Thanks for doing this and posting. Very helpful. Any thoughts on the variance in speed between book recipe and what you got? I'm finding it tough to keep the speed down with longshot. Wonder if the higher speed equals higher pressure (then book). Cheers.
Thought crossed my mind about pressure. I would hope we can trust the published load data in Status of Steel. This load was definitely running faster then the published data. I am using a $100 chronograph. Can’t guarantee it’s reliability, but is usually close. If you want a slower 1 1/8oz load check out my 2 3/4 loads using Longshot and the TPS1275.
Thanks man. Good thoughts. Keep it up. Saves me driving 1.5 hours each way to do my testing lol. If... you find a good combo of 3" Ched's / Longshot Powder and a full load in the TPS 1230 (no Felt spacer). Love to see it.@@Duckslayer1096
@@pikeandtrout Cant imagine having to drive over an hour to the range. I drive 10 minutes, takes longer to get my stuff together. What if you were to use pieces of cotton ball. Just need something to take up the extra space.
I have felt spacers (sorry). Would like to go more then 1-1/8 (as in fill the full space of TPS 1230 wad). Bit reluctant to try 1 1/4 with longhsot. If that makes sense. I find really anything does well for me under 40yards. I range my 12ga at 50yds and 10 ga at 65yds. so trying to find a good 3" load using longshot as steel is always out of stock.
Finally I was able to order Alliant Steel powder after 2 years of looking. I do like long shot powder. Operates my auto loader well. Having the majority of formulas and the fastest loads for Alliant powder was frustrating.
Seems the 1230 wad is no longer available or has changed to possibly the TPS 35mm. No 3221230 part number any longer, just the 3227735. Is the 35mm the same wad?
I guess I called it the wrong wad. Damn. It’s the TPS 3”. www.ballisticproducts.com/TPS-12ga-3-Unwhite-Lightning-wad-UNslit-100_bag/productinfo/3227702US/
@@williamcarter746 I’ve been told by ballistic products the “Multi metal” wads are different then the TPS series, but Wade Rush says they are the exact same wads. Along with the wad which used to be call “white lightening”. My guess there was/is a copyright issue
It’s good for all of those and have a good amount of published load data for Longshot . I tried it for target, but those are pretty hot loads for target.
Proved it again today. My handloads far exceed factory shells. I'm not sure if I just shoot better with the lower velocity or if BB is better than factory #4. Or the shotcups are better or what, but I hit more ducks with them. For sure.
That is great to hear. I really liked this load when I patterned it. Just as good as Alliant Steel or better. I have compared factory and hand loads, hand loads are far superior!
Its a Caldwell chronograph so not top of the line but decent. I would think +or- 50fps. A lot depends on barrel length, shorter barrel slower speeds. I am using a 28” barrel. It would depend on what length of barrel was used for the test.
@@Duckslayer1096 I have the same chrono. I’ll have to try that load. I know BPI uses a 30” barrel for tests. Most loads from them come in lower than advertised for me. You didn’t do anything different other than flare that gas seal out? I feel like that might be what did it. TPS wads seem like they’ve got crappy seals. A lot of mine blow out
To get more accurate velocity readings, you need to subtract 35 FPS when shooting shot over any chronograph. The added velocity is probably from a deeper crimp than what BPI tests with, which is .055" deep.
I like that you shoot over a chronograph. I am going out now to test my loads over a chronograph. So I will know for sure.
It’s nice to know the speed are where you need them. Good luck.
Thanks for doing this and posting. Very helpful. Any thoughts on the variance in speed between book recipe and what you got? I'm finding it tough to keep the speed down with longshot. Wonder if the higher speed equals higher pressure (then book). Cheers.
Thought crossed my mind about pressure. I would hope we can trust the published load data in Status of Steel. This load was definitely running faster then the published data. I am using a $100 chronograph. Can’t guarantee it’s reliability, but is usually close. If you want a slower 1 1/8oz load check out my 2 3/4 loads using Longshot and the TPS1275.
Thanks man. Good thoughts. Keep it up. Saves me driving 1.5 hours each way to do my testing lol. If... you find a good combo of 3" Ched's / Longshot Powder and a full load in the TPS 1230 (no Felt spacer). Love to see it.@@Duckslayer1096
@@pikeandtrout Cant imagine having to drive over an hour to the range. I drive 10 minutes, takes longer to get my stuff together. What if you were to use pieces of cotton ball. Just need something to take up the extra space.
I have felt spacers (sorry). Would like to go more then 1-1/8 (as in fill the full space of TPS 1230 wad). Bit reluctant to try 1 1/4 with longhsot. If that makes sense. I find really anything does well for me under 40yards. I range my 12ga at 50yds and 10 ga at 65yds. so trying to find a good 3" load using longshot as steel is always out of stock.
@@pikeandtrout I will look but dont think I have seen an 1 1/4 oz shot with tps and Longshot.
Great videos. Keep up the good work 👍
@@saltcreekammo Thanks. I have been so busy I have not had time to get some new videos. Hopefully coming soon.
Do you happen to have a 20g longshot load recipe?? Love the videos!!
@@jorgehernandez6878 what do you have for wads and 3 inch or 2 3/4. I have not reloaded any 20 gauge yet. Thanks
@ I have cheddite 3” hull and BP2090s wad
@ also have cheddite 2 3/4 hulls
@@jorgehernandez6878 20 gauge 3” ched 17.5grns- 18.5grns longshot, Nitro card 32 in base, BP2092, 7/8oz steel, 20g overshot card. Says HOT209 primer. 1191-1213fps.
@@jorgehernandez6878 nothing using longshot in 20 gauge 2 3/4
Finally I was able to order Alliant Steel powder after 2 years of looking. I do like long shot powder. Operates my auto loader well. Having the majority of formulas and the fastest loads for Alliant powder was frustrating.
Alliant is definitely superior for steel shot. But I also have had good luck with Longshot. Good to hear you found some Alliant steel powder.
I need to try out those TPS wads for 2, 3/4 inch shells, running 00 buck at 1350fps.
I like the TPS wads. They hold up very well
Would you load this just with BB or maybe BB and #2? Need to load up a bunch for spring Snow Goose.
For goose I think I would use BB only.
Seems the 1230 wad is no longer available or has changed to possibly the TPS 35mm. No 3221230 part number any longer, just the 3227735. Is the 35mm the same wad?
I guess I called it the wrong wad. Damn. It’s the TPS 3”.
www.ballisticproducts.com/TPS-12ga-3-Unwhite-Lightning-wad-UNslit-100_bag/productinfo/3227702US/
@@Duckslayer1096 ha! No worries. I think it was the 1230 before.
@@williamcarter746 I’ve been told by ballistic products the “Multi metal” wads are different then the TPS series, but Wade Rush says they are the exact same wads. Along with the wad which used to be call “white lightening”. My guess there was/is a copyright issue
@@Duckslayer1096 I emailed Ballistic Products. The Unwhite Lightening is the TPS1230.
Do you feel that Longshot is a good all around powder for Buckshot, steel, and lead shot? I can readily find longshot but really none of the others.
It’s good for all of those and have a good amount of published load data for Longshot . I tried it for target, but those are pretty hot loads for target.
It’s what I started with until I was able to get Alliant steel and blue dot.
Have you ever tried any 1 3/8 oz steel loads?
Highest payload for steel in a 3” I’ve done is 1 1/4oz. I think the pressure will be too high for more payload.
Proved it again today. My handloads far exceed factory shells. I'm not sure if I just shoot better with the lower velocity or if BB is better than factory #4. Or the shotcups are better or what, but I hit more ducks with them. For sure.
That is great to hear. I really liked this load when I patterned it. Just as good as Alliant Steel or better. I have compared factory and hand loads, hand loads are far superior!
What pressure does it produce
To get 1500fps
@@Mrnippit the load is from Status of Steel fall within pressure specifications. I can look it up if you would like the exact pressure.
Wow was not expecting 1504 fps, thats solid for 1 1/8 with longshot
@@gregc247 Decent speeds for sure.
@@Duckslayer1096 what was your source for the original load data?
This recipe says 1350 on the books, you think the 1500 you’re getting is accurate?
Its a Caldwell chronograph so not top of the line but decent. I would think +or- 50fps. A lot depends on barrel length, shorter barrel slower speeds. I am using a 28” barrel. It would depend on what length of barrel was used for the test.
@@Duckslayer1096 I have the same chrono. I’ll have to try that load. I know BPI uses a 30” barrel for tests. Most loads from them come in lower than advertised for me. You didn’t do anything different other than flare that gas seal out? I feel like that might be what did it. TPS wads seem like they’ve got crappy seals. A lot of mine blow out
@@mikehunt4314 Yes that is the only thing I did different.
To get more accurate velocity readings, you need to subtract 35 FPS when shooting shot over any chronograph. The added velocity is probably from a deeper crimp than what BPI tests with, which is .055" deep.
One of the reasons im not into the unslit wads....
@@gregc247 It’s not bad slitting the wads. I made my own but you can buy some nice ones.