Fun fact: Although the scene shows it as some "barbarism" from Maximilian that he doesn't eat with fork, the truth is that at this time in Europe, fork was not common in courts outside Italy. From Italy, it started to spread to Southern Europe first. In Portugal, Beatrice of Viseu, Manuel I's mother is the first known person to use it around 1450, then it spread to Spain from Portugal. Then to France, and only then to the northern parts of Europe, in the 16th century.
Even in the highly fictionalized and non-historical series 'Reign' this is show as a "cultural shift". When the French Court under instructions from Catherine de' Medici, is going to use forks for the first time. Just to impress their foreign high ranking visitors from Italy - who are already used to handling a fork during dinner time. ✌🏻😁
This is really neat. I like how the pages have the correct heraldry on their tabards. Also how the nobles are dressed well. However I would say that this is Burgundy. In an age where aristocratic splendor was of prime importance, Burgundy out shone the rest. Too often modern renditions of medieval life shows people in rags, even Dukes and princes. We know a lot about what the nobility was decked out in, thanks to accounting books. The music in this seen is rather disappointing, it sounds like medieval elevator music or background music from a video game. Bring on Heinrich Issac, Dufay, or Ockeghem
My only complaint is that Mary is not wearing a hennin, which she probably did, since she's depicted wearing one in every illumination I have seen of her. And she also has left a tiny crown that was probably used with a hennin. And I don't think Maximiliam would wear a crown to the festivities, he would probably wear a hat, and the crown would be displayed nearby, and he would wear the collar of some chilvraic order, I don't know if he was a member of the Order of the Garter or the Golden Fleece, or any order at all.
Every scene in this series is in a sort of sepia dark. The wedding here was a very colourful event but here the lit candles don't give light and every noble is clad in dark garments. While it is really not difficult to see in paintings and illustrations of those days how a royal wedding feast really looked like.
I’m so happy he showed respect to Maria’s father. He’s right, we all should be proud of our parents. Lili1127 great job. Please stay safe and healthy. We need your videos to take us away from our problems. 😇❤️🙂👏
Mia B. And he is right. Charles le Téméraire as we call him can be often disregarded nowadays but in his native Burgundy we remember him for what he was, the giant of his time, too big for his world and the last prince who was as much a knight.
Well, Charles the Bold was a murdering bar steward… he wiped out entire villages killing men, women and children.. and laid the countryside bare. He was the Saddam Hussain of his time.. seeking war with anyone who crossed him… the Swiss made short work of him ..😏
There's a story about Grand Prince Of Serbia Stefan Nemanja hosting Kaiser Friedrich Barbarosa in Nis, while he was on his way to the Third Crusade. In short, Serbs ate with forks and knives, and Germans ate with their hands.
Well Wiki says: "Bone forks have been found in archaeological sites of the Bronze Age Qijia culture (2400-1900 BC), the Shang dynasty (c. 1600-c. 1050 BC), as well as later Chinese dynasties.[1] " the Roman Empire, bronze and silver forks were used, many surviving examples of which are displayed in museums around Europe.[3][4
Also, given the discussion on tableware, I'm not really sure how accurate those glasses are. They seem to be a classic Venetian production, the dragon-stem glass, made only in the early 16th century (not to mention they're too clear). At this time, forest-glass was used in northern Europe to produce glassware. This type of glass had a lot of impurities (mainly iron) that gave the vessels a greenish colour. The most correct shape would have been a stangenglas or a keulenglas, both decorated with prunts to make it easier to grab, given that people really did eat mostly with their hands. But this is all really very fascinating!
@@AlexS-oj8qf it definitely is Northern Europe... even if it was the most prosperous part & was adopting a lot of Italian customs (like eating with forks.)
@@AlexS-oj8qf Depends n the time frame. Burgundy is a Low Lands Kingdom sometimes and a Highlands only Kingdom sometimes. Marriages and what-not spreading it around.
Friedrich der Schöne (1289-1330), was also a habsburg called this way, but that nickname was only added in the 16th century. Furthermore, he was from another line than Maximilian that ended with Rudolf IV., called the Founder, in 1365. He lost his claime on the reichsthrone after his defeat against Ludwig von Bayern at Mühlheim 1322.
Oooh! We went in Bruges to a similar amazing ceremony of marriage.....Margaret Plantagenet and the Duke of Burgundy, Mary’s here ‘mother’ in law, tho really she was aunt in law. Put on for tourists as we were, and we SO enjoyed it, as this is my very favourite period of history, tho English history, but Margaret was of course English. But what an appalling death poor Mary had. Unbelievable. There’s a HUGE painting in Bruges Town Hall of the event - her being dragged along the ground with her foot caught in the stirrup. Only 25 leaving small children, whom Margaret brought up with Maximilian.
Honestly, the greater sin here is that he eats with his left hand As in, he takes his left hand near his mouth, that's a big no no, even though he is a duke, and quite possibly has someone to wipe his bum for him, it is still social etiquette to not feed oneself with the left hand. Forks were, by the late 15th century, fairly common in the courts of France, and most likely Burgundy, only the English didn't use them at this point, because they saw them as dainty french things.
The only sin here really. Eating with left hand has nothing to do with it being used for wiping butts and everything to do with being a right handed person.
Can someone explain to me why Mary and the other women aren’t eating? I know she says it’s immoderate, but was this an actual custom at the time? Much like how Maximilian says that women aren’t allowed at the table in Austria? And I love Margaret’s little joke about how she doesn’t envy Mary on her wedding night because she would be covered by grease stains 😂
I also find it very surprising that they both say it. As far as I know, women did sit at the medieval European dining table at courts, and they also ate. Like what we saw in Isabel. When there is a court banquet, everyone sits and eats and drinks together.
It kind of reminds me of the meals several French Monarchs would "eat" at Versailles...while "their subjects" filed/passed by, and watched their King, as if he were some sort of attraction in a Zoo.
those poor women...To see all this beautifull food pass and not be allowed to eat it... I hope at least the diner they ate at their own was as good as this as it is her wedding too after all :)
Duchess Magaret of York dowager of Burgundy...., as seen in the bbc series shadow of the tower, white princess and white queen...., is maximilian on starz,.netflix?
In Flanders, which was the economic center of Burgundy, Flemish was generally spoken. Flemish has developed from a German dialect into its own language. But many words and concepts have remained similar.
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Isn't the music the Mourisca from Romeo and Juliet?
his appearance in those days would be akin to what we consider as "hot" these days. basically like a medieval Chris Hemsworth. so it's pretty accurate casting.
@@JadedKate Not really, nicknames like the handsome(his son) were mostly meant as a joke. Besides "hot" those days are certainly not our modern standards, his power, wealth and prestige were factors of being a "hot" person. Lastly paintings and engagement descriptions in this time are praising and considered misleading. More like the medieval catfish, then a real Chris ;)
This show is an international cooperation between several European countries, including France, Germany, Austria, etc. The actors are from different nationalities, with different mother tongues. During filming the scenes, every actor was speaking in their own language. So the main actor, a German, was speaking in German, the main actress, a French woman, was speaking in French. For the German tv version, the actress got dubbed to German, for the French TV version the actor got dubbed. Funny that you noticed that the lips don't match. I myself didn't notice it, despite the fact that I was the translator for these English subtitles. Also, no comment has ever mentioned it during the years. No one has found it disturbing or even noticed it.
The fork was invented by my People,Serbs,and we ate with It and a knife way before the other countries who didn't yet we were Stilo considered barbaric.Funny really.
Well, Wiki says Bone forks have been found in archaeological sites of the Bronze Age Qijia culture (2400-1900 BC), the Shang dynasty (c. 1600-c. 1050 BC), as well as later Chinese dynasties.[1]
Why is Polheim looking at that lady? He wants to flirt with her ir something? Also, I've noticed she looks like Rosalina, but I can nota assure it's her. Can someone clear my doubts?
That lady is Mary's lady-in-waiting, she has appeared beside Mary in a few clips before (and she is not Rosina). She acted as Mary's messenger to Maximilian, and she travelled from Cologne to Burgundy with Polheim so that Polheim can assist the wedding by proxy. During that journey, he seduced her and they slept together, but arriving at the Burgundian court, he noticed that she has a husband (which she failed to tell him when they had the affair...)
@@Mary-vz5qq Hm, I didn't plan to. To be honest, I think their whole storyline is horrible 😂 It's poorly written and there are many wtf scenes in it, and it's absolutely unnecessary for the main storyline. The thing is, the whole "affair" began with Polheim literally harassing her, throwing himself on her which borderlines sexual harassment for me and is utterly unacceptable. It is romanticised in the series but that is horrible. She refuses him but he just keeps doing it. And when she lets him seduce her in the end, she just fails to mention the "minor" issue that she has a husband 🤦♀️ It's just terrible. Both of them act so dumbly.
![Wedding night of Mary of Burgundy & Maximilian of Austria [part 1] (Maximilian)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kksYYKBfzkc/mqdefault.jpg)
![Wedding night of Mary of Burgundy & Maximilian of Austria [part 1] (Maximilian)](/img/tr.png)
Fun fact: Although the scene shows it as some "barbarism" from Maximilian that he doesn't eat with fork, the truth is that at this time in Europe, fork was not common in courts outside Italy. From Italy, it started to spread to Southern Europe first. In Portugal, Beatrice of Viseu, Manuel I's mother is the first known person to use it around 1450, then it spread to Spain from Portugal. Then to France, and only then to the northern parts of Europe, in the 16th century.
Very interesting. I didn´t know that.It´s a detail that I failed to notice in portuguese history.
Thank you Lili.
I’ve seen that in a lot historical shows. The Tudors on Showtime and The White Queen on Starz showed that.
Lilli1127, I never knew that. Interesting to know. ☺️☺️
Even in the highly fictionalized and non-historical series 'Reign' this is show as a "cultural shift". When the French Court under instructions from Catherine de' Medici, is going to use forks for the first time. Just to impress their foreign high ranking visitors from Italy - who are already used to handling a fork during dinner time. ✌🏻😁
Wasn’t Manuel I’s mother called Beatrice of Braganza? @Lili1127
Love how this shows how like in real history she adviced him with gentalness kindness and affection
What is "real history"?
@@AlexS-oj8qf what really happened in the past
I love how Pohlheim has Maximilian’s back.
Marrying Mary by proxy...
Even puts back the fork to support Maximilian making a point...
I love the talks and the contrasts we see here, and how Mary advises him. Great scene! Thanks for posting!
wow so impressive and heroic of Maxmilian. Rare and pure ROYALTY!! after game of thrones this one has hit deep
This is really neat. I like how the pages have the correct heraldry on their tabards. Also how the nobles are dressed well. However I would say that this is Burgundy. In an age where aristocratic splendor was of prime importance, Burgundy out shone the rest. Too often modern renditions of medieval life shows people in rags, even Dukes and princes. We know a lot about what the nobility was decked out in, thanks to accounting books. The music in this seen is rather disappointing, it sounds like medieval elevator music or background music from a video game. Bring on Heinrich Issac, Dufay, or Ockeghem
Thank you for the recommandations
My only complaint is that Mary is not wearing a hennin, which she probably did, since she's depicted wearing one in every illumination I have seen of her. And she also has left a tiny crown that was probably used with a hennin. And I don't think Maximiliam would wear a crown to the festivities, he would probably wear a hat, and the crown would be displayed nearby, and he would wear the collar of some chilvraic order, I don't know if he was a member of the Order of the Garter or the Golden Fleece, or any order at all.
Every scene in this series is in a sort of sepia dark. The wedding here was a very colourful event but here the lit candles don't give light and every noble is clad in dark garments. While it is really not difficult to see in paintings and illustrations of those days how a royal wedding feast really looked like.
His crown is beautiful. Quite elaborate.
I’m so happy he showed respect to Maria’s father. He’s right, we all should be proud of our parents. Lili1127 great job. Please stay safe and healthy. We need your videos to take us away from our problems. 😇❤️🙂👏
Mia B. And he is right. Charles le Téméraire as we call him can be often disregarded nowadays but in his native Burgundy we remember him for what he was, the giant of his time, too big for his world and the last prince who was as much a knight.
Well, I mean Max father's a coward conpared to Maria's father, he probably admired him.
@@AlexS-oj8qf they make him look like a coward,in reality he was a political genius and a competent ruler
@National Socialism May I ask, how about the wealth generated by salt being mind in or around Saltzburg or was that wealth obtained later? Thank you.
Well, Charles the Bold was a murdering bar steward… he wiped out entire villages killing men, women and children.. and laid the countryside bare. He was the Saddam Hussain of his time.. seeking war with anyone who crossed him… the Swiss made short work of him ..😏
He is gorgeous
Indeed
I watched this lovely serie last night! It's excellent! But the story is very sad... 😥
There's a story about Grand Prince Of Serbia Stefan Nemanja hosting Kaiser Friedrich Barbarosa in Nis, while he was on his way to the Third Crusade. In short, Serbs ate with forks and knives, and Germans ate with their hands.
Well Wiki says:
"Bone forks have been found in archaeological sites of the Bronze Age Qijia culture (2400-1900 BC), the Shang dynasty (c. 1600-c. 1050 BC), as well as later Chinese dynasties.[1] "
the Roman Empire, bronze and silver forks were used, many surviving examples of which are displayed in museums around Europe.[3][4
Imagine seeing the comments fighting because A guy said Eating Without a fork is barbaric
La vestimentq que lleva maximilian en esta serie incluyendo su anillo,espada es precioso
I like how Polheim become kinda embarassed like that 😂
Also, given the discussion on tableware, I'm not really sure how accurate those glasses are. They seem to be a classic Venetian production, the dragon-stem glass, made only in the early 16th century (not to mention they're too clear).
At this time, forest-glass was used in northern Europe to produce glassware. This type of glass had a lot of impurities (mainly iron) that gave the vessels a greenish colour. The most correct shape would have been a stangenglas or a keulenglas, both decorated with prunts to make it easier to grab, given that people really did eat mostly with their hands.
But this is all really very fascinating!
Burgundy is not “Northern Europe”
@@AlexS-oj8qf it definitely is Northern Europe... even if it was the most prosperous part & was adopting a lot of Italian customs (like eating with forks.)
@@AlexS-oj8qf Depends n the time frame.
Burgundy is a Low Lands Kingdom sometimes and a Highlands only Kingdom sometimes. Marriages and what-not spreading it around.
The one handsome Hapsburg in history.
was his son
Friedrich der Schöne (1289-1330), was also a habsburg called this way, but that nickname was only added in the 16th century. Furthermore, he was from another line than Maximilian that ended with Rudolf IV., called the Founder, in 1365. He lost his claime on the reichsthrone after his defeat against Ludwig von Bayern at Mühlheim 1322.
bad table manners, but hot as f----k lol
Not bad for the time, forks were in general still very rare and were often considered barbaric.
Actually, for me he eats pretty daintily with his hand. I mean his table manners are as good as one can have when just using one's hand and a knife.
Oh, I really want to see this!
Oooh! We went in Bruges to a similar amazing ceremony of marriage.....Margaret Plantagenet and the Duke of Burgundy, Mary’s here ‘mother’ in law, tho really she was aunt in law. Put on for tourists as we were, and we SO enjoyed it, as this is my very favourite period of history, tho English history, but Margaret was of course English. But what an appalling death poor Mary had. Unbelievable. There’s a HUGE painting in Bruges Town Hall of the event - her being dragged along the ground with her foot caught in the stirrup. Only 25 leaving small children, whom Margaret brought up with Maximilian.
In spanish we say brujas but in english means Witches haha
Margaret, if you attended a wedding in 1468, you must be pretty old.
BEST scene!!!
Honestly, the greater sin here is that he eats with his left hand
As in, he takes his left hand near his mouth, that's a big no no, even though he is a duke, and quite possibly has someone to wipe his bum for him, it is still social etiquette to not feed oneself with the left hand.
Forks were, by the late 15th century, fairly common in the courts of France, and most likely Burgundy, only the English didn't use them at this point, because they saw them as dainty french things.
The only sin here really. Eating with left hand has nothing to do with it being used for wiping butts and everything to do with being a right handed person.
Yes...left hand food is real big no...in 21st century...vegetarian indian food...our way of coronavirus precaution. ..
Can't left-handed people just wipe their bums with the right hand?
Can someone explain to me why Mary and the other women aren’t eating? I know she says it’s immoderate, but was this an actual custom at the time? Much like how Maximilian says that women aren’t allowed at the table in Austria?
And I love Margaret’s little joke about how she doesn’t envy Mary on her wedding night because she would be covered by grease stains 😂
I also find it very surprising that they both say it. As far as I know, women did sit at the medieval European dining table at courts, and they also ate. Like what we saw in Isabel. When there is a court banquet, everyone sits and eats and drinks together.
It kind of reminds me of the meals several French Monarchs would "eat" at Versailles...while "their subjects" filed/passed by, and watched their King, as if he were some sort of attraction in a Zoo.
those poor women...To see all this beautifull food pass and not be allowed to eat it... I hope at least the diner they ate at their own was as good as this as it is her wedding too after all :)
It could be that women ate separately from men.
@@stoker1931jane a Bourbon mukbang! Lmao
The background music is beautiful, anyone know where I can find it?
Try finding the show on tuneFind and they will have the songs on there 👍🏾
@@SINExo Thank you
yowza...he's a hottie!
he is majestic
He adressed the people in german, did they understand???
no, but Max was able to speak french a bit.
Duchess Magaret of York dowager of Burgundy...., as seen in the bbc series shadow of the tower, white princess and white queen...., is maximilian on starz,.netflix?
On Starz. You can also find it here:
wlext.is/series/maximilian-das-spiel-von-macht-und-liebe/?server=filefactorycom&episode=001
Is not Maximilian fault that he doesn't eat with the fork if he is poor and fork was like garbage for that days
what is the name of this series or is it a movie ?
Maximilian.
It's a German-Austrian miniseries
where can we watch this show? Netflix?
Bflix (: good luck!
Which show or movie is this and where can I watch it
Maximilian.
Didn't they speak french in Burgundy?
Yeah but it is a German movie
@ron con leche They spoke a bit of both.
In Flanders, which was the economic center of Burgundy, Flemish was generally spoken. Flemish has developed from a German dialect into its own language. But many words and concepts have remained similar.
Isn't the music the Mourisca from Romeo and Juliet?
What is the background music I love it!
Dinner time must've been extremely boring during those times.
sadly the casting...max was know for his nose...this looks like a pretty boy
his appearance in those days would be akin to what we consider as "hot" these days. basically like a medieval Chris Hemsworth. so it's pretty accurate casting.
@@JadedKate Not really, nicknames like the handsome(his son) were mostly meant as a joke. Besides "hot" those days are certainly not our modern standards, his power, wealth and prestige were factors of being a "hot" person. Lastly paintings and engagement descriptions in this time are praising and considered misleading. More like the medieval catfish, then a real Chris ;)
What's the name of this show?
Maximilian
What show is this?
Maximilian
@@Lily1127channel thank you 🙏🏻
Which movie is this?
Maximilian
It's a German-Austrian miniseries.
Where can I see it?
in case it still matters
Lili please translate an ukrainian serie called "Nothing happens twice "thanks for eng sub
Sorry, but neither do I have that series, nor do I speak Ukranian
sorry it is a russian serie just write in UA-cam Nothing happens twice thanks a lot
ua-cam.com/video/6b2p2gp919Q/v-deo.html
@pain gain Neither do I speak Russian well enough, sorry.
I would not mess with a guy like that
😮😮😮🎉
Why are some of the actors not speaking German? Their lips don’t match the spoken words. Anyone know?
This show is an international cooperation between several European countries, including France, Germany, Austria, etc. The actors are from different nationalities, with different mother tongues. During filming the scenes, every actor was speaking in their own language. So the main actor, a German, was speaking in German, the main actress, a French woman, was speaking in French. For the German tv version, the actress got dubbed to German, for the French TV version the actor got dubbed.
Funny that you noticed that the lips don't match. I myself didn't notice it, despite the fact that I was the translator for these English subtitles. Also, no comment has ever mentioned it during the years. No one has found it disturbing or even noticed it.
@@Lily1127channel i noticed it but it didn't bother me to have dubbing along with subtitles
The original was excellent! Sadly, it is hard to find!!
And some people from Europe and western look down on Asian for eating food with hand is sure that they don't know their countries history well
The fork was invented by my People,Serbs,and we ate with It and a knife way before the other countries who didn't yet we were Stilo considered barbaric.Funny really.
Nah the forks were long used by Ancient Greek and roman
Well, Wiki says Bone forks have been found in archaeological sites of the Bronze Age Qijia culture (2400-1900 BC), the Shang dynasty (c. 1600-c. 1050 BC), as well as later Chinese dynasties.[1]
Archeologists have found forks that are as old as 5000 years in a province of China.
Who considers serbs barbaric lol
@@derekmcgregor7459 Americans and Westerners.😑 All thanks to their "publicity".🙄
Why is Polheim looking at that lady? He wants to flirt with her ir something? Also, I've noticed she looks like Rosalina, but I can nota assure it's her. Can someone clear my doubts?
That lady is Mary's lady-in-waiting, she has appeared beside Mary in a few clips before (and she is not Rosina). She acted as Mary's messenger to Maximilian, and she travelled from Cologne to Burgundy with Polheim so that Polheim can assist the wedding by proxy. During that journey, he seduced her and they slept together, but arriving at the Burgundian court, he noticed that she has a husband (which she failed to tell him when they had the affair...)
@@Lily1127channel can you post clips of them together?
@@Mary-vz5qq Hm, I didn't plan to. To be honest, I think their whole storyline is horrible 😂
It's poorly written and there are many wtf scenes in it, and it's absolutely unnecessary for the main storyline.
The thing is, the whole "affair" began with Polheim literally harassing her, throwing himself on her which borderlines sexual harassment for me and is utterly unacceptable. It is romanticised in the series but that is horrible. She refuses him but he just keeps doing it. And when she lets him seduce her in the end, she just fails to mention the "minor" issue that she has a husband 🤦♀️ It's just terrible. Both of them act so dumbly.
@@Lily1127channel oh OK I didn't know because I haven't seen the series. Thank you for clearing their story.
No problem 😊
gamerstaat
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What show is this???
Maximilian
A German-Austrian miniseries
What show is this?
Maximilian