2016 VW Golf R vs 2016 Subaru WRX STI
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- 2016 VW Golf R vs 2016 Subaru WRX STI
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Comparing the 2016 Golf R to the 2016 Subaru WRX STI. The Golf R features a 2.0L turbocharged I4 engine producing 292 HP and 280 lb-ft of torque, while the STI features a 2.5L boxer 4 cylinder producing 305 HP and 290 lb-ft of torque. The Golf R is a practical hatch with plenty of cargo space, and refined both on and off the road. The STI features an AWD system capable of putting the power down better, through multiple LSDs, a rear torque bias, and a front helical limited slip differential as well as a rear Torsen differential.
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"I bought a Subaru for its great fuel economy"
Said no Subaru owner ever
haha right
"I bought a VW for its honest emissions"
Said no VW owner ever
my 17 wrx gets 36 mpg on the highway. thats me cruising at 75... i get 390-415 miles on a full tank thats combined hwy and city. but i usually drive it hard so i average 25 mpg
@@inspired7220 defensive much?? lol no one ever talks about the honesty of their cars' emissions. And most people do not have the diesel anyway.
Lol cause they can’t say it
8:18
"Neither of these problems really have that issue"
-Engineering Explained, 2016
Came expecting a biased review from a Subie fan...left surprised. Well done.
+Deutsche Auto Parts just honest opinions. I think the STI is a much better car than the Evo, but since I own one people find that comparison to be "biased." I try to keep points objective rather than subjective. The Golf R is hands down a better daily, but they are both wicked fun in the corners!
Yup the MK7 is the first VW to compete with Subaru in the performance arena. All previous generations got blown away.
You just gained a subscriber from this review, I love when reviewers arent fanboys about a certain brand.
The rear hatch lever built in to the badge on the VW is awesome, I hadn't seen that before. When VW engineers aren't making emissions defeat devices they make some cool stuff.
Every other manufacturer has created, used, and lied about, emissions defeating hardware and software. Literally, every other manufacturer. All of them.
@@danstalter and when they aren’t creating cheat devices they probably also make some cool stuff.
Personally, I would go for the Subaru. Better aero-dynamics, permanent AWD and more badass look ! :)
+Gaco Bacov I believe the Golf actually has better aero (lower drag coefficient), or they're very similar.
but don't forget that drag coefficient isn't everything in aerodynamics, even if they have the same drag coefficient the STI should have better downforce with its massive wing.
+Vegaspsycho yeah that would be better for that 1 minute of the total time you own the car that you're going over 150.
tdawg719 True that, lol. I know that it's a factory wing and doesn't really make any difference when driving around under the speed limit. But I was just trying to say that a better drag coefficient doesn't necessarily make it a better car aerodynamically. Just look at the streamlined cars from the '30's, they had lower drag coefficients then modern cars but were unstable and unsafe at high speeds. Of course aerodynamics probably wasn't strictly to blame with old tire compounds and suspension designs.
The new golf r does have perma 4wd. They changed it.
A consideration that you're not mentioning - if you live in a place where it snows regularly in the winter, that subaru AWD is pretty nice. It means you can leave your all season tires on and make it through the snow to your destination.
With that Golf R, you're gonna be putting winter tires on, when it comes time for winter.
+opl500 Somewhat. Winter tires will always have better cornering and braking in the snow, doesn't matter if the car is awd or not. The STI will have better traction for accelerating, but stopping is just as important.
Engineering Explained
Getting stuck in snow isn't fun, especially if you're on a country road with little traffic.
but idk about where you live but where i do ( quebec, canada) all season tires aren't legal in winter you must have winter tires
He is comparing two AWD vehicles in this video
Hold on... the Golf R also has AWD, doesn't it?
I was 100% sure I was going to get the golf r but then it snowed where I live and I was really appreciating my current Subarus all wheel drive system, so now I think I'm going to get the STI instead. Subaru all wheel drive is just so confidence inspiring, and I don't want to lose that.
As an owner of an STI, it's good that you aren't completely biased towards the STI. I own a 2016 STI, and compared to this Golf R, I don't regret my decision at all. I'm sure it's more comfortable, it's seem like the interior is much quieter, and I'm sure the materials are nicer. However, I know the STI will be more fun to drive, in my opinion. Also, I do most of my own maintenance and a Japanese car is so much easier than a German car. The Golf is also very ugly. I would be sad every time I walk away from my car and look back.
So you Like Cars that have big WINGS... And you like STI Engines that only last for 30-50k Then its great choice for you!!
Amel Karic The engine only lasts 30-50k? Where do you get those figures from? Why would Subaru warranty them for 60k miles then? Subaru must be losing so much money! I guess all of the STI's that have over 100,000 miles are just lying. How about you learn real facts before spewing out your ridiculous "facts"
+binyamj omg u just absolutely wrecked that kid😂 I live in Australia and there are bloody Subaru's from 1994 with 340,000k's on them and they are still running fine. Dont believe me? Look it up on gumtree for lowest price Subaru Impreza
I appreciate that this is just a pure review of performance and drive-ability. However, after having owned a base model 2012 VW Tiguan S that I bought new in 2011 (which has a 6-speed manual with same engine as the GTI), I can guarantee I will never own another VW. At 40k, the water pump failed. At around 45k, I got a CEL where VW had to completely change out the intake manifold. And at 60k, the high pressure fuel pump failed, and the VW is starting to run rough - possibly from carbon build-up. Finally, whenever I'm driving over the pass and try to use the washer nozzles in cold weather (like going over the mountain pass and get sprayed with slush), if the nozzles are frozen, a fuse will burn up and I will no longer be able to lock my car doors. An issue that I never had with my old Subaru WRX and STI.
And on a side note - the Tiguan is the only car that VW sells in the US that's still made in Germany (not sure about the R), so they can't even use the "it's made in Mexico" excuse. All Tiguans are imported from Germany through the Port of Houston, TX.
The Golf R may very well be a top pick in terms of pure performance and drive-ability. But for reliability, I will not even consider the R or any other VW. The company simply hasn't figured out how to build a reliable car yet, and they put way too much electronics in theirs. If you want to spend your free time in the waiting room of a dealership instead of driving, buy a VW. I wish VW had it figured out, but they simply don't. My '88 Jetta was an amazing, trouble-free car, but of course, that was before VW crammed tons of electronics in their cars.
Two clarifications:
1-- the variable steering rack in the Golf R is not "active" aka it does not vary based on sensors, vehicle speed or anything like that. The outer ends of the rack have different tooth spacing that gets progressively quicker at the ends. So the more steering lock you add, the faster the ratio becomes.
2-- helical and Torsen are the same technology
+o362436o fascinating about the steering rack, thanks for sharing. Torsen and helical act similarly, but accomplish it in different ways. They are certainly different diffs.
+Engineering Explained
Could you elaborate? My understanding is that Torsen - at least the T2 and T3 generations - uses helical gears just like.. well.. a helical diff. The newest torsens and their spin-offs use planetary gears.. is this the difference you are referring to? What else am I missing?
I own a 2013 STi Limited. If I were to be buying a 40k car today, I would go with the R over the STi.
With that money, id go with the focus rs
even on paper it's not as fast as the R. The interior quality is objectively inferior.
To each their own, but I stand by my choice :p
i had my friends gold R for a week, i drive an STI myself and i can honestly say the golf R is better in almost every single way except for going round the bends. stock im talking about. interior wise the golf is streets ahead. but the biggest thing that i was surprised about was the DSG gearbox in the golf. I'll always go for subarus though because of the aftermarket support its massive. nice review btw and thank u for the video
Just throwing this out there, there is a very large aftermarket for VW as well. Particularly for the GTI and Golf R.
Very true VW does have a big aftermarket community but i think Subaru's are just more known.
***** lol i feel u, a lot of college kids have them where i live, doesnt feel as unique as an STI to me
Pakman332 i just assumed that this new gold R would be a bit tricker to tune because its based on a new platform no? i dont really know enough about the aftermarket for these new ones. sorry for my ignorance lol
+UgenixK There are several companies that offer stage 1 and 2 tunes for the new R. The GTI can be upgraded to the golf R turbo (is38) and tuned for that. There are likely bug turbo tunes as well, but I own a mk6 not a mk7 so I'm not fully aware of the more hardcore stuff for this platform.
can we have a "that said" counter in the bottom left hand corner please
Sergey Suckmeoff he’s doing a comparison video...
I tossed up the thought of the STi or Golf R. Drove them both. The VW is hands down better. Fast and comfortable. For the similar money you would always lean towards the better interior and bells and whistles. That's why i just got a 2016 Golf R Manual. And i love it.
just picked up one as well. Lapis blue manual with DCC. will be posting plenty of videos of it in the near future! congrats on yours !
carfreak493 Thanks. You made a wise decision. Did you try the DSG?
+chris s (christo351) had a dsg mk6 Gti before it. Loved it besides being clunky in traffic. Also driven a few mk7 Gtis with the dsg. They are so easy to drive quickly! Wanted a manual tho and love it!
+carfreak493 Bruh ! I drive a 2016 Stage 1 APR Golf R with MM inserts and Of course full CF APR intake next will be my AWE exhaust build with interior Switch
(SwitchPath) than stage 2 bottom line I haven't lost against and STI or EVO yet let alone an M3 lol Golf R MK7 owns in every category for the money ! very proud owner #Salute
John Cena. Wise decision bro.
Drinking game: take a shot every time he says "that said"
LET'S GO STREAKING!!!!
The fuel economy difference between these 2 are astonishing and speaks to the fact that the STi's engine is very outdated. Why hasnt Subaru bothered to update the 2.5T or adopt a more powerful 2.0T?
I agree, and my guess is that Subaru doesn't have the R&D budgets of VW, sadly
+Liviu Pavel the STi is a WRX on steroids. Its superior in almost every way, yet their very similar. Imo, all they have to is apply the same upgrades to the 2.5L STi engine. If its too costly, cut the STi from the lineup or tweak the 2.0T from the WRX to make more power. The suspension and drivetrain of the STi can remain unchanged.
There is a reason why Subaru have kept the same engine for 20+ years. Also, they have develped the new FA20 boxer engine which i think can be found in the new 2015-2016 WRX. Plus, why would they want to change the EJ engine if it is such a good engine? The engine is designed for rallying and if youu look at Subaru's history this engine is actually pretty successful for what it is built for. But that is history and it's 2016 now so there must be some ways of getting better fuel economy
You also have to remember that the STI is labelled as a PERFORMANCE car, not a green, economical car. You don't buy a ferrari to save fuel and be green
i agree as well with all the advances in fuel economy even in super duty trucks, subaru should shift interest into creating better fuel economy with the same power output. theoretically this wouldnt be too difficult
The Golf R AWD is front wheel drive bias. But, it still functions well for slippery situations for bad weather and performance situation where the rear axle partially engages or torque vectoring.
I think this is because the Golf R is really just a super boosted Golf with an AWD. The STI AWD system functions more like an Audi, though. Unlike the Golf R., Audi AWD is always split between the rear/front wheels, with RWD bias.
Even though I drive a Subaru I would choose the VW. It looks better and the interior is much nicer. Plus just doing simple maintenance like spark plugs is easier than the Subaru.
Braking based torque vectoring is terrible for a performance car. It basically destroys your power and holds your car back. If you want to save tires on a daily, it does the job. But it cuts so much power than you basically don't accelerate much when it kicks in.
We know who wins emissions...right Volkswagon? *wink* *wink*
bahaha. nice
right, it wins.
Lol funny. You spelled Volkswagen wrong btw cheers mate :D
that car is NOT a diesel. and i am fun at parties.
Right because THAT affects how much fun to drive it is. (These are not economy cars)
I currently own an S3 with the dsg. It is a good comfortable car, but when you have owned 3 sti's before , you find the automatic S3 as dull as a monk having a tea. I m planning a return to a true sporty 4door sedan/hatch with a rewarding stick shift box. Sti or R manual. Keep autos for oldsmobiles and vans
such a good youtuber. nice job with these videos I love the way you break everything down in a way the average guy like me can understand
Both look fun!..just afraid of carbon deposits from VW's direct injection system.
A lot of people compare these two cars based on their day-one performance but what about reliability? These are performance cars that are presumably driven hard. The knock on the EJ for age is also a "pro" in a sense as it is clearly tested and proven. Will the R stand up to the same levels of abuse as the STI? Day-one comparison is a good starting point but how do these two cars stack up after 20 track days?
Thanks for your video -- keep up the good work.
It's a bummer that you did not review the DCC R. The adjustable dampers make a big difference. I really enjoyed your review. After owning both the previous and current gen WRX I swapped out to a Golf R back in November and absolutely love the car. If Subaru co Es out with an STI hatch in the future with a newer and better engine I might be interested in Subaru again. But the VW refinement has really won me over..
"If you don't really care about the joy of driving a manual..."
😂🤣 Brotha you are FLAMING automatic transmissions! (And I completely agree)
It's funny as I'm from the UK so spent all my driving life using manuals and I used to feel sorry for guys stuck with shitty automatics. We no longer have shitty automatics and my next car will be DSG as I cannot change in 8 milliseconds. Manual transmission may be slightly more romantic but it's 2019. :)
He's also driving at 55mph
If milliseconds are among your priorities for transmission then you were _never_ part of the manual enthusiast crowd
Well done on staying unbiased! I would never have been able to make that comparison.
I was in a similar situation but ultimately decided on the Subi since long-term reliability for the Golf is really questionable.
I'm talking about long-term reliability. All of those cars you listed are about ~5 years old or less.
+Matthew Artelt Well as you probably heard Volkswagen lied to the whole world about their emissions of certain vehicles, so I wouldn't really fully trust them about the reliability of their vehicles
No regrets!
Same here :)
Same :D
I own a gti tho but still an amazing car!
Same :-)
Great comparison! I'd go Subaru of course but the Golf R seems really nice too. Really want to drive one of these new ones!
If you ever come to California you can drive mine!
"heyeveryoneit'ssubaruwrxfanhere"
I love your in-depth reviews!! Waiting on one for the Golf R :)
reason to go for subaru..
DIESEL GATE ..
VW should have perma trade embargo's and should really just be shut down.
You know that would be the end of: Audi, Bentley, Porsche, Bugatti, Skoda, Man, Scania and others. Its really not good for VW to be shut down. You would regret wanting that.
As someone who will be replacing his jetta TDI, I appreciate this video.
The VW just pulls Soo hard through the whole gear. The feeling on the sti is better. But I think the golf wins because I like the tuned reliability, just all around more fun to modify to me.
Most important thing is though, if VW dies a horrible death as a company tomorrow, I wouldn't shed a tear and if Subaru died as a company, I would honestly cry a little bit.
Vw won't die and they have a lot of money. Porsche and Audi are also making them a lot of money.
Ryan B
I know, it's the sad state of affairs right now.
I wouldn't care about Subaru..
If you actually dyno both these cars the golf r has better results. So yes the golf r has more power and more early on torque. Golf r handles better, it was like a 2 min track and was ahead by 2 seconds. So yes the golf r is a better daily driver and a better track car lol!
aaahahaha dsg "if you want the fastest but dont care about the joy of driving"
New WRX takes them both at a 26k base price point compared to 35-38.. Alot of extra cash for upgrades too.
The steering in the Golf does not change based on the speed, but it is changing throughout the turning, turning the wheels quicker the further you turn the steering wheel ( resulting in about 1 turn less from full right to full left)
Dsg is VWs trump card. It’s just the best transmission in its class. Idk why VW is the only one that puts a dct on their hot hatches. They’re meant to be fast and fun practical cars, and a dct seems like an obvious option to put, since people want to daily drive these things, and tbh manuals are annoying in rush hour traffic.
I'm feeling like leaving my comment below :) Very detailed and interesting review. You talk about things that noone does in other video reviews (e.g. gear ratios, types of differentials). Great material - engineer's point of view. Kudos!
Hence the name of the channel engineering explained lol
Jason, engineering explained is easily the best UA-cam channel I have personally come across in ages. thank you so much for making it so.
+kcwalkman I really appreciate that, thank you!
Im Italian and i really enjoy watching your videos but id really appreciate if you can give the car information even in kilos, newton per meter and so on... Ill be even grateful if you put them in the description of the video! Thx in advance! :)
Italian or from any country in green on this map:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_system#/media/File:Metric_system_adoption_map.svg
+David F when you'll post the same answer named as "engineering explained" i will do as you say... But until then... Bye :)
Do the conversion every time and you'll see how it affects the overall experience of the video. It gets annoying real quick.
+Iñaki Silanes thx inaki :) at least you are surely more useful than David... Ill be wrong... But when i compared the datas of the miata i found different values... Such as in power measure and weight...
+Kaisuke971 that's because i wrote "even in the description" :)
"if you don't care about the joy of driving that comes along with a manual transmission". couldn't have said it better myself. who cares if the auto is slightly quicker, it's so less pleasurable to actually own and drive. 3 pedals for life.
hands down, such an good comparison, factual, unbiased, no bulls..t
You would be great on motorcycle reviews, that industry lacks people like you!
I love the subaru wrx and wrx sti buttttttt that fin tho >.< God it's so stupid looking. I have a 2015 wrx and I love it. when it snows I go for joy rides because the handling is incredible
I liked the review and think you are not biased at all, but as someone who watches car reviews a lot on YT, being a comparison video, I wish it would have included real world track performance. I see you make videos about how to launch a car, so why not bring them both to a track and actually show us which one is faster on a 0-60 and quarter mile? I understand that these might be brand new cars, and you don't own them, but i'd still love to see more of the "umph" come out, such as exhaust sounds, launches, even internal cabin quality, which I would give to the Golf R hands down... Love your videos and just giving my opinions. :)
Basically if you vape, buy the Sti. Well have your parents buy it. If you're an adult, get the R.
Joey Thomas lol
What are your thoughts on the Levorg vs wrx for everyday car and potential modifications?
The new Focus RS is a legit car. Between it and the Golf R, I see little reason to get an STi. Those are both made in Germany, unlike their siblings, too! One downside (bring the hate) Ford offered no DCT. It would be extremely quick to 60 and close to the A45 AMG.
I love these reviews you do. However, there is one category that you miss, and that is serviceability. I like to do all the work on my cars myself so I am always interested in how easy or difficult it is to do both routine maintenance and more advanced servicing. Do you have to pull half the engine apart to get at the spark plugs? Does this car require a bunch of "special" tools to do anything?
I've always thought that the Golf R was the better car among the two.
Until I hear it uses brakes to mimic lsd...
And then the focus RS puts both of them to shame.
With it's overheating driveline on track or worse quality ride and interior on the road ? Well i'm half joking but those two things are worth pointing out.
Civic type r👀
+Rentta money has to go to the 335 horses
Well by the looks of it you need to pay lot of markup on it and much less for sti or golf so you could probably buy golf r and apr tune for it for same price.
They are definitely worth mentioning. I really wanted the RS but with dealer mark up and the fact that ford has shipped the car pretty much at its limits, I couldn't justify buying it. I preordered a 2017 sti instead :D
I'll take the Golf R over the Econo Box any day, better refinement, nicer interior and better daily!
The Golf has a better mpg than the sti, and its a hatch??? Thats the true econbox
+Fahrudin Alic All your doing is proving point more the Golf is the better car you fanboy lmao. The shitty gas mileage from the STI and crap interior makes it worse
+Fahrudin Alic Lmao just admit the Golf is better
I like them both but yeah... Golf r hands down for a daily. Probably a lot more reliable too.
+Carl Manney that's not a fact
I haven't driven an R, but they look mint, my mates GTi was cool but I think you can't beat the rawness of the STi and that handling in bends, no car i've ever driven has such good traction & feel. The STi rocks, on or off-road you can do anything and it takes it haha.
After Diesel gate scandal i think Countries should put embargo's on VW outright.
(including all the other cars under the company)
and anyone buying one these days is just helping pay for their court case.
Not like they wont try do it again.
If they have not already found another way to scam diesel engines.
They are worse than some random street gang who mugs people.
Im currently shopping between these 2. Probably gonna end up with the Golf R.
The Golf is a much better choice overall, Like he mentioned, it is years ahead when it comes to refinement,faster (if you go for the DSG), it's more economical,, more comfortable, better build quality, and since it has a smaller engine it's also cheaper to insure and has less tax each year.
to keep it simple if u want the more sportier version buy the STI, if u want the more luxurious version buy the GolfR
Will be interested for an Audi RS3 vs Golf R comparision, reason being they are still based on the MQB architecture. Also a video on scalloped disc brakes please (the RS3 has them!)
Apparently someone wasn't trying hard enough in the sti. That car will easily hit 60mph in 2nd gear. Even the WRX will hit 60mph at 2nd gear penetrating into red line. I'll give the VW a slight edge in fit and finish but for my money the subaru's are better vehicles.
it would be interessting to see a Sti/Golf R/Focus RS/Civic typeR comparasion! Great video 👍
I hope you review a Focus RS in the near future
Why not a civic?
+JoeyandLindsay and in every day since you madman
+Honda Civic Fan Club cause the Hyundai Accent is better
What's better Focus RS or Civic Si?
LOL, Hyundai copy paste technology from Koreas finest.
could you please use metric units for torque and weight, or at least include them like in subtitles or so
I'm surprised he didn't mention it either, it's an engineering based show, the metric should be before the imperial, if anything...
Agree, metric units are the international standard, and there are lots of people viewing who have neve used imperial units in their lives. I have honestly no idea what lbs, lbft, and mpg translate to in terms of metric weight, torque, and fuel economy, at least not without looking it up, and it is quite annoying actually, especially in vids like these with so many facts and numbers. I hope in the future we can at least have them as subtitles or something :)
One category you should of added Jason is aftermarket support.
Both cars have huge after market support. The STI may have a little bit more support since it's still the same 2.5L EJ motor since 2004 though.
should have* dick
Doesnt really matter which is better cause the Hyundai Accent is better than them both
... better at being Korean, maybe.
hahaha is this meant to be a joke?!
You mean the Hyundai Getz lol check this out /watch?v=EqKFFzyu7YE
+javier portillo rude
+javier portillo got his ass! Come on over to Honda Civic fan club! We always accept Hyundai haters
You should talk more about reliability and why problems occur in components
VWs are beyond reliable so it slaps subaru on that part by a mile
Are you guys serious? Subaru is way more reliable than Volkswagen and that is not based on one person's experience but hundreds of owners experiences. Please subscribe to consumer reports.
@@harleyzheng 😂😂😂
Both are close in terms of performance. At the end of the day you will look at how the car looks too not only performance, and can modify both of them. For me I will buy the Subaru because I like how it looks and because its better for the snow
Great video as always, thank you! Aside from the MPG rating, what is the real world mileage you've seen with the two cars?
Significant. Golf R is far more efficient.
Off Topic. Looking back at your old review videos where you explain features in depth and show us the hardware, i feel the new ones are more superficial. It is this attention to detail that won you your subscribers in the first place. Do not change your style. Thanks
+Shyam R it was my whiteboard that won my subscribers, not the car reviews. I haven't forgotten yet! Also, I will continually experiment with the style. If you want a structured format where every review is exactly the same, there are dozens upon dozens of review channels out there to choose from. I won't claim to be the best, find what you enjoy and watch it!
Engineering Explained Well said. Keep up there good work
Can you message or maybe even make a video about the GTI vs the R? I know all wheel drive and more hp but Im planning to buy either and there is enough money difference specially when I then want to purchase my downpipe, exhaust and get a dyno Tune. What would you think is worth it?
Parts of my suspension break all the time. I live down a long crappy dirt road that's like a washboard. I drive a 1st gen CR-V. I need something that can take a beating.
What cars have durable suspension systems?
I have a 15 STI. So obviously my bias will be blatant. Now that I have checked my symmetrical all-wheel-drive, and horizontally opposed privileges.
(those aided and abetted STI in killing it again at the 24h NBR).
Ha That being said I like the GolfR. I test drove them both the same day. The VW was lacking that feeling of a drivers engagement. Nothing threw the clutch, the wheel or the shifter. Notches and vibrations are the kind of feedback that gives cars personality. I understand why many journalists described it as a car for "boy-racers" or whatever. Disagreeing with me completely and would prefer something else. There are those people that trade in there car as soon as something newer is available. Their never attached to there cars. What I'm getting at is; this car will be leased not bought. That yawn inducing exterior man! I hate that every car looks the same. But I otherwise agree with your assessment completely good review!
+MrThePrivateer well glad you got what you wanted.
+MrThePrivateer yeah that DSG is fast no question.
I've owned a GTI (MKVI), I have an e-Golf and a Volvo V60 T5. I've also owned a Legacy. I'd probably go VW if I could stomach another VW (which I don't think I can) because I'm a grown up and if I want to drive something that'll beat me I'll take out my MG.
Golf drivers the type of people to open a bag of chips with scissors
Very good well balanced review. How's the STi treating you?
+westernprelude it's great! Some dealer drama but it's a solid car. :)
Lol I remember back when compare Sti and Evo, Sti was the comfort ride, Evo was the raw one
so 5 months ago?
you didn't make any mention of interior equipment, economics, styling, comfort or the infotainment. I would'veliked to hear about that
honestly don't know wich i would pick if i have to
Great review tho
For me. When the cars are comparable in performance I just go for which one is more comfortable. cause if you need to go really in depth in the specs to determine which is "better" it means it can easily out drive the other car. So I take performance out of the question and just choose based on which I think looks nicer, more reliable, more handy, etc.
Think i would go with the golf too honestly and there like 35k cheaper yes believe it or not (The Netherlands)
+Monster yeah. I think that would be my choice too. Honestly I was impressed with the gti. I was expecting a boat, but it wasn't bad. The only thing is the back seats are surprisingly shitty compared to the Subaru and even older model golfs. But to save money and have the performance I'd go with the golf.
STI all day long. I would love to test a golf r just to ckmoare tho.👍
I don't like the inherent reliability issues of VWs and the fact that you have to pull the front clip to do so many repairs on them. Subies are much easier to work on.
I have a question for you. Which is better for your car: being stuck in traffic or going a longer but less congested route? Also assuming that it would take you roughly the same amount of time to reach your destination no matter which route you take.
Why is a Torsen LSD better than mimicking that behavior by using the brakes? (other than the fact that it will wear/heat the brakes less) I would think if anything, using brakes might be better since it should allow for more versatility since the software can be programmed to do anything you need. And it seems like it would save weight, too.
Because a Torsen works prior to one wheel slipping, a braking system is reactive.
Ah, guess that makes sense. But does that not also mean that an LSD is going to behave the same no matter what the traction conditions are like?
... Maybe I need to find one of your videos on how a Torsen LSD works, heh.
I mean like if it's raining or the road is cold, etc... A software-based traction control system that uses the brakes should be able to detect when the tires are slipping in any conditions. But a system that is pro-active and behaves in a fixed way would not. It's possible I'm misunderstanding something about how exactly a Torsen LSD works, but that seems like a key difference.
Good videos, I'd love you to put these cars on a proper scale, since VW was also famous in the past for lying on weight figures and adjusting power boost on their turbos to make up for the discrepancies :)
Still the benchmark for the smoothness of clutch in economy car are Honda Integra and Mazda Miata.
Golf R for my daily driver. Sti for my track car.
In Europe fuel economy is all. So if you whant to sell cars here you have to built an advance engine, not only a powerfull engine.
Car and driver said the front end of the STI looked ugly but they thought the front end of the Focus RS looked good. LOL.
Don't forget that a downpipe and stage 2 tune puts thr golf r into the 11's
I was starting to warm up to the VW until you mentioned the front bias and rear cutting AWD and that it lacks LSDs...
Great review! I thought the Golf R had the ability to send up to 100% of the torque to the rear wheels (as opposed to being limited at 50%). I was under the impression that on the streets it drives around basically 90% front wheels and 10% rear, then shifts power back as is required for torque vectoring.
the haldex system can only send 100% to the rear if their is literally 0 traction on the front wheels (they are suspended or on a frictionless surface); its a marketing gimmick to convince people that its a rear biased system
i love the golf (used to have a gti) but yeah, its not capable of 100% rear torque send
@@brandonroebuck504 very cool! I did not know that.
Does a performance car shootout. Decides it on bootspace.
Interesting, I weighed my 13 Legacy 3.6 R limited at work " I work for a winery and we have giant truck scales" my car with a half of tanks of gas was at 3,523, so my Legacy is only about 100 lbs more than the STI.... but I'm making about 265 hp or so with the flat 6. I did order the car without Sunroof and some other junk that I felt would pack the pounds on....
I would never ever even consider thinking about taking a Golf over a WRX STI. That's just crazy.
Why not?
Becaaaause It's a volkswagen, becaaause It's craftsmanship is as good as my 13 year old son's Arts-and-Crafts class project, becaaaause everybody knows that in the real world track-day the golf would get so embarrassed by the STI that it would blow a connecting rod in a suicide attempt.
I also can't seem to understand why you people think the interior is of better quality or something.. to each their own I guess, but even if so, that does not make a worthy buy... Interiors never were the car-enthusiasts' deciding factor for a sports car buy, as far as I know. There is just no sense in telling me "look how nicer it is on the inside", when even if I try, I still can't see it. And it definitely doesn't matter to me.
STI faster on a track than Golf R? I wouldn't be so sure about that ;) Volkswagen has done a pretty decent job with their Golfs (GTI & R) at the Nürburgring. The Golf GTI Clubsport holds the current Nürburgring record for a FWD vehicle.
Right, right.
It's actually a good thing that there are so many losers that would go and buy the crappy cars, and crappy stuff in general. People need to be making money out of other peoples ignorance and stupidity you know.
+MrThePrivateer today on things that never happened
hi there. i've been torn between the wax and the golf. i was looking into the gti, but realized only the R has the awd. I'm going from a truck to maybe a car. I need something great on gas, safe, reliable, something that will last me a long time, and i live in new york and get a lot of snow so i need something good in snow. I'm hoping the R's and system is good because i'm leaning towards that. However, i hear VW is not very reliable and parts break very easily, and can be costly (coming from my mechanic) just wondering. Really could use the advice. Thank you very much.
some of those shots where really nice dude. I see you've been spending abit more time filming! Its paying off.
How distracting was the glossy black dash trim on the Golf R?
Service and repair-costs would be a factor i guess.
Great video man, both great cars personally, I'd go with the Golf just because of the interior and the 2.0T in it is so much easier to tune.
How much more maintenance cost of golf r than sti? I am thinking getting a golf R over sti and maintance cost for german cars over years is holding me back
Hands down the Golf R. Glad VW finally gave them a tune and that extra horsepower to directly compete. I still would have liked the mk6 gold r over a new sti. There are other things he didn't mention that the golf R also dominates the sti in. Like interior quality, stereo sound, and over all build quality. The sti gets its light weight from using cheaper and thin materials like on the hood the metal is very thin and will get ruined in a hail storm. The golf uses thicker material that won't even get dented, yet still weighs less. And trust me about the hail I've worked for a dealership that sold both and the subarus always got ruined in the hails storms
Not to mention that VW torque curve is very noticeable in everyday driving. Thing is a blast to drive
I'd agree with this, in addition to probably better paint (subaru paint is awful, wasn't always that way but recently it's gotten pretty bad). One thing to note though is reliability, or at least projected reliability. Subaru is using the old EJ engine in this car, so that's up for debate in terms of reliability, VS the VW, which hasn't had a great reliability track record in recent years.
Personally I'd have the Golf R or Focus RS though.
+DarklightRebel VW builds their cars in Germany Brazil and Mexico I believe it's known that the ones built in Germany are good and the ones built at the other locations have issues. Every car has its issues but the Subaru build quality just isn't there.
+tdawg719 That's simply not true. Subaru build quality is very good as is the reliability. The interiors aren't as nice as VW but the build quality is quite good.
+DarklightRebel they get their light weight from using cheaper and thinner materials. I've worked at a dealership that's old every car and the Subarus by far had the most issues. Not saying their junk but they aren't great
Great video. will you be doing any similar videos comparing the Ford Focus RS to some of its rival vehicles like the Golf R and STI?
hey you have to explain the difference between tsi and tfsi.
i think the only advantage the STI has is off road.....
every test i see on track, it is so close between them, with straightline edge to the golf R
and its not marketed to pansy's
I read somewhere that the Mk7 Golf Rs have problems with their turbochargers failing.
Golf R don't have issues with Turbos Lots of them are running close to 30psi and going strong ...... GTI had few isuess with is20 with first revision turbos ..
I wouldn't be surprised about that. Thing is I saw the threads when i googled golf mk7 r turbo to see what design it was.
It might be a few isolated manufacturing defects that's causing the problems.