily interchangeable with any self-help books you can find in any book store) is because of the whole "pronoun" debacle and his vehement anti-SJW stance, especially concerning liberal feminism. Trust me, without his right wing fanbase, he'd still be a nobody in Canada.
The world needs more of this. This is what discourse looks like. We don't take the time to listen to one another. This gave me hope, you can hear a needle drop in the audience. Wonderful, just wonderful.
So, happy for you, Jordan, to have the honor to speak here and to have had such a heart felt applause at the end. Hopefully, your message is being heard. Please do not give up your quest. As you often mention, who knows how powerful an individual can be.
This is epitome of JP's lectures.. God, I have come to understand certain things only after this lecture.. I have listened to JP for a good two years now, and his lectures focus on pretty much the same topic and revolves around the same elements, yet each iteration gives you a different perspective..
So many people here talk like they're smarter and wiser than JBP. So will you please use that awesome mind to help millions improve their lives in a major way like he did? How many people did you help in your life?
Procitala sam knjigu 12 pravila za život! Fantasticna knjiga! Od postanka svijeta do danas Jordan Peterson pise o događajima i ljudima.Nije spominjao ni ustase ni cetnike. Hvala za tako vrijednu knjigu! A ni imbecile ne spominje!
Založba Družina, hvala za hitro objavo. Ta posnetek (ali pa njegovo kopijo, ki jo je že nekdo ukradel in objavil na svojem profilu) gledajo po vsem svetu, zato bi bilo dobro dodati tudi opis v angleščini, za vaše slovensko občinstvo pa slovenske podnapise. Če je potrebno, ne dvomim, da bi zlahka našli koga, ki bi vam to naredil brezplačno.
The talk began with his attitude of respect for his audience and understanding the traumatic recent past and the hushed silence of the audience reciprocated this.
His speech is so precise he makes a first mistake when he thinks we lived behind the Iron Curtains ... because his right wing mind dabbles in generalizations and falsehoods. Is this spouting quasi religious nonsense and falsehoods now considered "precision" for the gullible Peterson fanbase?
@@JohnSavant As I am reading through your comment, I see nothing that you offer other than ignorant assumptions. Perhaps if you actually studied a little more, you would know better than to assume JBP is right wing. Go sort yourself bucko.
@@rgb205 Again, what does the article state wrong about his self-help book? What is so egregiously false? At this point, a toddler knows that Peterson is right wing. Did he ever deny he is right wing? I mean, fyi, right wing does not necessarily mean Nazi, so don't be frightened. What is there to assume - he did a video for Prageru, is against left wing tendencies all the time (from feminism to Marxism), is outspokenly conservative, and focuses on a middle class individual and his "responsibility", not class consciousness. Seriously, what is so difficult to understand about his right wing stance? This has to be one of the most retarded denials by his fanbase ... this is stupidity at the same level as Shapiro's sheep when he convinced them that Hitler was a socialist because ... it's in the name. But yeah, I'm pretty sure your Orwellian "skills" in double speak will somehow transmogrify Peterson's right wing tropes into something which is magically turned upside down ... given the "context".
The only thing that surpasses the nutritional and healing qualities of a JDP lecture remains mom’s bowl of chicken soup. Another gem from the good Doctor.
domain: 'pseudo-scientific claims mixed with postmodernist mixture of Nietzche and Jung interpolated in conspiracy theory about "bloody cultural marxists"' merged with cheap self-help XD
Beautiful. Jordan Peterson, there are exceptional men, and there are great men. The latter are not superior nor inferior to the first. They don't have so much of a tittle to be worn around their waist, but they're recognizable right when you hear them speak. This stems from their honest effort, to put abilities in the service of common benefit, to find a way to put past suffering in the service of a brigther future. To find a resonance between Life and living. Thank you sir for making mistakes, for trying again, for lending us a piece of your mind...for sharing the bread.
Trying to close the Iron Curtain argument in the comments. Yugoslavia was behind the Iron Curtain until 1948. It was a very brief time but that doesn’t mean it never happened.
@Kiril Kuculoski: Just because Tito said so to fool the west for gaining more credits that saved Yugoslavia not only from bankrupcy, but also from humanitarian catastrophe? The 1948 Informbiro was just a puppet play for the outside diplomacy, and to be honest, very unconvincing. Ever heard of a term "Potemkin village"? Well that's your answer.
@anny791: What break up? Tito didn't IN FACT dare to fart while talking to Stalin who would squash Yugoslavia like a bug in a day if he heard him. There was no REAL break up between the Soviet and Yugsolav communists - they followed the same instructions form begining to the end and Yugoslaviadidn't have sovereignty not even for a second until the very fall of Berlin wall. Stop reading propaganda from 50s and get back to reality backed up with EVIDENCE.
Jordan Peterson is like a person who looked three films on discovery about fishes and corals and then selling his fake expertise about underwater life to average brainwashed Joe like a real hard core scientist. Of course average brainwashed Joe never saw a real coral so must be true what Mr. Patterson are saying. And you are perfect Joe
@@quasinormal that is not true what you are saying. Yugoslavia had a much different system than that of the Soviet Union and had much more USA help and influence than one might think.
@@usamj much different? For your information: communists killed far more civilians per capita during the war and after that than even the brutal Soviet regime did in Russia. In Yugoslavia, communists murdered more than 1 million people (about 10-15 percent of the population), while more than 3,5 million were taken to jail and tortured. In Slovenia not only regular Catholic priests, but also bishops were interrogated by Udba and they even burned one of them alive - years after the war. But of course the west who supported Titos communists didn't mention that in the media. Do you think the left media started to lie to the westerners just recently? I am from Slovenia myself, so please stop.pretending you know anything about our history just by watching some propaganda documentaries that History, Discovery like to do.
I am at a loss off words to somehow convey the profundity of this talk from JBP. His exploration into the depths of Consciousness and Being and their meanings rival any philosophical or spiritual work/teacher I've come across. And then to correlate them with their biblical representations is a masterpiece of thought. This talk is at another level from anything I've witnessed from Peterson, which is disconcerting for me because what else has he spoken among the countless forms of UA-cam content I have yet to come across!
Agree, his answer to what is the role for men in the 21st century (at 1:13:30) was for me the most philosophically and spiritually coherent, profound advice I've ever experienced.
@@johnpreston3807 A fantastic talk in so many regards. Again and again Peterson effortlessly untangles so many knots I've tied myself up in over the years. Very grateful and humbled for that.
Damn, when was that? Why nobody said he is here in Slovenia? Bloody hell, i'd pay 100 euros right away to attend this lecture if someone would just tell me he is in Slovenia. Argh!
@@subzero-yv7ln he speaks same things in such events. Go listen to his lectures first, they are worth the time and are not included in speeches like this one.
One should strive to speak the language of truth, or, better said, allow the language itself to disclose the clearing of truth; otherwise, the day will arrive when language will turn against all those who misspeak it.
@@jamieoconnor8692 You may think of "clearing" in spatial terms, as the place in which truth as such is disclosed or even as a set of possibilities which make it possible for truth to shine forth or become appreciable to others. This view does away with the metaphysical understanding of truth as "adequatio," which means an agreement with the thing and the idea of a thing. What I, therefore, mean by the clearing of truth has a closer resemblance to an _event_ , during which truth as such gets disclosed and thereupon all of its relationships with the things of the world. For further reference, see Martin Heidegger's "Poetry, Language, Thought." I hope I have not overly mystified my explanation.
Okay, im a Serb and let me tell you Yugoslavia wasnt nearly as good as people remember.Barren island/Goli otok anyone?When you were tortured and broken down to become a puppet or die in process.And tens of thousand of people died there mind you. Yeah sure people has cars and paid vacations, but really was that worth censorship and yes, brutality of the regime. And how they exploited young people to work for free so they can get a party membership card or otherwise couldnt get a job? Remember that? Or insane military service duration?These people who venerate Yugoslavia are insane, they forgot whole subservient culture that was imposed on us. Just keep your mouth shut and work, that was Yugoslavia for you.And no amount of so called good things are worth even the single life takan away by those socialists! And we didnt have iron curtain but dont kid yourselves we were controlled in other ways... Death of Yugoslavia,good riddance.Then only tragedy were 90s Balkan wars or brothers wars as recalled today.A tragedy...No one is innocent here btw, only various degrees of guilt.
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An excellent summary of life in YU. Thank you for that note. I'm so tired of people who thinks they know better while they never experienced those atrocities. And even more tired of people who as me lived in that period and are nowaday still brainwashed.
Thank you, for educating me, l had no idea that this was happening to you. The image I had was of my parents going on holiday and having a lovely time, with the welcoming people of Yugoslavia. I am sorry, I was so ignorant of the regime you lived with during those years. M.
I tried to buy a ticket but they were sold so fast that they costed at least 300 euro, so i just came to see this man through the window, i would LOVE to have a debate with this amazing man
Yugoslavia was the only country that remained independent with a balanced orientation between west and east. Yugoslavs were allowed to travel outside the country so I would not classify Slovenia (or Yugoslavia) as a country that used to be behind the so called iron curtain.
Now, we know the drill here in Slovenia: in few hours there will be some slovenian radical-anarcho-left comments here to provoke some right-wing-fundamentalists to response with the same ignorance to their provocations. That is very bad and it makes me feel sorry for those, who at least try to actually l i s t e n to Peterson what he's got to say. And he speaks the language that is in every sense light years above the typical slovenian political or world-view debate. Look at him this way: he is very, very careful with his words, and he have the arguments for what he is saying. If you have the better argument, scientific-proven one of course, he will actually listen to you - isn't that quite remarkable role for us Slovenians?
I think he really is incredibly careful with his many, many words, to the point that he becomes kindda amorphic and almost impossible to pinpoint exactly what he is saying. Just lots and lots of words about some very basic things (that most people realize, learn, know before adulthood) and lots of words about his train of though that is actually interesting, but doesn't make it right/correct/true. .. I would say that i'm surprised with this huge fascination with him, but I actually am not. he speaks in a way that you can hear what you want to hear (but thats true for most of "hearing", so also nothing new here), but I am surprised that people "buy" it - and what kind of people - where have they grown up? No parents, teachers, relatives, friends, school, books, tv, internet...? Or they, as most people, just like to hear what they already "know", but in a way that sounds very complex and "scientific"?
" right-wing-fundamentalists to response with the same ignorance to their provocations." For instance? I know the Slovenian political scene quite well, but unfortunatelly (for the democracy itself), I don't know any of those you mentioned. The "radical right" in Slovenia is an artificial concept, invention of the far left mainstream media that declares EVERY democrat (anti-totalitartian) either as nazi-fascist or intolerant primitive so it is easier for the communist regime to maintain its unchallenged throne for 70 years now. In other words: everyone that doesn't buy the shallow and populistic socialist propaganda is considered as a radical right-winger = second class citizen. Relativism that resonates from your comment is the exact reason for our country being the last standing fortress of unreformed Tito's sovietlike communism in the whole EU - which unfortunatelly doesn't seem to care abot the cancer in it's very center.
@@@gl-yk4ib - YOURS - "but I am surprised that people "buy" it - and what kind of people - where have they grown up?" - I suppose you consider Lefturds as only "people" that don't "buy" Jordan's - "lots and lots of words". Reason for that is simple... Lefturds alone babble "lots and lots of words"... but hardly understand any.
@@quasinormal ''The "radical right" in Slovenia is an artificial concept''. No it's not. It's a very real concept propagated by myriad of die hard ex communists in the yugoslavia, turned from true communist or in this case, titoist believers, into die hard conservatives, with a raging hardon for anti democratic and anti free speech policies we see in religious shitholes like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan etc... As an example, take Janez Janša, the current president of the Slovenian Democratic Party( democratic only by name, it's a stalinist like cult). Back in Yugoslavia, he was ardent communist, in fact, he was so entrenched in titoist ideology, a lot of his ''comrades'' viewed him as a psychopath with authoritarian tendies. Now he's a condemned criminal, with accusations of corruption during the time of Slovenian Seccession from Jugoslavia via illegal arms trading and Patria case, which is wildly considered to be one of the biggest political scandals in Slovenian history, yet even though all the evidence of his corruption is literally out there, his supporters see him and follow him to the point of godlike addoration, due to his 180° shift from communist to narcisistic christian cuckservative. You're saying that conservatives and right wingers are all portrayed here as fascists, which is false, just because one magazine (you know damn well who i'm talking about here) says you're a fascist it doesn't mean you are. But on the other hand, when far right parties endorse and spread false anti scientific information like nova24tv, or some other freakshow like 24kul and other pro christian sites, you have to ask yourself if maybe there is a grain of truth here. You said the left wants to censor everything and demonizes the right as some kind of nazis, yet the same right wingers are working hard to censor OTHER oppinions and even medical procedures like abbortion, or censoring of LGBT information, spreading church lies and brainwashing people, demonizing groups you don't agree with etc... You want to present our political situation like it's black and white, poor righteous right wingers are being opressed by the left, even though the whole situation is far more complicated, and at the very least, it's really the right wing parties that are holding the reins here in Slovenija. Also, if right wingers are second class citiziens, why are so many of them in power? Just look at what power the paedocul i mean the catholic church has in Slovenia. If what you said was true, they wouldn't have been able to organize and supress gay marrige act and won the referendum against it in 2015. Again, you're lying and you're trying to portrait yourself as a victim, which is quite disturbing. What's more disturbing, is that the slovenian right doesn't move an inch when slovenian poplulation in neighbouring countries is being attacked or presecuted by nationalists from Austria or Italy, in fact, it was those damned liberal lefty hippies who stood up and voiced their partiotic support for slovenian identity. What did the right do? They were quiet, in fact they weren't allowed to say dogshit because they are funded by other right wingers from europe, like hungary. So much for right wingers caring about Slovenian nation and identity.... Not all of them are of course like this, I'm a right winger my self and I hate being lumped togather with these opportunistic fascists under cloak of partiotism.Of course it goues without saying there are many, MANY crazy left wingers to. Fortunately we don't have so many crazy feminists and other SJW creeps like other countries have, but they pale in comparrison with the right here, who actualy have institutionalized powers, unlike those annoying feminist activists. If you're triggered by my comment, get fucked cunt, freedom of speech is not licensed to one side.
I like his comments on doing good. I think this is a fair definition of a good person, Environment is better because this person is or was here. Simply cleaning or organizing your environment makes you a good person. If people you work with, operate at a higher level because you're there, you're a good person at an even higher degree. Allow for potential of yourself and respect it's power . Self hatred is in hubris if you don't understand yourself very well to begin with, if you acknowledge that , then how can you hate others.
Yugoslavia was not considered to be behind the Iron curtain, since it was not part of the Warsaw pact. Also it was an independent nation and Tito was friendly to NATO and the Warsaw pact whenever it suited his needs.
@Miki Miyazaki nothing douche about it, its just sad... I mean, wait, don't you think there is world beyond your subjective perspective?!?! ***Spoiler alert: There is more than 1 continent on this planet, douchebag!
Why is it then said that iron curtain reached from Stettin to Trst? At the beginning Yugoslavia was on the USSR's side until the Tito-Stalin conflict. Nevertheless, Yugoslavia as communist state will always be considered on the West as part of the reds... Even though it tried to be neutral.
Slovenian people will a l l understand this. Lots of people says, haw strong the impact on their lives have Peterson's lectures, in the terms of quitting bad habits, stop drinking etc. That's awesome. But me - the biggest impact Peterson have made so far on me - is that my articulation of philosophy/world-view/politics/society/"you name it" is fully different than before. I used to think in the left-right polarisation terms. Because that is all what was available here in Slovenia for last decades, Universities taught us to think that way. And of course, all the mainstream and public medias are leaning strongly on the left, so I was reasonable enough, to put myself in opposite viewpoint, like Drago Jančar said (something like that): "In the country, where the left have the absolute power, is being the leftist at least indecently, if not just boring." And now here comes the Peterson. Who totally d e m o l i s h e d that naive Slovenian left-right agenda. It is not anymore to think in the way, that your group (left or right) expect from you. It is your conclusions that you have made based on facts, reading, researching, thinking and seems reasonable to you and thus you can stand for your opinion, based on facts, no matter in which group will be put in. Peterson has shown us that thinking this way i s not only possible, but rather shows how deeply we wanted that type of discussion. People like Peterson - it seems like there are lots of them now, Sam Harris is the excellent example - and it is in z e r o sense no important, if I agree with him, it goes for freedom of speech and freedom of t h i n k i n g. Here in Slovenia I have also one person in mind, which goes that way, that is Andraž Teršek. And some others also shows some good signs to go with him... Just not forget the words "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Sounds like the right track, someday you'll be able to spell polarization. 'merka! Jokes, good comment. Peterson is very smart, I think he is a bit overconfident and slightly blue pilled (thinks the government is necessary and his theory on the balance between creative and orderly personalities extends to the amorphous political right and left. I believe in anarchism with borders, something I'm sure peterson and many others would scold as naive) I appreciate the man a lot, but think he has a ceiling of understanding that only psychedelics or a dramatic event could change. I acknowledge I could be wrong. But think I have formed my idea's on solid ground.
Great lecture but, he makes a mistake, generalising about Yugoslavia being behind the Iron Curtain. Yugoslavia was mainly a neutral state belonging neither to Nato or the Warsaw Pact. And the state had it's own specific brand of socialism, far better that the one in the Soviet Union or China.
@UCtOGGBEQsy2R1U-wozWOo6Q Sorry, but this is a historic fact, so look it up and read it. Your emotional response is primitive and simplistic, and is far from the objective side of the matter. To spit on Yugoslavia is to spit on all the states that made it. Btw I'm macedonian and not trying to promote the yugo-socialism. Also I love what is the ultimate point of the claim that Peterson makes, but he is wrong none the less.
A comment below explains Winston Churchill included Slovenia (behind Trieste) as being behind the Iron Curtain. So if anyone wants to chastise anyone, blame Churchill. The Western media focused, or reported on Western politicians, arguably Peterson's source.
www.history.com/this-day-in-history/churchill-delivers-iron-curtain-speech Winston Churchill 1946 “From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the continent.” Your problem if you don't like facts, because they hurt your feelings
@@bozicekbozicek5682 Yugoslavia was never part of the Warsaw Pact, therefore not behind the curtain politically! Regardless of Churchill's geographical determinant. simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Curtain simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact
@@blagojcilakov2630 No, my friend, he was not wrong, no matter how some might try to twist the truth. Churchill invented the term 'Iron Curtain' so he would know what he was talking about, now wouldn't he? Yes, of course, it wasn't as bad as the CCCP or Maoist China - if you are talking about the 1950ies and later, after Yugoslavia had been kicked out of the Comintern, but before that, it was every bit as bad or even worse. Just come to Slovenia and see for yourself, it's like walking on crips for all the identified and unidentified mass graves, even now. But Družina, thanks for posting. Great speech of JBP's!
Great answer to the question on communist era nostalgia. The comparison with the people of Israel once they got out of Egypt. Nostalgia after ignorance. Finding your way/aim once out of dictatorial rule. Its hard to find your way after you have been told what to do for such a long time. Great answer!
Not exactly ignorance when a lot of people actually lived better in Yugoslavia than they do now, especially with our neoliberal govermnent trying to privatize air and making pensions for old people miserable as fuck. This Peterson is a hack fraud who doesn't even know Yugoslavia was not behind the Iron Curtain.
Winston Churchill's "Sinews of Peace" address of 5 March 1946, at Westminster College, used the term "iron curtain" in the context of Soviet-dominated Eastern Europe: From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic an iron curtain has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Central and Eastern Europe. Warsaw, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Belgrade, Bucharest and Sofia; all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Soviet sphere, and all are subject, in one form or another, not only to Soviet influence but to a very high and in some cases increasing measure of control from Moscow.
If no one has suggested the title of "The Modern Socrates" by now... I'd be rather surprised, but also, I'd be happy that I commented tonight. If that's not a good enough title, below are some others that come to mind: - My philosophical spirit animal - The world's teacher for how to think - The genuine exemplar of care for human beings - A candidate for messianic legendhood - An Archetypal Hero seeking out Chaos to create something good by ameliorating malevolence - An intellectual sharp shooter - A light I should stop before I say Jesus reincarnate...
"Back to the high seas gentlemen, out on the rolling waves where there are new continents to conquer, and new things to overcome, and if you think that all the frontiers are gone then you're not looking, cause theirs frontiers everywhere and that's where you should be, working diligently to expand the domain of habitable order into the chaos of potential" 1:15:22
@@nevenrogic7606 rational argument? He'll just dismiss it as unsatiated libido. Only pretentious psudeo intellectuals find this ridiculous man valuable in making them feel smart and superior, he has not said even once sentence worth the read in his entire career.
@@nevenrogic7606 I don't need to waste my time reading the cocaine fueled ramblings of this charlatan to realize he's an idiot, I once tried to read a book by his that perplexed, or something to that effect in the title, my oh mine was I amused by the stupidity of those pretending this moron is a philosopher. Leftist stupidity is at its most remarkable when it's accompanied by a dose of pretentiousness. One of the many reasons that the left is losing ground all over the place is because you have no clarity of thought, which is incredibly difficult to feint when you're in opposituion with reality itself. Now go on, bring one meaningful or useful thing this clown has contributed to the realm of philosophy or human thought. I'll wait.
II think every educated person would like to see Žižek publically dismanteled, the same as all the communist so called intelectuals who never in their lives accept an open public debate, because they all know their whole theory is based on shallow platitudes that only desperate proletarians buy.
It is quite funny that when JBP speaks in the Western Europe there are protests and silly interviews etc. and when he speaks to the people of Central and Eastern Europe, pretty much everyone is basically "Yep, that makes sense".
I was the one who asked the Žižek vs. Paterson question. :) So when it comes down to that in Ljubljana, please reserve a free front seat ticket for me. :P
@@selvermaric4378 That is not problem. All Jordan has to do is ask him what the difference between private property and personal property is, and who decides the specific cases, and Žižek will give plenty of "it depends on what you mean by X". He rarely goes two sentences without contradicting himself.
@@selvermaric4378 “The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name.” ― Confucius Many disputes come down to semantics. Marxism largely boils down to "Hierarchies are bad, so let's set one up and claim we didn't". Jordan addresses hierarchies in details, and until Marxists can explain how humans can proceed without hierarchy, they have yet to start proving their point. Hierarchies, like anything, can have problems, but their existence cannot be said to be a problem while they have a useful/collaborative form. Most energy in most Marxists' argument is spent on avoiding this central point instead of addressing it. If a commissar has to decide what is and isn't mine, I can't see how capitalism, where the consumer at least makes _some_ choices, can be seen as any worse.
Questions: 48:45 "How to talk to people about meaningful things but to people that do not care about freedom and truth / How to deal with radical left ideology?" 1:01:11 "How should we as young people shape the society so that old communist regime would be recognized as bad / How do you comment nostalgia after communism in ex communist countries? 1:13:07 "What's your opinion on Slavoj Zizek and would you debate him?" / "Role of men in 21st century"
If our media would at least tell a date for his event, there would be at least few 10k people at some bigger place. Im glad I look somewhere else than just our mainstream, which is totally biased and got to this event and meet him in person :) . The event was organized by our christian institution, im glad it promotes critical thinking and great thinkers.
@anny791 Okej, if you want technicalities, NATO was formed in 1949, and Warsaw Pact in 1955, so technically, he is not right. :) But seriously now, countries behind Iron Curtain were those were there was Soviet occupying force after WW2. Red Army didn't stay in Yugoslavia after WW2, but quickly withdrew after Allied defeat of Nazis.
It doesn't matter if Slovenia was (and how much was it) or was not behind Iron curtain. What matters is, that Slovenia is democratic and has free market economy for 30 years now. So someones failures and frustrations in life are not the fault of Communism anymore, its just their own. And the basic difference between Žižek and Peterson? Well, Slavoj is a funny and humorous guy, his lectures certainly don't have the spirit of funeral, like JP's had (with silence and flower arrangements).
I browsed through the video quickly just to see (without sound) what it looked like. I caught him doing that fun wiggly-fingers thing again - watch and see.
So maybe it comes down to a fight between those for a sense of belonging. ..didn't Laszlo say this was highest form?...and if so we understand the polarity now...because those that feel they are evil want to bring those into their world...and the opposite of those that are good
I love all the Marxist and post-Modernist apologetics that are performing some entertaining mental gymnastics to try and discredit Dr. Peterson. "But... but... Yugoslavia wasn't part of the Iron Curtain!!! (debatable at best) Ha! Ha! Ha! I got you Peterson, hee! hee!" We know that complex thought is a foreign concept for you anti-Peterson zealots and you have attention spans that max out at 3 seconds, but TRY to put some into it ;) Try again.
He held every one in that hall completely captive. Everyone felt deeply moved. It was surprisingly emotional. Jordan himself seemed very touched to be there.
@anny791 It takes a lot of effort and focus for non-native English speakers to understand JP.
@anny791 Yeah, I noticed the same thing! The room fell dead-silent twice. I've been to lots of different events such as this one, and never have I seen something like this happen before.
I really hope that a debate with Jordan Peterson and Slavoj Žižek will really happen.
btw Mariah Dolenc, nice vlog and i am jealous i missed this event. Check her VLOG, she is so cool™ and interesting...
Unfortunately, Slovenia never was behind the iron curtain. That's quite a terrible mistake for somebody like Peterson. Slovenia was a part of Yugoslavia that belonged to the Non-Aligned movement (in spite of it being a communist country). The iron curtain began east of Yugoslavia. I'm commenting on this here, because Mariah you understand that geography matters very much in Europe, unlike in North America.
"What good is happiness going to do you when you're unhappy? And you will be. So, there's nothing in that to get you out of bed in the morning. You need an adventure. The greater the better. So, it's back to the high seas gentlemen. Out on the rolling waves, where there are new continents to conquer and new things to overcome. If you think all the frontiers are gone, then you're not looking."
Awe-inspiring words.
I can't believe Jordan Peterson was in Ljubljana and I didn't know it...
Who organised this event? Because of scarse publicity i missed it and i demand they pay me a ticket to Canada to go to listen to him ;)
Na vprašanje, ali bi pristal na pogovor z Žižkom in zato prišel spet v Slovenijo, je Jordan Peterson rekel, da vsekakor. Torej upajmo na skorajšnjo debato Peterson - Žižek v Sloveniji!
You didn't know it because almost all of the slovenian mainstream media decided to ignore this event... which shows clearly how low is the intelectual position of slovenian media. The world leading intellectual figure here in Slovenia - and like nothing has happened... Quite remarkable, a?
@ To bi pa bilo nekaj za pogledati.
same....
Thank you for posting this talk. I absolutely love when he answers questions from the crowd. I’m always inspired to pursue personal responsibility; to seek to decrease the suffering that’s around me and not add to it.
"There is far more to you than you would like to believe..." What a gem! I enjoy listening to prof. Jordan Peterson but this particular lecture was really inspired. I keep coming back to it. Thanks for posting.
He was in Slovenia but I didn't know... Ffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Yeah, fuuuuuuuck
same
hehe I went dude i got to cry in front of him for like 40 seconds was really great and embarrassing
I checked his tour locations several times and didn't see my country. Where the heck do we see a full list? All I see is US, New Zeland, Australia and "Past Dates". I don't want to only see my city when it's on "Past Dates". Where's Europe?
Yeah, fuck, I just found out, and I was free that day ;C
He is an incredible man in our times
Jordan Peterson is very high up in the list on the most influential intellectuals of our Age for a reason. This talk is proof of that. Inspirational, aspirational and hope filled.
This is a beautiful talk.
In Aeon, by Carl Jung, he talks in great length about the pathway of become a well-integrated person and one of a myriad of pathways is embracing the 4 aspects of being: Feeling, Intuition, Sensation and Judgment. And once someone achieves integration of all 4 aspects then a 5th one emerges, a *_real person_* . And Peterson is definitely *_real_* .
You are not by any chance mixing his alleged intellectual influence with the fact that he had something meaningful to say to YOU? Do you think you are that important? It doesn't matter if there are thousands like you, this doesn't change the situation not one iota. Peterson will be forgotten in no less than five years time, if not earlier, of that I am sure. Why? Just because there are people rallying around him like he is somekind of prophet and savior (in some sense, he is, people need some moral support in fighting The Left) when in reality, new thought is always (and I mean always) contradicted, laughed at, mocked. Peterson is not new in any sense, he is more comparable to the TV evangelists than to world changing intellectuals, Dale Carnegie of our time (though I don't believe he will make such lasting impact). I don't question his sincerity, he might really believe in what he has to say, but that's usually a feature of a religious leaders, not academics. Academics are usually boring and inspiring in a totally another way, not the C. S. Lewis kind of way.
The only reason he's popular right now and his pop psychology book (easily interchangeable with any self-help books you can find in any book store) is because of the whole "pronoun" debacle and his vehement anti-SJW stance, especially concerning liberal feminism. Trust me, without his right wing fanbase, he'd still be a nobody in Canada.
@@JohnSavant Did you read it?
The world needs more of this. This is what discourse looks like. We don't take the time to listen to one another. This gave me hope, you can hear a needle drop in the audience. Wonderful, just wonderful.
We need not more Zionist Shills trying to lead the narrative. But as 2 Timothy 4:3-4 states. 😑
So, happy for you, Jordan, to have the honor to speak here and to have had such a heart felt applause at the end. Hopefully, your message is being heard. Please do not give up your quest. As you often mention, who knows how powerful an individual can be.
This is beautifully shot
Thank you Jordan for visiting Slovenia, I had the pleasure to listen to this live and it was beyond awesome, very memorable day!
This is epitome of JP's lectures.. God, I have come to understand certain things only after this lecture.. I have listened to JP for a good two years now, and his lectures focus on pretty much the same topic and revolves around the same elements, yet each iteration gives you a different perspective..
So many people here talk like they're smarter and wiser than JBP. So will you please use that awesome mind to help millions improve their lives in a major way like he did? How many people did you help in your life?
W_rk
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Thank you.
Fucking say it louder my friend
W_rk well Call me dumb but unlike this "intellectual" I don't believe in Ghosts
@@morenitomoreno1282 whether you believe in ghosts or not does not affect whether or not they exist. .
DamnItDarin lol are you actually arguing that the existence of ghosts is debatable and we should take JP seriously?
Procitala sam knjigu 12 pravila za život! Fantasticna knjiga! Od postanka svijeta do danas Jordan Peterson pise o događajima i ljudima.Nije spominjao ni ustase ni cetnike. Hvala za tako vrijednu knjigu! A ni imbecile ne spominje!
Založba Družina,
hvala za hitro objavo. Ta posnetek (ali pa njegovo kopijo, ki jo je že nekdo ukradel in objavil na svojem profilu) gledajo po vsem svetu, zato bi bilo dobro dodati tudi opis v angleščini, za vaše slovensko občinstvo pa slovenske podnapise. Če je potrebno, ne dvomim, da bi zlahka našli koga, ki bi vam to naredil brezplačno.
The talk began with his attitude of respect for his audience and understanding the traumatic recent past and the hushed silence of the audience reciprocated this.
“It is the case that you learn in pain, and the consequence of that is that your nostalgic for your ignorance.” Wow.....
jscdragon awesome quote .. do you recall around when in the lecture JBP said that ?
His speech is beyond precise. Such an incredible man.
His speech is so precise he makes a first mistake when he thinks we lived behind the Iron Curtains ... because his right wing mind dabbles in generalizations and falsehoods. Is this spouting quasi religious nonsense and falsehoods now considered "precision" for the gullible Peterson fanbase?
@@JohnSavant As I am reading through your comment, I see nothing that you offer other than ignorant assumptions. Perhaps if you actually studied a little more, you would know better than to assume JBP is right wing. Go sort yourself bucko.
@@rgb205 Again, what does the article state wrong about his self-help book? What is so egregiously false?
At this point, a toddler knows that Peterson is right wing. Did he ever deny he is right wing? I mean, fyi, right wing does not necessarily mean Nazi, so don't be frightened. What is there to assume - he did a video for Prageru, is against left wing tendencies all the time (from feminism to Marxism), is outspokenly conservative, and focuses on a middle class individual and his "responsibility", not class consciousness.
Seriously, what is so difficult to understand about his right wing stance? This has to be one of the most retarded denials by his fanbase ... this is stupidity at the same level as Shapiro's sheep when he convinced them that Hitler was a socialist because ... it's in the name.
But yeah, I'm pretty sure your Orwellian "skills" in double speak will somehow transmogrify Peterson's right wing tropes into something which is magically turned upside down ... given the "context".
Oh, and btw, he uses the term "cultural Marxism" as if it exists. Please show me anyone who isn't right wing that uses this term seriously.
@@rgb205 He's a marxist. He has been consumed by ideology.
Thanks for posting! I really appreciate it!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you for posting! I really appreciate it!🙏👏👏👏👏
If I knew he's coming in Slovenia I would come from Croatia there...
that was one hell of an applause
One of the best JBP speeches I've heard! And I heard most of them.
The only thing that surpasses the nutritional and healing qualities of a JDP lecture remains mom’s bowl of chicken soup. Another gem from the good Doctor.
Peterson is a Rockstar in his own domain.
domain: 'pseudo-scientific claims mixed with postmodernist mixture of Nietzche and Jung interpolated in conspiracy theory about "bloody cultural marxists"' merged with cheap self-help XD
its an interesting domain nevertheless, cannot beat him in that category since he's the only one playing hahaha
Beautiful.
Jordan Peterson, there are exceptional men, and there are great men. The latter are not superior nor inferior to the first. They don't have so much of a tittle to be worn around their waist, but they're recognizable right when you hear them speak. This stems from their honest effort, to put abilities in the service of common benefit, to find a way to put past suffering in the service of a brigther future. To find a resonance between Life and living. Thank you sir for making mistakes, for trying again, for lending us a piece of your mind...for sharing the bread.
i love this talk. as deep as it gets. he is at his best here. best wishes to jbp and his family, hope they are all in good health.
Trying to close the Iron Curtain argument in the comments. Yugoslavia was behind the Iron Curtain until 1948. It was a very brief time but that doesn’t mean it never happened.
@Kiril Kuculoski: Just because Tito said so to fool the west for gaining more credits that saved Yugoslavia not only from bankrupcy, but also from humanitarian catastrophe? The 1948 Informbiro was just a puppet play for the outside diplomacy, and to be honest, very unconvincing. Ever heard of a term "Potemkin village"? Well that's your answer.
@anny791: What break up? Tito didn't IN FACT dare to fart while talking to Stalin who would squash Yugoslavia like a bug in a day if he heard him. There was no REAL break up between the Soviet and Yugsolav communists - they followed the same instructions form begining to the end and Yugoslaviadidn't have sovereignty not even for a second until the very fall of Berlin wall. Stop reading propaganda from 50s and get back to reality backed up with EVIDENCE.
Jordan Peterson is like a person who looked three films on discovery about fishes and corals and then selling his fake expertise about underwater life to average brainwashed Joe like a real hard core scientist.
Of course average brainwashed Joe never saw a real coral so must be true what Mr. Patterson are saying.
And you are perfect Joe
@@quasinormal that is not true what you are saying. Yugoslavia had a much different system than that of the Soviet Union and had much more USA help and influence than one might think.
@@usamj much different? For your information: communists killed far more civilians per capita during the war and after that than even the brutal Soviet regime did in Russia. In Yugoslavia, communists murdered more than 1 million people (about 10-15 percent of the population), while more than 3,5 million were taken to jail and tortured. In Slovenia not only regular Catholic priests, but also bishops were interrogated by Udba and they even burned one of them alive - years after the war. But of course the west who supported Titos communists didn't mention that in the media. Do you think the left media started to lie to the westerners just recently?
I am from Slovenia myself, so please stop.pretending you know anything about our history just by watching some propaganda documentaries that History, Discovery like to do.
Hvala za upload
Dear Jordan: I contacted you on Twitter. God Loves You Brother!
Thank you for uploading this. You’ve made my day :-)
seen him speak in Vancouver,what a amazing man
One of the greatest human beings alive.
And that's that!
I am at a loss off words to somehow convey the profundity of this talk from JBP. His exploration into the depths of Consciousness and Being and their meanings rival any philosophical or spiritual work/teacher I've come across. And then to correlate them with their biblical representations is a masterpiece of thought. This talk is at another level from anything I've witnessed from Peterson, which is disconcerting for me because what else has he spoken among the countless forms of UA-cam content I have yet to come across!
Agree, his answer to what is the role for men in the 21st century (at 1:13:30) was for me the most philosophically and spiritually coherent, profound advice I've ever experienced.
@@johnpreston3807 A fantastic talk in so many regards. Again and again Peterson effortlessly untangles so many knots I've tied myself up in over the years. Very grateful and humbled for that.
He is using his Christ like virtue to speak the truth.
Take the LSD
That was the most deserved applause that has ever occurred.
Damn, when was that? Why nobody said he is here in Slovenia? Bloody hell, i'd pay 100 euros right away to attend this lecture if someone would just tell me he is in Slovenia. Argh!
UnssenX That proves how biased media is in Slovenia and mostly everywhere
CamTube TV EXTREMELY correct.
@@subzero-yv7ln he speaks same things in such events. Go listen to his lectures first, they are worth the time and are not included in speeches like this one.
Tickets were sold out in hours. I knew before hand and couldnt acquire a single one.
Yeah same here I would've loved to go if only I knew it was in Slovenia... but I haven't even heard his name mentioned in the media...
god damn it... i didnt know he came to slovenia and i freaking missed it!
I cant belive I missed it... I saw it in news when it was over. 1h drive and I would see him live.. Whyyyy cruelll wooorldd 😭
'To expand the domain of habitable order into the chaos of potential - discover who you are' - Peterson; beautiful.
Actually very curious to know the increase in students majoring in psychology over the past couple of years, or since Dr. J Peterson went mainstream.
Jordan moves me most of the time.
ohh hell..how did I miss this!! so mad right now.
Ne vem kako sem sploh zamudil to, definitivno bi se udeležil če bi vedel :) Dammit how did i miss this
JPB needs to come to Belgrade,a lot of people know him here!
One should strive to speak the language of truth, or, better said, allow the language itself to disclose the clearing of truth; otherwise, the day will arrive when language will turn against all those who misspeak it.
May I ask, with due respect. What exactly did you intend, in terms of 'Statement', when you wrote, "The clearing of truth"?
@@jamieoconnor8692 You may think of "clearing" in spatial terms, as the place in which truth as such is disclosed or even as a set of possibilities which make it possible for truth to shine forth or become appreciable to others. This view does away with the metaphysical understanding of truth as "adequatio," which means an agreement with the thing and the idea of a thing. What I, therefore, mean by the clearing of truth has a closer resemblance to an _event_ , during which truth as such gets disclosed and thereupon all of its relationships with the things of the world. For further reference, see Martin Heidegger's "Poetry, Language, Thought." I hope I have not overly mystified my explanation.
More Jordan Peterson events in eastern Europe please. God bless that man.
Nujno potrebujete slovenske podnapise! Ali pa vsaj omogočite, da jih dodamo gledalci sami.
Jordan Peterson is a prophet. He has the answers humankind has been searching. He logically explains where we are in this world.
See his tackling of "The Jewish Question" then report back. 😉
Okay, im a Serb and let me tell you Yugoslavia wasnt nearly as good as people remember.Barren island/Goli otok anyone?When you were tortured and broken down to become a puppet or die in process.And tens of thousand of people died there mind you. Yeah sure people has cars and paid vacations, but really was that worth censorship and yes, brutality of the regime. And how they exploited young people to work for free so they can get a party membership card or otherwise couldnt get a job? Remember that? Or insane military service duration?These people who venerate Yugoslavia are insane, they forgot whole subservient culture that was imposed on us. Just keep your mouth shut and work, that was Yugoslavia for you.And no amount of so called good things are worth even the single life takan away by those socialists! And we didnt have iron curtain but dont kid yourselves we were controlled in other ways... Death of Yugoslavia,good riddance.Then only tragedy were 90s Balkan wars or brothers wars as recalled today.A tragedy...No one is innocent here btw, only various degrees of guilt.
An excellent summary of life in YU. Thank you for that note. I'm so tired of people who thinks they know better while they never experienced those atrocities. And even more tired of people who as me lived in that period and are nowaday still brainwashed.
Thank you, for educating me, l had no idea that this was happening to you. The image I had was of my parents going on holiday and having a lovely time, with the welcoming people of Yugoslavia. I am sorry, I was so ignorant of the regime you lived with during those years. M.
Yes. Good riddance. Especially when all the former yugoslav republics are such an example of freedom, prosperity and good life.
Dr.Peterson is correct. When opportunity knocks, open the door.
I tried to buy a ticket but they were sold so fast that they costed at least 300 euro, so i just came to see this man through the window, i would LOVE to have a debate with this amazing man
Yugoslavia was the only country that remained independent with a balanced orientation between west and east. Yugoslavs were allowed to travel outside the country so I would not classify Slovenia (or Yugoslavia) as a country that used to be behind the so called iron curtain.
Oh that clinical psychologist again. :) Dr Peterson your clairvoyance enlights us.
Now, we know the drill here in Slovenia: in few hours there will be some slovenian radical-anarcho-left comments here to provoke some right-wing-fundamentalists to response with the same ignorance to their provocations. That is very bad and it makes me feel sorry for those, who at least try to actually l i s t e n to Peterson what he's got to say. And he speaks the language that is in every sense light years above the typical slovenian political or world-view debate. Look at him this way: he is very, very careful with his words, and he have the arguments for what he is saying. If you have the better argument, scientific-proven one of course, he will actually listen to you - isn't that quite remarkable role for us Slovenians?
I think he really is incredibly careful with his many, many words, to the point that he becomes kindda amorphic and almost impossible to pinpoint exactly what he is saying. Just lots and lots of words about some very basic things (that most people realize, learn, know before adulthood) and lots of words about his train of though that is actually interesting, but doesn't make it right/correct/true. .. I would say that i'm surprised with this huge fascination with him, but I actually am not. he speaks in a way that you can hear what you want to hear (but thats true for most of "hearing", so also nothing new here), but I am surprised that people "buy" it - and what kind of people - where have they grown up? No parents, teachers, relatives, friends, school, books, tv, internet...? Or they, as most people, just like to hear what they already "know", but in a way that sounds very complex and "scientific"?
" right-wing-fundamentalists to response with the same ignorance to their provocations."
For instance? I know the Slovenian political scene quite well, but unfortunatelly (for the democracy itself), I don't know any of those you mentioned. The "radical right" in Slovenia is an artificial concept, invention of the far left mainstream media that declares EVERY democrat (anti-totalitartian) either as nazi-fascist or intolerant primitive so it is easier for the communist regime to maintain its unchallenged throne for 70 years now. In other words: everyone that doesn't buy the shallow and populistic socialist propaganda is considered as a radical right-winger = second class citizen.
Relativism that resonates from your comment is the exact reason for our country being the last standing fortress of unreformed Tito's sovietlike communism in the whole EU - which unfortunatelly doesn't seem to care abot the cancer in it's very center.
@@@gl-yk4ib - YOURS - "but I am surprised that people "buy" it - and what kind of people - where have they grown up?" - I suppose you consider Lefturds as only "people" that don't "buy" Jordan's - "lots and lots of words". Reason for that is simple... Lefturds alone babble "lots and lots of words"... but hardly understand any.
Thats right Marko! You are a nazi shill and a bad, bad man! I am offended.
@@quasinormal ''The "radical right" in Slovenia is an artificial concept''. No it's not. It's a very real concept propagated by myriad of die hard ex communists in the yugoslavia, turned from true communist or in this case, titoist believers, into die hard conservatives, with a raging hardon for anti democratic and anti free speech policies we see in religious shitholes like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan etc... As an example, take Janez Janša, the current president of the Slovenian Democratic Party( democratic only by name, it's a stalinist like cult). Back in Yugoslavia, he was ardent communist, in fact, he was so entrenched in titoist ideology, a lot of his ''comrades'' viewed him as a psychopath with authoritarian tendies. Now he's a condemned criminal, with accusations of corruption during the time of Slovenian Seccession from Jugoslavia via illegal arms trading and Patria case, which is wildly considered to be one of the biggest political scandals in Slovenian history, yet even though all the evidence of his corruption is literally out there, his supporters see him and follow him to the point of godlike addoration, due to his 180° shift from communist to narcisistic christian cuckservative. You're saying that conservatives and right wingers are all portrayed here as fascists, which is false, just because one magazine (you know damn well who i'm talking about here) says you're a fascist it doesn't mean you are. But on the other hand, when far right parties endorse and spread false anti scientific information like nova24tv, or some other freakshow like 24kul and other pro christian sites, you have to ask yourself if maybe there is a grain of truth here. You said the left wants to censor everything and demonizes the right as some kind of nazis, yet the same right wingers are working hard to censor OTHER oppinions and even medical procedures like abbortion, or censoring of LGBT information, spreading church lies and brainwashing people, demonizing groups you don't agree with etc... You want to present our political situation like it's black and white, poor righteous right wingers are being opressed by the left, even though the whole situation is far more complicated, and at the very least, it's really the right wing parties that are holding the reins here in Slovenija. Also, if right wingers are second class citiziens, why are so many of them in power? Just look at what power the paedocul i mean the catholic church has in Slovenia. If what you said was true, they wouldn't have been able to organize and supress gay marrige act and won the referendum against it in 2015. Again, you're lying and you're trying to portrait yourself as a victim, which is quite disturbing. What's more disturbing, is that the slovenian right doesn't move an inch when slovenian poplulation in neighbouring countries is being attacked or presecuted by nationalists from Austria or Italy, in fact, it was those damned liberal lefty hippies who stood up and voiced their partiotic support for slovenian identity. What did the right do? They were quiet, in fact they weren't allowed to say dogshit because they are funded by other right wingers from europe, like hungary. So much for right wingers caring about Slovenian nation and identity.... Not all of them are of course like this, I'm a right winger my self and I hate being lumped togather with these opportunistic fascists under cloak of partiotism.Of course it goues without saying there are many, MANY crazy left wingers to. Fortunately we don't have so many crazy feminists and other SJW creeps like other countries have, but they pale in comparrison with the right here, who actualy have institutionalized powers, unlike those annoying feminist activists. If you're triggered by my comment, get fucked cunt, freedom of speech is not licensed to one side.
This is very worthwhile
So right!
I like his comments on doing good.
I think this is a fair definition of a good person, Environment is better because this person is or was here.
Simply cleaning or organizing your environment makes you a good person. If people you work with, operate at a higher level because you're there, you're a good person at an even higher degree.
Allow for potential of yourself and respect it's power . Self hatred is in hubris if you don't understand yourself very well to begin with, if you acknowledge that , then how can you hate others.
Thanks a lot.
1:16 in he perfectly summarises the problem that labelling strong males as part of the ´Patriachy´, and how it effects men. Beautifully put!
Absolutely a towering Titan of our generation..... Absolute.....
Yugoslavia was not considered to be behind the Iron curtain, since it was not part of the Warsaw pact. Also it was an independent nation and Tito was friendly to NATO and the Warsaw pact whenever it suited his needs.
that doesn't matter to Jordan, guy read his book or two about communism and he "knows it all" :-P
@SLAMO time for americans to realise there is a world and reality beyond their subjective perspective
@Miki Miyazaki nothing douche about it, its just sad... I mean, wait, don't you think there is world beyond your subjective perspective?!?!
***Spoiler alert: There is more than 1 continent on this planet, douchebag!
@Miki Miyazaki are you talking about Peterson? you are confusing me... he is douchey for being an ideologue for sure.
Why is it then said that iron curtain reached from Stettin to Trst? At the beginning Yugoslavia was on the USSR's side until the Tito-Stalin conflict. Nevertheless, Yugoslavia as communist state will always be considered on the West as part of the reds... Even though it tried to be neutral.
Papa.... You came
Lmao
Slovenian people will a l l understand this. Lots of people says, haw strong the impact on their lives have Peterson's lectures, in the terms of quitting bad habits, stop drinking etc. That's awesome. But me - the biggest impact Peterson have made so far on me - is that my articulation of philosophy/world-view/politics/society/"you name it" is fully different than before. I used to think in the left-right polarisation terms. Because that is all what was available here in Slovenia for last decades, Universities taught us to think that way. And of course, all the mainstream and public medias are leaning strongly on the left, so I was reasonable enough, to put myself in opposite viewpoint, like Drago Jančar said (something like that): "In the country, where the left have the absolute power, is being the leftist at least indecently, if not just boring." And now here comes the Peterson. Who totally d e m o l i s h e d that naive Slovenian left-right agenda. It is not anymore to think in the way, that your group (left or right) expect from you. It is your conclusions that you have made based on facts, reading, researching, thinking and seems reasonable to you and thus you can stand for your opinion, based on facts, no matter in which group will be put in. Peterson has shown us that thinking this way i s not only possible, but rather shows how deeply we wanted that type of discussion. People like Peterson - it seems like there are lots of them now, Sam Harris is the excellent example - and it is in z e r o sense no important, if I agree with him, it goes for freedom of speech and freedom of t h i n k i n g. Here in Slovenia I have also one person in mind, which goes that way, that is Andraž Teršek. And some others also shows some good signs to go with him... Just not forget the words "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Sounds like the right track, someday you'll be able to spell polarization. 'merka! Jokes, good comment. Peterson is very smart, I think he is a bit overconfident and slightly blue pilled (thinks the government is necessary and his theory on the balance between creative and orderly personalities extends to the amorphous political right and left. I believe in anarchism with borders, something I'm sure peterson and many others would scold as naive)
I appreciate the man a lot, but think he has a ceiling of understanding that only psychedelics or a dramatic event could change.
I acknowledge I could be wrong. But think I have formed my idea's on solid ground.
Great lecture but, he makes a mistake, generalising about Yugoslavia being behind the Iron Curtain. Yugoslavia was mainly a neutral state belonging neither to Nato or the Warsaw Pact. And the state had it's own specific brand of socialism, far better that the one in the Soviet Union or China.
@UCtOGGBEQsy2R1U-wozWOo6Q Sorry, but this is a historic fact, so look it up and read it. Your emotional response is primitive and simplistic, and is far from the objective side of the matter. To spit on Yugoslavia is to spit on all the states that made it. Btw I'm macedonian and not trying to promote the yugo-socialism. Also I love what is the ultimate point of the claim that Peterson makes, but he is wrong none the less.
A comment below explains Winston Churchill included Slovenia (behind Trieste) as being behind the Iron Curtain.
So if anyone wants to chastise anyone, blame Churchill. The Western media focused, or reported on Western politicians, arguably Peterson's source.
www.history.com/this-day-in-history/churchill-delivers-iron-curtain-speech
Winston Churchill 1946 “From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the continent.” Your problem if you don't like facts, because they hurt your feelings
@@bozicekbozicek5682 Yugoslavia was never part of the Warsaw Pact, therefore not behind the curtain politically! Regardless of Churchill's geographical determinant.
simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Curtain
simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact
@@blagojcilakov2630 No, my friend, he was not wrong, no matter how some might try to twist the truth. Churchill invented the term 'Iron Curtain' so he would know what he was talking about, now wouldn't he? Yes, of course, it wasn't as bad as the CCCP or Maoist China - if you are talking about the 1950ies and later, after Yugoslavia had been kicked out of the Comintern, but before that, it was every bit as bad or even worse. Just come to Slovenia and see for yourself, it's like walking on crips for all the identified and unidentified mass graves, even now. But Družina, thanks for posting. Great speech of JBP's!
I'm so glad to see Dr. Peterson gaining real international recognition.
Great answer to the question on communist era nostalgia. The comparison with the people of Israel once they got out of Egypt. Nostalgia after ignorance. Finding your way/aim once out of dictatorial rule. Its hard to find your way after you have been told what to do for such a long time. Great answer!
Not exactly ignorance when a lot of people actually lived better in Yugoslavia than they do now, especially with our neoliberal govermnent trying to privatize air and making pensions for old people miserable as fuck. This Peterson is a hack fraud who doesn't even know Yugoslavia was not behind the Iron Curtain.
I wish I would have known about this talk. I would have loved to have come.
Is he ever gonna visit Poland? Anybody knows?
@anny791 Is there a source for that,did he mention coming to Eastern Europe?Thx
@anny791 Thank you again.
Winston Churchill's "Sinews of Peace" address of 5 March 1946, at Westminster College, used the term "iron curtain" in the context of Soviet-dominated Eastern Europe:
From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic an iron curtain has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Central and Eastern Europe. Warsaw, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Belgrade, Bucharest and Sofia; all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Soviet sphere, and all are subject, in one form or another, not only to Soviet influence but to a very high and in some cases increasing measure of control from Moscow.
Jordan you are also very welcomed in Serbia!
If no one has suggested the title of "The Modern Socrates" by now... I'd be rather surprised, but also, I'd be happy that I commented tonight.
If that's not a good enough title, below are some others that come to mind:
- My philosophical spirit animal
- The world's teacher for how to think
- The genuine exemplar of care for human beings
- A candidate for messianic legendhood
- An Archetypal Hero seeking out Chaos to create something good by ameliorating malevolence
- An intellectual sharp shooter
- A light
I should stop before I say Jesus reincarnate...
Žižek vs. Peterson… I love them both...
Powerful.
"Back to the high seas gentlemen, out on the rolling waves where there are new continents to conquer, and new things to overcome, and if you think that all the frontiers are gone then you're not looking, cause theirs frontiers everywhere and that's where you should be, working diligently to expand the domain of habitable order into the chaos of potential" 1:15:22
How I want to see debate between Zizek and Peterson.
Zizek is incoherent nonsense.
@@nevenrogic7606 rational argument? He'll just dismiss it as unsatiated libido. Only pretentious psudeo intellectuals find this ridiculous man valuable in making them feel smart and superior, he has not said even once sentence worth the read in his entire career.
@@nevenrogic7606 I don't need to waste my time reading the cocaine fueled ramblings of this charlatan to realize he's an idiot, I once tried to read a book by his that perplexed, or something to that effect in the title, my oh mine was I amused by the stupidity of those pretending this moron is a philosopher. Leftist stupidity is at its most remarkable when it's accompanied by a dose of pretentiousness.
One of the many reasons that the left is losing ground all over the place is because you have no clarity of thought, which is incredibly difficult to feint when you're in opposituion with reality itself.
Now go on, bring one meaningful or useful thing this clown has contributed to the realm of philosophy or human thought. I'll wait.
@@nevenrogic7606 Typical leftist, empty hands and empty heads. Run along now.
II think every educated person would like to see Žižek publically dismanteled, the same as all the communist so called intelectuals who never in their lives accept an open public debate, because they all know their whole theory is based on shallow platitudes that only desperate proletarians buy.
It is quite funny that when JBP speaks in the Western Europe there are protests and silly interviews etc. and when he speaks to the people of Central and Eastern Europe, pretty much everyone is basically "Yep, that makes sense".
No they just know he's a zionist shill so they don't make a scene. 😒
Aaaa.... Gremo brati komentarje. Gotovo bodo zelo informativni...
Res nima smisla. Stevilo negativnih komentarjev je vedno neproporcionalno z dejanskim mnenjem vecine.
Živijo Družina! Še 1x hvala za dogodek in res hitro objavljen posnetek! Saj boste objavili tudi slovenske podnapise, kajne?
I don't understand. Did he not go there to debate with Zizek? Where is he?
Getting instructions from his Zionist paylords. 😎
Some good questions there btw.
I was the one who asked the Žižek vs. Paterson question. :) So when it comes down to that in Ljubljana, please reserve a free front seat ticket for me. :P
You hit the spot. Pogodio si metu.
Zizek don't have a chance against Peterson's famous "it depends what you mean by" tactic 😂.
@@selvermaric4378 That is not problem. All Jordan has to do is ask him what the difference between private property and personal property is, and who decides the specific cases, and Žižek will give plenty of "it depends on what you mean by X". He rarely goes two sentences without contradicting himself.
@@konberner170 You're right, I suppose it's just characteristic of a man in situation where he tries to defend his worldview.
@@selvermaric4378 “The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name.” ― Confucius Many disputes come down to semantics. Marxism largely boils down to "Hierarchies are bad, so let's set one up and claim we didn't". Jordan addresses hierarchies in details, and until Marxists can explain how humans can proceed without hierarchy, they have yet to start proving their point. Hierarchies, like anything, can have problems, but their existence cannot be said to be a problem while they have a useful/collaborative form. Most energy in most Marxists' argument is spent on avoiding this central point instead of addressing it. If a commissar has to decide what is and isn't mine, I can't see how capitalism, where the consumer at least makes _some_ choices, can be seen as any worse.
Nice to see Dr.Peterson in former Yugoslavia country,hope he will visit some of other ones also.
which square and sculpture is he referencing at the start of his talk?
Questions:
48:45 "How to talk to people about meaningful things but to people that do not care about freedom and truth / How to deal with radical left ideology?"
1:01:11 "How should we as young people shape the society so that old communist regime would be recognized as bad / How do you comment nostalgia after communism in ex communist countries?
1:13:07 "What's your opinion on Slavoj Zizek and would you debate him?" / "Role of men in 21st century"
Hoping he comes to Zagreb :I
If our media would at least tell a date for his event, there would be at least few 10k people at some bigger place. Im glad I look somewhere else than just our mainstream, which is totally biased and got to this event and meet him in person :) . The event was organized by our christian institution, im glad it promotes critical thinking and great thinkers.
Since most of you argue about iron curtain proves you didnt understand anything else he was saying.
First thing he said was wrong: Yugoslavia was never behind Iron curtain. I really wish he could do his history research better.
@anny791 Okej, if you want technicalities, NATO was formed in 1949, and Warsaw Pact in 1955, so technically, he is not right. :) But seriously now, countries behind Iron Curtain were those were there was Soviet occupying force after WW2. Red Army didn't stay in Yugoslavia after WW2, but quickly withdrew after Allied defeat of Nazis.
It doesn't matter if Slovenia was (and how much was it) or was not behind Iron curtain. What matters is, that Slovenia is democratic and has free market economy for 30 years now. So someones failures and frustrations in life are not the fault of Communism anymore, its just their own. And the basic difference between Žižek and Peterson? Well, Slavoj is a funny and humorous guy, his lectures certainly don't have the spirit of funeral, like JP's had (with silence and flower arrangements).
I browsed through the video quickly just to see (without sound) what it looked like. I caught him doing that fun wiggly-fingers thing again - watch and see.
i love it :)
What is name of squares that he was speaking????
at 1.03.35 one of many striking spots in this speech
Žižek versus Peterson
Slobber 💦 versus Lobster 🦞
I think Žižek already called him a neo-nazi. He doesn’t like his interpretation of neo-marxism. I wonder why!? 🤔
Sniff
anny791 - Bring a poncho 💦
in the socialist revolution Zizek would not be around long, the new Stalin/Mao would have him
Shift -Z - Ice pick to the back of the head.
Blood and spittle everywhere.
Great 👍🏻 BRAVO DEŽELA 👌🏻
So maybe it comes down to a fight between those for a sense of belonging. ..didn't Laszlo say this was highest form?...and if so we understand the polarity now...because those that feel they are evil want to bring those into their world...and the opposite of those that are good
I love all the Marxist and post-Modernist apologetics that are performing some entertaining mental gymnastics to try and discredit Dr. Peterson.
"But... but... Yugoslavia wasn't part of the Iron Curtain!!! (debatable at best) Ha! Ha! Ha! I got you Peterson, hee! hee!"
We know that complex thought is a foreign concept for you anti-Peterson zealots and you have attention spans that max out at 3 seconds, but TRY to put some into it ;)
Try again.
yeah so was Cuba behind the Iron Curtain? certainly Tito was as independent as Castro, and also just as Brutal.
Very meaningful
What does he mean by using agony as an aesthetic?