Fantastic news. All the dumdums can fund the game by purchasing pixels. If you think they're going to give you a good game for the price of the sub you're delusional
If classic has anywhere close to 4 million subscribers, then it is a huge financial success. 4 million subscribers to literally anything is enough to make a ton of money. 4 million subscribers is close to how many subs WoW had in 2005 in actual vanilla, it was one of the most successful games of all time, and that was after developing the entire game from scratch. The idea that Blizzard can't even break even on 4 million subs in a copy/paste of game they made 20 years ago makes no sense.
It doesn't need a cash shop to be profitable, the monthly sub cost and near complete lack of art assets needed make classic extremely economical to run. The issue is big corporations have shareholders, and shareholders don't give a single care about game quality or integrity, they only care about how much they are making....it's why you've been paying a monthly sub for 5+ years with classic despite minimal needed development and why the CS team has largely been replaced by algorithm bots. The accountants are just squeezing the game dry, and won't be content with mere millions of profits. So yeah, it almost assuredly will have some kind of degenerate cash shop there to slaughter the pay pigs, because there's no way the accountants will leave money on the table.... But it's just flat out wrong to say it NEEDS one. The game would still be making millions per year in profits regardless.
the thing is once there's a shop there's room to include any crap they want when youre foot is in the door you're bound to get in one way or another if there's no shop there's no room for P2W shit
@MikeyJ232 I'd be fine with them banning these again too. At the very least it'll stop someone from whispering me every 15 seconds with "WTS ZG BOOST!!!111" Players need to shit or get off the pot here. Play classic or don't. Stop trying to cheap yourself out of 95% of the game because the brainrot has blown up your attention span.
disagree. people need to stop buying stupid shit, so they stop trying to sell stupid shit. this isnt blizzard's fault, the community made it clear they are ok with being sold something that costs NOTHING, for twice the price of a different (probably better) game. so many problems in society would be solved if people just stopped complying with stupidity.
Im no math guy but I can promise if they made that much money or half that off a single mount there would be a new one every three months and I would not blame them. While I think that they made maybe a 10th of that as many were purchased with in game currency and a portion with farmer gold. They do serve a good purpose rip out stored up gold and make a less crazy markets for new players but more importantly they are going to have to down size the servers and lower operational cost. Ideally, make more mega servers. More mega servers crazier AH prices prices continue or sell more of these mounts.
Private servers have far worse cash shops than anything Classic would offer with a fraction of the player population. No thanks. You guys need to accept the fact that Classic+ will never happen unless it’s profitable.
@@idkidgaf I have played private servers for years. There are plenty of options without cash shops or without egregious cash shops. Either way, we don't have to pay a sub fee to play on them. If there's gonna be a shop, I don't want to have to pay a sub on top of it.
I hope they add the cash shop. Everyone who gets mad about it is just mad cause they're too poor living in their mom's basement to afford an AH bank class trainer mount.
If it means the game gets funded well, I’m absolutely behind it. I would even buy something if I felt like it was going towards a good game. I do draw the line at level boosts/access to different quests etc… It just makes me sad that video games have to please their shareholders first at this point.
Microsoft bought out Obsidian and InXile and many other studios and literally nothing changed on their game budget whatsoever both dev teams still making AA games even under xbox's umbrella. Don't put much faith in Xbox.
assuming anything they sell doesnt actually effect game play like just cosmetic stuff who cares imo if it makes the game better financially to put more money into the game im all for it
Classic Plus cash shop: If it's only things that don't make your character stronger or skip like pets, funny toys (mounts highly questionable, mounts in classic should be earned, not credit card swiped) fine. If they add WoW token and/or level boost, wallet is closed. That simple. Because C+ is a none seasonal server. Makes ZERO sense adding level boost. Let it take time = last longer!
There is way too much copium in the comment section. If the cash shop is added - the boost will 100% be in there. Anyone denying this has not paid close enough attention to Blizzard, or the direction of WoW in general for the past 10+ years.
I would definitely buy something from a cash shop in Classic+ as long as it is convenience/cosmetic and not P2W like the WoW token. Turtle WoW gets it just right: having a cash shop and staying true to Classic. For example you can buy a mount from the store at low level, but the mount speed is altered according to your level. There's also no gold selling in Turtle WoW and GDKP is banned. So no spam in chat which is so nice.
Ah, the duality of a Classic Andrew. Official in-game cosmetic shop to fund project development = bad Paying hundreds of dollars to shady 3rd world websites to fund our GDKP, consumables and mage boosts = good Say what you want about the retail cash-shop but just look at the amount of support and rapid content cadence it gets compared to Classic.
i have to agree. this shit ain't free, you want more shit into the game? fork over some money and then maybe we'll see if they'll take in ideas and the like. what most video gamers don't get that for a live service game to stay up and get more content for it, must buy shit from their shop... this is a mmo live service game in the end of the day. no matter what people say about "private server better" it's not better either. they have cash shops in that shit too. how else are they to up keep servers? ads???? wtf are we even talking about here? to run a business, you have to sell something... to make money. Spend money to make money for them since they are a business but if people don't like something I guess don't buy it? but for people to shun others that buy or spend w/e the fuck they want onto the game is cause they support the game they love where as others that don't wanna spend more then what they spend is 15$ or more a month. To up keep the servers I don't know if I heard right but it's about 200k+ a day just to run the servers up for the game.... That's not also counting on paying advertisement and yada yada. It's a lot of money and people expect to get free shit from just the 15$ a month... TIMES CHANGE GUYS. Think most of these people that bitch and moan about the "cash shop" really don't know how business works these days. if ya don't wanna buy something then don't. keep your money. no one is asking you to buy shit, they only put that shit there if you want it. if not then don't buy and they'll take it away just like the other store mounts.
You framed this video in a world where Blizzard doesn't have the money to allocate to the proper care and management of the game. They do. They just don't give a fuck about us enough to allocate more resources to classic. They aren't getting as high of an ROI. Simple as.
I think this video gives a good realistic take on a cash shop for Classic+. While I don't want it, I would put up with a cash shop if the game gets developed well. No xp boosts though please.
I don't mind the cash shop at all, if it's restricted to cosmetic stuff or services like race/faction/realm changes. If it means keeping Classic going, it doesn't bother me. What I don't want is stuff that can actually affect the playing of the game, to the detriment of those who don't have loose change to spare. But pets, mounts, outfits, etc. don't bother me at all. I just don't buy them. I would certainly love to see more of a crackdown on the bots and gold sellers. It got to the point in Wrath that the only raids going were GDKPs, which means you don't get gear if you don't buy gold. No thanks. It's why I didn't move on to Cataclysm. But that's just me.
Cash shops in subscription games are complete BS. That said, a vibrant cash shop may be what's required to change Classic+ from something Blizzard does to something Blizzard works on. Edit: I would argue that cosmetics in multiplayer games are in fact game play, I also think the token is flagrant P2W.
you're probably right but they need to make the shop have any form of power like level boosts or AH mounts, i don't want a shop but most games now days have them unfortunately it's just apart of gaming and classic + is not a faithful recreation of the 2004-2006 game. I can deal with a shop if that means more devs to make more content but i won't like the shop.
Ya I don’t think that won’t happen at all. Classic + and retail are night and day. There would be no point in case shops with the current graphics in classic. If they update graphics to retail level then maybe I will agree with you but until then no way it’s happening.
OH NO anyway, everything that is not retail is a waste of money time resources player for a fake experience, made mostly for people who cannot adapt and streammer who make content out of talking to the chat and die in the most hilarious way possible to sell on everyone that hardcore is cool af.
More money, more developement, higher % we havee what we need. Aslong as we don't have a million bots and no boosts, I don't see any issues have cash shops, after all all MMO have it now. I Never understood that obsession of people have against cash shop in classic
It should.. because if it doesn't they wont give a single damn about the game and it wont get any care. Not that I like cash shops. But I know the game will get next to no support if it doesn't have it.
There is a large portion of the community that would've quit years ago...if they couldn't buy gold and boosts. People will whine and cry...but so many players have spent money on this game in the last few years. You may not like it, but classic is propped up by G2G and plenty of people would buy stuff in a cash shop. I think your estimates are a bit high @ebon.
HAHAHAHAHAHA BABYS CRYING over how other people play the game lol most of us bought the brutosaur with ingame gold buying wow tokens which cost us under 2 million gold for a 90dollar mount ..... u all cry without any knowledge lol
We can't stop the cash shop but I can stop playing. #VoteWithWallet
no you can't
Play turtlewow np
@@BraveGisgo then blizz will just get pissed and shut it down like nostalreous
@@dgannon4 you saw that epic unreal engine wow classic trailer turlewow released?? Blizzard is soooo mad, useless executive cucks
so many blizz simps defending blizz. go play genshin impact or somethinig,
Lmao right? Imagine paying a sub and then being okay with a cash shop on top of that
@@noonesp3cial I'm sorry but regardless of that, any version of wow is a much better game than that Indonesian crap
Fantastic news. All the dumdums can fund the game by purchasing pixels. If you think they're going to give you a good game for the price of the sub you're delusional
Haha yep
If classic has anywhere close to 4 million subscribers, then it is a huge financial success. 4 million subscribers to literally anything is enough to make a ton of money. 4 million subscribers is close to how many subs WoW had in 2005 in actual vanilla, it was one of the most successful games of all time, and that was after developing the entire game from scratch. The idea that Blizzard can't even break even on 4 million subs in a copy/paste of game they made 20 years ago makes no sense.
It was a hypothetical based on Classic 2019 which saved the sub numbers at the time. I don't think there is currently 4 million subscribers.
@@EbonhardtTV Gotcha. Yeah probably not.
It doesn't need a cash shop to be profitable, the monthly sub cost and near complete lack of art assets needed make classic extremely economical to run. The issue is big corporations have shareholders, and shareholders don't give a single care about game quality or integrity, they only care about how much they are making....it's why you've been paying a monthly sub for 5+ years with classic despite minimal needed development and why the CS team has largely been replaced by algorithm bots. The accountants are just squeezing the game dry, and won't be content with mere millions of profits.
So yeah, it almost assuredly will have some kind of degenerate cash shop there to slaughter the pay pigs, because there's no way the accountants will leave money on the table.... But it's just flat out wrong to say it NEEDS one. The game would still be making millions per year in profits regardless.
I will simply not play it. like i dont play any version of the game with a cash shop now. I dont even buy DLC give me the game or i wont play it tf
They will add the cash shop with boosts in TBC just like they did with 2019 classic.
Aslong as they don’t sell a booost in classic plus idc
This. It's going to cost money to run this thing. So long as it's done fairly - without giving anyone a paid advantage - that's fine with me too.
I mean why would they add the cash shop and not add the boost? It would easily be the most popular item on the shop from the start.
the thing is once there's a shop there's room to include any crap they want
when youre foot is in the door you're bound to get in one way or another
if there's no shop there's no room for P2W shit
Let’s keep our heads in the sand and pretend like Classic players haven’t been buying boosts with gold they bought from a website for years.
@MikeyJ232 I'd be fine with them banning these again too. At the very least it'll stop someone from whispering me every 15 seconds with "WTS ZG BOOST!!!111"
Players need to shit or get off the pot here. Play classic or don't. Stop trying to cheap yourself out of 95% of the game because the brainrot has blown up your attention span.
disagree. people need to stop buying stupid shit, so they stop trying to sell stupid shit. this isnt blizzard's fault, the community made it clear they are ok with being sold something that costs NOTHING, for twice the price of a different (probably better) game. so many problems in society would be solved if people just stopped complying with stupidity.
Exactly. Nice to see at least one person with common sense and IQ.
What do you mean classic+ will have? There is no classic+ and no date on any upcoming classic+ or have I missed something?
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Im no math guy but I can promise if they made that much money or half that off a single mount there would be a new one every three months and I would not blame them. While I think that they made maybe a 10th of that as many were purchased with in game currency and a portion with farmer gold. They do serve a good purpose rip out stored up gold and make a less crazy markets for new players but more importantly they are going to have to down size the servers and lower operational cost. Ideally, make more mega servers. More mega servers crazier AH prices prices continue or sell more of these mounts.
At that point I'd rather play Turtle Wow. They are adding unreal engine and theres no monthly sub
Unreal update got cancelled, blizz got involved
Blizzard can't/won't control the bots, cheaters, RMT, etc. in their WoW so I switched to Turtle WoW some time ago.
Turtlewow has cash shop also.. Idc just as long as you ONLY can buy cosmetics and mounts! Lvl boosts and gold is a no go.
If it has a cash shop, then don't play it. That simple. Plenty of very high quality private servers we can all play
Private servers have far worse cash shops than anything Classic would offer with a fraction of the player population. No thanks.
You guys need to accept the fact that Classic+ will never happen unless it’s profitable.
Play a private server to AVOID a cash shop? Damn this dudes never played a private server in his life.
You didn’t really think this comment through huh
@@idkidgaf I have played private servers for years. There are plenty of options without cash shops or without egregious cash shops. Either way, we don't have to pay a sub fee to play on them. If there's gonna be a shop, I don't want to have to pay a sub on top of it.
Can't wait for the blizz name not to carry.
Its fine with a store, if they remove subsciption. Imo sub for classic is criminal.
WE WILL SAVE SOD!
I hope they add the cash shop. Everyone who gets mad about it is just mad cause they're too poor living in their mom's basement to afford an AH bank class trainer mount.
If it means the game gets funded well, I’m absolutely behind it. I would even buy something if I felt like it was going towards a good game. I do draw the line at level boosts/access to different quests etc…
It just makes me sad that video games have to please their shareholders first at this point.
I don't agree with your validation of exploiting players. Yuck.
I'm not agreeing with the cash shop. I'm just explaining why it's going to happen whether we like it or not sadly
Microsoft bought out Obsidian and InXile and many other studios and literally nothing changed on their game budget whatsoever both dev teams still making AA games even under xbox's umbrella. Don't put much faith in Xbox.
1. Turtle doesn't have a cash shop
2. Turtle exists
I see no advantages of ActiBlizz here?
assuming anything they sell doesnt actually effect game play like just cosmetic stuff who cares imo if it makes the game better financially to put more money into the game im all for it
I don't care as long as it's just mounts/pets/cosmetics, if that means no bots/gold sellers/better game. LFG
You know that will not be the case. They will 100% add the boost - because the boost will make the most money.
Cash shop is fine for cosmetic items just don't add the wow token
As a player returning from 2015ish, finding out /spit was removed because players were being mean seems... Based 😅😂
It was a hilarious situation at the time for sure.
what if classic wow becomes apart of the xbox game pass? microsoft love pushing that thing
Classic Plus cash shop:
If it's only things that don't make your character stronger or skip like pets, funny toys (mounts highly questionable, mounts in classic should be earned, not credit card swiped) fine.
If they add WoW token and/or level boost, wallet is closed. That simple. Because C+ is a none seasonal server. Makes ZERO sense adding level boost. Let it take time = last longer!
There is way too much copium in the comment section. If the cash shop is added - the boost will 100% be in there. Anyone denying this has not paid close enough attention to Blizzard, or the direction of WoW in general for the past 10+ years.
I would definitely buy something from a cash shop in Classic+ as long as it is convenience/cosmetic and not P2W like the WoW token. Turtle WoW gets it just right: having a cash shop and staying true to Classic. For example you can buy a mount from the store at low level, but the mount speed is altered according to your level. There's also no gold selling in Turtle WoW and GDKP is banned. So no spam in chat which is so nice.
No
No mounts, no token, no gdkp, keep it pure. They can throw that stuff in retail
Ah, the duality of a Classic Andrew.
Official in-game cosmetic shop to fund project development = bad
Paying hundreds of dollars to shady 3rd world websites to fund our GDKP, consumables and mage boosts = good
Say what you want about the retail cash-shop but just look at the amount of support and rapid content cadence it gets compared to Classic.
Bro the title or your video gave me such a genuine good chuckle 😂
i have to agree. this shit ain't free, you want more shit into the game? fork over some money and then maybe we'll see if they'll take in ideas and the like. what most video gamers don't get that for a live service game to stay up and get more content for it, must buy shit from their shop... this is a mmo live service game in the end of the day. no matter what people say about "private server better" it's not better either. they have cash shops in that shit too. how else are they to up keep servers? ads???? wtf are we even talking about here? to run a business, you have to sell something... to make money. Spend money to make money for them since they are a business but if people don't like something I guess don't buy it? but for people to shun others that buy or spend w/e the fuck they want onto the game is cause they support the game they love where as others that don't wanna spend more then what they spend is 15$ or more a month. To up keep the servers I don't know if I heard right but it's about 200k+ a day just to run the servers up for the game.... That's not also counting on paying advertisement and yada yada. It's a lot of money and people expect to get free shit from just the 15$ a month... TIMES CHANGE GUYS. Think most of these people that bitch and moan about the "cash shop" really don't know how business works these days. if ya don't wanna buy something then don't. keep your money. no one is asking you to buy shit, they only put that shit there if you want it. if not then don't buy and they'll take it away just like the other store mounts.
im cool with a in game store. just no level boosts or epic gear with stats. mounts/toys/cosmetic rp gear is cool tho.
It funny to me hearing classic ppl cry about a shop. When legit ppl in classic pay to win. But omg if we have a cash shop.
Stop caring what other people choose to spend their money on.
if classic+ has a cash shop the community just needs to boycott the game.
Exactly.
You framed this video in a world where Blizzard doesn't have the money to allocate to the proper care and management of the game. They do. They just don't give a fuck about us enough to allocate more resources to classic. They aren't getting as high of an ROI. Simple as.
I think this video gives a good realistic take on a cash shop for Classic+. While I don't want it, I would put up with a cash shop if the game gets developed well. No xp boosts though please.
I don't mind the cash shop at all, if it's restricted to cosmetic stuff or services like race/faction/realm changes. If it means keeping Classic going, it doesn't bother me. What I don't want is stuff that can actually affect the playing of the game, to the detriment of those who don't have loose change to spare. But pets, mounts, outfits, etc. don't bother me at all. I just don't buy them. I would certainly love to see more of a crackdown on the bots and gold sellers. It got to the point in Wrath that the only raids going were GDKPs, which means you don't get gear if you don't buy gold. No thanks. It's why I didn't move on to Cataclysm. But that's just me.
This video is a perfect example of how classic players are never happy. Guys, just do what you want if it makes you happy 😊
Just play Classic ERA....
Cash shops in subscription games are complete BS. That said, a vibrant cash shop may be what's required to change Classic+ from something Blizzard does to something Blizzard works on.
Edit: I would argue that cosmetics in multiplayer games are in fact game play, I also think the token is flagrant P2W.
losers pov
Why show poe. Poe is free. Cash shop isnt pay to win.
i hope you don't turn into Asmon "who's right about everything" gold... BUT... You're right about this
you're probably right but they need to make the shop have any form of power like level boosts or AH mounts, i don't want a shop but most games now days have them unfortunately it's just apart of gaming and classic + is not a faithful recreation of the 2004-2006 game.
I can deal with a shop if that means more devs to make more content but i won't like the shop.
Ya I don’t think that won’t happen at all. Classic + and retail are night and day. There would be no point in case shops with the current graphics in classic. If they update graphics to retail level then maybe I will agree with you but until then no way it’s happening.
OH NO
anyway, everything that is not retail is a waste of money time resources player for a fake experience, made mostly for people who cannot adapt and streammer who make content out of talking to the chat and die in the most hilarious way possible to sell on everyone that hardcore is cool af.
good. I cant wait
Will I think they need to get rid of the subscription
More money, more developement, higher % we havee what we need.
Aslong as we don't have a million bots and no boosts, I don't see any issues have cash shops, after all all MMO have it now.
I Never understood that obsession of people have against cash shop in classic
Blizzard new blizz anyway, need to remember that only so many apples can be shaken from an individual tree.
I'd spend money on SoD if I could be a night elf mage. However much money they want.
It should.. because if it doesn't they wont give a single damn about the game and it wont get any care. Not that I like cash shops. But I know the game will get next to no support if it doesn't have it.
There is a large portion of the community that would've quit years ago...if they couldn't buy gold and boosts. People will whine and cry...but so many players have spent money on this game in the last few years. You may not like it, but classic is propped up by G2G and plenty of people would buy stuff in a cash shop.
I think your estimates are a bit high @ebon.
Charge 40$ for classic + and have a cash shop without the wow token
So long as all the revenue was separate from the retail subscription I'd 100% be down for that.
A cash shop its ok if thay can take that money to give us a good game for the futer
You born yesterday? In what world does a corporation take your money and give anything but the barest minimum in return?
HAHAHAHAHAHA BABYS CRYING over how other people play the game lol
most of us bought the brutosaur with ingame gold buying wow tokens which cost us under 2 million gold for a 90dollar mount ..... u all cry without any knowledge lol