How there are only 7 comments here at the moment is mind blowing to me. Thanks for speaking about this. It happens too much and everywhere. I'm not a Kannakuk survivor but the worst of the worst happened to me at Camp Cherith - currently called Camp Cedarbrook of the Adirondacks. There is currently a CVA case in NY against them. It would show up nowhere if a parent did a google search before sending kids... unless they know how to search NY legal records, which doesn't ALWAYS come up in google. I'm glad there are videos like this to at least broach the topic amongst the Christian community 😕
My last comment - from someone who grew up in Branson and knew Joe White a bit better than others. Kanakuk will never let the victims out of their NDAs - while knowing that if Kanakuk wanted to they could. Blame it on their insurance company? It’s truly disgusting. And all this time for the future - hundreds and thousands of kids still attend Kanakuk every year - and - the worst part - many parents just don’t care about what happened. It is truly disgusting.
I very much enjoyed listening to this. Great work by Nancy and David-French; they've performed a public service and done something unambiguously good. I must say the tortured logic used by Mr. Chang to ascribe the good news of Nancy's investigation to god moving her, but completely ignoring god's complicity in making/letting the abuse happen in his name is astounding. When literally everything good that happens is because of god, but all evil is the result of human action the inevitable result is some people saying, "well, we're all sinners so no big deal if I sin." It is a terrible, terrible dynamic and at least partially responsible for all these sexual abuse scandals at religious institutions. If, as Mr. Chang says, good doesn't stay on the sideline, why did he do so for years as his children were abused and had their lives shattered? The part at the end where he says the only reason people do the right thing is because god is moving within them is frightening. BTW David- yes, you should be trying to cancel Kanakuk. It should stop existing as an institution.
And Nancy you missed something at the end. Joe White is as big/ if not bigger than Joel Olseen in the hearts of followers. There is literally nothing that Joe could do that would change the hearts of those who trust him with their kids.
And I just have to say this - that Joe White is bored as a sort of savior within his community. His teachings seem to be more important than the rape. You will see this everywhere - from the parents not pressing and settling with some money (or free tuition or iPads) and just being ok with ndas. It’s because regardless of what happened, many of them view Joe and his Kamps (cleaver use of words) as very important and honestly more important then the well being of their children. That sound terrible - but it has to be the takeaway from this. I appreciate the comments about the institution becoming more important than God (or more appropriately his expectations).
Great work Nancy!
How there are only 7 comments here at the moment is mind blowing to me. Thanks for speaking about this. It happens too much and everywhere. I'm not a Kannakuk survivor but the worst of the worst happened to me at Camp Cherith - currently called Camp Cedarbrook of the Adirondacks. There is currently a CVA case in NY against them. It would show up nowhere if a parent did a google search before sending kids... unless they know how to search NY legal records, which doesn't ALWAYS come up in google. I'm glad there are videos like this to at least broach the topic amongst the Christian community 😕
My last comment - from someone who grew up in Branson and knew Joe White a bit better than others. Kanakuk will never let the victims out of their NDAs - while knowing that if Kanakuk wanted to they could. Blame it on their insurance company? It’s truly disgusting. And all this time for the future - hundreds and thousands of kids still attend Kanakuk every year - and - the worst part - many parents just don’t care about what happened. It is truly disgusting.
I recall a video of Joe White carrying the cross in front of a thousand parents and kids. I remember how they reacted and cheered at the end.
Do you feel he exemplifies Jesus Christ in his personal life?
I very much enjoyed listening to this. Great work by Nancy and David-French; they've performed a public service and done something unambiguously good. I must say the tortured logic used by Mr. Chang to ascribe the good news of Nancy's investigation to god moving her, but completely ignoring god's complicity in making/letting the abuse happen in his name is astounding. When literally everything good that happens is because of god, but all evil is the result of human action the inevitable result is some people saying, "well, we're all sinners so no big deal if I sin." It is a terrible, terrible dynamic and at least partially responsible for all these sexual abuse scandals at religious institutions.
If, as Mr. Chang says, good doesn't stay on the sideline, why did he do so for years as his children were abused and had their lives shattered? The part at the end where he says the only reason people do the right thing is because god is moving within them is frightening.
BTW David- yes, you should be trying to cancel Kanakuk. It should stop existing as an institution.
And Nancy you missed something at the end. Joe White is as big/ if not bigger than Joel Olseen in the hearts of followers. There is literally nothing that Joe could do that would change the hearts of those who trust him with their kids.
And I just have to say this - that Joe White is bored as a sort of savior within his community. His teachings seem to be more important than the rape. You will see this everywhere - from the parents not pressing and settling with some money (or free tuition or iPads) and just being ok with ndas. It’s because regardless of what happened, many of them view Joe and his Kamps (cleaver use of words) as very important and honestly more important then the well being of their children. That sound terrible - but it has to be the takeaway from this. I appreciate the comments about the institution becoming more important than God (or more appropriately his expectations).