He makes a valid point about repair and extensions of systems. I encountered a water line leak in a 1 year old home about 30 years ago. I found it just under the slab. The copper had been 'dinged' during construction with an injury about the size of a bb. the water friction took a year to wear out the hole, and then the leak was under the slab, and much harder to find, and repair than this floor system would have allowed.
MarkH10 In slab on grade construction the water supply line doesn’t necessarily have to be run underground. I recently finished a project where the plumbing waste line was the only “service” underground. Everything else overhead.
You are the man...southernpine you guys make great videos...i understood every section off this video...thanks so much and I will be getting my products from your sponsor.
When constructing a raised floor in a garage to bring it up to the existing elevation of the house, would you install a ledger board attached to the garage wall? Could you use pier foundation blocks?
I converted my garage but didn't raise floor because that would have taken away the height of the ceiling, so I just poured concrete around the edge and built walls on top 6 inches off ground, not bad but I'm dealing with sealing to keep water from leaking in during bad storms, If you remove all flooring material on slab foundation you'll notice all water that leaks doing storms
Do you build raised floor/ crawl space space cement block homes ? I Like raised floor homes for all the reasons you mentioned. In NJ most homes are full basement or crawl space only cheap homes are built on slab . If you build a crawl space block home how far off Grade to the bottom of the wall band ?.thanks for the video. does a crawl space have to be termite treated in Florida before you place the plastic on? I
This video must be aimed at areas where slab on grade is the normal construction method. This "Raised floor system" is the normal method here in the PNW. I thought this would be something new.
As he said early in the video, he built 2 with this method in Dallas. In Texas the typical build is a poured concrete slab. He built something unusual when he built this. I worked in cable for years in Austin, and the only times I encountered this style was with homes built in the 40's. I worked in several hundred new homes , and not one was different than slab.
@@MarkH10Coworker in the dallas area bought an old knob and tube home, but since it was raised floor he was easily able to move the commode in his bathroom.
In fact, the whole structure should be masonry, not stick frame and will be soon as Climate Change re-writes our building codes for us. I say masonry, because Normal Portland Cement has to be replaced when ever possible, with something equal to the job, locally sourced and that doesn't require temperatures of 1800C to make. They burn coal, to make cement usually. All that has to stop. The inference in the video of your "raised floor" house being above the incoming flood waters as an advantage was funny. Do they come with canoes for getting to the beer store, and does the beer store have a dock?
If everyone who believes the global climate change myth would stop reproducing, we would have this problem fixed in a single generation. Real science says that the climate has been changing since the first rays from the sun kissed this planet. It will continue to change until the sun dies.
What a bunch of BS. It's the ground connection that we have to exploit, not the square footage of the lot required to build it. One reason we don't have ground source heat pumps (which would reduce HVAC costs across the board by over 50%) is because our lots are too small, and the houses on them, too big for room left to support the underground pipes required. McMansion suburbia is the problem, not the solution.
I hope your clients like the much greater cost of this system and 50 years from now the owners will be jacking the raised floor up just to keep their ceiling from separating away from the walls. Only use this system if you are building right on top of bedrock and don't mind the extra costs. Raised floor systems were never forgotten, they just aren't reasonable to build anymore .
The cost comparison is like comparing apples to oranges. I would direct you to budgeting.thenest.com/difference-cost-slab-raised-home-22511.html as one site that looks at this issue. In addition, as indicated in this video, there is no comparison as far as looks or in accessibility to system components. As to your charge that ceilings will be separating from their walls in 50 years, the average buyer stays in house around 13 years. In addition, I have seen hundreds of raised floor homes and lived in several. Though this might happen, I haven't seen it personally. That includes living in nearly a 100 year old home for awhile. I assure you, it wasn't built on bedrock. What is just as likely, if not more so, is a concrete slab cracking and subsequent damage to embedded system components. Now, I have seen that in several homes. In the end, you can choose your slab but, for me, I like my raised floor. I like being a couple of feet up off the ground in my 1939 craftsman home on my farm in whose crawlspace I was easily able to access the plumbing to upgrade. In addition, I especially like my raised beach home. There is something much nicer about being up off of the ground.
"to keep their ceiling from separating away from the walls" Total hogwash! If this were true anyone living in a wood framed building above the first floor would be experiencing this.
It might have been one of the first 'home improvement' trends, back when people lived with dirt floors. Never cover the ground and expect things to stay the same. Remove the sunlight and another ecosytem takes over. It's a problem around boats and docks too, where natural growth under the water near the shore and on the shore is interrupted by the shade of floating objects.
Those if you who have traveled to Switzerland and Spain , Poland , China, Iran, Russia .etc knwo what quality home is. These homes are not build for human. What sort of timber home is it ????low quality homes. What sort of home is it ???
Tons of people need affordable homes such as pressure treated wood on pea rock. Its legal but Strict codes and Osha often make building these homes to costly. Rural areas no problem. Ive seen wood basements with the wood floor directly on pea rock and the center bearing wall post on a wood pad. Easy plumbing do-it-yer self.
crawlspaces are a disaster in north FL due to moisture and mold issues. These issues can be solved, but most all builders don't think about doing that- the homeowner will find out what happens 10 years later. A stem wall with compacted fill is better.
not a bad system for much of the country but i would never own a home in florida or tornado alley that was not cbs with najor rebar 0r poured concrete look at the recent hurricane that hit the panhandle, wood homes were toothpicks. only exception would be real log or dome. but the rest of the country this a viable option. i do like the engineered wood as for basement homes great extra space but if not constructed right water incursion..of course in most of fl they be definatly indoor pools with the high water tables about 1/2 the year
True enough but long term if something breaks or you wish to modify your home, breaking and repairing the concrete to make changes is time consuming and expensive.
@@urbananimal55 true! Many people get messed over by plumbers who charge outrageous prices making repairs but what they don't tell you is that you can easily run plumbing on ground around house bypassing expensive concrete work
You can do that either way. The only thing I question is the double 2x10 girder. I've been a framer for a long time, and I've never seen a wooden girder that wasn't a triple 2x10.
So the floor is empty without any thermal insulation? :O This is for some warm climates... In my area only concrete footing trenches shoud be diggen 6-7 feets(to be below freezing)
Forest coverage in North America may not have declined in the last 100 years in terms of square miles of forested area; but the quality of the environment, species diversity, wild life habitat, and even the economic value of the standing timber is way down due to commercial logging practices and replanting efforts.
I have no problem with the raised floor as long as it is at least 3 feet above the ground at the lowest point. The one you are doing here is too damn low, causing moisture damage and future maintenance issues .
2:32 ".....wood is one of the world's only......." one of only? It is either one of many or the only, not a mix of both. This kind of illogical statement grates like nails on a chalk board.
He makes a valid point about repair and extensions of systems. I encountered a water line leak in a 1 year old home about 30 years ago. I found it just under the slab. The copper had been 'dinged' during construction with an injury about the size of a bb. the water friction took a year to wear out the hole, and then the leak was under the slab, and much harder to find, and repair than this floor system would have allowed.
MarkH10 In slab on grade construction the water supply line doesn’t necessarily have to be run underground. I recently finished a project where the plumbing waste line was the only “service” underground. Everything else overhead.
You are the man...southernpine you guys make great videos...i understood every section off this video...thanks so much and I will be getting my products from your sponsor.
I build with the raised floors whenever i can. With the engineering involved in slab construction nowadays, the cost is a wash.....
build home's here in South Louisiana that way with no ventilation ports on chain Walls.subfloor and joist will mildew and deteriorate within 5 years.
Another big advantage of the crawl space is if your wife kicks you out of the house one cold winter night, you'll have a warm place to sleep.
the crawl space is cold.. lol
Consider a divorce paper
@@potassiumchloride2542 Doesn't sound like it will keep u very warm.
Good idea. In the cold north using freezable water line. Footing 4ft or more. Easy plumbing
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mainly the home owner can save.
Thanks! I learned a lot!
When constructing a raised floor in a garage to bring it up to the existing elevation of the house, would you install a ledger board attached to the garage wall? Could you use pier foundation blocks?
I converted my garage but didn't raise floor because that would have taken away the height of the ceiling, so I just poured concrete around the edge and built walls on top 6 inches off ground, not bad but I'm dealing with sealing to keep water from leaking in during bad storms,
If you remove all flooring material on slab foundation you'll notice all water that leaks doing storms
Do you build raised floor/ crawl space space cement block homes ? I Like raised floor homes for all the reasons you mentioned. In NJ most homes are full basement or crawl space only cheap homes are built on slab . If you build a crawl space block home how far off Grade to the bottom of the wall band ?.thanks for the video. does a crawl space have to be termite treated in Florida before you place the plastic on? I
yes to the termite question,and 24 inches for the other
This video must be aimed at areas where slab on grade is the normal construction method. This "Raised floor system" is the normal method here in the PNW. I thought this would be something new.
As he said early in the video, he built 2 with this method in Dallas. In Texas the typical build is a poured concrete slab. He built something unusual when he built this. I worked in cable for years in Austin, and the only times I encountered this style was with homes built in the 40's. I worked in several hundred new homes , and not one was different than slab.
@@MarkH10Coworker in the dallas area bought an old knob and tube home, but since it was raised floor he was easily able to move the commode in his bathroom.
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why not pour the walls
In fact, the whole structure should be masonry, not stick frame and will be soon as Climate Change re-writes our building codes for us. I say masonry, because Normal Portland Cement has to be replaced when ever possible, with something equal to the job, locally sourced and that doesn't require temperatures of 1800C to make. They burn coal, to make cement usually. All that has to stop.
The inference in the video of your "raised floor" house being above the incoming flood waters as an advantage was funny. Do they come with canoes for getting to the beer store, and does the beer store have a dock?
Refuso = Leftist slug.
If everyone who believes the global climate change myth would stop reproducing, we would have this problem fixed in a single generation. Real science says that the climate has been changing since the first rays from the sun kissed this planet. It will continue to change until the sun dies.
what about frost heaves?
Footings are below the frost line. No frost heave.
Warm floor my ass. I have raised floor and it’s cold as Alaska
What a bunch of BS. It's the ground connection that we have to exploit, not the square footage of the lot required to build it. One reason we don't have ground source heat pumps (which would reduce HVAC costs across the board by over 50%) is because our lots are too small, and the houses on them, too big for room left to support the underground pipes required. McMansion suburbia is the problem, not the solution.
Enjoy your tiny house.
I hope your clients like the much greater cost of this system and 50 years from now the owners will be jacking the raised floor up just to keep their ceiling from separating away from the walls. Only use this system if you are building right on top of bedrock and don't mind the extra costs. Raised floor systems were never forgotten, they just aren't reasonable to build anymore .
The cost comparison is like comparing apples to oranges. I would direct you to budgeting.thenest.com/difference-cost-slab-raised-home-22511.html as one site that looks at this issue. In addition, as indicated in this video, there is no comparison as far as looks or in accessibility to system components.
As to your charge that ceilings will be separating from their walls in 50 years, the average buyer stays in house around 13 years. In addition, I have seen hundreds of raised floor homes and lived in several. Though this might happen, I haven't seen it personally. That includes living in nearly a 100 year old home for awhile. I assure you, it wasn't built on bedrock. What is just as likely, if not more so, is a concrete slab cracking and subsequent damage to embedded system components. Now, I have seen that in several homes.
In the end, you can choose your slab but, for me, I like my raised floor. I like being a couple of feet up off the ground in my 1939 craftsman home on my farm in whose crawlspace I was easily able to access the plumbing to upgrade. In addition, I especially like my raised beach home. There is something much nicer about being up off of the ground.
"to keep their ceiling from separating away from the walls" Total hogwash!
If this were true anyone living in a wood framed building above the first floor would be experiencing this.
It might have been one of the first 'home improvement' trends, back when people lived with dirt floors. Never cover the ground and expect things to stay the same. Remove the sunlight and another ecosytem takes over. It's a problem around boats and docks too, where natural growth under the water near the shore and on the shore is interrupted by the shade of floating objects.
Those if you who have traveled to Switzerland and Spain , Poland , China, Iran, Russia .etc knwo what quality home is. These homes are not build for human.
What sort of timber home is it ????low quality homes.
What sort of home is it ???
Tons of people need affordable homes such as pressure treated wood on pea rock. Its legal but Strict codes and Osha often make building these homes to costly.
Rural areas no problem.
Ive seen wood basements with the wood floor directly on pea rock and the center bearing wall post on a wood pad. Easy plumbing do-it-yer self.
Lol.....the majority of homes here are either crawl space or basement. I didn't realize they were so uncommon in other parts of the country.
crawlspaces are a disaster in north FL due to moisture and mold issues. These issues can be solved, but most all builders don't think about doing that- the homeowner will find out what happens 10 years later. A stem wall with compacted fill is better.
I built my 2 story log home on a crawl space with PT and have absolutely no mold in North fl Putnam county.
Skirt foundation, lol.
not a bad system for much of the country but i would never own a home in florida or tornado alley that was not cbs with najor rebar 0r poured concrete look at the recent hurricane that hit the panhandle, wood homes were toothpicks. only exception would be real log or dome. but the rest of the country this a viable option. i do like the engineered wood as for basement homes great extra space but if not constructed right water incursion..of course in most of fl they be definatly indoor pools with the high water tables about 1/2 the year
What a lot of backwards shit. Like a block a beam floor except worse.
it's so much simpler to pour a footing and slab all at once and be done with it!
The name of their page is southern pine so I think they are partial to wood. I’m with you.
True enough but long term if something breaks or you wish to modify your home, breaking and repairing the concrete to make changes is time consuming and expensive.
@@urbananimal55 true! Many people get messed over by plumbers who charge outrageous prices making repairs but what they don't tell you is that you can easily run plumbing on ground around house bypassing expensive concrete work
and how do you adjust it if it settles
a slab is so much easier and will never mold
did i see them butt the joists into the side of the girder? i thought the joists were suppose to sit on top of the girder
They used joist hangers.
You can do that either way. The only thing I question is the double 2x10 girder. I've been a framer for a long time, and I've never seen a wooden girder that wasn't a triple 2x10.
So the floor is empty without any thermal insulation? :O This is for some warm climates... In my area only concrete footing trenches shoud be diggen 6-7 feets(to be below freezing)
Forest coverage in North America may not have declined in the last 100 years in terms of square miles of forested area; but the quality of the environment, species diversity, wild life habitat, and even the economic value of the standing timber is way down due to commercial logging practices and replanting efforts.
I have no problem with the raised floor as long as it is at least 3 feet above the ground at the lowest point. The one you are doing here is too damn low, causing moisture damage and future maintenance issues .
Ummm, most of the non previously slave states build this way. I don't think the north ever fergot how tobuild this way.
I will be using this style of foundation system. Thank you for the video.
2:32 ".....wood is one of the world's only......." one of only? It is either one of many or the only, not a mix of both. This kind of illogical statement grates like nails on a chalk board.
He also said there was a concrete shortage. LOL no