MAD OFFSET - Flipping the center on Steel wheels
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- Опубліковано 13 лют 2016
- Incomplete video on how to mod steel rims to get a mad offset.
The video seems to show a finished crooked rim, but that isnt the case. RoughBalanced it several times and took it to an tyreshop and it was 00-15 unbalance = Better than it was unmodifyed..
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I did something similar today with a set of wheels. 2 things: this is labor intensive. And this guy knows what he’s doing.
It sure is... 😁
Thanks mate!
Did this 60 years ago when wheels had rivets in them, nice job !
Thats awesome to hear! Never done ones with rivets. A friend has a standard vanguard from 53 with rivets he wants to make wider...
that's pretty good , been doing it for 32 years now . nice to see someone still pick it up.
RUTHLESS CW is this safe for long drive? Tia
@@joshjamin8250 if it's done properly sure, lots of people flip centres and even widen rims. Just need to make sure everything it running true.
This is one of the coolest mods you can do on a cheap car IMO. So inexpensive, but makes a huge difference :D
+supersecretninjame Exactly! A cheap mod with the most bang for the buck :)
Cheers mate!
your the man! I'm taking 2008 17" dodge ram steel wheels and doing the same thing for my 1965 ford f100. you made this look as simple as it gets.
Thanks! Theres even 20" for Dodge! (I think.....)
Amazing what the offset does , it looks so much better . Pretty cool
Indeed!
Amazing, never thought of this , great video and thanks for sharing..
Thank you very much :)
@@creamtube thanks man
Reversed wheels common in the 50s 60s
alot of effort and time into those wheels nice work love the idea
Thanks man! :) ye it takes time. Oh so many times in and out off the jig to tap the rims slightly, then put it back up x54... And i dont even have an impact gun!! Need to get one seriously.
Holly shit!!!much easier than widening....so much easy! I will do it myself next week!thanks man
I really like that look 🔨👍
Very impressive ❤
Started doing this on a set of 16" Ford C-Max/Focus/Mondeo Steels.
Doing two for the rear of a '71 Beetle (modifying all four Hubs for Discs, all Drums at the moment).
They're the Riveted/Spot-Welded type, so no cutting/grinding involved, and the holes drilled aren't large enough to need inserts welding in.
I'll be able to just offset the holes, and weld inside each one onto the surface underneath.
Got one separated, but managed to partly flatten a section of the Rim edge when pressing the Centre out with a Hydraulic Press, must have drilled one of the welds slightly off-centre.
Luckily I have a set of four to get two good Wheels from.
Fronts will be matching 'Space-Savers'.
John Warner Nice! got som New projects with babymoon centers going on...
Would like to see the results of that!
I have 6 lug chev 16 hole rims need a little bit more lip was thinking about it two days ago and came on to this video thks
WoW Never New That People Still Do This I've Heard Of It But Never Seen Anyone Do It
Superb job
That looks mint
Beautiful :)
Pretty cool
Wow cool idea. I would have liked to see the welding and finished product in the video, but excellent work none the less.
+PatonHaus Thank you very much ;) I only have these pictures: www.garaget.org/?car=391809 a rly crappy 100euros 940 with the wrong tyres. 55 profile is to high
hey! don't you talk smack about RWD volvos! ;)
how did you align it before welding?
i'm going for the same "flip-mod", but on my V 240, with citroen 16 inch steel.
what have you used?
Haha ye, volvos are the best!
Oh nice, is it the citroen ones with few a far between-holes?
When i cut the welds, i kinda of cut around the edge of the "spoke". The thing u flip around. so u get a clear line when u hammer the thing back on. Then i spinn it in my jigg and see where it "throws" and tap alittle. Its alot of up and down in the jigg. ...Alot.
But it go very well and easy. Try to see how much they wobble as stock, then u get a clue of how good they are.
I used later model wheels from volvo (after 08-)
Good luck with ur build, dont forget to show pics! :)
hmm, ok, ill try.
im hunting for citroen wheels, because they dont have circular holes, but, um... bean shape?
http : // img14 .olx .pl/images_tablicapl/416250179_1_261x203_felga-peugeot-407-16-stalowa-swarzedz.jpg
Ah ye, very common to flip and widened here in Sweden :) Here they are off the Peugeot ...607? The regular estate.
I managed to find 17" regular clean looking round hole rims from an Ford Kuga! Not the biggest fan of oddly shaped holes in my wheel ;) But the bean ones looks good!
Super. The valve hole still needs to be turned to the other side ...
great video
Thanks man!
creamtube you should post a video with them on
Nice
Creamtube, this was few years ago now. Are you still widening wheels for Volvo 740?
I've seen alot of the new Ford Cars now come in 5x108, I think the Ford Fusion wheels with flipped barrels would be perfect look. Maybe widen to x10, as I think factory is x7
Omg, missed this comment!
I'm kind of on a hold now. It's alot of work for not that much pay...
But Ye, seen some fords with super wide wheels as well!
My father told me about doing this when he was a teenager 60+ years ago.. They were rivited vs. Welded back then.
Ye, very oldschool. Never done a riveted wheel
amigo yo estoy intentando hacer el aro así como ese que usted está haciendo pero usa como dos potones en cada lado de los cuatro y no me deja quitarlo
Cómo te aseguras de que queda bien centrado?
I done this once years ago I just couldn’t get my center part center the wheel had a little wobble in it quess I bent the center trying to get it out
very nice man! how did you balance the rims?
hammer it in, hang it on the jigg and spinn it to see where its at, take it down, hammer it, hang it up in the jigg to see where its at x54...... Its an almost endless jobb x)
How do you air it up? did you drill a new whole for the air stem?
nono, just fill it up before u put it on the car. yes, it's alittle annoying to air it up with the valve on the backside, but all u gotta do is lay down and search for the valve . All for that clean look ;)
There are also adapters to help when the valve is on the inside
Just buy some 90 Degree Bend Tyre Valve Extension Adapter from amazon.
Cool!!
Land Rover rims next 😎
Dam.... that’s awesome lol
My question is what tire did you put on it did you go low profile on it?
And great video.
Nelson Rodriguez unfortuneitly sort or ordinary tyers, but one customer I sold to put 165/45 I think, on his rims and it looked really good!
This vid is awesome. Not having luck getting steel rims tho.
Jamie Pittorino thanks :) Ye finding the right wheels can be hard :/
I have rims for my F250 with no centers. I want to have centers cut and weld them in. How accurate does runout have to be and how do you align the centers with the rim when you weld them up so they don't wobble? Thanks
Just make sure it's a good press fit. That helps to keep it from moving when welding.
But other than that, just use clamps to keep it in place.
And take your time balancing it. Little taps all around to make it less and less wobbly.
Good luck! 😊
@@creamtube Thanks!
Wery nice. What numbers did you gen on the alignment machine?
Thank you! Differs on all the setups I made. I always aim for 0-0 but 15-5 or 10-0 isn't even noticeable in the car, no added weights.
@@creamtube wow thats straight, I'v seen new factory rims with no tyres needed more
@@aljosagajst8725 Ye, varies greatly. Most steel wheels are horribly wobbly. But with alot of patience and even more tapping wiyh the 🔨 anyone can do it! It's just soooooo booooring and time consuming
How much further do the wheels come out then when they were stock?
On a volvo 7/940 they lay flat with the fender, if u slam it. Looks rly rly good. Just count the et reversed
Hey don't get me wrong bro, looks like a lot of hard work and its actually impressive for sure. I didn't realize you were welding lol i thought you just pounded those in and called it a day haha my bad bro
Bob Knobgobbler this is what i wanna hear! Ye, this video is very incomplete, can't even remember if I make any effort to show the welding... 😅😅
This video took off for some unexplained reason, but I should make better effort to show the welding for sure!
What-s the tire dimension before and after? Thx, great job!!
Its the same tire. 185/55-16
Lmfao the dimension doesn't change 😆😆😆😆😆
Är det 850 eller V70 fälg du jobbar med? Håller själv på med 940 fälgar på de visset du gör men dom går inte att göra så med för hårt pressade
Det kan vara hemskt men 940 fälgar tror jag nog ska funka fint. Kapa mera, djupare och ner i själva facet/ansiktet/"ekrarna". Vanligt att man inte prickar roten på svetsen
Kämpa på!
Thnka mate
How did you get the face leveled for it to be welded back on? Did you mark it?
When u hammer it back in, u can use the cuts u made from removing the face.
The cuts in the barrel.
But otherwise u need to get it back on the jigg and spin and see where to hammer more etc
Wouldn't it be similar to run the wheels backwards?
when u drive did u feel any discomfort by the way nice look
Niz Nizhar no shakiness, no discomfort. been flipping a couple of sets now so I've gotten the hang of it :)
nice
doing this on mine right now but how the hell did you get the center back in lol having zero luck getting it back into the barrel
+God Modeon Hehe, that can be tricky indeed. I asume u grinded the welds and surface rust away with an "sandpaper disc"(Unsure of the english word). Dont over do this tho. Then u place it and hammer it down with the same steel rod u used to get it out. Depending on how far down the edges go before it gets into a tight fit; i used the sledgehammer directly onto the center, since these rims have an rly high ET(52). Its all about repetition. Hammer over and over and over and over... x)
This is an old comment but put the barrel in the oven and put the center in the deep freeze gives you some leeway
can it redrill for valve stem then old spot put valve stem and just refill air on new spot valve stem ??
Yes! u can weld the old hole and drill a new one on the correct side. I didnt cause ....im...lazy. x)
Interesting valve stem location.
That's an awesome job.
Thanks! :)
You're welcome! Cheers from Chile. :)
How did you welded it?
+N. Vasconcelos With a welder ... Hehe, simple as that. I put the same amount and length of welds where i previously cut them out.
And what about the valve? is he going to be on the back side all the time and one will have to take the wheel off or lift whole car to check tire pressure?
Ur choice. On these i kept it on the backside to have a cleaner look
I have a question, Does it matter if the airvalve is on the inside of the rim or do i need to have it on the outside? I see in the video that you got it on the inside
Love the vido btw!
It's annoying to check ur pressure, that's it :p
It's a preference in what style u want. U can re drill it
Thank u!
@@creamtube Okey thanks! :)
Valve stem hole was welded shut and redrilled in correct location.
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What AC rods would you use for this ?
zane lile no clue, I use mig. Whatever is standard in the stuck world should be fine
I may be wrong but isn't the tyre valve now on the inside? Looking at the end of the video it is. That's gonna be a nightmare if needs to be pumped up
It sure it!
It's for looks and its simple. Usually i drill a new hole but it's up to whoever wants the wheels.
This called the old switcheroo is it not does any one have any more info on the cultural aspect
Im looking for somebody to change 14x6 to 15x8 using the same centers.
Can this be done on a 2010 gmc sierra 6 lug?
Should be :) any cool big rims?
Ficou Bem legal Chuck
NO idea what u just said, sorry X)
When you did this did the back spacing change
Peter. Hatch the ET changes, yes. Sort of reversed but since it's just a 7" wide wheel, the negative ET isn't that dramatic. If u wanna widened it, u do it inward.
Sorry i dont know what e.t. is
usted no me puede ayudar en poderme dar una idea que poderlo quitar
Te białe skarpetki super 😂🤣
Yup, but does it clear the brake callipers?
What do u mean?
creamtube nevermind, I did not realise that wheel centres still mount the same way to the hub (it’s the barrels that are actually reversed). Derrrr
@@radovicdragan Even the most perfect of ppl make mistakes..
So shape up, man!
(joking 😁)
Looks like the valve stem are now on the inside side of your wheels.
Correct. for that clean look!
And for not possible way to pump your tyre when th presure is low .... well you can aways lay under the car or take the tyre off :D
D' KING I'd like to see him mounting tires xd
Little flameble spray like WD40 or break cleaner than kaboooom and its ready :D
Clean look....except the valve running along your drum or hitting the brake caliper every turn of the wheel - good idea but that's definitely an issue
Im on the west coast America 150 miles north of L.A
The ET is the backspacing.... i think? The offset i mean.
Ah, well im in Sweden :P alittle far perhaps
Will a car be able to turn after this?
Yes! :)
should have applied minimal even heat too wheel outer and centre would have dropped out, nice work...
+Richard Newhouse Ye, good idea! But i changed the tool to a hardened "stick"(dunno the engrish word). This thing i was hammering on was a rly soft steel, took forever! The new hardened one goes way faster.
wait do you have to weld it?
I know its a stupid question
mansagar guy yes, very much yes!
creamtube is it hard to do I am a amateur welder should I try it
mansagar guy what welder do u have? stick? flux wire? if Ure good with a stick, practice on thick scrap metal first. got flux wire, Idk if I would do it... it's gotta weld fairly well so u don't lay sleepless at night worrying hehe
creamtube yah I have a flux
creamtube maybe I'll wait till I have a good welder
👍
doing this to my bicycle
P71SN1P3R hella cool, 9"wide?
creamtube great vid. it beats bolting on spacers or adapters on wheels. hella? you from California
Sure does!
Im from OutOfState.... Out of continent even, Sweden to be exact ;)
did you have to weld it back on again?
Yes, bad explanation on this one from me. I forgot to show a kind of critical part 😂
creamtube and did u weld the whole way around the rim or just sections? And front or back or both?
@@evanogrady9076 no u can weld just as it is originally. But I usually place a few more spots
All symmetrical, so there no weird balancing issiues
creamtube okay bro thanks very much for the help👍🏻
Is there any negative effect? Does it damage the axel or the bearings to do this?
How do you add air ??????
Thrue The valve 😄
It's on the inside for looks but can be changed
@@creamtube ahhh ok. I was confused for a quick second.
1:34 hubcaps, anybody?
Wheres the video on the car and driving?
Never made one, what's the point?
I would use them inside out, budget diamond steelies.. lol
Lmao good way to die😂😂
trying to make some to sell need these in 5x108
Christian C i can Make iT .
Ford bois gonna be losing wheels left and right
How did your guarantee it was true?
2low2rl see if it runs true in the jigg, check with an indicator because trusting ur eyes can be deceiving, then I always testrun my wheels and lastly a tyre shop checks it. almost always more true then stock IF the wheel is in a fair condition
So many people in here just mind-blown that the valve stem is now on the inside LMAO. Here's a thought if you're concerned - DRILL A NEW HOLE!! I know crazy right? Who'd have thought! 🤯🤯🤯
Seems so hard for some x)
I do it for whoever wants that. Simple, but it's endless commentary :p
So good?
Ratstyleshop Classic Parts Ure my kind of company, so yeah rock on!
Nice, now you fill up the air from the inside lol
Read description, the vid is very incomplete. Since all the work is made, drilling a new hole isn't all too complicated
Were these wheels off a front wheel drive car?
+Buelligan88 Yes, but it has no matter :) Its from an volvo after 2008 16". Ford has the same but they are plugwelded which means u cant get the center loose without way too much work
creamtube The negative offset with play havoc with your steering geometry if you run them up front.
+Buelligan88 Kind of not true. Havoc is way over the line of exaggeration. Im not the first guy to do this, weather its street use or racing ;)
creamtube You'll see.
+Buelligan88 Ive been driving with flipped, widend, different width rims for a while... So ye, i will see :)
how the f do u fill your tires with air? the valve stem ended up inside...
+Christopher Martinez What, u put the wheel on the car and THEN inflate it...? :P Nah, this is optional, next set will have the valve on the correct side. These were more of an fast make. But there's no problem to fill, just make sure u got a fresh valve and it will not leak hardly anything :)
It's just a hole... you could weld in the old hole and drill a new one anywhere ya like.
Is there enough clearance between the valve stem and brakes?
rodas massa mano
Mass wheel.... something.... Cool! :P
The hard part has been carefully edited out.
well, I guess I don't need to spend money to get diamond steelies
Diamond steelies are cool for sure, but a budge home made thing has more street cred ;)
how long did this take to do?
Cassette Laser all depends on how much stamina u have. if u slack off u can orally make one rim each evening after work/school
i'll hit the treadmill and get to work then, thanks!
any tips/ techniques to keep it from wobbling when you put the center back in?
Cassette Laser is it not lining up good when u hit back in? keep at it and tap it where the highspots are. put in ur car/jigg and spin it and continue like that til Ure happy.
if it's twisting when u weld u can clamp it down and tack weld on low settings. I've had some trouble with welding some wheels where the stupid thing wouldn't sit still and it moved whatever I did :p
Is this bad for your car? Any dangers to it?
Vince Bmx The "bad" things I can think of is Rly minor.
unbalance can put extra wear and tare on bushings or stuff, but that can be said about anything.
the load on the bearing can be different, but I doubt it's so much it will wear.
ppl have been putting wide wheels on car since forever, so just make it balanced and it should have no negative setbacks :)
creamtube thank you! And what is your technique for diy balancing
Vince Bmx its all a time wasting operation X) so much tapping and throwing it on my jig and spinning it. alittle tap over here, back on the spinning jig, take it off, hammer/tap, back on.....X20, can go easy with some wheels, some are hard.
I have a new way of turning the center, but havnt tried it yet. it's a much easier way, so keep a look out for a vid in the future ;)
Can you do a more detailed video? this looks pretty cool but I didn't understand what you did
Veronica Lopez he inverted the rim so it look recessed/deep dish. it's an Ole school trick from back in the day.
Ahh okay i see, this is pretty much how diamond steels are made then?
Veronica Lopez hey wait a minute , your not that chick that drives that 240 that had that LS swap are you ?
myBALLZareONyourCHIN no thats not me haha my 240 isnt swapped yet )): single cam n/a atm
Veronica Lopez sad emoji , ok you sure look like he but cool. Yeah I just inherited my late brothers semi stock s13 , so it's time to swipe the card for a whole bunch of upgrades.
Mera bhi kam yehi hai bhai ji rim banana ka hai
i cut the welding but the center don't want to fell.
i cut the weld like you.
Michele Guerri this is one of the pains in the buttox! Sweep the grinder back and forth til it's smooth. Then smash like mad once again. Make sure u grind in a very slight angle down on the flat part of the center(the thing u wanna flip around), this will make sure the 90degree weld is as thin as possible, if not totally grinder away.
Then hammer with a solid iron bar. Just ask again if it isn't working! Love to help :)
thanks but i really don't know why it don't fell because i'm doing what you draw. i'm really angry so how much you want for doing this for me? XDXD
Michele Guerri hehehe! I assume we live to far from each other... xD
Anyways u can show me some pics or anything?
how? have you some social or whatsapp because i can't show photo on youtube
no problem. i sand you my rims when you have done i pay you and here is the problem, you re send me the rims
only issue is now you have to fill up the tire from the inside, no? so it wouldnt be practical for a daily :v
Looks great.. i only see one issue!.. checking the air once wheel is fitted 😔
Tiago F been well discussed here :) it's skittle bit of a pain to check but if u got air leaking u should fix it
creamtube missed that discussion.. i check my tire pressure every weekend along with engine coolent and oil! Even if i have no reason to do it, i still do it just to be on the safe side ;)
Ure right, thats the right way to go! Saves tyres and fuel. Its truly an inconvenience with the valve on the other side but its kinda an easy fix to weld it and drill a new hole :) .......all tho i never do that on the wheels i sell, noones questioning it xD
creamtube guess its "dont fix it if it aint broken" kinda thing 😂 ..on a serious note ive seen valve adapters or longer valve housings.. like the ones you see on truck wheels specially on double wheels that might be an easier/faster fix althought making a new hole and welding the old one is a no-brainer! Good work bro, im thinking on gettin some steelies like these for my car! Gives out an oldschool vibe and i like it! Peace
Is this safe?
Letzki yes. look at stock steel wheels and see how bad the welds are...
they used to call them reverse wheels. Too bad you didn't show welding them back together.
Ye, translation barrier, sorry x)
And ye again, stupid rushed idea i had to film the process and never filmed the welding part
Thank you for this video. Are they strong enough for off-road my friend? I will use your method on a set of shitty suzuki vitara steelies. Ha! For a mean look!
Thanks mate! Sure, just weld some more/longer beads and it will be fine :)
by the look of it you need to pump the tire from the other side
91 Stars all for that cleaner look, yes.
if it's not liked, drill a new hole :)
Pumping it up may be a bother 🤓
where's the wire wheel when you need it
Josh Young homeless depot, horrible freight, any of the usual stores... ;)
creamtube Homeless depot hahah
i'am so doing this dude
Ramen Garage do it!! everyone MUST do this hehe.
sir ur contact number
riyaz flyingcats what do u mean?
+creamtube to make my wheel wide I asked his number
ramen garage where are you from?