MD vs PA vs. NP vs. Nursing vs. Dentistry vs. Optometry vs. DO
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Choosing between medicine and dentistry was a part of my life where I was so hesitant. I adore both professions until I decided to do both by being an oral and maxillofacial surgeon.
Yahia Khaled hi , I’m a dental student, and I’m thinking about omfs so much , can you give me more information about it and also where are you from? And how many years did it take you ? Also how many experience years did you do as a dentist ?. Pleae reply 🙏🙏🙏 !
nice!
Question:
First assume the following: plan to pursue a career in family medicine and both MD and DO school tuitions are the same.
Option 1, go immediately to a DO school.
Option 2, wait 1-2 years, fortify your application and go to an MD school.
What is the right answer?
After 15 years of clinical practice...drum roll...wait for it...
DO.
Why? 1 additional year of additional savings growing exponentially over a 30 year career.
50K 7% over 30 years= approx 410K.
Personally, I'd take the cash at retirement over a 30 year career of perceived MD "status" any day.
Dave Ramsey take home, in the end $ > status.
Watched this video 5 years ago never even dreaming I’d get into medical school. Had to do nursing along the way. Keep your head up guys! Work and dedication pays off!
Incoming MD student 🔥
DO is NOT equivalent to PA or NP. It is EQUIVALENT TO MD. The stigma exists because of things like this. I am a DO and have had classmates go into ENT, Ortho, Derm and even one into Neurosurgery
Definitely sharing this video with a close friend!! This was much needed!! I've been on a personal journey exploring these fields in depth b/c going into the medical field, whether it's PA, Nursing, OT, PT , etc., will be very expensive & is not a decision to take lightly! This is why I'm so extremely thankful that you broke down the issues of DO residencies! I'm a new pre-med (second bachelors/graduated in May '17) & had no idea this was happening!! I knew of the stigmas against DOs & personally I have no issues with DOs, PAs, or NPs.
However, I was once strongly considering PA studies until researching more into the field & educational path. I love all the pros the career offer, but after talking to a PA I realized that some specialties are rare to find a PA work in (this is according to a practicing PA in neurosurgery btw!) such as pathology, clinical genetics, diagnostic Rad; although Interventional RAD is not as rare according to her. Of course there are ALOT of specialties that PAs can pursue!! It's just I have a strong interest in RAD (not based on monetary reasoning & it might change). However, I just don't want to limit my options for specialties. Also, the push for NPs to have a doctorate degree in 2020 or 2025 (it was supposed to be in 2018) now has PA schools (so far a few) considering advancing PA studies to a doctorate degree 😑. I'm aware that this is not too alarming as other fields, such as audiology was also once a master level & PT also, but my gut feeling is telling me that there are some cons to the PA field that no one is willing to talk about (similar to DO residency discussed on here) & I cannot take the risk (as a once Radiation therapist major).
Sorry this was long 😬...just wanted to add to the discussion 😬
My struggle is deciding between PA and MD. I love to help people, but I’m struggling in my decision by looking at the salaries and length of time in school and/or training. Time and money isn’t an issue as far as program costs, it’s just the end results I can’t seem to decide to choose between.
Drea What’s your reasoning behind that?
Devon Sewell I started off wanting to be an MD also. But all the politics of even getting into med school turned me off. I’m going with NP because you can still write scripts and be autonomous
Peace be to you Dr.Andre Pinesett! Thanks so much for covering this topic. I'm glad you didn't leave UA-cam! I have been referring pre-Med AND pre-PA students to your channel! It's AMAZING! BTW, did you use a particular vendor to help you create your website. I know that there are many from which to chose.
Omar Abdul-Malik DHEd, MPAS, PA-C Yes. I have an awesome developer. Send me an email
I just got my RN and I'm 44...a healthy and fabulous 44 but I do not like debt so...lol...maybe not med school. I don't know. A few doctors have said don't bother with med school. Too much stress and debt. However I will watch the video to gain more insight.
Emerson's Coffee Bike and Rum Shop good decision!
Dr. Andre Pinesett: The Pre-med Productivity Expert If you were to do it over, would you have gone to med school or did something else like anesthesia assistant, orthodontist, or another field unrelated to healthcare altogether?
Crone Woman Walking 2nd degree BSN RN in the ER looking to see if I want to be an NP or a dentist? Help. I’m over bed side
Dude, I've been searching the internet for weeks on these topics. Never have I come across something so in depth and also honest. Thank you for doing this
Wow what a great video! Dr. Pinesett I wish I had an adviser/mentor like you when I was going through the premed process. I had lofty goals for entry into medical school, but fell victim poor decisions. I'm now navigating as a nontraditional so your videos are great for me.
Dieu Merci awesome. You should check out the courses on my website, so much more good stuff.
Can I say awesome video and finally I know what route I want to take. I always knew I wanted to do Nursing since I was a child but during high school I allowed persons to pressure me to become a Doctor and not a Nurse. I always knew I wanted a family and a work life balance in life. Thank God I came across your video today (21.09.19) as it just reassured me to pursue my childhood dream of being a Nurse and to hell with my fears and others say. Again thank you
Probably very true what you said about DO. I'm a DO student in the class of 2020 (the year the merge should be "complete"). Our dean told us that the match is likely going to be harder than ever for us
I love this video! It’s all around inclusive to all the options and questions we are truly asking. Thank you Dr. Andre Pinesett! Your videos are a blessing to us all.
The nurse practitioner scope of practice varies from state to state. They may be limited in some states, and must practice under a physician, while some states have much less restrictions. NP and PA are not the same. PA's will always have to work under a physician. NP's can have their own practice. As defined by the American Association of Nurse Practitioners, "Nurse practitioners (NPs) are licensed, independent practitioners who practice in ambulatory, acute and long-term care as primary and/or specialty care providers. NPs assess, diagnose, treat and manage acute episodic and chronic illnesses. NPs are experts in health promotion and disease prevention. They order, conduct, supervise, and interpret diagnostic and laboratory tests; prescribe pharmacological agents and non-pharmacologic therapies; and teach and counsel patients, among other services." NPs are NOT MDs but do not have to work under one.
prettynurse2 thanks for adding info!!
Sounds like NP is equivalent to MD. Why would anyone go to medical school if NP can do the same thing.
Great video! I felt like you did a great job addressing the real differences between the professions, showing respect for each profession and how they contribute to the team.
Thank you!
Woah. Perfect vid. I was torn between a couple of these but it’s all clear now. You’re the man Dr. Pinesett
Thesadsadgame glad I could clear things up!
You really dislike dentistry lol. Good video all around. I especially like the insurance comparison between different specialties
Podiatry (DPM) degree is a great alternative to be a physician and surgeon
I agree
I love this vibe and environment of his videos which make me come back to a new video every time!!! Now I really have a focus on what career I actually want to pursue. The anesthesia assistant is sounding real nice right now! Thank you for making this live video!
Navi Heera you are welcome, glad you are linking the videos. Like and follow my Facebook page so you can get on the live streams and ask questions! @dominatepremed
Hey Dr. Pinesett, if you were to choose your career over again. Would u have chosen something different ? Such as, PA, NP, or even CRNA
Rich 91 Doctors don’t get paid $300 an hour either
He would pick Md over and over again
You should've included pediatric medicine in here.. I wish you would do video on it/opinions. DPMs have 3 year residencies and have nurses alongside
I learn something new every time you rock Dr. Pinesett!
Norris Brown yeeeeees!! That’s what I like to hear
Great video...great info. Thank you so much. I think PA is the road for me.
somethintru1 yay! Happy you found the path do you.
I’m a 2nd year DO student...I totally agree with your prediction.
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Anesthesia Assistant is only permitted to work in 16 states. So before going to school for that make sure the state your going to reside in allows you to work as a AA.
I just learned so much from this one video, seriously, this is free yet people still won't watch it. Thank you Dr.Pinesett !
LordF glad you learned a bunch. You are welcome. Yes, it’s a travesty people aren’t paying attention.
It killed me when he started ranting about dentist who talk to you while working on your mouth. It is so true. Lol.
this topic is exactly what i've been searching for! very well explained, thank you!
Ximena Calvo you’re welcome! The students on the live stream picked it. Make sure to get over to my Facebook page, like and follow to get on the love streams and get your other questions answered.
Thank you Dr. Andre Pinesett! I've learned so much and it brought me some clarity to which medical profession is right for me. This video really motivated me to pursue Optometry. Can't wait for more videos!
Awesome video, thanks for the help. I’ve been struggling recently with which area to go into. I know I want to do something in the healthcare field. I just am not sure how much responsibility, workload, and autonomy I want. This helped me get the just of the whole picture. Thank you!
This video is very very very informative, I just want to say Thank You for this video. This helped me with my career choice I truly desire!! (which is probably PA or NP)
Awesome to see you upload more videos on youtube, Dr. Pinesett. I've been working through them, there's a lot to watch but it's all great stuff! Thanks for putting all this information out there!
This is awesome information! I want to be an anesthesiologist and I had no idea of the different routes!
89prettywings I had no idea either. I’m sharing, so you don’t have to make the same mistakes I did.
This video made me so sad by hearing your opinion about Optometry. Optometrists don't just work with glasses! They can diagnose brain tumors and diabetes as well as detecting serious eye conditions. Your optometrist could prevent you from going blind! No love for the eyes or optometrists :(
Lauren Strohl optometrist? Or do you mean ophthalmologist? Because one is an MD and can diagnose and prescribe and do surgery. The optometrist are the people at the eye care shop I think that what he means.
Nope thats an optician. Opticians fit glasses, which you need only a certification to do. Optometrists are eye doctors that can diagnose ocular diseases, write scripts for eye drops, and get your eye glasses prescription (You get a D.O or Doctor of Optometry). Ophthalmologists (which is an M.D.) are specialized eye doctors that can perform surgery or treat some ocular diseases in more depth than an optometrist will. It's sad that people don't know a lot about optometry and therefore don't go into the field, because it's really interesting! Source: Applying to optometry school this year
Lauren Strohl agreed. It’s similar to ophthalmologist but without the MD degree.
Optometrists are O.D. just an fyi. But yes they are actually eye DOCTORS. The D.O. degree is doctor of osteopathic medicine, ie a medical doctor analogous to the M.D.
@@laurenstrohl9249 What's sad is that you don't even know the initials (O.D) of something you're so "passionate" about. Are you sure you should apply to optometry school when you don't even know basic information about the occupation
Your passion in what you do is truly remarkable. I'm very thankful I found this channel!
You're a great educator and advisor. Appreciate the time you take out of your busy life to do this. Thank you Doc.
Amazing video. Thank you for taking the time to explain all the complexities of the different healthcare fields.
Didn’t have high hopes for this video but glad I watched it LOL.
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Thank you thank you thank you for this video. My daughter was accepted to Medical School in the Caribbean, which I’m against it. Your video is so informative. I sent the link to my daughter. Thank you Doctor. 👍🏻
amazing video. Really good job of differentiating the professions and the pros and cons. THANK YOU!
Where is Podiatry?
Excellent video nothing else quite like it. I was looking for a major comparison like this to help me decide.
Dr. Andre, pls talk about Oral surgeon. Thank you
Hi can you please do a comparison of optometrist vs podiatrist vs pharmacist.
What's the starting salary for an AA, I heard some make upwards of 200k. But how can that be with just 2 years of schooling?
David 6 years of schooling. They’ll take premedical courses too.
Whats an AA
Anesthetist
Gaming ExpeRt {D.s.G} or anesthesiology assistant. It’s similar to a CRNA
This is not exactly correct. While there will be less DO residencies due to funding and cost to meet ACGME mandates, a large number of DO residencies have already gotten prelim accreditation. Will it be harder for DO's? Time will tell. But there definitely will be more competition since DO residencies can also accept MD. Also DO's are fully licensed in Canada, check the Canadian Osteopathic Association website
Dr. Pinesett I am a huge fan of your channel! I love the work that you do. I had a question though. I still have a couple more years left before I can apply to med school but I wanted to apply to DO schools because I agree with the DO way. Do you think that would be smart at all? Or should I stay away from DO?
I’m so sick of people criticising dentists and dentistry ! And thinking that they work for physicians. You’re really making me hate what I’m doing
You will never work under a physician as a dentist, you're more or less equivalent. Even working under an OMFs, they cant tell you what to do unless a favor. Physicians hate dentists a bit, they feel dentists. They think optometry is above dentistry because they are lazy at checking out other courses. This guy is just making a weak point, there are proctologists/gynaecologists/ent. They are physicians also.
And he is talking about specialised professions like physicians do knee or heart surgery, also physicians get paid upfront and mainly do prescription. Doing 1st aid can screw you over though but insurance covers that. Specialists get paid later yes but you wont reach the hospital without a call and appointment and proper investigation. Physicians dont do knee surgery.Orthodontist are just a speciality like a podiatrist. In government hospitals all dental specialists get paid the same including maxfac. Optometry is not equivalent, they are like nurses and dental therapists.
I loveeee this! Thanks so much for explaining.
Thank you so much for making this video! By far one of my faves.
so youre saying a dentist works less hours and makes more per hour ? dude ....... .
Coconut Mangoes yes dentist make a lot of money and when you think of it they usually work 9-5
This is my first time watching your video and I love it. Thank you Doctor for this important information. 👍🏻
That made so much more sense! Thank you for the video!
Can you go indepth with anesthesia assistant
Can you talk more on anesthesiology assistant (AA)? I know there are states that don't recognize them as healthcare professionals. Currently, there are only 18 states that do recognize them. Is it still worth it to go to AA school? I would really appreciate your professional opinion.
You forgot Veterinary Medicine and Naturopathic Medicine (if thats a thing lol)
ArtistrybyDivya yes! I also considered veterinary medicine different patient population but hey
stephanie same here but I realized I want to go to human medicine...
I am a nurse and I want to be a midwife, but I want to work with high risk pregnancies....to work with high risk pregnancies I need my MD as an OB GYN but midwives are involved more throughout the duration of the pregnancy.....I JUST CAN'T DECIDE🥺😓😭
You are an excellent couch!
Missa McFadden a “couch “ 😂 😂
Omg your analogy on MD residencies and Trump had me WEAK!!!! Too funny 😂😂😂😂😂
Great Session!
Thank you for this video. It has helped me make my decision on the route I want to take and has also proven my sister to be right lol
I have already applied to DO schools this year. And now I’m afraid of it’s outcome. However, I guess it is a topic of concern to bring up during interviews (if I get any) lol.
vanessa rosa haha. I would definitely bring it up. But, as with everything I say nothing is absolute. DO is fine, but you have to execute and perform in medical school to get the residency you want. If you go there and you have success, Residencies will want you
Nothing to be afraid of, but you will have to out perform the MD students for residencies. You can get any residency but you just have to work harder
Thank you Dr. Pinesett! Very informative!
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Four years late....I LIKE IT
Thank you for this! Just stumbled upon this
I love your energy! Awesome job.
The preview picture of this video looks like that one picture of Charlie Day in I think "It's Always Sunny" where he looks crazy while explaining some plot on the white board
Emily Harrison pepe sylvia!!!
Michael Ellis CAROL!! CAROL!!
Anesthesia assistant seems shady to me. Getting a masters in anesthesia and not having to have any clinical experience 🤔 can you please explain more about this? Because what’s the point of even doing CRNA when I could skip the nursing and make 6 figures off rip with being an assistant 🤔 I’m lost about this lol
a w Well the difference is that an AA can't practice on their own, must always be under the supervision of an MDA, whereas (depending on the state) a CRNA can practice independently and open up their own practice etc.
You are very entrepreneurial :) can you make a video on How to manage medical school and a business.
Thanks and great info!
This is gold. Thank you.
Smart & profitable Drs offices run prior auths all the time, Hospitals usually don’t. With Obama care we do have more people insured... reimbursements are a lot lower & rules on collecting out of pocket for this insured population are very strict.
J Hawk thanks for adding to the conversation. I agree about the prior auths, the problem is the independent physician office is disappearing and many function as satellites of hospitals. Have a good day
Great, but Dentists, Optometrists, and orthodontists are doctors too…. There’s a little bit of disrespect there. Optometrists aren’t only about glasses. They are the primary healthcare providers of the eyes. Some optometrists do surgeries just like ophthalmologists. An optometrist can catch a systemic disease just by looking into your eyes or the adnexa.
Very good video. Only time will tell how the md...do thing works out. There is definitely prejudice in the medical community. Right or wrong its true. I'm a do...very proud of my training and profession. The fact is...we are all on the same team. With the unbelievable growth of the do profession, the only opinion that matters is what the patients think. I enjoy working with my md colleagues...doesn't bother me at all. What does bother me is the brakes on my new Bentley GT convertible with 3,000 miles are making a strange noise. I have to drive my Ferrari 488 until I get it back to the dealer in Atlanta which is another pain in the ass. Peace my md brother and keep up the good work with the videos. Btw...if you are ever near Douglas Georgia stop by...lets have a cold beer.
Do you see DO schools slowly going away or converting to an MD school due to the residency merger?
Just what i need thanks from Canada
very helpful video. Thank you
This is so great!!! I've been going back and forth trying to figure out what would be best for my lifestyle.
Jenne Patterson happy to help! Share the video so your friends can get informed too!
Dr. Andre Pinesett: The Pre-med Productivity Expert ! I did! I shared it with my friend who’s applying to dentistry and my friend who was considering optometry!
Jenne Patterson awesome!
Can you talk about Podiatry school?
I definitely enjoyed this, my new subby!
What about gynaecologists and proctologists? I think it's worse than dentistry. That suicide thing physicians are at the top of the list followed by dentists. In terms of rank of qualification, Orthodontist are above physicians and dentists because they are a actual doctor specialist and the optometrist are like nurses and dental therapists but they earn more. I think they study more or less the same amount of medicine like dental therapists and nurses. If government clinics hire optometrists then please be one, it's less medicine and more pay.
Kinesiology PhD vs medical degree of goal is sports medicine???
Thanks for making these videos, Dr. Pinesett, they're really helping me to decide what I want to do with my life. Are there any benefits to becoming a DO over an MD? I just don't understand why people do it if it's basically the same career except you're discriminated against...
That was sooooo helpful!!!! You ROCK!
You’re back on UA-cam?? Thank you !
This was excellent.
the trump analogy was perfect
George Gainor well thank you. I thought it was pretty spot on.
George Gainor and hilarious! 😂😂😂
Great topic!!!
This video is awesome thanks
Glad you liked it!
NPs can practice autonomously in some states though so we don’t have to work “under” a Doctor. I’m also aware that PAs and NPs also work in areas that Doctors don’t which are the rural parts.
I also think it’s more appropriate to say collaborate with or work alongside/with rather than “under” that leaves a negative connotation and is not necessarily the case
thanks big homie im in nursing school right now but I wanna be a nurse practitioner
Great informative video! I found info. here that I did not see in other videos. Ty so much! You rock. FYI models and David Beckham are probably the only people who look good drinking water out of a water bottle lol
stephanie LOL. You mean models, David Beckham and me right?! Hahah
Is there a different email that you answer questions? I’ve emailed you twice but I’m not sure if you answer questions with that email
Leo Saghanejad I’m always slow to respond to emails because I get so many. If you sent in the last month, then I haven’t gotten there yet. Excuse the wait
Okay great thank you for your response
I like this channel I am in Australia. There are no nurse Anaesthetists in Australia
Great advise! I know for sure that my calling is to be a doctor.
I need so much advice
Can you do one about pharmacy?!
Mariam yes. I actually discussed pharmacy saturation and the future of pharmacy in a recent video on my Facebook page. Check it out
Pharmacy is a mess. I am a pharmacy tech now and all my pharmacists tell me please do not go to pharmacy school. First off job market growth for them is 3% over the next tens on years because the market is so saturated with new grads. Also pharmacy school is just as hard as medical school. My ex coworker just finished pharmacy school and she regrets it so much she said she should’ve just went md or do. However she was lucky and smart enough to get a residency so she’ll be a clinical pharmacist which is a lot better than working retail. And trust me retail is a disgusting stressful place to be ..I can’t imagine that being my career smh
In Australia we do not have DO's
We don't have wild kangaroos in the us. So what's your point
Your view of optometry is so tunneled. I would suggest looking more into the profession before "educating" others on it.