I was molested as an 8yr old I had the good sense to go tell my mom and the police and those men were arrested I went to court, they went to prison. Praise Jesus. And I forgive them also as I was very hard on me for years but God is good and we were taught by Jesus to forgive. I'm 70 now still loving Jesus.
I was also molested as a 9 yr old & told my mother. Her comment was not to ever repeat thst especially to my Daddy. I didn’t. I finally Tom my husband 18 months after we married. I still wrestle with forgiveness today & I’m 71. God gave me the peace to leave all to him years ago.
I hope you understand that church works with covenants and when you kick out the person God made a covenant with, you're done. I've been saying this since you guys started with all you're doing to the angel that God established on Gateway. I just hope it won't be too late before you understand how spirituality works
Heart broken for all involved, Cindy, your congregation, and also Robert and his family..the only one who benefitted from all this was the enemy..but as always our amazing God will use it for good, help hearts to heal, and hopefully bring restoration where it’s needed and sought for 💔🙏
God bless you Cindy for your courage and giving a voice to so many others. As a survivor of sexual abuse myself these men and their sins must be exposed and held accountable. My abuser never was. Statute of limitations in all states needs to change.
@@mrnice111 I’m sorry for you, that you cannot understand the life changing consequences of SA to victims. I am now 73 and my memories are as if things happened yesterday. You sound bitter, don’t be. There is healing which is a gradual process but is never complete this side of heaven. Our Father is so grieved at such terrible sin that the Bible states what he thinks should be done to a perpetrator. No, we do not have the death penalty for this crime, but there is death as a result. The death of the soul and spirit of such victims. They never forget. I also think there is death within the perpetrators. They most likely have offended prior and will continue to offend. They don’t forget either. But their hearts are seared and cold to their deeds. What a difficult way to live. So there are two victims of each crime of SA. Sometimes the perpetrators is found out and sometimes never. Robert Morris was. He lied and tried to cover-up as also his “protectors” lied. Truth always wins out. Women don’t lie about this, there is so much shame that holds them captive most never tell. But for those that do it requires great courage. Cindy is one of those. I am thankful to hear this report which goes deep into the cover-up. I pray that God will use this all for his glory and that Robt Morris will one day be honest and repent.
THANK y'all so very much for dealing with this tragedy in a BIBLICAL and GODLY way. THANK you...THANK you...THANK you! (THIS RESPONSE opens WIDE the door to THE FATHER DOING EVEN GREATER THINGS TO COME, IN HIS KINDOM! HIS BLESSINGS, HIS HEALING AND HIS KIND OF RESTORATION TO ALL.
I’ve been attending gateway since 2019 and it’s been a gamechanger to my faith, but it’s been impressive being a witness to how this church has handled this but most importantly the wave of restoration that has come over our church, THE BEST IS YET TO COME! I pray for Cindy for her ongoing healing and receiving justice that will never erase what has happened…I also pray for Robert Morris and his personal restoration that only God can do for him
I have YET to hear of financial recompense to Cindy by Gateway. Talk,talk,talk is cheap. The males cannot seem to part with the money due her. I remain disgusted by gateway.
@claudiamello7684 financial recompense should come from Robert Morris, which is likely why they are assisting with a criminal investigation...into Robert Morris.
Thank you for your faithfulness to report and investigate this alligator, I really love rev Morris and I'm sorry he fell in this trap as a young man, I pray for total restoration for rev Morris and his family as well as Gateway and the young lady who was violated ,I'm praying for all.
@@kimberleyclayton6875Perhaps a trap set by Satan. He clearly has been influenced and trapped by a deep stronghold of pride and deception. And for that, he needs prayer as well as deliverance. Ironic how he needs to submit and subject himself in his own series Free Indeed!
I really enjoyed Robert Morris's teaching on a Sunday evening. I thought that the fact that Robert Morris had repented to the highest person about this issue. If God has forgiven Robert Morris no one has the right to question that. It's just the same if someone stole or cheated or got divorced. God sees sin in the same light, whether big or little. If we come to God in prayer and God forgives us. No one but no one can say otherwise because God has washed Roberts slate clean, so who are we to say otherwise. To do so is telling God he doesn't have that authority and that our decision is above his. People need to be careful here, the lady who had 5 husbands, remember the actions of Jesus. 🙏🙏🙌😇🙏
Children of sexual abuse usually end up having traumatic adult lives. So this lady did not have five (5) husbands when she was a young person, not even yet a teenager. what was done to her caused her having five husbands. 12 years old !!!! If anyone ever has a 12 year old in your life, I hope you pray, and hope they never have to SUFFER such criminal abuse. It's time we stop victimizing and demonizing victims. Church, we need to WAKE UP. Accountability starts in the church. Our Savior Jesus is coming back. I repeat, CHURCH WAKE UP.!!!!!
I GIVE YOU AND YOUR COMMITTEE A STANDING OVATION!!! You are the FIRST IVE HEARD OF to root out the problems and resolve it. To help the victims. And to prevent these things in the future. This IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. I, myself, cried out for help for many, many years. I’ve gone to different churches, and NONE OF THEM HELPED me WITH ANY OF THE ABUSE ISSUES. This enraged my Papa!!! He absolutely hates this. It’s affected millions of people. Much blood on the hands of this leadership. I pray this, you, are a role model for more churches. THANK YOU!!!
I have learned that our Awesome God through Jesus Christ is the only true way to heal. Granted, everyone needs a listening ear and a safe place to talk.
Throwing 19% (similar to a waitress’ tip) at global missions is TERRIBLE! I dont know why anyone was clapping. Our mission is to Gooooo and make disciples, not throw less than 20 % of our community funds at global mission and run the other way. Ugh! 🤢🤮 Where is that in Scripture??? Come on!“Christianity” is getting further from Scriptures by the minute!!! No wonder the world wants nothing to do with your religion. WAKE UP!!!!!!
I applaud the church leadership addressing this issue and bringing the results to the public. Maybe previous leadership ignored it but this group did not.
@@palmettonana78 this group didn't ignore it because the victim, Cindy, came public with her story and now the Gateway big-wheels have no choice but acknowledge this and deal with it
@@mrnice111 nobody ever pretended he had any magical anything others couldn't have. Lying bc you don't like this, is a sin too. Best remember that. Sin will take you to hell just like it could him.
@@patwilson7940 they didn't KNOW about it to ignore it. That matters. The ones he confessed to were told it was a moral failure with a young woman. They never had any idea it was a child, or even a teenager. The very few who learned later, & didn't act were removed already. This was a terrible thing to happen. But for people to keep telling lies about what Morris did, or the church did, making false accusations, is just as bad in God's eyes. It is sin too.
@@sandyjuntunen4088 some of the the elders at Gateway knew it several years ago .. they chose to protect Robert Morris and the money he was bringing in
Very good presentation. Thanks for keeping everyone updated. God will bless you all for your earnest transparency. Prayers for you all continue as you navigate these treacherous times. 🙏✝️🕊️❤️😢
Been scrolling in the comment section for 10+ minutes and have not yet seen one comment from a fellow Christian praying for the victim. Such negligence as the body of Christ deters those who suffered from coming forward and bring their dark wounds to light. I assure you our Lord Jesus was and still is covering Cindy of her trauma, and the Holy Spirit who dwells in you, me, and in Cindy will not stop groaning for the effects that the SA left on her. Cindy, I’m so so sorry. No one should have hurt a child in this way, and definitely not a spiritual leader/servant of God. Hurting with you and may our God continue to shower you with His love, peace, and healing.
Praying for Pastor Robert and family. He taught the Word passionately and and I learnt a lot from him and his relationship with Christ. May God heal the family. Praying for you from Kampala Uganda.
@@BamaSu1 Consequences of sins differ - there is no way around that. Do you believe that sin should never be confronted and brought to light so that it may be rooted out, that the sinner would repent and turn back to Jesus? Because the Bible clearly instructs that as well as the verse you quoted. Who are YOU accusing of 'casting stones'?
As true believers should know, there is a world view, and a kingdom view. In the world view, Pastor Robert Morris did a despicable thing when he sexually abused a young child. In the world view, he has been, and will continue to be, harshly punished for his immoral behavior, and from a world view, rightly so. In the kingdom view, Jesus Christ died on the cross to forgive all of our sins past, present, and future, both large and small. If we repent of our sins, trust and openly profess Jesus as our Lord and Savior, keep His commandments, and turn our lives over to Him, we will enter His kingdom, and be judged as to our rewards, not our salvation. Only God knows what rewards await Pastor Morris. But in the kingdom view, there will be rewards, not condemnation. I am saddened to see that so much of the so called Christian community has, with regard to Pastor Morris, abandoned the kingdom view in favor of the world view. In so doing, they are telling us that Christ died for nothing. We must, as true believers remember that we are in the world, but no longer of the world, and as Romans 5:8 tells us: “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” You either believe Scripture, or you don’t.
This is scary! I'm wondering if this is a church or social justice. May God strengthen Pastor Morris and family. May the Angel of the Gateway church revive this church. The Church is marching on.
@@reginaldarimado4032 he refused to participate in the investigation, and didn’t reveal the age of the girl, who was 12. He completely mischaracterized his sin and has continued in unrepentant behavior since. If he was repentant, he would make a public statement telling the truth of what he did, instead he hides.
Thank you for your trasparency on these matters. I have no affiliation with this church but I am thankful that you have had outside investigations and have realigned your leadersip model. I am thankful you have removed people who did not need to work or serve in church positions you mentioned. I hope you will diligently seek out a true bible believing pastor to start afresh.
It’s interesting to tie sexual assault to large church in these comments. There’s also plenty of small church pastors that do heinous things, but they’re not known so it doesn’t get reported. It’s not a size issue it’s a sin issue
Good point. This crime was committed when Morris was the pastor of a much smaller church than Gateway. And it was covered up by the elders of that church. Wolves in sheep clothing can commit any sin anywhere, anytime to anyone. Set boundaries in the church and personal life, especially for our children. They can’t defend themselves. Parents must protect their children at all costs. 🙏😢✝️🕊️❤️
Thank you for your strong leadership in this matter. It hurts and it's deep but you show courage and intelligence. I think you will heal well and the church will go on as it should.
Good talk. If you all don't see an UNREPENTANT Robert Morris (I've read a few comments indicating some do not), you are lacking biblical understanding. His refusal to speak with the investigators and his demands for money are clear signs he is unrepentant. He committed a CRIME and should be charged and tried.
All I can say is congratulations Gateway you have allowed a diabolical series of events that took place through elders and leadership that were heavily influenced by the demonic, to create in you a spirit of fear which has now pushed you to get rid of your apostolic elder positions and to push more deeply into running the church like a large corporation or a democracy. I’m sorry But I disagree with some of this. I’m sorry, but the answer you were looking for is not less biblical authority or less spirit led leadership and it’s also not more bureaucratic government. It’s not the first church nor the last church that has allowed an attack of the enemy to produce a spirit of fear by which they lead with.
Those are signs of unrepentant heart. And if he doesn’t repent when he dies he will go straight to hell. the body of Christ The Gateway church is doing the most in managing this situation in transparency and openness. We thank God for them. When the leadership of the church, conceals such scandalous acts, God’s judgment will be on those individuals and God will most definitely expose them especially when they least expect. To the victims of the abuse, I’m deeply sorry for what happened to you. It’s not your fault. You do not deserve it. God loves you deeply. May the Lord continue to heal you, may he help you forgive your abusers completely so that your hearts are pure and free from bitterness, may he use you to help other victims to speak out and expose the shameless perpetrators as the first step towards their own healing.
@@dianeandjesus what is your standard for "repentance"? A man has to discuss what he did 42 years ago, as though it is an ongoing or a yesterday event to prove his repentance to you????? Seriously....
What about the fact that Robert is a man who deserves mercy instead of being given total judgement. It was a long time ago and he was still Very young, am appalled at the treatment & attitude judgement toward him. We look forward to seeing him again at some other venues where MERCY triumphs over Judgement or at least some kind of balanced responses towards Pastor Robert Morris! Too much more to say about his treatment from you Board members.
Thank you for your example of transparency and for taking measures moving forward to employ checks and balances that make for healthy churches and provide accountability to lead pastors.
Whilst I have loved and been deeply impacted by the Ministry of Robert Morris over many years, I was obviously deeply impacted by the revelations of this moral failure! I “accidentally” came across this review of the independant investigation, and I’m THRILLED with the willingness and openness of Gateway Church to act in pursuit of Truth, Integrity and to be open and accountable - especially with regard to impeccable Governance. I am a Board Member and Director of a large Christian College(s) and everything rises and falls on always being a Servant of God Almighty and to act in highest Integrity at ALL times! Well done and be Blessed!
Same here. I learned a lot by his teaching and grew in biblical knowledge and spiritually as well, and was heartbroken yet sick to my stomach to learn THE TRUTH of his "moral failure" was in fact sexual abuse of a child.
Grateful for the transparency they are addressing this with. My heart hurts for Cindy, for Gateway, and for all impacted by this. I pray for Robert as well… I don’t know the status of his heart but I pray for true repentance and restoration. And for Cindy, that she has peace and protection in her mind and spirit. All of this media attention cannot be easy, in Jesus’ name let her have peace, protection and healing from what was done to her. Praise God for His redemption in this horrid situation.
(Tamara) thank you for sharing Updated information of what you have done and the compassion and hurt suffered you have shared for those who have been abused.💔💝💖 The new guidelines you have set up for your church governance and bylaws...seems would be very good for other churches to follow suit in setting up these parameters for their churches.🙏🏽 Thank you for being a Beacon of Light!🕯💞🙏🏽💞 May God Continue to Heal and Bless All Those Who Have Suffered Abuse and Gateway Church. 💞🙏🏽💞
The whole situation is terrible for all involved. I also thought that his sermons were solid - that’s what blows my mind. I am still praying for all involved, including RM.
Not to mention the fact that after Mark Driscoll was proven to have been an abusive and arrogant pastor here in Seattle, Robert Morris took him in allowed him to preach as a supposed victim of mistreatment. A super crafty spin on the truth!
Thank you sharing the results of the investigation with believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. I am not a member of Gateway Church but I will continue to live up the leadership. Lean on the Holy Spirit, He will instruct you in all your ways. God is not finished with Gateway Church, so lift up your head, and walk in victory 🙏❤️🥰👏😊
@@JuliePinnock Julie… These are not leader ship, these are hired by corporation called a 501(c) three, and they are protecting their interest in this corporation… Don’t be deceived
I am from Africa and I have been blessed by pst Morris messages. I still remember one he taught on hearing God. Am sorry for the abuse, and the victim. But can the church also forgive, just as God forgave us? He’s a human being not an angel. He has ruled well for the last 20yrs. I will forever count him (Pst Morris) worthy of double honour. He is a wounded soldier. We should pray for him to heal and be restored. Same for the victim too. All these people who seem so sanctimonious right now, if God should give the mark of sin who can stand? If everyone past is dug up who really can stand. We are all a product of Grace! May God heal the victim and restore his servant and bless His church even more in Jesus name.
The problem is that Robert Morris won’t even admit his sin, went therefore ask for forgiveness. Morris sinned, continued his sin, took a child’s innocence, and Morris continued to coverup. I pray for Morris and his family. I’m not sanctimoniously condemning him. I’m looking at the reality of the situation. There are consequences for all our sins. So please don’t take my comments as nudging him, other than observing his fruit.
There is evil present when a person doesn't accept responsibility and refuses to be accountable for their actions. When they plot to lie and deceive people to keep power and control.
Sexual sins and Sexual abuse is very Grace with long lasting consequences on the victim. Question --Since Morris founded this Gateway church- correct? Does he deserve separation financial settlement?
I am sooo appreciative of this leadership. Leading in the path of righteousness. I attended and invited family with me to Gateway for the first time in May. I am more impressed that just men can stand up to defend the gospel in a proper way. In my opinion, this call to action is a pruning process for things to get better. Praying for healing to all concerned.
God Bless this church. This had to be hard, and they still did the right thing. I ❤ how the church was so open about what happened, and cleaned house. This church will grow, bc of the stance they took in this situation. May God continue to bless this church.
@@mrnice111 😂.. this is why there are so many issues today, everyone wants to be "right". Instead of being humble and loving, i see so many Christians pointing out who is and isnt a believer.. it gets old! But this example shows how far people within the Body of Christ will go to make point, stirring division within our own.. like something as silly as a spelling error. It shouldn't be this way, we are supposed to be brothers and sisters. ✌️
Gateway Church would not have grown like it did and been able to donate as much as it did if it had not been for Robert Morris. And how did that happen….God forgave, blessed and expanded his territory. The Morris family gave away homes, cars and etc of their own because God was with him. I am so sorry for what happened to the young lady and pray God heals her and helps her to forgive for her own sake. We have to forgive to be forgiven. Bad things happen to good people, but we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. I know this because I too was twelve , now 73. 🙏🏼
I agree with you BrendaGill. Did they reveal where she had blackmailed him for years. The man was forgiven by God and his leaders and Restored. This sin while vile is not unforgivable. He is a victim as well as her. I'm very disappointed in the way Gateway has handled this
I was homeless, got into drugs, went into prisons, then i got to know Jesus, He changed my life.. Now i make 22k weekly. have a home, a wife, a lovely daughter... A child of God. HALLELUJAH!
After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my daughter's surgery (Joey). Glory to God.shalom.
As a young man I believe house churches are the future. There seems to be a lack of accountability that comes with huge churches as they act more like corporations than a place meant to be a gathering for the saints. Gathering in the home and fostering real Christ like community was the way the original saints went about church and it might need to return to that.
the abuse took place while Robert Morris was preaching at small churches, and according to Cindy it didn’t take place at a megachurch, it took place in a house. it’s all about faithfulness to Christ, in little things and big things as outlined in Luke 16:10
I do have theological issues with Gateway but what they are doing right here is what you are supposed to do. I wonder if Robert Morris or those “elders” that protected him are part of the pending criminal investigation mentioned in passing.
I believe we should take a Good Look at Ourselves before we judge pastor Morris. Time to drop the stones! (I’ve listened to him talk about his past sins and repent years BUT, people who walk in self righteousness like to look at everyone but themselves.
I *genuinely* feel confused and would like to hear points of view that may help me understand a differing perspective. What I’m hearing is, that as a 20 y/o, with Cindy’s family and other elders fully aware of what was going on (including her age - past elders did know as stated in this report), he followed the guidance of repenting, being gone for 2 years, and coming back to the ministry restored. Of course those around him should have handled holding him accountable differently (reported to police!) but at the time that sadly was not the case. Should he never have come back despite seemingly following the process set for him at the time? And if no one else has ever come forward, is it possible that is the fruit of his repentance several decades ago? It feels like many feel his sin should disqualify him for the rest of his life but that is not the principle set forth in scripture. I appreciate the structural changes to create more safeguards but I can’t help but wonder about the rest.
I agree. Paul who wrote huge amount of New Testament had been guilty of murder according to his own writing. King David had murdered...to have sex with his wife, Moses killed. The list goes on and on. It stung me to hear of it being a 12 y/o but for Pete's sake, over 30 years ago? People should at least consider the good he has done in this dark world for 30 years. I wonder how much all these keyboard soldiers have done to bring God's light into the world.
I am with you on this. What I am taking away from this is that because he did not publicly say exactly what happened and made it seem it was an affair vs a child molestation that this is the issue. I am torn on this in my spirit as I agree that it was handled at the time. Heart is broken for all involved as it has its complications and many people with strong opinions that create influence as well.
I believe this was a criminal matter and should’ve been handled by the police and local courts first. It appears this matter was either minimized or the truth was never found out fully by the Elders.
Are you serious right now? Even if this is what happened, which is in doubt, he should have never been restored to ministry leadership, more or less founder of a church. He should’ve been turned over to the police. In addition, he lied about it in books and in the pulpit for 35 years in conjunction with hey, small group of good old boys who kept his secret.
@@geraldawana6380 I agree with you about it being handled differently back then. If it has been minimized or no one fully knew the truth, then I would have liked to hear that in the statement made by the church. It sounded the opposite to me - as if many did know and were a part of him seeking treatment.
Praying for Cindy and the church. Thank you for bringing accountability back in the church. Gateway was my second church for years...watched sermons since 2008...praying for all victims of molestation and sexual abuse. Someone close to me was a victim by a family member...he has been healed and confronted his abuser. Much love and support to all.
@@Carol-ye7vw The wife knew. It's all about money on both sides. Yes raping a 12 year old is wrong but the victims parents knew about it They want money.
@@Carol-ye7vw I feel bad for his kids...not the wife ..why would a woman stay with a man that S.A. a child for 4 years.... don't say she didn't know...of course she did...somewhere along the way she did find out and know
Sadly, Debbie Morris knew Cindy's age back when her parents confronted Robert while she was still a teenager. Apparently, Debbie believed Cindy seduced Robert, likely due to Robert's description of events, for which Debbie told Cindy she forgave her. This is not an uncommon belief among those who have the proclivity to commit such assaults. Their demons tell them the girls want the "attention." I do feel bad for Debbie, but she knew Cindy was underage. I'm most angry that ANYONE, EVER believed Robert should be a pastor. If repentance is genuine, you can be restored to the Body of Christ. However, there should never be an elder anywhere who would endorse such a one to pastorship. It doesn't pass Biblical muster. As for Cindy, my only issue with her is why the issue of money ever came out of her mouth. I've been a victim. I don't want you writing me a check! Acknowledgement and repentance cost far more, and there's nothing cheap about them.
@tracieyannibelli9896 Cindy said she racked up lots of debt for counseling...she asked for money to pay it and Robert didn't want to give her what she asked for .. I think they said he offered half that amount and wanted her to sign an NDA that she would not go public or ask for more
Because of Robert Morris i will NEVER watch another T.V. preacher ever again. I trusted this man. My favorite preacher. I can't trust myself to know who is of God and who is a Fraud. I don't know who to trust anymore.
If God can forgive a murderer, (King David), then He has forgiven Robert Morris! I don't know this man, but I find it shameful to drag a human thru the mud when God has delivered him! Cindy, may God heal your mind and heart dealing with this matter, I'm so sorry this happened to you!
King David repented and was forgiven… I debate that King David was not “drug through the mud”. King David kept his secret until Nathan's Parable was presented to King David. The LORD sent Nathan to David, and when he came to him, he said: “Tell me how you judge this case: In a certain town there were two men, one rich, the other poor. The rich man had flocks and herds in great numbers. 3 But the poor man had nothing at all except one little ewe lamb that he had bought. He nourished her, and she grew up with him and his children. Of what little he had she ate; from his own cup she drank; in his bosom she slept; she was like a daughter to him. 4 Now, a visitor came to the rich man, but he spared his own flocks and herds to prepare a meal for the traveler who had come to him: he took the poor man’s ewe lamb and prepared it for the one who had come to him.” David grew very angry with that man and said to Nathan: “As the LORD lives, the man who has done this deserves death! 6 He shall make fourfold restitution* for the lamb because he has done this and was unsparing.”b 7 Then Nathan said to David: “You are the man! The man would not only have been drugged through the mud… He would’ve been killed. When King David realized God knew his sin (and exposed it to Nathan) … King David did the FULL repentance…he repented OF All… In 1000 years nobody’s going to remember what Robert Morris did but in 1000 years should the Lord tarry, everyone will still know what David did and the steps that God took.. and you believe that David wasn’t “drugged the mud”? Not hiding his sin, king David himself exposed it but not without a little heat from God. King David had the wisdom to repent fully ( Perhaps because God Himself stepped in and exposed it… leaving the restoration up to God and not the public officials we have today.) The exposure is not to bring shame to Robert Morris… But to restore Robert Morris in full.. the way God does when He Has been trying patiently to get us to see fully how our misconduct hurts others, offend Him and keep us from fully depending on Him-even when our deepest sin is exposed . There is no condemnation in Christ Jesus… We all need to walk through the valley of the shadow of the death. That can be different circumstances for everyone. For Robert this is probably the valley of the shadow of death… but this is a good place to be and those who love God believe no condemnation towards Robert. But it does not mean that Robert Morris’s actions should not be disclosed to the public. There are many who have used this story to work out their own salvation , perhaps their children’s life has benefitted- in ways we do not know or could comprehend. I still respect Pastor Morris for his good service. But the facts remain that God knew this story needed to come into full light for the benefit of many… You’re feeling and thoughts that Pastor Morris is being “drug through the mud“ is Pastor Morris’ Valley of Shadow - since God has grace on him and us all… Pastor Morris has the grace to walk through this valley of the shadow of death like we all do. When God’s wants something brought to light He gives us the opportunity to repent… If we “repent” partially is it really repentance? Or, if God feels the need for this story to resurface-despite the pain it uncovers for Pastor Morris or his family…Should not God use it the way He wants? We believe and trust God for our salvation, duly, we agree that God uses all things for our good. In closing, you are speaking a span of thousands of years ago with an Absolute 180* cultural difference. King David was a king and nobody could speak against the king… We are living in a dynamically different culture… God Blessed the United States -A democratic country today…we have a voice and we have a voice reason…
Oh my gosh, I'm so pleased that you said they can call the police first. He reveals a depth of concern. I have no affiliation with this church but I thank God the church is coming around to wanting to be right with God. And morning to protect victims. I'm so pleased they took the right side. Bickle took the other side and God knows he's trying to start something again probably as he is done for decades.
I have to add one more comment--I've been a Believer for 50 years. I've belonged to many churches throughout my life. I am female, and I've been consistently disheartened and aggrieved at how seldom women are listened to in most churches. I am very well educated, and still my voice was often questioned against a man's. I know Jesus does not operate this way. For now, I no longer attend church in person. My heart and spirit can't take it anymore. And I have also served in the ministry and ran into these same issues. Let's do better and be better! I'm 70 now.
I feel the same way, I no longer go to a building (church), I really believe that the LORD never meant for these buildings to be where Christians gather, small fellowships are safer people can be held accountable in small groups not in mega churches.
Find a small gathering. Continue to share the amazing purposes of the Body of Jesus. Don’t allow defeat. Keep going … find your place. 70 isn’t old. I hope you find hope in the future and a place to abide with one’s that could be a divine appointment
My wife is 65 and was a teacher for 30 years. Her and I have attended many churches too and we both feel the same way. She approached a young pastor in a new church in our neighborhood. We started attending in 2022. She approached the young pastor and offered to volunteer for womens ministry. This 30 year old 'know it all' just looked at her and said, "not now, I haven't even thought of men's ministry yet" We lasted a few months before we gave up on trying to convince him we wanted to help. He turned out to be one of the most narcissistic control freak we had ever met. We are also not going to church anymore because like you, its just too unbearable to sit week after week listening to one man tell us what to believe. We have the promised Holy Spirit to lead us and teach everything we need to know. God bless you sister
My heart aches for you as a church. I hope and pray that you as a church heal. Also I am upset that former pastor Morris, took his eyes off of God and put his eyes on other things besides God. I believe that is where trouble starts. I pray that he as a Christian, gets counseling then surrender his life back to God. I pray that God heals you as a church and His presence will be felt once again.
@@sonialejeune2650 money and fame does that. It'll make you think you're God. You start thinking you're above reproach. YOU must surround yourself with people who will keep you grounded.
Thank you for your transparency, honesty, and integrity. Sad that Robert Morris still has not been cooperative in the investigation, as though all of this will eventually simply disappear and go away.
What a beautiful statement. Very well done. All churches should adapt this vision. There have been way too many egos in the churches. (The Anointed One). Which intern, has produced very few disciples. God is separating the wheat from the chaff. He’s looking for a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle. Help us Heavenly Father to bring in the harvest and to be a light in the darkness.
@@dianaenos4085 God is NOT separating anything. He left the job of church governance to the true elders The chaff and wheat will be separated in the end.
I am about mercy but the fact that refused to be part of the investigation can only make me believe true repentance has not occurred. True repentance brings true freedom.
It is impossible for us to determine a person 's motives. Let's just pray and thank the LORD that He is exposing evil and that the church has done right thing.
Ty was finally speaking straight today and props to him for leveling with the congregation. His prior two updates/briefs were oozing with the typical Gateway corporate speak 🤮 but it is clear, now that those influences are “out” he seems free and able to speak brother to brother or sister. Praise God for the house cleaning and may the Gateway ministry go in to greater things. 🙏
Yeah, he is not worrying about the 19% given to missions. He is worrying about the rest of the empire, a billion dollar one. It will be more mercy for Sodom and Gomorra!
can I say this, when I hear of these fallen men in leadership, the first thing i ask myself, CREATE IN ME A CLEAN HEART!!!! Where are the tears of repentance, HOW DID WE GET TO THIS PLACE??? THE Lord is judging his church, in which I am a member of the church, I'm not in leadership, but none the less, I ask the Lord God, create in me, test my heart, and see if i have anything in me.
@@williambleckley9058 there is one judgment for the living and the dead… It’s the congregation’s responsibility to judge what is going on and to take action… God has told us through his Scripture what is right or wrong. God has given the ability to make sound judgement to every congregant and to make further sound judgements about the situation. God is not going to do what He has put in the hands of every church member and so called apostolic elder. Passivity and making God the boogie man with the big stick is what got these ignorant but God loving people into this situation in the first place.
@eveelsbury8341 I agree 100%, but you know what? When Mike Bickle fell, these words kept coming to my mind!!! HOW DID WE, GET HERE!!! WHAT HAVE WE A CHURCH, COME TOO THAT WE AS A CONGREGATION ALLOWS THIS? WE AS HIS BODY MUST STAND UP AND SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!
Thousands of mega-churches are alive and well every weekend around the world. The problem here has nothing to do with how large a crowd gathers in a building each weekend. That is a really naive and oversimplistic view of the reality.
@@carlosgardel4927so true. The naivity of the so called global missions. They are giving to a defacto state called the big I country. Don’t you think that is treason.
@@carlosgardel4927 Exactly right. A megachurch is just a statistical descriptor, it doesn't make any quality statement about a church itself but the term megachurch does seem to have a negative connotation. The problem at Gateway, as acknowledged in the video, everything was centered around one man.
Different time, he was trying to protect his daughter. I don’t think we can begin to understand the shame and hurt. Don’t blame the victim or her family.
NAME the people who won’t meet with the law firm, besides Robert Morris, and the ones who KNEW she was 12 YEARS OLD. THEY ARE JUST AS RESPONSIBLE!!!! Please DO THE RIGHT THING!!!!!!!!!
They are basically pleading the 5th. They cannot be compelled to speak, but not cooperating fully with the investigation, probably under the advice of someone who knows the law, looks awfully suspicious. Their refusal to participate in the church's own investigation should be noted for any future position within Gateway or another church they attend in the future.
@stevesmith1493 I respectfully disagree with you. If someone robs a bank, the driver of the getaway car is just as responsible for the robbery according to the law. The point I was making that if people knew she was 12 years old and didn’t say anything they are just as culpable. Sins of omission and sins of commission are still sins! They didn’t do what was right! But I do respect your opinion!
I don't know if the duty to report laws in Texas are for everyone or just certain professions - unfortunately, despite being wrong, they might not have done anything illegal.
@ I totally agree with you. I don’t think they broke any laws. I was just giving that as an example. But spiritually speaking they are wrong, especially if they were in any form of leadership. No one is living in the light according to the Word of God. It’s just so frustrating!
I don’t understand why many believers and church leaders forget the biblical principles of repentance. This incident happened three decades ago. He has confessed many times and preached about restoration. What more is needed? Wasn't King David forgiven?
he has a plethora of young daughters so there is a strong bias towards the victim. Has Robert repented? Yup! How long ago was it? 30 + years ago. I think the way they have handled this as a church has been disgusting. If there is no pathway back from wrong choices you are slamming Robert Morris against the Cross. This church will fail within 30 years. Absolutely appalling handling and when you take the worlds way you get the worlds results, the favour on this church will fully lift. It doesnt excuse Roberts bad behaviour but it also displays a revengeful spirit, a spirit that doesnt forgive and a mindset that says you are disqualified even after repentance which entirely negates the truths of the cross. Gateway will break as they have broken Robert. Peace2robert 🙂
@@peace2u947 Forgiveness is one thing; but Morris should NEVER have been allowed to be in church leadership again. If nothing else, he is a LEGAL liability for the church, not to mention a MORAL disgrace. He should have thought about that DURING FOUR YEARS OF MOLESTING THE TEEN. Good grief! HE DISQUALIFIED HIMSELF FROM PASTORING DECADES AGO.
and as 4 c-lux-ury ur time as PM will cease after 1 term if Labour get rid of Hipkins, the only thread u have to hold as Pm is if Shane Cameron stays put as leader and Labour will remain in the swamp if they want to keep their gutless unimaginative ginger pussycat of a leader at the helm. U have shown no remorse whatsoever Pm, u have knowingly abused ur power towards me and acted in a spirit of theft and deception. Oh and pm i have no interest in ur daughter either, got no time for stuck up gutless, spineless slavedriving false christian political thieves. So 4 Labour the equation is simple remove Hipkins and she's all urs the throne of NZ that is 4 next election and there will be nothing mr baldy over in the blue corner can do about it. He will feel the pain of his abuse as the sliding polls reflect the gutless abuse he has dished up. how u respond to this is entirely up to u and u'l receive the rewards, treasure or penalties u deserve based off how u respond. chow! 🙂
@@peace2u947respectfully, you’re tripping. This has been handled biblically and according to the law (which believers are supposed to abide by). Repentance does not mean you’re exempt from the consequences. If he was truly repentant, he would’ve been transparent about what he did.
This a farce. This guy speaking in the video should not be up there as he is just a errand boy. Morris is the transgressor, why has he never apologized publicly. This is a pathetic joke on the ignorant evangelicals who are being played by an errand boy. As elders this was those jon not haines and Boone.
The gifts and the callings are without repentance . Romans 11:29. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23. I hope at some point, Pastor Morris is restored to his calling according to Galatians 6:1. I understand God will deal with our sins privately, but if we refuse correction, he will deal with us publically. I pray healing and restoration for all who were impacted by this indescretion.
Pastor Robert Morris teachings changed my life. I returned to my local church in 2012 and the first time I came across Robert Morris teachings. I am forever grateful and I believe he truly repented of this sin.
I agree. Robert stepped down at that time which was correct. Correcting his behavior through Jesus Christ before coming back was correct. Robert Morris touched so many lives. Don’t throw the good away.
@@marcianorris5378He should have went to prison, she was a child, 12-14 years old. Yes, you can be forgiven but this was carnal knowledge of a child, prison sentence.
Morris hasn’t repented for anything. That is made pretty clear by comments made here. He refused to meet with the investigators. In fact it sounds like he is trying to shake down Gateway for money. That doesn’t sound like repentance to me.
I also applaud the transparency and bravery of Gateway to do the right thing. Great is your reward. May other church leaders do the same! Dr. Kelli Palfy. Author of Men Too and Speaking The Truth in Love a Mothers Guide to Keeping Her Sons Safe
The message of the Gospel is about grace and forgiveness. If Robert Morris made a mistake in his young years, was disciplined and has never fallen into that again, it shows that he truly repented. No-one is perfect including pastors. God does not disqualify us and hold our past against us.
with all due respect to you and the nature of the gospel of our Lord…a gospel of grace and forgiveness of past sins and every sin….you are missing the point. Robert Morris lied. He never took responsibility from the beginning. God forgives him. Through Christ, people can forgive him. But, there will always be consequences to sin.
He lied and tried to cover it up and then tried to pay her off. Please stop with the "grace" rhetoric. Its sickening and shameful. He needs to be held totally accountable. He profited in his position and now the truth is out.
Lord bless you for your honesty and transparency. I followed Robert Morris for years. His sin was devastating. Lord bless and heal Cindy and your church.
Thank you for your forthright message regarding the church. Have you considered changing the name of the church from Gateway to another name that God may lead you? I don't know how others feel in this regard, but it feels important in my thinking. I always enjoyed attending your church when I was in the Dallas area. In spite of everything, I always felt the power of the Holy Spirit very strong. There WAS good work accomplished, and many people were changed for the Glory of God. A name change is a suggestion I believe worth considering. Thank you for your humility and I pray for you as you walk through the storm.
Thank God for your courage and transparency. God is exposing so much in the church and in our society. Leaders who surround themselves with yes men/women who ignore the rules and abuse power will never seek what’s best for the majority of the people they represent. We must open our eyes ears and hearts and see what’s happening all around us. God help the church and the nation repent and turn back you!
I appreciate the openness and honesty with which this is being shared. The truth sets us free. Part of the problem, I believe, with pastors/church leaders regarding accountability, is that often there are only "yes-men" on the boards and there are no women. Women have discernment and should be included in leadership. I've read too many stories of women going to their all-male boards about their husbands abusing them and/or their children, and they're told to return home and submit. No woman would ever say that to another woman. Let's protect women and free women in the church to be all God has called them to be.
I was molested as an 8yr old I had the good sense to go tell my mom and the police and those men were arrested I went to court, they went to prison. Praise Jesus. And I forgive them also as I was very hard on me for years but God is good and we were taught by Jesus to forgive. I'm 70 now still loving Jesus.
I am glad your mom took action and you received care and support.
@@rhondag8759 Amen. Forgiveness is for us not necessarily for them.
WOW, that was very brave of you for having exposed the abusers way back then
God bless you.
I was also molested as a 9 yr old & told my mother. Her comment was not to ever repeat thst especially to my Daddy. I didn’t. I finally Tom my husband 18 months after we married. I still wrestle with forgiveness today & I’m 71. God gave me the peace to leave all to him years ago.
Brave soul. TY for sharing.💗
Church discipline is never easy, and I really appreciate the way your church is handling this. Y’all will be in our prayers. God bless Gateway.
Mark my word, they handled it so badly that they will end up closing the church
I hope you understand that church works with covenants and when you kick out the person God made a covenant with, you're done. I've been saying this since you guys started with all you're doing to the angel that God established on Gateway. I just hope it won't be too late before you understand how spirituality works
Heart broken for all involved, Cindy, your congregation, and also Robert and his family..the only one who benefitted from all this was the enemy..but as always our amazing God will use it for good, help hearts to heal, and hopefully bring restoration where it’s needed and sought for
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Amen
God bless you Cindy for your courage and giving a voice to so many others. As a survivor of sexual abuse myself these men and their sins must be exposed and held accountable. My abuser never was. Statute of limitations in all states needs to change.
@@mrnice111 I’m sorry for you, that you cannot understand the life changing consequences of SA to victims.
I am now 73 and my memories are as if things happened yesterday. You sound bitter, don’t be. There is healing which is a gradual process but is never complete this side of heaven. Our Father is so grieved at such terrible sin that the Bible states what he thinks should be done to a perpetrator. No, we do not have the death penalty for this crime, but there is death as a result. The death of the soul and spirit of such victims. They never forget. I also think there is death within the perpetrators. They most likely have offended prior and will continue to offend. They don’t forget either. But their hearts are seared and cold to their deeds. What a difficult way to live. So there are two victims of each crime of SA. Sometimes the perpetrators is found out and sometimes never. Robert Morris was. He lied and tried to cover-up as also his “protectors” lied. Truth always wins out. Women don’t lie about this, there is so much shame that holds them captive most never tell. But for those that do it requires great courage. Cindy is one of those. I am thankful to hear this report which goes deep into the cover-up. I pray that God will use this all for his glory and that Robt Morris will one day be honest and repent.
@@mrnice111 truth always prevails.John 8:32
THANK y'all so very much for dealing with this tragedy in a BIBLICAL and GODLY way. THANK you...THANK you...THANK you! (THIS RESPONSE opens WIDE the door to THE FATHER DOING EVEN GREATER THINGS TO COME, IN HIS KINDOM! HIS BLESSINGS, HIS HEALING AND HIS KIND OF RESTORATION TO ALL.
I’ve been attending gateway since 2019 and it’s been a gamechanger to my faith, but it’s been impressive being a witness to how this church has handled this but most importantly the wave of restoration that has come over our church, THE BEST IS YET TO COME! I pray for Cindy for her ongoing healing and receiving justice that will never erase what has happened…I also pray for Robert Morris and his personal restoration that only God can do for him
I have YET to hear of financial recompense to Cindy by Gateway. Talk,talk,talk is cheap. The males cannot seem to part with the money due her. I remain disgusted by gateway.
@claudiamello7684 financial recompense should come from Robert Morris, which is likely why they are assisting with a criminal investigation...into Robert Morris.
@@claudiamello7684have you ever been to Gateway?
Gateway is not a church
Thank you for coming forward with great transparency that is much appreciated.
Thank you for your faithfulness to report and investigate this alligator, I really love rev Morris and I'm sorry he fell in this trap as a young man, I pray for total restoration for rev Morris and his family as well as Gateway and the young lady who was violated ,I'm praying for all.
He did not fall into a trap. He jumped at an opportunity.
@@kimberleyclayton6875Perhaps a trap set by Satan. He clearly has been influenced and trapped by a deep stronghold of pride and deception. And for that, he needs prayer as well as deliverance. Ironic how he needs to submit and subject himself in his own series Free Indeed!
I really enjoyed Robert Morris's teaching on a Sunday evening.
I thought that the fact that Robert Morris had repented to the highest person about this issue. If God has forgiven Robert Morris no one has the right to question that. It's just the same if someone stole or cheated or got divorced. God sees sin in the same light, whether big or little. If we come to God in prayer and God forgives us. No one but no one can say otherwise because God has washed Roberts slate clean, so who are we to say otherwise. To do so is telling God he doesn't have that authority and that our decision is above his. People need to be careful here, the lady who had 5 husbands, remember the actions of Jesus. 🙏🙏🙌😇🙏
Children of sexual abuse usually end up having traumatic adult lives. So this lady did not have five (5) husbands when she was a young person, not even yet a teenager. what was done to her caused her having five husbands. 12 years old !!!! If anyone ever has a 12 year old in your life, I hope you pray, and hope they never have to SUFFER such criminal abuse. It's time we stop victimizing and demonizing victims. Church, we need to WAKE UP. Accountability starts in the church. Our Savior Jesus is coming back. I repeat, CHURCH WAKE UP.!!!!!
@@knpatricia53 agreed…amen
I GIVE YOU AND YOUR COMMITTEE A STANDING OVATION!!!
You are the FIRST IVE HEARD OF to root out the problems and resolve it. To help the victims. And to prevent these things in the future.
This IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. I, myself, cried out for help for many, many years. I’ve gone to different churches, and NONE OF THEM HELPED me WITH ANY OF THE ABUSE ISSUES.
This enraged my Papa!!! He absolutely hates this. It’s affected millions of people. Much blood on the hands of this leadership.
I pray this, you, are a role model for more churches.
THANK YOU!!!
I have learned that our Awesome God through Jesus Christ is the only true way to heal. Granted, everyone needs a listening ear and a safe place to talk.
Thank you for being transparent with this, protecting the victim and not covering it up. And may this man continue to be held accountable.
Throwing 19% (similar to a waitress’ tip) at global missions is TERRIBLE! I dont know why anyone was clapping.
Our mission is to Gooooo and make disciples, not throw less than 20 % of our community funds at global mission and run the other way. Ugh! 🤢🤮 Where is that in Scripture???
Come on!“Christianity” is getting further from Scriptures by the minute!!! No wonder the world wants nothing to do with your religion.
WAKE UP!!!!!!
I’m always skeptical on how transparent a church actually is.
Seem pretty transparent though.
I applaud the church leadership addressing this issue and bringing the results to the public. Maybe previous leadership ignored it but this group did not.
@@palmettonana78 this group didn't ignore it because the victim, Cindy, came public with her story and now the Gateway big-wheels have no choice but acknowledge this and deal with it
@@mrnice111 nobody ever pretended he had any magical anything others couldn't have.
Lying bc you don't like this, is a sin too. Best remember that. Sin will take you to hell just like it could him.
@@patwilson7940 they didn't KNOW about it to ignore it. That matters. The ones he confessed to were told it was a moral failure with a young woman. They never had any idea it was a child, or even a teenager. The very few who learned later, & didn't act were removed already.
This was a terrible thing to happen. But for people to keep telling lies about what Morris did, or the church did, making false accusations, is just as bad in God's eyes. It is sin too.
@@sandyjuntunen4088 some of the the elders at Gateway knew it several years ago .. they chose to protect Robert Morris and the money he was bringing in
@@sandyjuntunen4088the elders knew it for years it was a huge cover up, this is inexcusable this church is extremely crooked.
Thank you Gateway for leading the way for other churches in our Nation.
Very good presentation. Thanks for keeping everyone updated. God will bless you all for your earnest transparency. Prayers for you all continue as you navigate these treacherous times. 🙏✝️🕊️❤️😢
Been scrolling in the comment section for 10+ minutes and have not yet seen one comment from a fellow Christian praying for the victim. Such negligence as the body of Christ deters those who suffered from coming forward and bring their dark wounds to light. I assure you our Lord Jesus was and still is covering Cindy of her trauma, and the Holy Spirit who dwells in you, me, and in Cindy will not stop groaning for the effects that the SA left on her.
Cindy, I’m so so sorry. No one should have hurt a child in this way, and definitely not a spiritual leader/servant of God. Hurting with you and may our God continue to shower you with His love, peace, and healing.
Amen ❤
Amen 💯🎯! I was LITERALLY thinking the same thing and observed such as well.
I notice that too. Peoples unconditional loyalty to pastors/teachers are truly concerning.
@@Sunshine26762 I'd go further than to say loyalty, I honestly believe it's idolatry.
Very well stated.
Praying for Pastor Robert and family. He taught the Word passionately and and I learnt a lot from him and his relationship with Christ. May God heal the family. Praying for you from Kampala Uganda.
hes a peddo
Don’t forget to also pray for his victim(s)
He is still unrepentant and wants money from Gateway! So I hope you're praying for him to truly repent and come down from his high horse.
Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone… Praying for all of those affected. It was a reprehensible act, but is one sin greater than another?
@@BamaSu1 Consequences of sins differ - there is no way around that. Do you believe that sin should never be confronted and brought to light so that it may be rooted out, that the sinner would repent and turn back to Jesus? Because the Bible clearly instructs that as well as the verse you quoted. Who are YOU accusing of 'casting stones'?
I am grateful for your openness and thoroughness. I pray for healing and peace for all
As true believers should know, there is a world view, and a kingdom view. In the world view, Pastor Robert Morris did a despicable thing when he sexually abused a young child. In the world view, he has been, and will continue to be, harshly punished for his immoral behavior, and from a world view, rightly so.
In the kingdom view, Jesus Christ died on the cross to forgive all of our sins past, present, and future, both large and small. If we repent of our sins, trust and openly profess Jesus as our Lord and Savior, keep His commandments, and turn our lives over to Him, we will enter His kingdom, and be judged as to our rewards, not our salvation. Only God knows what rewards await Pastor Morris. But in the kingdom view, there will be rewards, not condemnation.
I am saddened to see that so much of the so called Christian community has, with regard to Pastor Morris, abandoned the kingdom view in favor of the world view. In so doing, they are telling us that Christ died for nothing. We must, as true believers remember that we are in the world, but no longer of the world, and as Romans 5:8 tells us: “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” You either believe Scripture, or you don’t.
This is scary! I'm wondering if this is a church or social justice. May God strengthen Pastor Morris and family. May the Angel of the Gateway church revive this church. The Church is marching on.
Robert Morris is unrepentant and has tried to hide his sin for decades. This is not a worldly view.
I definitely agree with you., There is no other victims, meaning he truly repented
@@worshipinspiritandtruth How about the results of the investigation where there are no other victims, how can you say that to be unrepentant?
@@reginaldarimado4032 he refused to participate in the investigation, and didn’t reveal the age of the girl, who was 12. He completely mischaracterized his sin and has continued in unrepentant behavior since. If he was repentant, he would make a public statement telling the truth of what he did, instead he hides.
I’m so proud of how you are handling this, in wisdom and in truth! Thank you! ❤
Thank you for your trasparency on these matters. I have no affiliation with this church but I am thankful that you have had outside investigations and have realigned your leadersip model. I am thankful you have removed people who did not need to work or serve in church positions you mentioned. I hope you will diligently seek out a true bible believing pastor to start afresh.
It’s interesting to tie sexual assault to large church in these comments. There’s also plenty of small church pastors that do heinous things, but they’re not known so it doesn’t get reported. It’s not a size issue it’s a sin issue
Good point. This crime was committed when Morris was the pastor of a much smaller church than Gateway. And it was covered up by the elders of that church. Wolves in sheep clothing can commit any sin anywhere, anytime to anyone. Set boundaries in the church and personal life, especially for our children. They can’t defend themselves. Parents must protect their children at all costs. 🙏😢✝️🕊️❤️
Thank you for your strong leadership in this matter. It hurts and it's deep but you show courage and intelligence. I think you will heal well and the church will go on as it should.
Good talk. If you all don't see an UNREPENTANT Robert Morris (I've read a few comments indicating some do not), you are lacking biblical understanding. His refusal to speak with the investigators and his demands for money are clear signs he is unrepentant. He committed a CRIME and should be charged and tried.
what are you on about? they fired him, fired elders, and took care of business.
All I can say is congratulations Gateway you have allowed a diabolical series of events that took place through elders and leadership that were heavily influenced by the demonic, to create in you a spirit of fear which has now pushed you to get rid of your apostolic elder positions and to push more deeply into running the church like a large corporation or a democracy. I’m sorry But I disagree with some of this. I’m sorry, but the answer you were looking for is not less biblical authority or less spirit led leadership and it’s also not more bureaucratic government. It’s not the first church nor the last church that has allowed an attack of the enemy to produce a spirit of fear by which they lead with.
Those are signs of unrepentant heart. And if he doesn’t repent when he dies he will go straight to hell. the body of Christ
The Gateway church is doing the most in managing this situation in transparency and openness. We thank God for them.
When the leadership of the church, conceals such scandalous acts, God’s judgment will be on those individuals and God will most definitely expose them especially when they least expect.
To the victims of the abuse, I’m deeply sorry for what happened to you. It’s not your fault. You do not deserve it. God loves you deeply.
May the Lord continue to heal you, may he help you forgive your abusers completely so that your hearts are pure and free from bitterness, may he use you to help other victims to speak out and expose the shameless perpetrators as the first step towards their own healing.
@@dianeandjesus what is your standard for "repentance"? A man has to discuss what he did 42 years ago, as though it is an ongoing or a yesterday event to prove his repentance to you????? Seriously....
@@busietshangela1399there is exactly zero places in the Bible that says you must repent of your sins to have eternal life.
What about the fact that Robert is a man who deserves mercy instead of being given total judgement. It was a long time ago and he was still Very young, am appalled at the treatment & attitude judgement toward him. We look forward to seeing him again at some other venues where MERCY triumphs over Judgement or at least some kind of balanced responses towards Pastor Robert Morris! Too much more to say about his treatment from you Board members.
You all should have called the police when you found out. He needs to go to jail.
Thank you for your example of transparency and for taking measures moving forward to employ checks and balances that make for healthy churches and provide accountability to lead pastors.
Excellent presentation. TU for your transparency. So sorry you have had to go thru this 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Whilst I have loved and been deeply impacted by the Ministry of Robert Morris over many years, I was obviously deeply impacted by the revelations of this moral failure! I “accidentally” came across this review of the independant investigation, and I’m THRILLED with the willingness and openness of Gateway Church to act in pursuit of Truth, Integrity and to be open and accountable - especially with regard to impeccable Governance. I am a Board Member and Director of a large Christian College(s) and everything rises and falls on always being a Servant of God Almighty and to act in highest Integrity at ALL times! Well done and be Blessed!
Same here. I learned a lot by his teaching and grew in biblical knowledge and spiritually as well, and was heartbroken yet sick to my stomach to learn THE TRUTH of his "moral failure" was in fact sexual abuse of a child.
Thank you for being a good example of what to do in a crisis situation may God bless your church
God bless the leadership of Gateway Church. What a courageous pathway you’ve taken and truly a model for the church at large.
Grateful for the transparency they are addressing this with. My heart hurts for Cindy, for Gateway, and for all impacted by this. I pray for Robert as well… I don’t know the status of his heart but I pray for true repentance and restoration. And for Cindy, that she has peace and protection in her mind and spirit. All of this media attention cannot be easy, in Jesus’ name let her have peace, protection and healing from what was done to her. Praise God for His redemption in this horrid situation.
THANK YOU FOR BEING TRANSPARENT WITH THE TRUTH!!!!!
Thank you for being transparent. God can't be mocked. Very sad situation. I am glad the church was faithful. God will bless you for your honesty.
Thank you for the total transparent. I pray for total justice.
That was REALLY GOOD! I pray for your strength and the leading of the Holy Spirit as you move into the future that God has for you.
Thank you so much for handling this with integrity. Please pray for this to happen for IHOPKC as well
I really respect y’all for reporting this. I believe YALLS report
(Tamara) thank you for sharing Updated information of what you have done and the compassion and hurt suffered you have shared for those who have been abused.💔💝💖
The new guidelines you have set up for your church governance and bylaws...seems would be very good for other churches to follow suit in setting up these parameters for their churches.🙏🏽 Thank you for being a Beacon of Light!🕯💞🙏🏽💞
May God Continue to Heal and Bless All Those Who Have Suffered Abuse and Gateway Church. 💞🙏🏽💞
Praying for the victim , absolutely heartbreaking.
This is just so so sad for everyone. God bless everyone and Gateway Church.
What a responsible and honorable way you are handling this painful situation. God bless you.
Even though I was not a member, I thought Robert Morris' sermons were solid. I am devastated and pray for this churches new beginnings.
The whole situation is terrible for all involved. I also thought that his sermons were solid - that’s what blows my mind. I am still praying for all involved, including RM.
Thing is, truth is where you find it. Because this man, Robert Morris has behaved disgracefully doesn't mean that what he taught was wrong.
@nathanmccreery914 true, but who would listen now? If I heard them now, I would be dubious and repulsed.
Robert Morris was NOT a solid Biblical teacher. He manipulated the scriptures to control people and to attain his OWN ends!
Not to mention the fact that after Mark Driscoll was proven to have been an abusive and arrogant pastor here in Seattle, Robert Morris took him in allowed him to preach as a supposed victim of mistreatment. A super crafty spin on the truth!
When a Pastor does this it feels 10X more wicked
God sees all sin equal. No matter the sinner.
We are all equal sinners
Are pastors not human being like you?
Thank you sharing the results of the investigation with believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. I am not a member of Gateway Church but I will continue to live up the leadership. Lean on the Holy Spirit, He will instruct you in all your ways. God is not finished with Gateway Church, so lift up your head, and walk in victory 🙏❤️🥰👏😊
@@JuliePinnock Julie… These are not leader ship, these are hired by corporation called a 501(c) three, and they are protecting their interest in this corporation… Don’t be deceived
I am from Africa and I have been blessed by pst Morris messages. I still remember one he taught on hearing God.
Am sorry for the abuse, and the victim. But can the church also forgive, just as God forgave us? He’s a human being not an angel. He has ruled well for the last 20yrs.
I will forever count him (Pst Morris) worthy of double honour. He is a wounded soldier. We should pray for him to heal and be restored. Same for the victim too.
All these people who seem so sanctimonious right now, if God should give the mark of sin who can stand? If everyone past is dug up who really can stand. We are all a product of Grace!
May God heal the victim and restore his servant and bless His church even more in Jesus name.
The problem is that Robert Morris won’t even admit his sin, went therefore ask for forgiveness.
Morris sinned, continued his sin, took a child’s innocence, and Morris continued to coverup.
I pray for Morris and his family. I’m not sanctimoniously condemning him. I’m looking at the reality of the situation. There are consequences for all our sins. So please don’t take my comments as nudging him, other than observing his fruit.
There is evil present when a person doesn't accept responsibility and refuses to be accountable for their actions. When they plot to lie and deceive people to keep power and control.
Sexual sins and Sexual abuse is very Grace with long lasting consequences on the victim.
Question --Since Morris founded this Gateway church- correct? Does he deserve separation financial settlement?
I am sooo appreciative of this leadership. Leading in the path of righteousness.
I attended and invited family with me to Gateway for the first time in May. I am more impressed that just men can stand up to defend the gospel in a proper way.
In my opinion, this call to action is a pruning process for things to get better.
Praying for healing to all concerned.
God Bless this church. This had to be hard, and they still did the right thing. I ❤ how the church was so open about what happened, and cleaned house. This church will grow, bc of the stance they took in this situation. May God continue to bless this church.
Praying for the Gateway Church family. The Lord will be glorified through this.
Stop putting pastors on pedistals. Christ is and should always be the center.
When Christ is the center, the men of the church deal with injured parties as st paul did and would have today .
Pedestal
@@msegura6372that's your only response here? To correct a wrong spelling/typo when everyone understands it?
Amen. Robert Morris and any other man is not God. Man will always disappoint.
@@mrnice111 😂.. this is why there are so many issues today, everyone wants to be "right". Instead of being humble and loving, i see so many Christians pointing out who is and isnt a believer.. it gets old! But this example shows how far people within the Body of Christ will go to make point, stirring division within our own.. like something as silly as a spelling error. It shouldn't be this way, we are supposed to be brothers and sisters. ✌️
Gateway Church would not have grown like it did and been able to donate as much as it did if it had not been for Robert Morris. And how did that happen….God forgave, blessed and expanded his territory. The Morris family gave away homes, cars and etc of their own because God was with him. I am so sorry for what happened to the young lady and pray God heals her and helps her to forgive for her own sake. We have to forgive to be forgiven. Bad things happen to good people, but we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. I know this because I too was twelve , now 73. 🙏🏼
Robert Morris or any other pastor is never to be given credit for growth, It is all GOD and nothing else.
We can not sugar coat evil deeds.
Nevertheless, Robert Morris SHOULD NEVER hold another position in the body of Christ.
All molester's are perverts! 😠
I agree with you BrendaGill. Did they reveal where she had blackmailed him for years. The man was forgiven by God and his leaders and Restored. This sin while vile is not unforgivable. He is a victim as well as her. I'm very disappointed in the way Gateway has handled this
There is freedom in transparency! ❤
I was homeless, got into drugs, went into prisons, then i got to know Jesus, He changed my life.. Now i make 22k weekly. have a home, a wife, a lovely daughter... A child of God. HALLELUJAH!
It's Maria Luisa Clare doing she's changed my life. A BROKER- like her is what you need.
After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my daughter's surgery (Joey). Glory to God.shalom.
I do know Maria L. Clare, I also have even become successful....
Absolutely! I've heard stories of people who started with little to no knowledge but made it out victoriously thanks to Maria Luisa Clare.
How do I get connection to this woman you speak about!!?
Great job on handling this situation. I'm praying for you and your church family. God bless!
As a young man I believe house churches are the future. There seems to be a lack of accountability that comes with huge churches as they act more like corporations than a place meant to be a gathering for the saints.
Gathering in the home and fostering real Christ like community was the way the original saints went about church and it might need to return to that.
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As it was in the days when Jesus walked the earth and after the resurrection until Rome adopted the church. The home church is what is revival
And why would this take away the risk of sexual abuse. Even less likely to be exposed. The parents of the poor girl didn't know about the abuse????
the abuse took place while Robert Morris was preaching at small churches, and according to Cindy it didn’t take place at a megachurch, it took place in a house.
it’s all about faithfulness to Christ, in little things and big things as outlined in Luke 16:10
No your wroung they don't work look up Amish house churches there is more abuse in those
I do have theological issues with Gateway but what they are doing right here is what you are supposed to do. I wonder if Robert Morris or those “elders” that protected him are part of the pending criminal investigation mentioned in passing.
I believe we should take a Good Look at Ourselves before we judge pastor Morris. Time to drop the stones! (I’ve listened to him talk about his past sins and repent years BUT, people who walk in self righteousness like to look at everyone but themselves.
Despicable comment.
You handled this presentation with humility before and trust in our Lord Jesus Christ. Thankyou. Praying all can press into healing, only in Jesus
I *genuinely* feel confused and would like to hear points of view that may help me understand a differing perspective. What I’m hearing is, that as a 20 y/o, with Cindy’s family and other elders fully aware of what was going on (including her age - past elders did know as stated in this report), he followed the guidance of repenting, being gone for 2 years, and coming back to the ministry restored. Of course those around him should have handled holding him accountable differently (reported to police!) but at the time that sadly was not the case. Should he never have come back despite seemingly following the process set for him at the time? And if no one else has ever come forward, is it possible that is the fruit of his repentance several decades ago? It feels like many feel his sin should disqualify him for the rest of his life but that is not the principle set forth in scripture. I appreciate the structural changes to create more safeguards but I can’t help but wonder about the rest.
I agree. Paul who wrote huge amount of New Testament had been guilty of murder according to his own writing. King David had murdered...to have sex with his wife, Moses killed. The list goes on and on. It stung me to hear of it being a 12 y/o but for Pete's sake, over 30 years ago? People should at least consider the good he has done in this dark world for 30 years. I wonder how much all these keyboard soldiers have done to bring God's light into the world.
I am with you on this. What I am taking away from this is that because he did not publicly say exactly what happened and made it seem it was an affair vs a child molestation that this is the issue. I am torn on this in my spirit as I agree that it was handled at the time. Heart is broken for all involved as it has its complications and many people with strong opinions that create influence as well.
I believe this was a criminal matter and should’ve been handled by the police and local courts first.
It appears this matter was either minimized or the truth was never found out fully by the Elders.
Are you serious right now? Even if this is what happened, which is in doubt, he should have never been restored to ministry leadership, more or less founder of a church. He should’ve been turned over to the police. In addition, he lied about it in books and in the pulpit for 35 years in conjunction with hey, small group of good old boys who kept his secret.
@@geraldawana6380 I agree with you about it being handled differently back then. If it has been minimized or no one fully knew the truth, then I would have liked to hear that in the statement made by the church. It sounded the opposite to me - as if many did know and were a part of him seeking treatment.
Praying for Cindy and the church. Thank you for bringing accountability back in the church. Gateway was my second church for years...watched sermons since 2008...praying for all victims of molestation and sexual abuse. Someone close to me was a victim by a family member...he has been healed and confronted his abuser. Much love and support to all.
The poor wife and family of Morris. So sad world in a real mess. Come Lord Jesus rescue us.
@@Carol-ye7vw The wife knew. It's all about money on both sides. Yes raping a 12 year old is wrong but the victims parents knew about it They want money.
@@Carol-ye7vw I feel bad for his kids...not the wife ..why would a woman stay with a man that S.A. a child for 4 years.... don't say she didn't know...of course she did...somewhere along the way she did find out and know
@shalom968 ... You are so right .. perfectly put and I feel totally accurate
Sadly, Debbie Morris knew Cindy's age back when her parents confronted Robert while she was still a teenager. Apparently, Debbie believed Cindy seduced Robert, likely due to Robert's description of events, for which Debbie told Cindy she forgave her. This is not an uncommon belief among those who have the proclivity to commit such assaults. Their demons tell them the girls want the "attention." I do feel bad for Debbie, but she knew Cindy was underage. I'm most angry that ANYONE, EVER believed Robert should be a pastor. If repentance is genuine, you can be restored to the Body of Christ. However, there should never be an elder anywhere who would endorse such a one to pastorship. It doesn't pass Biblical muster. As for Cindy, my only issue with her is why the issue of money ever came out of her mouth. I've been a victim. I don't want you writing me a check! Acknowledgement and repentance cost far more, and there's nothing cheap about them.
@tracieyannibelli9896 Cindy said she racked up lots of debt for counseling...she asked for money to pay it and Robert didn't want to give her what she asked for .. I think they said he offered half that amount and wanted her to sign an NDA that she would not go public or ask for more
Because of Robert Morris i will NEVER watch another T.V. preacher ever again. I trusted this man. My favorite preacher. I can't trust myself to know who is of God and who is a Fraud.
I don't know who to trust anymore.
No child should never be violated.
I think you mean no child should ever be violated. You stated the opposite.
If God can forgive a murderer, (King David), then He has forgiven Robert Morris! I don't know this man, but I find it shameful to drag a human thru the mud when God has delivered him! Cindy, may God heal your mind and heart dealing with this matter, I'm so sorry this happened to you!
He may be forgiven, but he is a child rapist, a pedophile, he should be in prison forever. He is a sick person.
King David repented and was forgiven…
I debate that King David was not “drug through the mud”.
King David kept his secret until Nathan's Parable was presented to King David.
The LORD sent Nathan to David, and when he came to him, he said: “Tell me how you judge this case: In a certain town there were two men, one rich, the other poor.
The rich man had flocks and herds in great numbers.
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But the poor man had nothing at all except one little ewe lamb that he had bought. He nourished her, and she grew up with him and his children. Of what little he had she ate; from his own cup she drank; in his bosom she slept; she was like a daughter to him.
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Now, a visitor came to the rich man, but he spared his own flocks and herds to prepare a meal for the traveler who had come to him: he took the poor man’s ewe lamb and prepared it for the one who had come to him.”
David grew very angry with that man and said to Nathan: “As the LORD lives, the man who has done this deserves death!
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He shall make fourfold restitution* for the lamb because he has done this and was unsparing.”b
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Then Nathan said to David: “You are the man!
The man would not only have been drugged through the mud… He would’ve been killed.
When King David realized God knew his sin (and exposed it to Nathan) … King David did the FULL repentance…he repented OF All…
In 1000 years nobody’s going to remember what Robert Morris did but in 1000 years should the Lord tarry, everyone will still know what David did and the steps that God took.. and you believe that David wasn’t “drugged the mud”?
Not hiding his sin, king David himself exposed it but not without a little heat from God.
King David had the wisdom to repent fully ( Perhaps because God Himself stepped in and exposed it… leaving the restoration up to God and not the public officials we have today.)
The exposure is not to bring shame to Robert Morris… But to restore Robert Morris in full.. the way God does when He Has been trying patiently to get us to see fully how our misconduct hurts others, offend Him and keep us from fully depending on Him-even when our deepest sin is exposed . There is no condemnation in Christ Jesus…
We all need to walk through the valley of the shadow of the death. That can be different circumstances for everyone. For Robert this is probably the valley of the shadow of death… but this is a good place to be and those who love God believe no condemnation towards Robert.
But it does not mean that Robert Morris’s actions should not be disclosed to the public.
There are many who have used this story to work out their own salvation , perhaps their children’s life has benefitted- in ways we do not know or could comprehend.
I still respect Pastor Morris for his good service. But the facts remain that God knew this story needed to come into full light for the benefit of many…
You’re feeling and thoughts that Pastor Morris is being “drug through the mud“ is Pastor Morris’ Valley of Shadow - since God has grace on him and us all… Pastor Morris has the grace to walk through this valley of the shadow of death like we all do.
When God’s wants something brought to light He gives us the opportunity to repent… If we “repent” partially is it really repentance?
Or, if God feels the need for this story to resurface-despite the pain it uncovers for Pastor Morris or his family…Should not God use it the way He wants?
We believe and trust God for our salvation, duly, we agree that God uses all things for our good.
In closing, you are speaking a span of thousands of years ago with an Absolute 180* cultural difference.
King David was a king and nobody could speak against the king… We are living in a dynamically different culture…
God Blessed the United States -A democratic country today…we have a voice and we have a voice reason…
@ king leadership position in that time was much different vs pastoral leadership today
@@reginaceleste4423 very much agree. Cannot understand why people now make a specific sin unforgivable.
Amen... Agreed!
Morris messed with a 12 year old kid. Other people in that church knew about it and didn't do anything. Shame on that church. God will judge.
What an excellent speaker for addressing this difficult situation. Wonderful that they did not sweep it under the rug.
Oh my gosh, I'm so pleased that you said they can call the police first. He reveals a depth of concern. I have no affiliation with this church but I thank God the church is coming around to wanting to be right with God. And morning to protect victims. I'm so pleased they took the right side. Bickle took the other side and God knows he's trying to start something again probably as he is done for decades.
I have to add one more comment--I've been a Believer for 50 years. I've belonged to many churches throughout my life. I am female, and I've been consistently disheartened and aggrieved at how seldom women are listened to in most churches. I am very well educated, and still my voice was often questioned against a man's. I know Jesus does not operate this way. For now, I no longer attend church in person. My heart and spirit can't take it anymore. And I have also served in the ministry and ran into these same issues. Let's do better and be better! I'm 70 now.
I feel the same way, I no longer go to a building (church), I really believe that the LORD never meant for these buildings to be where Christians gather, small fellowships are safer people can be held accountable in small groups not in mega churches.
Yes! Through so many churches. Not ONE listened. ALL made excuses and told the woman to do better. I do not trust them anymore.
Find a small gathering. Continue to share the amazing purposes of the Body of Jesus. Don’t allow defeat. Keep going … find your place. 70 isn’t old. I hope you find hope in the future and a place to abide with one’s that could be a divine appointment
My wife is 65 and was a teacher for 30 years. Her and I have attended many churches too and we both feel the same way. She approached a young pastor in a new church in our neighborhood. We started attending in 2022. She approached the young pastor and offered to volunteer for womens ministry. This 30 year old 'know it all' just looked at her and said, "not now, I haven't even thought of men's ministry yet" We lasted a few months before we gave up on trying to convince him we wanted to help. He turned out to be one of the most narcissistic control freak we had ever met. We are also not going to church anymore because like you, its just too unbearable to sit week after week listening to one man tell us what to believe. We have the promised Holy Spirit to lead us and teach everything we need to know. God bless you sister
Do not forsake assembly with the saints.
My heart aches for you as a church. I hope and pray that you as a church heal. Also I am upset that former pastor Morris, took his eyes off of God and put his eyes on other things besides God. I believe that is where trouble starts. I pray that he as a Christian, gets counseling then surrender his life back to God. I pray that God heals you as a church and His presence will be felt once again.
@@sonialejeune2650 money and fame does that. It'll make you think you're God. You start thinking you're above reproach. YOU must surround yourself with people who will keep you grounded.
@@phylisswright4847 I agree with this.
Thank you for your transparency, honesty, and integrity. Sad that Robert Morris still has not been cooperative in the investigation, as though all of this will eventually simply disappear and go away.
What a beautiful statement. Very well done. All churches should adapt this vision. There have been way too many egos in the churches. (The Anointed One). Which intern, has produced very few disciples. God is separating the wheat from the chaff. He’s looking for a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle. Help us Heavenly Father to bring in the harvest and to be a light in the darkness.
@@dianaenos4085 God is NOT separating anything. He left the job of church governance to the true elders The chaff and wheat will be separated in the end.
Awesome job of doing the right thing and forcing transparent. God is pleased with the way that you have handled this issue.
I am about mercy but the fact that refused to be part of the investigation can only make me believe true repentance has not occurred. True repentance brings true freedom.
And also making financial demands seems a little strange as well.
It is impossible for us to determine a person 's motives. Let's just pray and thank the LORD that He is exposing evil and that the church has done right thing.
@@KnowledgeIsComfortthis was eye opening and it was a LOT of money
Ty was finally speaking straight today and props to him for leveling with the congregation. His prior two updates/briefs were oozing with the typical Gateway corporate speak 🤮 but it is clear, now that those influences are “out” he seems free and able to speak brother to brother or sister. Praise God for the house cleaning and may the Gateway ministry go in to greater things. 🙏
You have got to be joking. The whole place is corrupt and should be shut down.🙁
Yeah, he is not worrying about the 19% given to missions. He is worrying about the rest of the empire, a billion dollar one. It will be more mercy for Sodom and Gomorra!
@@christinabowling9212agree!
can I say this, when I hear of these fallen men in leadership, the first thing i ask myself, CREATE IN ME A CLEAN HEART!!!! Where are the tears of repentance, HOW DID WE GET TO THIS PLACE??? THE Lord is judging his church, in which I am a member of the church, I'm not in leadership, but none the less, I ask the Lord God, create in me, test my heart, and see if i have anything in me.
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The fear of God had been lacking in many leaders and Christians
Amen and amen
@@williambleckley9058 there is one judgment for the living and the dead… It’s the congregation’s responsibility to judge what is going on and to take action… God has told us through his Scripture what is right or wrong. God has given the ability to make sound judgement to every congregant and to make further sound judgements about the situation. God is not going to do what He has put in the hands of every church member and so called apostolic elder. Passivity and making God the boogie man with the big stick is what got these ignorant but God loving people into this situation in the first place.
@eveelsbury8341 I agree 100%, but you know what? When Mike Bickle fell, these words kept coming to my mind!!! HOW DID WE, GET HERE!!! WHAT HAVE WE A CHURCH, COME TOO THAT WE AS A CONGREGATION ALLOWS THIS? WE AS HIS BODY MUST STAND UP AND SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!
Perhaps the era of the mega church is going away. Its a good thing.
i've noticed that!!!
Thousands of mega-churches are alive and well every weekend around the world. The problem here has nothing to do with how large a crowd gathers in a building each weekend. That is a really naive and oversimplistic view of the reality.
@@carlosgardel4927so true. The naivity of the so called global missions. They are giving to a defacto state called the big I country. Don’t you think that is treason.
@@carlosgardel4927 Correct, it has to do with transparency, accountability where a Senior Pastor is answerable to a an Elder group and the Church.
@@carlosgardel4927 Exactly right. A megachurch is just a statistical descriptor, it doesn't make any quality statement about a church itself but the term megachurch does seem to have a negative connotation. The problem at Gateway, as acknowledged in the video, everything was centered around one man.
Prayers for the victims, the church and the future pastor of Gateway. God isn’t finished with this body of believers.
I'm just wondering why her dad never said anything.
Same
Different time, he was trying to protect his daughter. I don’t think we can begin to understand the shame and hurt. Don’t blame the victim or her family.
Praise God to you men for all you have done and are doing to draw a hard line on this unacceptable sin to create a safe church!!!
Gateway has done an Amazing job with this terrible crime.
NAME the people who won’t meet with the law firm, besides Robert Morris, and the ones who KNEW she was 12 YEARS OLD. THEY ARE JUST AS RESPONSIBLE!!!! Please DO THE RIGHT THING!!!!!!!!!
They are basically pleading the 5th. They cannot be compelled to speak, but not cooperating fully with the investigation, probably under the advice of someone who knows the law, looks awfully suspicious. Their refusal to participate in the church's own investigation should be noted for any future position within Gateway or another church they attend in the future.
No they aren’t just as responsible. Not even close.
@stevesmith1493 I respectfully disagree with you. If someone robs a bank, the driver of the getaway car is just as responsible for the robbery according to the law. The point I was making that if people knew she was 12 years old and didn’t say anything they are just as culpable. Sins of omission and sins of commission are still sins! They didn’t do what was right! But I do respect your opinion!
I don't know if the duty to report laws in Texas are for everyone or just certain professions - unfortunately, despite being wrong, they might not have done anything illegal.
@ I totally agree with you. I don’t think they broke any laws. I was just giving that as an example.
But spiritually speaking they are wrong, especially if they were in any form of leadership. No one is living in the light according to the Word of God. It’s just so frustrating!
I don’t understand why many believers and church leaders forget the biblical principles of repentance. This incident happened three decades ago. He has confessed many times and preached about restoration. What more is needed? Wasn't King David forgiven?
This situation seems to have been handled very well by these leaders. Very thankful for that.
Thank you God Bless you for your honesty 🙏❣️
Props to this guy for standing up and communicating some brutally difficult stuff the past few months with humility and integrity.
he has a plethora of young daughters so there is a strong bias towards the victim. Has Robert repented? Yup! How long ago was it? 30 + years ago. I think the way they have handled this as a church has been disgusting. If there is no pathway back from wrong choices you are slamming Robert Morris against the Cross. This church will fail within 30 years. Absolutely appalling handling and when you take the worlds way you get the worlds results, the favour on this church will fully lift. It doesnt excuse Roberts bad behaviour but it also displays a revengeful spirit, a spirit that doesnt forgive and a mindset that says you are disqualified even after repentance which entirely negates the truths of the cross. Gateway will break as they have broken Robert.
Peace2robert 🙂
@@peace2u947 Forgiveness is one thing; but Morris should NEVER have been allowed to be in church leadership again. If nothing else, he is a LEGAL liability for the church, not to mention a MORAL disgrace. He should have thought about that DURING FOUR YEARS OF MOLESTING THE TEEN. Good grief!
HE DISQUALIFIED HIMSELF FROM PASTORING DECADES AGO.
and as 4 c-lux-ury ur time as PM will cease after 1 term if Labour get rid of Hipkins, the only thread u have to hold as Pm is if Shane Cameron stays put as leader and Labour will remain in the swamp if they want to keep their gutless unimaginative ginger pussycat of a leader at the helm.
U have shown no remorse whatsoever Pm, u have knowingly abused ur power towards me and acted in a spirit of theft and deception. Oh and pm i have no interest in ur daughter either, got no time for stuck up gutless, spineless slavedriving false christian political thieves.
So 4 Labour the equation is simple remove Hipkins and she's all urs the throne of NZ that is 4 next election and there will be nothing mr baldy over in the blue corner can do about it. He will feel the pain of his abuse as the sliding polls reflect the gutless abuse he has dished up. how u respond to this is entirely up to u and u'l receive the rewards, treasure or penalties u deserve based off how u respond.
chow!
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@@peace2u947respectfully, you’re tripping. This has been handled biblically and according to the law (which believers are supposed to abide by). Repentance does not mean you’re exempt from the consequences. If he was truly repentant, he would’ve been transparent about what he did.
This a farce. This guy speaking in the video should not be up there as he is just a errand boy. Morris is the transgressor, why has he never apologized publicly. This is a pathetic joke on the ignorant evangelicals who are being played by an errand boy. As elders this was those jon not haines and Boone.
The gifts and the callings are without repentance . Romans 11:29. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23. I hope at some point, Pastor Morris is restored to his calling according to Galatians 6:1. I understand God will deal with our sins privately, but if we refuse correction, he will deal with us publically. I pray healing and restoration for all who were impacted by this indescretion.
Pastor Robert Morris teachings changed my life. I returned to my local church in 2012 and the first time I came across Robert Morris teachings. I am forever grateful and I believe he truly repented of this sin.
I agree. Robert stepped down at that time which was correct. Correcting his behavior through Jesus Christ before coming back was correct. Robert Morris touched so many lives. Don’t throw the good away.
@@marcianorris5378He should have went to prison, she was a child, 12-14 years old. Yes, you can be forgiven but this was carnal knowledge of a child, prison sentence.
Repentance does not mean free from consequence. Any other person who did something like this would’ve served jail time.
Morris hasn’t repented for anything. That is made pretty clear by comments made here. He refused to meet with the investigators. In fact it sounds like he is trying to shake down Gateway for money. That doesn’t sound like repentance to me.
Question then - do you follow Jesus or Robert Morris? Who is Lord of your life?
Thank you for exposing the truth!
I also applaud the transparency and bravery of Gateway to do the right thing. Great is your reward. May other church leaders do the same! Dr. Kelli Palfy. Author of Men Too and Speaking The Truth in Love a Mothers Guide to Keeping Her Sons Safe
I think this was well done and VERY necessary. Good Job Gateway. Keep seeking truth and the Lord
The message of the Gospel is about grace and forgiveness. If Robert Morris made a mistake in his young years, was disciplined and has never fallen into that again, it shows that he truly repented. No-one is perfect including pastors. God does not disqualify us and hold our past against us.
with all due respect to you and the nature of the gospel of our Lord…a gospel of grace and forgiveness of past sins and every sin….you are missing the point. Robert Morris lied. He never took responsibility from the beginning. God forgives him. Through Christ, people can forgive him. But, there will always be consequences to sin.
@@Nancybelongs2JesusThank you!!!
He lied and tried to cover it up and then tried to pay her off. Please stop with the "grace" rhetoric. Its sickening and shameful. He needs to be held totally accountable. He profited in his position and now the truth is out.
Lord bless you for your honesty and transparency. I followed Robert Morris for years. His sin was devastating. Lord bless and heal Cindy and your church.
Praying for Pastor Morris and his family.
I am too. It is so cruddy when you see your wretchedness. Thank God, Jesus died and cleansed us from all unrighteousness.
How about Cindy? Are you praying for her?
Thank you for your transparency well done & very hard..Praying🙏
thank you church leadership for your transparency!!!! so many religious organizations try to cover up, pay off and hush the truth…
Thank you for your forthright message regarding the church. Have you considered changing the name of the church from Gateway to another name that God may lead you? I don't know how others feel in this regard, but it feels important in my thinking. I always enjoyed attending your church when I was in the Dallas area. In spite of everything, I always felt the power of the Holy Spirit very strong. There WAS good work accomplished, and many people were changed for the Glory of God. A name change is a suggestion I believe worth considering. Thank you for your humility and I pray for you as you walk through the storm.
After 17 years I left a church 2 years ago because it became a one man show. I brought up the problem with the pastor but he didn't care.
Was he the "show"man?
Good. Praise God for it.
Thank God for your courage and transparency. God is exposing so much in the church and in our society. Leaders who surround themselves with yes men/women who ignore the rules and abuse power will never seek what’s best for the majority of the people they represent. We must open our eyes ears and hearts and see what’s happening all around us. God help the church and the nation repent and turn back you!
no doubt Morris has lawyered up
well done in your handling of the situation to transparently. Sad that Robert did this Love his teachings
I appreciate the openness and honesty with which this is being shared. The truth sets us free. Part of the problem, I believe, with pastors/church leaders regarding accountability, is that often there are only "yes-men" on the boards and there are no women. Women have discernment and should be included in leadership. I've read too many stories of women going to their all-male boards about their husbands abusing them and/or their children, and they're told to return home and submit. No woman would ever say that to another woman. Let's protect women and free women in the church to be all God has called them to be.
What a perfect message. You will go on. Stronger and brighter light for God.