I agree with you Captain Cabinetz. Emotions are not black and white, they are complex, You can feel atracted to someones power but it does not mean You don't care about other qualities, not to mention that power is not only a phisical ability but also emotional, because strong personality also metters, and I think this is why Camellya follows Rover. Ambitions drive people to get stronger and mc is very ambitious character.
Agree. I feel that too many people have a "coomer" brain problem...I also have sometime a feeling that these people have never read a book and are completely illiterate... Its like they dont understand relations anymore... Camellya is not really in love with Rover, but rather obsessed... with his power. Just like SK does not "love" Rover, but its rather "a relationship between master and loyal dog" The only character that might be showing actually affection for Rover is Yangyang... But her story is non-existential.
I played in CN voice and at here 42:00 Camellya's cries can be heard from beyond the door, the voice acting was amazing and so convincing as a painful struggle.
Camelyya's basically a parasite, clinging to the most powerful individual, learning and growing until she inevitably grows enough to Overclock. All flowers bloom, after a flower blooms, they die, fulfilling their life's purpose and for someone who lives by nature, that's something she accepts as a part of life. Her attachment to Rover isn't romantic at all in my opinion, or at least it wasn't. Like how bees are attracted to pollen, how lions seek gazelles, she wants you in a manner an animal wants to perform its natural instinct. Without Rover, she's an animal trapped in a zoo, with no release for her instincts, to showcase her power.
i can agree on that but after rover saved her in matrix and they return start to make photos sit together in the dawn of the sun + last un voiced dialouge her behaviour changed and find out these feelings what flora have for him power is what he start see in us rovers but later she start to develop some feelings
I enjoyed this one. My only issue with the story is not everything was revealed, like how she got her forte or before that. But i do realize kuro's pattern, they seem to be setting up some of these for later.
yeah I believe so, we still don't know why they are bound by fate, and the reason might be deeper than what we know. I believe that before she joined BS, she already meet rover a few times and rover knows about her, it always the same case, she lost her memories, and somehow found rover whatever the path she took. She always said that she think she heard rover name before in every past timeline. It like someone's setup to hunt rover or something
Her Profile info said something about her being created by an organization centuries before the lament for the sole purpose of hunting down the Rover. In other words, she might be an artificial Resonator.
I think the delivery is clearly better in wuwa now but I still prefer HSR's writing because for me there TOO much fan service/ gonner line (in camellya's quest for exemple
I have a theory that, since there are many different timeline in one go...Rover wants to reset his/her memory because there is a timeline where he/she make a mistake that could ruin other timeline. Rover could be a Female/Male version in another timeline as well. Also if Kuro wants to add a feature where we could change the Rover's gender, that would make this theory a bit make sense.
I've read Danmachi, and it's literally not as bad as Wuwa's story in recent patches. Idk about the anime though (read the novels). Somehow none of the characters pander this badly in that series. Wuwa is really just kinda fucking bad at writing dialogue for this stuff. So much repetition, and it feels like they have to pander every chance they get, as if that's the first go to for the writers whenever they think "what could they do next?".
2:30 doing a quest about a well known goon character since 1.0 and labeling the whole game as goonbait is wild. Look at ZZZ you'll see the real goonbait, they don't even spare children lmao.
I am starting to feel scared about future patches 'cause if we keep getting happy stories like this one... This is KURO GAMES demmet, as a PGR player, this means DEPRESSION ARCS will start in 2.0
Don't get dissuaded from voicing your honest opinions. But keep it within the realms of constructive criticism and avoid being too rethorical like that prior review. Lol. As for my thought, I would've loved if they dove deeper to her character. The only thing we learned is how camellya lived in petalfall, overclocked and was saved by rover then got attached to the rover due to Rover's power. As well as the fact that in every timeline, we're sort of dedtined to meet due to camellya's instinct and nature. I would've wanted to learn more what made her a hedonistic psycho. I feel like if they're gonna make a part 2 quest, this one needs it the most. I still enjoyed it if I take it for what it is. But I wanted more. But man the visuals and the music is perfect. Also needs some eork on the voice acting on certain scenes but I suppose the VA didn't have the complete context (that moment where Camellya shouted as shown by the animation but her voice didn't) lol.
I like you have separated table for ranking because I can generally agree with you with a lot of stuff while disagreeing a bit there, but it's very valid that points you make it out!
TBF Shorekeeper would have been better if they cut the final act where you save her (add it in during a later patch 2 or 3 main story quests down the line) and instead gave us an extra 1-1.5 hrs actually getting to know her and why she's so important to the Black Shores/Past Rover. Not knowing Shorekeeper that well, and also rescuing her 5 minutes after her sacrifice, really undercuts any impact it has.
is this a tool that can use if they decided to do collab with other ip?... they can keep the wuwa story separated by using 'jump to another timeline' or 'jump to another universe' as a filler patch🤔🤔
both this story and the 1.4 event story really feels like a filler patch (still backlash from rewriting the story, character interactions and lore) but even then i'd still say it's good purely because of presentation and the improvement of voice acting. like i watched 2 anime episodes what im kinda weirded out is that from the korean wuwa youtube, the story is actually well liked. and i also heard that they are having success on korea. and on my experience, gachas liked by korean gacha people are mostly pure harem fan service and cutesy stuffs. BA, priconne, illusion connect, maybe echocalypse as well. ..so i hope we dont go full 95% female characters on this game
I don't agree on the dialogue part. I feel like Camellya's side was written well. People say "read a book", you can't compare the book to a VN, nor would I want it in the game, book has no visuals, so they have to describe every detail for 3 paragraphs so you can know what's going on, no need for that in the VN. People tend to forget that 90% of movies and books is a literal slop they've never heard about. Next time you compare it to "Piece of media" you should drop some examples so people know what you're comparing it to. I'd still give this story around a 6-7 though, just because I'm tired of the rover simp dynamic.
Idk man Camellyas writing is literally like a teen fanfiction and I’ll stand by this point. There’s little depth in her actual writing despite the fact they try and build more complex themes around it and they don’t particularly mesh. Though I know people will disagree with me because lol Camellya horny = good
@@captaincabinetz I like her character writing! Though I agree with the facts that there are stuff lacking to make us actually understand Camellya. This companion quest is more about her current self and I felt rushed to a certain extent because it ended so fun. Could've been more justifiable to identify her character more and her interactions with Rover. That's what I feel after properly analyzing it. I have no problems on their thing, but I wish they could've showed more. I love Camellya's story though!
@@kamamara2567 Idc about characters falling in love. I care about it being written well, and the dialogue and its repetition are just way too pandering for that. "Hey, did you know that you're my seed? You're my seed, btw. My everything. We meet in every dimension, btw. Do you love me yet, player?" *cut to photo session scene after which Camellya + Rover watch the sunset* - And then somehow people get out of this that this is just about power as well? Give me a break.
Thanks for trying to give a fair opinion. Its kinda sad rn that its popular to shit on the whole plot 'cause its gathering wives'. The cami story is legit pretty good, but once people pick on one point to pick on before they complete the story- there's just no point afterwards cause there's already a bias against the story formed. Its important to open yourself up to the story if you wanna enjoy it, and its really a subjective experience (many SK lovers will likely seethe over Cami kek) I think the real issue here is that we got one patch after another with a similar formula, I'm all up for this formula when its done sparingly to add variety but do try a different one for the next patch. Nice vid as always!
for me i didn't think it was the worst quest but i really was not a fan. i was very bored while going through it and camellya just personally doesn't interest me at all but i guess for someone who likes camellya they would obviously like the quest more.
i'll be honest...i kind of still confused on the alternate timeline part, are those timeline real or just projection from the matrix like some kind of 'what if' scenario?...i understand that rover met camellya in the village and took her in to blackshores, and the reason she seal her memories because she dont like to be separated from rover...but when the story goes to the alternate timeline part i got confused....it would be kind of you all if you helps me understand :)
Alternate timelines are not the real ones (apart from one) They are things and scenarios that COULD have happened to Camellya - but in all of them, Rover is her saviour.
1:52:08 they really need a better story board director. Other gachas, especially ones where the game isnt intensive in visuals, music, and gameplay have it easy and have no excuse to make a mid story. But for WuWa, story is harder to do because their main priority is 100% gameplay; combat, visual, anything you see and play with that isnt related to story. Hopefully 2.0 is alot better, especially than 1.0 Comparing it to general media is setting it as a high standard for sure, but yeah. Gacha games really love to leave us hanging at the end
@@kamamara2567yeah lol, but ik kuro'll get better. They just needa sort themselves out, cuz theyve made good stories in PGR but yeah its alot easier when its a visual novel
@@jordanfn1793 who mentioned genshin`? aint no body gives a shit about that pile of garbage. go back and enjoy ur slop in the cornor were u came from WAJAJA
The past Camellya is now Camellya. She literally said it herself. Her instinct is herself. You focus on other stuff not Camellya. The entire plot show how she is. The other timeline also contribute to her character. This is fun, I like watching you. Our opinion is wildly different. Interesting to see others perspective.
Chat early on giving 8-10 out of 10 is crazy for this story ngl. Lol I'd give it 6/10 maybe on a good day. X.x I agree that the dialogue might be worst part about it. I'd actually give that specifically a 3/10. I really can't stand it. It's so prepubescent. Also, rewatching this, I just realized Beatrice might've been my favorite character in this companion quest. Fml.
Ah I see, you just want the protag to be the center of attention and the gary sue. thats why you whine about Star Rails engaging story and call this shit a master piece lol
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I agree with you Captain Cabinetz. Emotions are not black and white, they are complex, You can feel atracted to someones power but it does not mean You don't care about other qualities, not to mention that power is not only a phisical ability but also emotional, because strong personality also metters, and I think this is why Camellya follows Rover. Ambitions drive people to get stronger and mc is very ambitious character.
Agree. I feel that too many people have a "coomer" brain problem...I also have sometime a feeling that these people have never read a book and are completely illiterate... Its like they dont understand relations anymore...
Camellya is not really in love with Rover, but rather obsessed... with his power.
Just like SK does not "love" Rover, but its rather "a relationship between master and loyal dog"
The only character that might be showing actually affection for Rover is Yangyang... But her story is non-existential.
I played in CN voice and at here 42:00 Camellya's cries can be heard from beyond the door, the voice acting was amazing and so convincing as a painful struggle.
What's this? A fellow Male Rover player?
One of us rare kind!
I am sad Cap missed Camellya pouting face
Camelyya's basically a parasite, clinging to the most powerful individual, learning and growing until she inevitably grows enough to Overclock. All flowers bloom, after a flower blooms, they die, fulfilling their life's purpose and for someone who lives by nature, that's something she accepts as a part of life. Her attachment to Rover isn't romantic at all in my opinion, or at least it wasn't. Like how bees are attracted to pollen, how lions seek gazelles, she wants you in a manner an animal wants to perform its natural instinct. Without Rover, she's an animal trapped in a zoo, with no release for her instincts, to showcase her power.
i can agree on that but after rover saved her in matrix and they return start to make photos sit together in the dawn of the sun + last un voiced dialouge her behaviour changed and find out these feelings what flora have for him power is what he start see in us rovers but later she start to develop some feelings
Neat. Never thought of that analogy
I enjoyed this one. My only issue with the story is not everything was revealed, like how she got her forte or before that. But i do realize kuro's pattern, they seem to be setting up some of these for later.
yeah I believe so, we still don't know why they are bound by fate, and the reason might be deeper than what we know. I believe that before she joined BS, she already meet rover a few times and rover knows about her, it always the same case, she lost her memories, and somehow found rover whatever the path she took. She always said that she think she heard rover name before in every past timeline. It like someone's setup to hunt rover or something
Her Profile info said something about her being created by an organization centuries before the lament for the sole purpose of hunting down the Rover. In other words, she might be an artificial Resonator.
Yeah I think at this point Wuwa's story currently is better than HSR. I play both games, but these are kinda the facts here
Yea after the stup1d monkey ninja quest im fk done with hsr story
The unskippable yapping in HSR is insane
I think the delivery is clearly better in wuwa now but I still prefer HSR's writing because for me there TOO much fan service/ gonner line (in camellya's quest for exemple
Penacony Is more iconic than the entire of wuwa story for now
HSR 2.0-2.2 peak - archeron reveal, robin sunday boss ending super PEAK
2.3 mid filler firefly goon fest
2.4-2.6 borefest filler patch specially the fkn monkey brainrot😴😴
i love the ending so much
Camelya's story is generally solid. I would give it a 7.5/10
I really love hear en VA and the story was good hoping they start making part 2 would be nice
You know what? You can always meet Camellya back at the same spot at 00:00 till 6:59am ❤️❤️❤️
this video exorcised my turbo granny
Well the story is good 😊
I have a theory that, since there are many different timeline in one go...Rover wants to reset his/her memory because there is a timeline where he/she make a mistake that could ruin other timeline. Rover could be a Female/Male version in another timeline as well.
Also if Kuro wants to add a feature where we could change the Rover's gender, that would make this theory a bit make sense.
we're back again on "Is It Wrong to Pick Up Girls in Solaris-3 : Blackshore Arc".
I've read Danmachi, and it's literally not as bad as Wuwa's story in recent patches. Idk about the anime though (read the novels). Somehow none of the characters pander this badly in that series. Wuwa is really just kinda fucking bad at writing dialogue for this stuff. So much repetition, and it feels like they have to pander every chance they get, as if that's the first go to for the writers whenever they think "what could they do next?".
@@Ew-wth And... who asked?
2:30 doing a quest about a well known goon character since 1.0 and labeling the whole game as goonbait is wild.
Look at ZZZ you'll see the real goonbait, they don't even spare children lmao.
ZZZ is goonbait and pure undistilled GenZ brainrot aesthetic. So glad i didn't stay long in that game.
I’m being facetious when I say this stuff, just some banter.
People take it too seriously and should lighten up a little
your take was really fair .
This girl does *not* understand the definition of “personal space” 😅
I am starting to feel scared about future patches 'cause if we keep getting happy stories like this one...
This is KURO GAMES demmet, as a PGR player, this means DEPRESSION ARCS will start in 2.0
Don't get dissuaded from voicing your honest opinions. But keep it within the realms of constructive criticism and avoid being too rethorical like that prior review. Lol.
As for my thought, I would've loved if they dove deeper to her character. The only thing we learned is how camellya lived in petalfall, overclocked and was saved by rover then got attached to the rover due to Rover's power. As well as the fact that in every timeline, we're sort of dedtined to meet due to camellya's instinct and nature.
I would've wanted to learn more what made her a hedonistic psycho. I feel like if they're gonna make a part 2 quest, this one needs it the most.
I still enjoyed it if I take it for what it is. But I wanted more.
But man the visuals and the music is perfect. Also needs some eork on the voice acting on certain scenes but I suppose the VA didn't have the complete context (that moment where Camellya shouted as shown by the animation but her voice didn't) lol.
It was much better than 1.3 story lets be real here guys lol
If you include Encore's companion quest into "1.3" then absolutely not.
I like you have separated table for ranking because I can generally agree with you with a lot of stuff while disagreeing a bit there, but it's very valid that points you make it out!
Tbh atleast she liked this more than the shorekeeper story
TBF Shorekeeper would have been better if they cut the final act where you save her (add it in during a later patch 2 or 3 main story quests down the line) and instead gave us an extra 1-1.5 hrs actually getting to know her and why she's so important to the Black Shores/Past Rover. Not knowing Shorekeeper that well, and also rescuing her 5 minutes after her sacrifice, really undercuts any impact it has.
1:36:33 yes. and there is no way anyone can change my mind.
Wuwa's story has been high quality peak. Camelya is an amazing char
is this a tool that can use if they decided to do collab with other ip?... they can keep the wuwa story separated by using 'jump to another timeline' or 'jump to another universe' as a filler patch🤔🤔
Like PGR?
Miss opportunity to made Camellya overclock boss fight than handholding and magically Overclocking got cured🤷
Well its a companion quest
both this story and the 1.4 event story really feels like a filler patch (still backlash from rewriting the story, character interactions and lore)
but even then i'd still say it's good purely because of presentation and the improvement of voice acting. like i watched 2 anime episodes
what im kinda weirded out is that from the korean wuwa youtube, the story is actually well liked. and i also heard that they are having success on korea. and on my experience, gachas liked by korean gacha people are mostly pure harem fan service and cutesy stuffs.
BA, priconne, illusion connect, maybe echocalypse as well.
..so i hope we dont go full 95% female characters on this game
I don't agree on the dialogue part. I feel like Camellya's side was written well. People say "read a book", you can't compare the book to a VN, nor would I want it in the game, book has no visuals, so they have to describe every detail for 3 paragraphs so you can know what's going on, no need for that in the VN.
People tend to forget that 90% of movies and books is a literal slop they've never heard about. Next time you compare it to "Piece of media" you should drop some examples so people know what you're comparing it to.
I'd still give this story around a 6-7 though, just because I'm tired of the rover simp dynamic.
Idk man Camellyas writing is literally like a teen fanfiction and I’ll stand by this point.
There’s little depth in her actual writing despite the fact they try and build more complex themes around it and they don’t particularly mesh.
Though I know people will disagree with me because lol Camellya horny = good
@@captaincabinetz I like her character writing! Though I agree with the facts that there are stuff lacking to make us actually understand Camellya. This companion quest is more about her current self and I felt rushed to a certain extent because it ended so fun. Could've been more justifiable to identify her character more and her interactions with Rover. That's what I feel after properly analyzing it. I have no problems on their thing, but I wish they could've showed more. I love Camellya's story though!
Lil bro crying over characters in love with the MC in a gacha game will always be hilarious 🤣
@@kamamara2567 Idc about characters falling in love. I care about it being written well, and the dialogue and its repetition are just way too pandering for that.
"Hey, did you know that you're my seed? You're my seed, btw. My everything. We meet in every dimension, btw. Do you love me yet, player?" *cut to photo session scene after which Camellya + Rover watch the sunset* - And then somehow people get out of this that this is just about power as well? Give me a break.
@@Ew-wth Are you going to cry lil bro 🍼?
I agree on the dialog, I don't understand most of the dialog, mostly from Camellya, like can u say something normal...
Wonder what could have happened if they didn't listened so much of the echo chamber of cbt1? I bet we could have had a way better story
I missed the stream, but here to catch up with captain yet again.
Thanks for trying to give a fair opinion. Its kinda sad rn that its popular to shit on the whole plot 'cause its gathering wives'. The cami story is legit pretty good, but once people pick on one point to pick on before they complete the story- there's just no point afterwards cause there's already a bias against the story formed. Its important to open yourself up to the story if you wanna enjoy it, and its really a subjective experience (many SK lovers will likely seethe over Cami kek) I think the real issue here is that we got one patch after another with a similar formula, I'm all up for this formula when its done sparingly to add variety but do try a different one for the next patch. Nice vid as always!
i call beatrice as beat rice
waiting for her weapon 🔪 45pity shyts
for me i didn't think it was the worst quest but i really was not a fan. i was very bored while going through it and camellya just personally doesn't interest me at all but i guess for someone who likes camellya they would obviously like the quest more.
Better not be a damn hoyobot. What makes this quest the worst? You got a lot of explaining to do
@PonderMINGY brother when did i say it was the worst? i legit said and i quote "i didn't think it was the worst" learn to read
@@lllock calm down hoyobot
@@PonderMINGY grow up
@@lllock no u
i'll be honest...i kind of still confused on the alternate timeline part, are those timeline real or just projection from the matrix like some kind of 'what if' scenario?...i understand that rover met camellya in the village and took her in to blackshores, and the reason she seal her memories because she dont like to be separated from rover...but when the story goes to the alternate timeline part i got confused....it would be kind of you all if you helps me understand :)
Alternate timelines are not the real ones (apart from one)
They are things and scenarios that COULD have happened to Camellya - but in all of them, Rover is her saviour.
@captaincabinetz ahhh i see... Now i understand... Thank you for the explanation captain :)
(even if its just an "okay")
Bro i was waiting for you to rate pacing and you didn't do it 😭😭
i'm waiting for youe reaction on cat bulter even on xavier, rafayel,zayneee
I’ve just been so busy with other gachas! Next week :)
There are many love language in the world.
1:52:08 they really need a better story board director.
Other gachas, especially ones where the game isnt intensive in visuals, music, and gameplay have it easy and have no excuse to make a mid story.
But for WuWa, story is harder to do because their main priority is 100% gameplay; combat, visual, anything you see and play with that isnt related to story.
Hopefully 2.0 is alot better, especially than 1.0
Comparing it to general media is setting it as a high standard for sure, but yeah. Gacha games really love to leave us hanging at the end
Tbf most gacha’s have mid story telling just look at Genshin, HSR, ZZZ, etc 😭
@@kamamara2567yeah lol, but ik kuro'll get better. They just needa sort themselves out, cuz theyve made good stories in PGR
but yeah its alot easier when its a visual novel
Premium fan service at it's finest
this was the BEST story in any gacha evere. so fucking peak
Stop the cap genshin better
@@jordanfn1793 incorrect
Also nice bait, which walmart did you buy it from.
@@jordanfn1793 who mentioned genshin`? aint no body gives a shit about that pile of garbage. go back and enjoy ur slop in the cornor were u came from WAJAJA
@@jordanfn1793 Big corpo shill detected.
How does it feel that Hoyo doesnt care about you, or your opinions?
@@jordanfn1793 joke of the year😂
pineapple 🍍🍍
The past Camellya is now Camellya. She literally said it herself. Her instinct is herself. You focus on other stuff not Camellya. The entire plot show how she is. The other timeline also contribute to her character.
This is fun, I like watching you. Our opinion is wildly different. Interesting to see others perspective.
Chat early on giving 8-10 out of 10 is crazy for this story ngl. Lol I'd give it 6/10 maybe on a good day. X.x I agree that the dialogue might be worst part about it. I'd actually give that specifically a 3/10. I really can't stand it. It's so prepubescent.
Also, rewatching this, I just realized Beatrice might've been my favorite character in this companion quest. Fml.
Ah I see, you just want the protag to be the center of attention and the gary sue.
thats why you whine about Star Rails engaging story and call this shit a master piece lol
star rail has an engaging story? aight
These pathetic hoyobots are wild lmao
The latest story with Rappa was terrible and annoying especially those damn Monkeys
Get out Hoyoshill, nobody wants you here, sorry for the protagonist being a PROTAGONIST looool
Well you would want the PROTAGONIST to be the center of the story cause they're the bloody protagonist