My main disagreements: 1) Moonlight and pathetique should be switched 2) Rach sonata 2 should be above prokofiev 7 and beethoven op. 111. Actually I might even put prokofiev 7 below chopin 3 3) Hammerklavier should be above scriabin 5
@@Bruceykeys How would it not? Scriabin 5 is not even that hard; I think 7 and 8 are definitely harder. Hammerklavier is 4x the length, harder musically, and at least as hard technically. Actually, I'd even argue prokofiev 8 is quite a bit harder than scriabin 5. Just because the Hammerklavier doesn't look or sound that difficult doesn't mean it isn't, unlike the liszt sonata which is technically easier than it sounds. If you think the hammerklavier isn’t extremely difficult, you just haven’t performed the whole sonata at or near the metronome markings.
@@Bruceykeys last movement. the last movement is more mentally demanding than any scriabin sonata besides 5, 7, and 8. it's stupidly long, and requires immense emotionally maturity (3rd mov), along with stupid technical gifts.
@@chwu04-ne2df prokofiev 8 is indeed harder than scriabin 5, the last movement rivals feux follets and the long ass first movement is mentally taxing as well
Thanks a lot for this great video! I just want to mention that Hoffman's interpretation of Chopin's Sonata no. 2 is a lot better than the one here in my opinion. I think Rachmaninoff quitted playing it after hearing him playing it. His feelings are just "right" for this piece. Even though the sound quality isn't too good in the available recording on UA-cam, it's probably my favourite interpretation of a classical piece in general.
I mean if you're going to put a scriabin sonata in a difficulty comparison I would say the 8th can rival hammerklavier, the 5th probably not so much. But then again very few things can rival that final fugue...
Sriabin 5 and 8 are long time rivals in terms of difficulty, for some its 5 harder, for some 8, for me 5 and for me it beats hammerklavier by 🤏🏼, but like you said, I agree that 8 can also rival it
The Fugue is not that bad... I sound like I'm rage-baiting but I genuinely don't think the Beethoven Fugue is more difficult than something Bach would do or Barber. The only argument you can make for it is that it's hard to play well, but that can be said for any other musical piece. The 5th and 8th are around the same level, both are not as pianisttically intricate as the likes of Sonata 7 but feature extreme uses of certain techniques (5 witth octave chord jumps and 8 with rapid 4ths) so I think they are fairly interchangeable. (I may be biased since I've played 5th to oblivion while I haven't seriously performed 8 before)
Wondering where the Barber sonata would be since I’m working on it right now, and it’s one of the hardest pieces I’ve played. But I read there’s a part two coming out so I wonder if it’ll be in there :^)
Most likely that it will be there, and I have some very exciting news for all of you, most probably part 2 of most of these videos will be in an extended template format!
Splendid video!!! For scriabin's 5th who played that?also I'm surprised u put Liszt's over Rach 2n imo when learning both. The Rach felt more awkward at times
@@sebastian-benedictflore We can’t just include “The Greatest finales of all time”, the list has to start from the bottom. Therefore I propose Scherzo 3.
Yeah, that would have been good too! Also (and I just have to complain to you about this because idk if anyone else would care lol), but I played the first movement earlier this year, and the performance they chose didn’t do it justice! It was way to slow in my opinion
I wouldn't like to tell you because soon I will make part 2 to this video and those sonatas will all be there, and btw, I don't think Liszts Dante Sonata is a Sonata, I think its a fantasy, but I am not sure; Thank you:)
Mostly fine list. Would've been nice to see a few of the well-known sonatas of the second half of the 20th century though. Boulez's 2nd and Bararque's would probably both be close. Vine 1 would've also been nice to see just because it's a pretty popular showpiece. * Still, this clearly took a while to compile so nice work. *(I'm not mentioning these just to be contrarian. I do actually enjoy Boulez's 2nd and Vine's 1st as pieces of music, though Barraque's is interminably boring to listen to no matter how many times I've tried)
La sonata 14 di Beethoven è classificata troppo semplice, in realtà è un mostro, e soprattutto molto più difficile di tante altre messe dopo come difficoltà
@@DynastieArtistique Even Chopin 3 is harder than Scriabin 5 lol. Not even remotely close to being as hard as where all these difficulty rankings put it.
@@chwu04-ne2df Chopin 3 is NOT harder than Scriabin 5. When I said Hammerklavier is more difficult than Scriabin 5, I wasn’t downplaying Scriabin 5, I was up playing Hammerklavier. Scriabin 5 is EXTREMELY difficult
@@DynastieArtistique I was joking with Chopin 3 lol. But prokofiev 6 and 8 (not in the video) for me are also definitely harder. Also Scriabin 7 and 8.
@@chwu04-ne2df Prok 6 and 8 I’m not familiar enough yet I’ll check them out, for Scriabin 7 and 8 they’re both a hard case cause I think they’re harder than 5 but in a different way. Some ppl will say 8 is harder than 7 but I say 7 is harder, richter also said 5 is the very hardest in the repertoire, and he played both 7 and 5. No matter the order 5, 7, 8 are the three hardest of his sonata
@@DynastieArtistique Depends on tempo tbh. Scriabin 5 is usually played around 11-12 minutes. Richter apparently played it in under 10. But I still think prokofiev 8 coda is definitely harder than anything in Scriabin 5, and it’s also much longer and harder to interpret.
@@SkibidiChoppyDaddy not a matter of taste… this take is horrible. I would trust you if you played each of them your self, but this does not regard opinion. Music is not subjective, who ever thinks that hasn’t matured in music.
Its funny that you mentioned that if I have played them, I played many out of these sonatas, Beethoven Sonatina, Mozart Sonata D Major, Scarlatti Sonata d minor, Beethoven Moonlight Sonata, Waldstein Sonata, Appassionata and more... and I have the rights to put them in this order, you don't tho, especially because you said that """"music isn't subjective and whoever says that hasn't matured"""" is the most untrue thing I have heard in my whole entire life no joke, music cannot be more diverse and huge than what it actually is, and I think you haven't matured to realise that!
@@SkibidiChoppyDaddy I don’t think you matured enough to understand what I said… also, did you learn the Rachmaninoff sonata? The Liszt? The Chopin? You snowflakes can’t comprehend that there is good music and bad music, good performance and bad performance. You can say it’s most untrue, but you can’t give evidence against it. Diversity does not mean subjective.
Lol, its funny that you've mentioned that, I am practising Rach sonata 2 right now, the 1913 version, Rach sonata 1 is so much more difficult still, technical difficulty is of the chain and its a lot longer
@@SkibidiChoppyDaddy It depends actually... main trouble with rach 1st sonata is that it’s freaking long. I've played both sonatas, and I can say that rach sonata 2 (at least the version from 1913) is still technically much more challenging
00:01 Clementi sonatina №1 op.36
00:17 Beethoven Sonatina №2.
00:46 Haydn sonata №47.
1:15 Mozart Sonata №10 K.330
2:55 Mozart sonata №9 K.311 1st movement.
3:40 Beethoven sonata №1 4th movement.
4:31 Scarlatti Sonata in D minor K.1
5:12 Beethoven sonata №14 "Mondschein".
6:31 Mozart sonata №15 in F major.
7:53 Beethoven sonata №8 «Pathétique» 3rd movement.
8:48 Mozart Sonata №18 K.576
9:17 Beethoven sonata №17 «Tempest».
10:07 Schubert Sonata №19 D.958.
I love that u only stop when its appropriate, its perfect to listen, even though its a compilation!! :)
Thank you, I try not to cut out any of the good parts
I love how the sheet music is attached. Now I can play along.
Best comment
Isn’t it nice to sight read Ives concord along with the performance?
00:01 Clementi sonatina №1 op.36
00:17 Beethoven Sonatina №2.
00:46 Haydn sonata №47.
1:15 Mozart Sonata №10 K.330
2:55 Mozart sonata №9 K.311 1st movement.
3:40 Beethoven sonata №1 4th movement.
4:31 Scarlatti Sonata in D minor K.1
5:12 Beethoven sonata №14 "Mondschein".
6:31 Mozart sonata №15 in F major.
7:53 Beethoven sonata №8 «Pathétique» 3rd movement.
8:48 Mozart Sonata №18 K.576
9:17 Beethoven sonata №17 «Tempest».
10:07 Schubert Sonata №19 D.958.
10:24 Beethoven Adieux sonata no26
11:57 Beethoven Waldstein sonata no21
12:46 Beethoven appassionata sonata no23
15:46 Chopin sonata no2
18:03 Rachmaninoff sonata no2
18:38 Chopin sonata 3
19:21 Prokofiev sonata 7
20:05 Beethoven sonata 32
20:36 Czerny sonata op268 no10
21:36 Liszt sonata b minor
22:25 Rachmaninoff sonata 1
24:38 Beethoven hammerklavier sonata
26:29 Scriabin sonata 5
27:17 Ives sonata 2
27:45 Szymanowski sonata 3 op 36
28:32 Sroabji sonata 5
Nice video! I would have loved to see Alkan's Grande Sonata on here as well :)
My main disagreements:
1) Moonlight and pathetique should be switched
2) Rach sonata 2 should be above prokofiev 7 and beethoven op. 111. Actually I might even put prokofiev 7 below chopin 3
3) Hammerklavier should be above scriabin 5
How would Beethoven be above Scriabin?
@@Bruceykeys How would it not? Scriabin 5 is not even that hard; I think 7 and 8 are definitely harder. Hammerklavier is 4x the length, harder musically, and at least as hard technically. Actually, I'd even argue prokofiev 8 is quite a bit harder than scriabin 5. Just because the Hammerklavier doesn't look or sound that difficult doesn't mean it isn't, unlike the liszt sonata which is technically easier than it sounds. If you think the hammerklavier isn’t extremely difficult, you just haven’t performed the whole sonata at or near the metronome markings.
@@Bruceykeys last movement. the last movement is more mentally demanding than any scriabin sonata besides 5, 7, and 8. it's stupidly long, and requires immense emotionally maturity (3rd mov), along with stupid technical gifts.
@@chwu04-ne2df prokofiev 8 is indeed harder than scriabin 5, the last movement rivals feux follets and the long ass first movement is mentally taxing as well
@@chwu04-ne2df I can see your points but I still don't think the Beethoven sonatas are more difficult
wow I actually identified Uchida's sound by just listening
I love the mr. Incredible meme, its nice to still see it alive 😅😊
Imagine your favorite beethoven sonata is no.29 but you can't even play those large chords
Thanks a lot for this great video!
I just want to mention that Hoffman's interpretation of Chopin's Sonata no. 2 is a lot better than the one here in my opinion. I think Rachmaninoff quitted playing it after hearing him playing it. His feelings are just "right" for this piece. Even though the sound quality isn't too good in the available recording on UA-cam, it's probably my favourite interpretation of a classical piece in general.
Huh? That was chopins 3rd sonata you're talking about. Rachmaninoff has the best 2nd sonata in existence
@@sovietunion4875 are you sure?
I mean if you're going to put a scriabin sonata in a difficulty comparison I would say the 8th can rival hammerklavier, the 5th probably not so much. But then again very few things can rival that final fugue...
Sriabin 5 and 8 are long time rivals in terms of difficulty, for some its 5 harder, for some 8, for me 5 and for me it beats hammerklavier by 🤏🏼, but like you said, I agree that 8 can also rival it
The Fugue is not that bad... I sound like I'm rage-baiting but I genuinely don't think the Beethoven Fugue is more difficult than something Bach would do or Barber. The only argument you can make for it is that it's hard to play well, but that can be said for any other musical piece.
The 5th and 8th are around the same level, both are not as pianisttically intricate as the likes of Sonata 7 but feature extreme uses of certain techniques (5 witth octave chord jumps and 8 with rapid 4ths) so I think they are fairly interchangeable. (I may be biased since I've played 5th to oblivion while I haven't seriously performed 8 before)
What about Ives Sonata "Concord"?
27:17
Because it’s sooo boring
@@Nicolas-io5hj shut up
@@lisztomaniac2718 say this to Ives. And he could learn composition stupid ignorant.
@@aml-071thecosmicenderman3 you’re just no one to be so rude. And to speak about music. If you can call that shit music
Wondering where the Barber sonata would be since I’m working on it right now, and it’s one of the hardest pieces I’ve played. But I read there’s a part two coming out so I wonder if it’ll be in there :^)
Most likely that it will be there, and I have some very exciting news for all of you, most probably part 2 of most of these videos will be in an extended template format!
@@SkibidiChoppyDaddy ay that’s nice! Thank you man. Curious about further content also! Subbed
Splendid video!!! For scriabin's 5th who played that?also I'm surprised u put Liszt's over Rach 2n imo when learning both. The Rach felt more awkward at times
Thank you!!! Marc Andre Hamelin played Scriabin 5
Rach Sonata 2 is a hell-hole
Why?
You should do “Greatest endings”. Ideas: Alkan concerto, Chopin scherzo 3, Chopin ballades, Rach 2, Rach 3, Rach sonata 2 etc
Astonishing idea
@@SkibidiChoppyDaddy Another iconic ending is Debussy L’isle joyeuse (last few seconds), Liszt mephisto waltz (YOU HAVE TO DO HOROWITZ VERSION)
Scherzo 3 should not make the cut
@@sebastian-benedictflore We can’t just include “The Greatest finales of all time”, the list has to start from the bottom. Therefore I propose Scherzo 3.
@@Apex_Piano mmm, good point.
What about Medtner op.25 no.2 “Night Wind”? It would be one of the tops in a next part
I dare say the Chris Dench sonata is harder than all of these
😳😳😳......Even harder than Sorabji?? I will give it a listen
@@SkibidiChoppyDaddy in my opinion, yeah, although it's probably realistically a tie
should've used appassionata coda 😭
Yeah, that would have been good too! Also (and I just have to complain to you about this because idk if anyone else would care lol), but I played the first movement earlier this year, and the performance they chose didn’t do it justice! It was way to slow in my opinion
🔥🔥
who is playing rach sonata 1? thats an amazing interp
Yes, its absolutely marvelous, though I like Valentina Lisitsas interpretation the best, its John Ogdon
I can't even play the first one! I am not a pianist, though, but still, how is this possible?
I know this may sound like an oversimplification, but really all it is is just years and years of consistent practice 😅
Where would you place Liszt Dante Sonata, Godowsky Piano Sonata, Medtner Night Wind Sonata and Carl Vine Sonata 1? Nice video :)
I wouldn't like to tell you because soon I will make part 2 to this video and those sonatas will all be there, and btw, I don't think Liszts Dante Sonata is a Sonata, I think its a fantasy, but I am not sure; Thank you:)
Mostly fine list. Would've been nice to see a few of the well-known sonatas of the second half of the 20th century though. Boulez's 2nd and Bararque's would probably both be close. Vine 1 would've also been nice to see just because it's a pretty popular showpiece. *
Still, this clearly took a while to compile so nice work.
*(I'm not mentioning these just to be contrarian. I do actually enjoy Boulez's 2nd and Vine's 1st as pieces of music, though Barraque's is interminably boring to listen to no matter how many times I've tried)
Where’s Feinberg 3
Its not in this video but go ahead and watch my video of solo piano pieces from easiest to hardest, its in there
needs more Prokofiev
ok that hammerklavier fugue is so clean, who's the performer?
Igor Levit
La sonata 14 di Beethoven è classificata troppo semplice, in realtà è un mostro, e soprattutto molto più difficile di tante altre messe dopo come difficoltà
Hammerklavier is definitely harder than Scriabin 5
@@DynastieArtistique Even Chopin 3 is harder than Scriabin 5 lol. Not even remotely close to being as hard as where all these difficulty rankings put it.
@@chwu04-ne2df Chopin 3 is NOT harder than Scriabin 5. When I said Hammerklavier is more difficult than Scriabin 5, I wasn’t downplaying Scriabin 5, I was up playing Hammerklavier. Scriabin 5 is EXTREMELY difficult
@@DynastieArtistique I was joking with Chopin 3 lol. But prokofiev 6 and 8 (not in the video) for me are also definitely harder. Also Scriabin 7 and 8.
@@chwu04-ne2df Prok 6 and 8 I’m not familiar enough yet I’ll check them out, for Scriabin 7 and 8 they’re both a hard case cause I think they’re harder than 5 but in a different way. Some ppl will say 8 is harder than 7 but I say 7 is harder, richter also said 5 is the very hardest in the repertoire, and he played both 7 and 5. No matter the order 5, 7, 8 are the three hardest of his sonata
@@DynastieArtistique Depends on tempo tbh. Scriabin 5 is usually played around 11-12 minutes. Richter apparently played it in under 10. But I still think prokofiev 8 coda is definitely harder than anything in Scriabin 5, and it’s also much longer and harder to interpret.
Ah yes, Sroabji.
no way you put szymanowsky 3 above the ives
That was a hard decision that I had to make, I had to put one above other, I chose Szymanowsky
It's kinda understandable although I think concord is harder by a few
bro the Haydn at 3????? are you kidding me lol
Compared to all of these, yeah🥴...
What about Feinberg sonata 3 And Medtner Night Wind?
Rachmaninoff Sonata 2 under Chopin 3, Liszt, and Rach 1 is an interesting take...
Yea this guy doesn’t know how to rate the music…
Its my opinion!! Understand that, everyone has different taste!
@@SkibidiChoppyDaddy not a matter of taste… this take is horrible. I would trust you if you played each of them your self, but this does not regard opinion. Music is not subjective, who ever thinks that hasn’t matured in music.
Its funny that you mentioned that if I have played them, I played many out of these sonatas, Beethoven Sonatina, Mozart Sonata D Major, Scarlatti Sonata d minor, Beethoven Moonlight Sonata, Waldstein Sonata, Appassionata and more... and I have the rights to put them in this order, you don't tho, especially because you said that """"music isn't subjective and whoever says that hasn't matured"""" is the most untrue thing I have heard in my whole entire life no joke, music cannot be more diverse and huge than what it actually is, and I think you haven't matured to realise that!
@@SkibidiChoppyDaddy I don’t think you matured enough to understand what I said… also, did you learn the Rachmaninoff sonata? The Liszt? The Chopin? You snowflakes can’t comprehend that there is good music and bad music, good performance and bad performance. You can say it’s most untrue, but you can’t give evidence against it. Diversity does not mean subjective.
These are some really good recordings! Who did you use for the Op.57?
Thank you, Emil Gilels
Can you link/provide all the performers?
Part 2?
Soon
I don't think u have tried to play rach second sonata...It's 3 times more difficult than his first sonata and prok 7, trust me
Lol, its funny that you've mentioned that, I am practising Rach sonata 2 right now, the 1913 version, Rach sonata 1 is so much more difficult still, technical difficulty is of the chain and its a lot longer
@@SkibidiChoppyDaddy It depends actually... main trouble with rach 1st sonata is that it’s freaking long. I've played both sonatas, and I can say that rach sonata 2 (at least the version from 1913) is still technically much more challenging
Off topic, you played both sonatas.........................💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@SkibidiChoppyDaddy yes I did
How old are you????
Nah, where's Alkan's Grande Sonate with the 11 voices fugue
Im sorry for not adding it here, but, I have good news for you, go watch my video of pieces from slowest to fastest, its in there
@@SkibidiChoppyDaddy Ok
How come the mozart sonata no 15 is so high?
Oh, its simple, it's because of its difficulty😁
2:55 I would be crying tears of blood if I was forced to listen to this too
Is Rach Sonata 2 here the 1913 or 1931 version
1913, the good version
@@SkibidiChoppyDaddy Fair, but I thought it might have been 1931 cuz imo it was kind of low in the list
Who is the performer of the Liszt Sonata ?
Krystian Zimerman
@@SkibidiChoppyDaddy The single best version out there
I would love to see here some Medtner, he is the Goat!
I m looking forward to put him in some of my videos, his Night Wind sonata was nearly in this video!
Scarlatti more difficult than Beethoven n1 sonata?
Who is the pianist in Rach 1? 👀
John Ogdon
If me, i may order like this:
level 1: Clementi sonatina 1 op 36 Beethoven sonatina no2
level 2: Haydn sonata no 47
Level 3:mozart sonata K330, K533
Level 4: mozart sonata K311,Scarlatti sonata K1
Level 5: Beethoven sonata 1, Mozart K576
Level 6: Beethoven pathetique sonata
Level 7: Beethoven tempest sonata
Level 8: Beethoven moonlight sonata
Level 9: Schubert sonata D958
Level 10: Chopin sonata 2, Beethoven sonata 32
Level 11: Beethoven Waldstein, Adieux, appassionata sonata, Chopin sonata 3
Level 12: Rachmaninoff sonata 1-2, Liszt B minor sonata
Level 13: Prokofiev sonata 7
Level 14: Beethoven Hammerklavier sonata, Scriabin sonata 5
Level 15: Ives sonata 2, Szymankovski sonata 3, Sroabji sonata 5
who's the one playin scriabin sonata 5?
not the best i've heard but certainly interesting.
Marc Andre Hamelin
cactus copy
It is not a copy, I took his idea and improvised, like added a lot more phases and some big sonatas that he did not mention in his version