Great review. For sure, its presets are heavily weighted toward the EDM end of things, but the ability to pull in your own samples, then fold, spindle and mutilate them using virtually unlimited combinations of dynamically modulated filters and FX opens Avenger up to virtually any genre. I feel that I've yet to explore all of the possibilities, but what I've learned so far is that the capabilities extend beyond its primary EDM identity.
Yeah, the EDM stuff is right up front in so many of the presets that it’s easy to fall into creating in that genre. I definitely want to try creating some pads with it, especially because they’re aren’t very many pads with the existing presets and the reverbs are so stellar that pad creation would really sound great with this.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 pad experimentation is a great idea. I plan to dig into that over the weekend. One thought was to sample a creation and then pull it back in and manipulate it even more
I’m a Halion user and fully agree with you. Halion excels at everything it’s capable of doing (it’s wildly flexible). Avenger does well, but many of its tools aren’t specialized in ways you’ll find in other samplers or workstations I bought Avenger 2 for its more immediate and less deliberate workflow, its exceptional library of presets/expansions, and a sound/feature set that is tuned for electronic music production. It has the soul of a virus with a lot of modern features added. I need it to be a hype/inspiration machine, and so far, it is. It’s quite inspiring.
I use it just for fun. Whenever I'm struggling with whatever mix I'm in - I take a break, fire up avenger and go nuts for a while. Sometimes it even gives you ideas for the exact thing you are working on. BTW, the cinematics expansions are also fantastic. Definitely not EDM so it's capable of many genres I think.
Thanks for the neat demo. I find Avenger still my go-to synth; having sold omnisphere; avoided Falcon as a money pit; wished Pigments had a drum kit; found Serum doesn't do anything more, only a lot less. Most synths offer a lesser spec, which feels restrictive compared to Avenger which can do almost anything short of top sample library material like Spitfire. It's also easier having only one synth to learn, instead of having to remember all the minor but sometimes important details in maybe 10 or more synths. Additionally there's a regular stream of free new feature updates that are worth having. Plus there are always new expansion packs, which are more expensive than other synth expansions, but you get a lot more than just a few new sounds that go dink in the night. The only reason Avenger isn't recognised as the No 1 world synth is - the bad odour Avenger copy protection acquired in the earlier years, which frankly got Avenger some resentful publicity. - Serum got to wavetable first and became established earlier. Go Vengeance!!!
did you say kontakt? kontakt is terrible for electronic music, especially massive x. It has bunch of outdated presets and samples. In nexus 4 you can mute each part of the preset/sequence. its like tracking it out.
Thanks Ray. Yeah, it’s pretty cool. It’s not going to replace higher end synths due to some limitations, but it sounds great and has a pretty efficient workflow.
The reverbs and the filters go pretty deep and are pretty amazing. Falcon is so deep that I am not even going to get into it, especially since the new version came out. Kontakt, of course. MPE is missing in Avenger 2, which I feel would make it even better. I also love Phase Plant and Pigments, as well as Vital for a nice simple synth that is easy to create your own patches in. I feel that Ominsphere is a bit dated these days and the sounds don't seem as good as other synths. Maybe that's just me. I am a synth whore, meaning I buy a lot of them and spend days-weeks and sometimes months wrapping my brain around them. It's always funning having lots of options.
Absolutely agree with the Omnisphere comment. I’m a bit shocked that they didn’t roll out an update this year. They definitely need to overhaul the workflow to modernize it.
Nexus 4 is a ROMpler, not a synth, but the sound design is made by almost the same team as Avenger, so I see it as a "lite" version. I own both, by the way, and REGRET NOTHING!
$166 dollars on sale hmm. Bit pricey. And I just picked up U-he Hive for I think around $75 or so. Which is kind of similar I guess. Might have to give Avenger a miss because of that. But it looks cool even if pricey. Would like to try it sometime.
I've seen Avenger on sale for less, but not very often. That's a good price for Hive. I would say that Hive doesn't have the drum sequencer and arps that Avenger 2 has, but who cares at $75.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 Yeah I think it was U-he's only sale, maybe ever. Everything was 50% off. Yeah it looks like you get a bit more with Avenger. I have other tools that can stand in so not that much of an issue for me but I can see how for some there would be some value in there. But yeah you do pay more I guess. Hive is pretty awesome too. Got that JP8000 thing going on if you need that but it can also do a bunch of other stuff. Not sure if it has as many filter types but what it has sounds great. Also it has FUNs. Which I think is a Kurzweil thing. An interesting feature I haven't figured out yet but saw some interesting things done with them. Anyway both cool synths.
It ain’t a Falcon killer, that’s for sure. Don’t even know if it ‘d be worthwhile to really get to know Avenger 2 as it’s still too focused on EDM and doesn’t inspire the way Falcon does. Pretty good sounds though, I’ll give you that, but again nothing breathtaking compared to Falcon, Spire or Zebra for that matter.
One thing that Falcon does well is the ability to modulate any aspect of any effect. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think you can do that in Avenger, which is a shame because the reverbs are really well done.
Great review. For sure, its presets are heavily weighted toward the EDM end of things, but the ability to pull in your own samples, then fold, spindle and mutilate them using virtually unlimited combinations of dynamically modulated filters and FX opens Avenger up to virtually any genre. I feel that I've yet to explore all of the possibilities, but what I've learned so far is that the capabilities extend beyond its primary EDM identity.
Yeah, the EDM stuff is right up front in so many of the presets that it’s easy to fall into creating in that genre. I definitely want to try creating some pads with it, especially because they’re aren’t very many pads with the existing presets and the reverbs are so stellar that pad creation would really sound great with this.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 pad experimentation is a great idea. I plan to dig into that over the weekend. One thought was to sample a creation and then pull it back in and manipulate it even more
I’m a Halion user and fully agree with you.
Halion excels at everything it’s capable of doing (it’s wildly flexible). Avenger does well, but many of its tools aren’t specialized in ways you’ll find in other samplers or workstations
I bought Avenger 2 for its more immediate and less deliberate workflow, its exceptional library of presets/expansions, and a sound/feature set that is tuned for electronic music production.
It has the soul of a virus with a lot of modern features added. I need it to be a hype/inspiration machine, and so far, it is. It’s quite inspiring.
It's definitely a fast workflow for certain things. I'm still learning my way around it.
Wow that reverb sounds lovely! The Synth does look fun!
Yeah, they could package the reverbs as a separate plug-in.
Good video. Quick and to the point. I watched it start to finish.
Ahhhh, UA-cam sustenance! Glad you liked the video.
This Synth has many expansion packs in various genres.
I use it just for fun. Whenever I'm struggling with whatever mix I'm in - I take a break, fire up avenger and go nuts for a while. Sometimes it even gives you ideas for the exact thing you are working on. BTW, the cinematics expansions are also fantastic. Definitely not EDM so it's capable of many genres I think.
Yeah, I need to invest in some of the expansions they have. They all sound pretty darn good.
Thanks for the neat demo.
I find Avenger still my go-to synth;
having sold omnisphere;
avoided Falcon as a money pit;
wished Pigments had a drum kit;
found Serum doesn't do anything more, only a lot less.
Most synths offer a lesser spec, which feels restrictive compared to Avenger which can do almost anything short of top sample library material like Spitfire.
It's also easier having only one synth to learn, instead of having to remember all the minor but sometimes important details in maybe 10 or more synths.
Additionally there's a regular stream of free new feature updates that are worth having.
Plus there are always new expansion packs, which are more expensive than other synth expansions, but you get a lot more than just a few new sounds that go dink in the night.
The only reason Avenger isn't recognised as the No 1 world synth is
- the bad odour Avenger copy protection acquired in the earlier years, which frankly got Avenger some resentful publicity.
- Serum got to wavetable first and became established earlier.
Go Vengeance!!!
I’m hanging onto Omnisphere to see if they improve workflow with the next version, but yeah, Avenger workflow is so much better.
Great overview, thanks !
Thanks James, glad you liked it.
did you say kontakt? kontakt is terrible for electronic music, especially massive x. It has bunch of outdated presets and samples. In nexus 4 you can mute each part of the preset/sequence. its like tracking it out.
Great video again, Sir. I don't think I am ready for another expensive VST but this one does sound like fun.
Thanks Ray. Yeah, it’s pretty cool. It’s not going to replace higher end synths due to some limitations, but it sounds great and has a pretty efficient workflow.
The reverbs and the filters go pretty deep and are pretty amazing. Falcon is so deep that I am not even going to get into it, especially since the new version came out. Kontakt, of course. MPE is missing in Avenger 2, which I feel would make it even better. I also love Phase Plant and Pigments, as well as Vital for a nice simple synth that is easy to create your own patches in. I feel that Ominsphere is a bit dated these days and the sounds don't seem as good as other synths. Maybe that's just me. I am a synth whore, meaning I buy a lot of them and spend days-weeks and sometimes months wrapping my brain around them. It's always funning having lots of options.
Absolutely agree with the Omnisphere comment. I’m a bit shocked that they didn’t roll out an update this year. They definitely need to overhaul the workflow to modernize it.
I chose this over serum on the basis that it is so flexible and fun. Also handles samples.
Never owned Serum, but I would bet Avenger beats it hands down.
Why would you think that despite never having used Serum? Sounds pretty biased since Serum is its own thing.
@@jordy-bear it is, but it’s also considerably older software and I’ve seen enough videos of it to know its capabilities.
Nexus 4 is a ROMpler, not a synth, but the sound design is made by almost the same team as Avenger, so I see it as a "lite" version. I own both, by the way, and REGRET NOTHING!
I was thinking the same. Nexus is a rompler, and Avenger is a Nexus but with editable capabilities.
Worth to upgrade from 1 to 2?
I never had version 1 so can’t compare. I definitely like version 2.
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Speaking like a true fanboy!
$166 dollars on sale hmm. Bit pricey. And I just picked up U-he Hive for I think around $75 or so. Which is kind of similar I guess. Might have to give Avenger a miss because of that. But it looks cool even if pricey. Would like to try it sometime.
I've seen Avenger on sale for less, but not very often. That's a good price for Hive. I would say that Hive doesn't have the drum sequencer and arps that Avenger 2 has, but who cares at $75.
@@arcticfoxstudios2018 Yeah I think it was U-he's only sale, maybe ever. Everything was 50% off. Yeah it looks like you get a bit more with Avenger. I have other tools that can stand in so not that much of an issue for me but I can see how for some there would be some value in there. But yeah you do pay more I guess. Hive is pretty awesome too. Got that JP8000 thing going on if you need that but it can also do a bunch of other stuff. Not sure if it has as many filter types but what it has sounds great. Also it has FUNs. Which I think is a Kurzweil thing. An interesting feature I haven't figured out yet but saw some interesting things done with them. Anyway both cool synths.
Can't bother w UVI tbh.
its for Mac ?
Yes - Mac or Windows.
It ain’t a Falcon killer, that’s for sure. Don’t even know if it ‘d be worthwhile to really get to know Avenger 2 as it’s still too focused on EDM and doesn’t inspire the way Falcon does. Pretty good sounds though, I’ll give you that, but again nothing breathtaking compared to Falcon, Spire or Zebra for that matter.
One thing that Falcon does well is the ability to modulate any aspect of any effect. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think you can do that in Avenger, which is a shame because the reverbs are really well done.
Falcon sounds big and pro, avenger is a kid's toy if you compare both
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You can made rave with a couple of trash cans and a whistle 🤣
LOL, probably. I still wouldn't mind going to Tomorrowland though - looks like one heck of a concert.
Tone 2 Icarus v3 sounds much powerful and better than this one...
Not even close!
@@MarkSpicer-Playlists why not?