Amateur Trying to Land Airbus A320 from 2500 Altitude
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- www.balticaa.com Sometimes aviation looks simple from the side of amateur. Though, imagine the situation that you would be the only person who is responsible for landing the Airbus A320 aircraft with 180 one the board. Would you be able to control it? Baltic Aviation Academy (Lithuania) decided to do the experiment -- take a person who has no clue what do in the cockpit and after 5 minutes of introduction to leave with help of an air traffic controller only. What results it is going to bring?
She didnt know how to put the gears down, but knows the reverse thrust levers like pro.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
She would've know where the LDG lever is located if it was a Boeing aircraft.
Recall, this was her 5th attempt. After having had 4 crashes I bet she now knows where to find the gear lever. There is almost no real chance she could've made that landing, besides the fact that her coach was standing right behind her and able to see and hear the panel. Add to that, just the sheer terror of it all? Spells near certain death, imho. 😱😮😢
Camera cuts and she's suddenly perfectly aligned. ;)
ahaahah
lmao I noticed this too. This is the most difficult bit for me in my flight sim, keeping lined up perfectly with the runway, so I was hoping to see how she did it. Now I know that I just need to focus on my throttle to get lined up properly.. lmao
+jdavis234
yea, That approach was pretty botched...
+jdavis234 Ha I was thinking the same thing. I've flown desktop sims as well as the full motion 737 sim at the Delta flight museum. I'm pretty sure I'd have no problem once I'm on final long as there's good weather and visibility. I'd be more worried about trying to figure out the FMC and coordinate with LNAV and VNAV functions on the autopilot early on.
She couldn’t figure out landing gear lever’s position and the RD light. No way she was gonna land on her own. She was bored and not the brightest to be in that seat but cute.
8:36 - "OK Natalia........... I wish you the best"
Lol nice ATC skills
who the hell says, I wish you the best!? Might as well have said, may the odds ever be in your favor, any parting words?
Better With Rum “I wish you the best” is perfectly fine and sincere. No need to vas’s the bloke
I actually got a little choked up the first time. At that moment, under those (admittedly unusual) circumstances, it was her airplane. There was nothing left for him to do. Probably better, in a way, to just stop talking to her at that point instead of barking reminders that could have quickly overwhelmed her.
2:58 "Should be to the left about 20cm" (she moves about 5 cm) ... well, maybe she was used to her boyfriend exaggerating, and then compensated.
lol
3 years on, and this is still such a weak comment.
lol at the ending. "Yes, you can't"
LOL
Actually "Yes you cant" is a proper English term. You are agreeing with a negative. In reality "No, you can't" even though commonly used, is a double-negative and is not therefore proper English.
unfortunate wording for an ATC
I thought he was swearing at her for killing 720 people
No. You can't.
I've found that people without flying experience are unable to control all axis of flying - pitch, roll and speed. I've let friends try to land an aircraft in flight simulators - no one could do it properly. If I handled the throttle for them, I suddenly got some very impressive landings. Interesting!
When I learned to fly , it was like try trying to juggle 3 balls . its easy throw up a ball just before catching the next one , now here are 3 balls and do it . Then one day it clicked . Just like when i learned to juggle
That's why it is such an amazing skill, where satisfaction comes with practice. Its about coordinating everything in the right combination at the right time with precision.
That landing looked so wrong. How is the sim for simulating ground bounces/gear physics? The landing is just so artificially smooth somehow. To me that looked like she was almost putting the nose wheel down first, but the camera angle might make it hard to make out correctly.
I'd like to learn to fly just so I can go to baltic academy and hang out with Natalya.
:D
that you want that was the reason they chosed natalya :P
md65000 the
This guy does a great imitation of Borat, close your eyes & just listen, I can't stop laughing...."Thank you very much"....LOL!!
And now sexy time !
Very great job of you both. You are almos two kids and already learning to control this spetacular machine. Fantastic. And
takes our curiosity about how to do this. Also liked very much the video about turning from completely off to ready to take off. Congratulations to all. Alex - Rio de Janeiro
Flight attendant lands plane for glory of Motherland.
+Paco Ramirez LOL
It works if you put on the Arnold Schwarz-bobbly-doodly.
seemed too nose down.. too low alfa and no flare? seems to me like it would torn off the front gear ?
sparrowlt thought the same. I actually thought that the pilot never saw the runway directly, but im not a pilot so :D hah
they would survive, maybe
There is the screen that shows the pilot how low the nose should be but he didn't explain her how to use it. Normally it should be between 2.5 and 5 degrees up for landing.
she landed on nearly all gears and dat would not torn apart it but it could damage it somewhat
Excellent instructor !. Clear language and instructions. I "flew" on BA B747 simulator in Heathrow. Unfortunatelly, the instructor have a heavy British accent, therefore I hardly understood him.
the british accent is easy to understand lol, where are you from?
If I were to do an educated guess I would say Poland (based on his name).
I love it, I had to watch it twice! Pranas is bright, confident, knowledgeable and friendly. Natalja is also bright, confident and gives very good honest feedback (sometimes with a cheeky reply ‘of course I remember’) This reminds me of teaching students (including many females) to drive the EMS Synthi 100. A monster synthesiser back in the ‘70s. The Synthi 100 was both analogue/digital (vintage digital) At least with Synthi 100 it couldn’t be crashed (no people ever died) “If you made a mistake you would simply get a new or unexpected result” Pranas and Natalja PM me if you ever come to Melbourne, Bravo well done!
So much wrong with this. No arming of the spoilers, at 400ft agl she sets flaps full (should be done well before that) and then she seems a lot further away from the runway... when she is left of the runway there is no way you would be able to align an a320 that quickly and the on landing it was massively nose down with no flare. That would not end well.
She isnt a training pilot...
I LOVE the video series you've put together. You're both fun to watch and listen to. Natalja, you look GREAT for having survived four crashes! ;-)
I vote that Natasha should do attempt 6 with her top off.
Why does the Autopilot disconnect?? I mean u could make an autopilot landing right?
Natalia , please go home and find the oven....then find the knob to set the oven temp to 350...insert cookies so we can clap you....
Confused why she had to use the stick. Wouldn't autoland do that for her? Watched a similar video with a boeing plane and the yoke never needed to be touched.
The moment that the A/P disconnects, the aircraft is at that point no longer in control meaning that you must take immediate manual control of the aircraft because once the A/P disconnects or malfunctions, the ILS is also affected as well hence why the aircraft was way off to the left rather than lined up and centered towards the runway during “final approach”.
--> Think of it as a vehicle that has cruise control: when cruise control is set at a certain speed, the vehicle will maintain the predetermined speed until you either apply the brakes or cancel/turn off the cruise control ergo you as the driver must immediately take back control.
Anyone else think that he should be at least one flight attendant trained in basic flight controls per flight?
Senior flight attendants may have some training, depending on the airline.
That's SOOOOO cool. Takes me back to that first sim landing!
Would be more interesting if you took someone with a private pilots license, say for a Cessna and put him or her into the A320. At least they would understand what they were doing and have a chance of succeeding.
Its the aileron trim. They are used to trim the aircraft for level flight. Basically as a pilot you would have to roll these back and forth regularly to make sure the plane isn't gaining or losing altitude during flight since headwind, updrafts etc can change your rate of lift and thus whether the aircraft is gaining or losing altitude, and thus you trim the aircraft to maintain level flight. Or the auto pilot does it.
nice job Natalia
On that note I beg to differ... at all medium to large airports ATC can bring up the flight control manuals as well as a virtual cockpit for just such cases. they do this to not only help the person locate the controls - but also, by reading the emergency manual ( same as in the aircraft ) - they can make sure the numbers they need to tell the person on-board the aircraft the right ones given their alt an speed. ( eg) if they say reduce airspeed to 120 they checked the numbers against the book.
9:26 "I really can CLAP you!"
LOOOOOOOL XD
Was the fact that autopilot turned off expected? Standard procedure or some failure? If expected, I would expect warning bit in advance, plus some training of flying (changing directions, alt) in safe altitude.
Also, was turning to left and right all that was needed? No trim, rotation or so?
Thx a lot for answer.
Doesn't seem to hard. All my years of playing flight sims seems to be about the same as doing this. I'd LOVE to have that sim availble to me........wow.
This video reminds me that decades ago (not sure when, certainly pre-9/11) SAS had some short "stick-holder" courses for cabin crew and interested members of the public. The course covered level flight and ordinary landing procedures, and included both simulator and real aircraft time (without passengers). The idea was to learn just enough to be confident in your ability to deal with a loss of pilot emergency.
In addition to these (heavily advertised, few actual participants) SAS courses. I have heard rumors (only rumors) that another Nordic airline used to use pilots in training as part of the cabin crew, partially as a way for them to pay for their training, so at that airline, the flight hostess would really know how to fly if necessary.
Haha I love those comments. Natalja can you also handle my joystick this well? Cute girl.
+AxCYeR ha.ha.
Even though it is a simulation, the video is still gripping. I thought that something would go wrong at the last minute. Nice job, Natalia!! Cudo's to the instructor!
Was the AP disconnected by her or the person behind?
The alarm was part of the program, she turned it off by pressing the red button/light.
If I'm not mistaken it was when aproaching minimums that the ap automatically disengaged
Autopilot can still be engaged under minimums. Ever heard of Autoland using the ILS?
Im not a pilot, but if that happened to me, and the autopilot disconnected so close to the ground, and put me so far away from the runway, i would probably want to do a go around and try a second approach, and try to get the autopilot working again, instead of trying to get the aircraft back onto the centreline of the runway from such a short distance away
That would “normally” be the ideal approach under *ideal* conditions, but not all circumstances are the same and may deem for you to quickly land the aircraft...for example: electrical fault/malfunction causing the AP to disconnect (although the trouble aural warning tone is different from the A/P disconnect), engine fire/failure, low fuel/fuel leak, adverse weather conditions etc.) which could mean that you only have just ONE opportunity to safely land the aircraft.
I love that video.
Yes you cant!
Nice knob action by Natalia. Bravo.
400 feet from the ground and she is left of the runway. Can you say Missed Approach GO AROUND!!!!!
+Robert Benoit Not to mention he didn't have her get on speed and flaps full until 400 feet AGL. He also forgot to have her arm the spoilers.
Thank you borat. Next time if our pilot dies, I'll try to land our plane using your pearls of wisdom.
And natalya, don't drive a car, let alone a plane.
Now you have a Fan in Spain !!! I love your smile
You gotta love him... She's 400 feet above the ground, auto-pilot just disconnected, she's lined up with the grass to the left of the runway, and he says... "Ok Natalia, I wish you the best"... In other words, you can bend over and kiss your ass goodbye. LOL
I guess that an ATC controller wouldn't know the plane to tell her which knob and which botton to push. However it is interesting how us pilots are now computer managers more than flyers. Regards, and thanks for all the awsome stuff you have around.
absolutely gagging for it
i want to have a go, how can i get there and try!?
"Now I can clap her"
How cute ! Well done Natalia!
"yes you can't"
Absolutely normal for russian english)
They are not Russian they are Lithuanian
Great job, Natalja!
Now, any passengers can fly the plane
ah.. no....
O.o wait, what about checking and comfirming all 3 landing gears down?! also, what about the spoilers? dont you set them up to activate? or is it just pressing auto break activates the spoilers on an airbuss?
I Found The FD, Button before she did** We are all gunna die!! Let me fly it..
wadep9916 Not sure why she was told to turn it off... It simply displays info for the autopilot and approach.
ive been in this a320 sim ,, w no exp. it took 3 times to land ... its not easy
Dude she's f-ing hot. One tip though, I'd make damn sure she remembers where that flap lever is before you have her putting out gear and reducing speed, otherwise she could end up putting it into a stall while she's fumbling around trying to remember how to lower the flaps.
+jeepxjdude2000 The Airbus autopilot system will make sure you don't stall - it will lower the nose and sacrifice altitude for speed.
+Allan Folmersen Tell that to the crew of AF447
Dan Beban The flight data recorder from that flight shows the autopilot was disabled because the pitot tubes had frozen. And the crew didn't handle the stall correctly - they pulled back on the stick to raise the nose, when they should have lowered it.
I just can't understand why they would pull up during a stall. Apparently on the A330 the stall warning stops when the nose is pitched too high which led them to think it was perfectly acceptable to keep pulling up?
Dan Beban Nobody knows why the pilot didn't understand what was happening and why he didn't lower the nose and recover the airplane.
I like you channel
9:29, "I really can clap you". Anyone else think that sounds dirty?
"I sorry, I give you clap"
HOTSHOTS! LMAO! -.I LOVED that line - especially from an actor that did serious stuff for most of his career - GOOD call dude!!
I really can clap u hhhhhhh
lol that grammar tho
The pitots were not broken--they were iced up. You are right--the correct thing to do is to maintain the nose attitude (start by keeping it on the horizon) and set the throttles to cruise setting for that altitude-or a value of 80% if you are not sure. The main cause of the Air France crash was that the copilot (for some reason) pulled the side stick fully back and kept it there--putting the plane into a stalled condition. Since the sticks are not interconnected the left seat pilot was unaware.
Rather patronizing to call her a girl. She is obviously a woman. And rather smart too if you ask me.
she did 5 attempts and still she can't find the gear panel and the fd indicator?
Why disconnect the autopilot if the airplane could easily do an autoland? Wouldn't that be easier and safer?
They're cutting out the most difficult part. Establishing contact with tower- using the radio.
I do agree. Granted it’s only a simulation, but as such first thing that should be emphasized is how someone who is not a pilot can establish ATC comms (be it a flight attendant or passenger) and how to identify as well as to tune into the emergency frequency so that ATC can easily identify you and better be able to assist whomever it may be in safely piloting the aircraft and more importantly ensure a safe landing as well. I’m no commercial pilot but as a private pilot who’s only rated for a fixed wing, single prop aircraft (1977 CESSNA C152), I still to this day still hear my instructor’s voice when it came to this.
It is also my opinion that whilst a flight attendant’s duties obviously doesn’t entail piloting a commercial aircraft, I feel that some *very* basic training such as the aforementioned would prove critical and highly beneficial if any in-flight emergencies like this should arise since compared to any passenger(s) that they are slightly more familiar with said aircraft which would better mitigate against the risk of a accident/crash landing.
Awesome ! Great video.
Natalia you did very well!!
Greetings From Chris...England UK
Did I miss arming of the auto spoilers?
2 main points when watching those crash videos - 1 is the Military crashes...they fly under different rules
. 2 ( and this is important ) - when watching things like air crash investigations and the like, take particular notice of the year the incident happened...things have gotten a LOT better in the present day with much better safety systems on board and much better and more reliable aircraft that are tougher and more warning systems that prevent a pilot from errors ( anti-collision ) etc
I have 3 RC aircraft - all are pretty large and 2 are twin engine. for me, I'm not into doing loops and high speed passed - for me its all about doing approaches looking through a 2 10 inch monitors the top one gives me my "visual" the one underneath gives a B&W display of just the O.S.D. output so I practice approaches. it gets pretty intense with cross winds and fine adjustments on the RC control sticks. add some lights and with bright LED landing lights - night approaches are AWESOME!
Great job, Natalia!
does the ap always disengage? or was there circumstances that caused it to disengage like too high, too low slope?
AP disengages at low altitude if landing with only one of ILS or GS. with some ILS modes and runway capabilities Rollout is also possible with AP
Otto would be proud of you, Natalja!
OK thank you Willshael for this interesting explanation.
Id love to have flying lessons with Borat!
Shouldn't the title be from height 2500 ft as qfe would be set for landing rather than qnh?
How do you use the aircraft's radio to contact the ground for help?
You might be able to, I don't know your skills with a big aircraft. I thought I probably could too, having done quite a few small craft (single engine, prop) landings. I had a friend who was in charge of running the Northwest 757 simulators in Eagan, MN. Very early one morning, he let me give it a try in one that wasn't in use for about 1.5 hours. With no AP, it took me four time to get down with a landing we could all walk away from. It's harder than it looks!
i wish i could be one of the well done amateur pilots ! Love your video
Very interesting and Natalia is a bonus.
why the Autopilot Not Land 100 %?? is there a possibility to make a cat (cathegory) 3 landing?
It needs second autopilot too for auto land
What's the Airbus a320 manual say for hard landing's, I'm not all that familiar with airbus products
09:49 Seriously, how many people can actually shake their head while saying "Yes, you can't" ? He's talented
Don't you have to manually program the ILS somehow before activating?
I agree, center line failure, and the lack of a flare or any sort of nose up attitude would have also possibly collapsed the nose gear, if nothing else any cross wind and she would have been testing the capabilities of a A320 off road. Also the auto pilot disconnect didn't have her lined up with the runway that's an ATC vectors to final failure.
Here in Sydney there is place you can go to and do exactly the same thing.- I did pretty well in my Emergency landing - but I noticed that she didn't have to set up the ILS - ( I remembered that I had sweat running off me during my turn )- and the instructions were much quicker! - but I did expect to take it after I cut the FD & AP. I held it still till nose down then reverse lever & brake then cut off. flaps up on clearing the active and tried to keep the nose on the line - it was hard!
and plz have a complete and detailed and even seperate video how to contact to atc because that is most imp in any emergency and rest of all will be dictated by atc
These automated systems make flight more safe. Especially in the event that visibility is obscured, windshield damaged etc. or in the event that the pilot cannot see or if the pilots are incapacitated, these systems save lives.
I just flew Air Baltic last week to-from Amsterdam and it was great flights even though the severe weather conditions ;)
Whats the function of the functioning disks either side of the throttle?
it can be done for 10 grand, not motion though, that's more like 15, but you have to build it yourself, its fairly simple though if you've got the room, 3 hydraulic pump's mounted to the bottom of a cockpit is easy to install, you can buy the circuit board's pre made to convert the movement's from FSX, i'm currently working on a home cockpit, mainly building the aesthetics myself, mounting on a base to upgrade to motion eventually :)
Where in the Baltics are you from, my family is from Latvia.
7:52 the plane stalled when she puts flaps to full and then they tryed again xDDDDDDD
I tend to agree with you. By looking at the way she handles the AP, she seems to be quite natural in turning all the nobs. She also doesn't seems to have a lot of questions regarding what to do next. However, she may be familiar with the cockpit even w/o proper training (just like i do, thx to FSX). Another thing is that Airbus always has a slightly more user-friendly cockpit as compared to Boeing (just my opinion).
No matter what some idiots say in the comments...This is a great video! Good job.
Why the autopilot was disconnected?
But you can also approach and touch in AP? Or not? Or when I must disengeage AP? AP tells to disengeage by due to ILS?
Why did the autopilot disengage?
They are the trim wheels, the reason they are rotating is because the Autopilot has control and it is making adjustments
At that altitude, pulling the joystick back full will create a stall, on any commercial jet. Not sure if stall warning is even accociated witht he speed sensors, isn't it a different sensor?
What happens when the computer fouls up? Then what do you do?
Amateur Natalia is a professionel model !!!
if the landing was on ils why the auto pilot disconected??
Upload the crashes so we can see what she did wrong