I've had a V-AMP PRO (rack mount) for about 14 years and couldn't quite get the tone I wanted. I purchased a Two Notes C.A.B about 6 months ago and didn't think about turning off the V-AMP cab sim and using the CAB IR as the speaker sim. Just tried and wow what a difference. That a keeper now. By the way sometimes the V-AMPs lose their config, that's down to the lithium battery, simple cheap fix just buy a replacement CR2032.
Sir, you are the only one I have ever witnessed on the Interwebs to make a RAT sound good in a way that made me say "Wow!". Thank you for that experience.
Hard to believe the VAmp 3 is over a decade old. Still holds up pretty well. It’s not perfect, but mine is still running strong after 10 years. Great for demos.
I'm a fan of "use what you got" and learning to get likable sounds out of just about anything. But...building an inventory to choose from is fun! I haven't used the V-amp (or any of the Pod/Helix stuff), but I like the sound you got out of it. Couldn't tell you which sample was which.
Oh man, long time listener, first time caller here... So I've come full circle and have discovered that I can definitely use pedals with a digital platform. I came up with this set up using the DigiTech RP360 because I wanted to get a more consistent sound. Wow!!! I still prefer a tube amp, but this definitely solves my issue when gigging in a more open air space where I need the PA to do the heavy lifting... And I probably suck at using a mic on my vox!!!
It's not just the sound, I've always felt that V-amps FEEL better when you play compared to a Line6 Pod. I had a V amp 2 when I was 14 and I miss how excited I was about it.
I totally agree. My V-Amp Pro was always better at producing a usable tone. Whereas with my POD HD500x I had to wrestle with it for several years, and I have never produced a satisfying tone out of it. Very frustrating.
My favorite effects pedal is my Wampler Ego Compressor, so when Brian Wampler recommended the V Amp 3, I trusted his opinion and purchased a V Amp 3 to give it a try. The unit is much larger than I imagined, and would not fit on a pedalboard, but it doesn't have any stomp buttons, so I just placed it on the floor within easy reach so I can adjust the myriad of settings controlled by the various dials. The V Amp 3 has so many options, in terms of, the amp, cabinet, and effects modeling, that it offers almost unlimited tone settings. The immediate impact on my guitar playing is that I want to practice twice as long, as normal, because I'm having so much fun playing with all the tones that my other 7-8 (single purpose) effects pedals could never match. Great investment for about $100!
Thats called preset overload. The real secret to any all in one unit is to make 3-5 core sounds with the ability to add effects to those as desired. Start from scratch. Presets can be a fun way to step out of your shoes for a moment though. Hear a tone, imagine a genre and go. A good way to some new playing styles.
Playing one, V-Amp 3, at this moment. Well not exactly at this moment because I am typing. It's a great practice tool. Quick and dirty tone machine / sketch pad.
I use the Zoom G1XOn and I love it. It's very cheap, compact and light. You can stack 5 effects and there is a HUGE variety. Also, you can use a bunch of amp sims. You can get almost any tone in it. No complains (considering the price). It also has a tunner, a drum machine and a loop pedal built in, but I almost never use these.
the g1on the g1XOn - those units have the SAME models as the g5 flagship . i own a g1on and a g3 , a b1 and an old b2 . the g models are fantastic . i have no idea why more people arent hip to these machines . i am guessing its because zoom has a reputation for having crappy distortion and cheap multieffects . i paid 49 for the g1on - on a whim and i was blown away -i use it live -outdoors . three years later i am still using it . i got the g3 for 110 dollars with a exp pedal , ps , manual etc . they are both using the same models and those models are all excellent . the drum machine sounds are crap , but the tuner works really well . there is editor software for the g3 and librarian for both . the g1 - programing it is intuitive and very easy . hats off to zoom . why wampler doesnt know about these ?
@@peteytwofinger I read somewhere that the processors and the software of the G1, G3 and G5 are the SAME. The only thing the G1 lacks is the physical things, like more outputs, more lcds, individual stomp buttons, etc... But the sound IS THE SAME! Also, regarding the software, there is a free one that can connect to the G1On too, you can edit, save, load and even share your presets there. Here: tonelib.net/ (It's the ToneLib Zoom, of course...)
I had a look at the G5n in videos and its manuals and while i think it sounds very good especially since its quite inexpensive. Myself coming from 20 years of using Boss modellers i feel it was pretty limited when it came to the editing compared to Boss, that was a bit of a dealbreaker to me. Soundwise i easily prefered the Zoom to the Boss GT100 though and the Boss is far more expensive, so if you can live with the limitations in the Zoom then absolutely go for it.
You're spot on with the IR stuff. The cabinets tend to sound crap on these devices. Well maybe not the 2000 dollar range, but for sure on the budget models. Thank god for Impulse responses :)
some session / studio musicians have commented on other videos that the first version does in fact have a couple studio-ready cab models they would use for recording with any amp model, but they weren't included on any later version of the V-Amps for some reason...
Digital processing generally seems brighter than analog where there's some natural roll off of the higher freqs, based on my own observations and as best I can tell on YT, the first one has the brighter edge, so I did think clip 1 to be the V-amp 3.
I prefered the second clip by far at least when it came to the clean sound, but i actually thought that was the Behringer since it sounded more like an ideal sound than clip one which sounded a bit more gritty and less perfect. Having used modellers for many years i feel that they often go more for trying to create an idealised sound of an amp rather than a less perfect sound image, the real amp sound more real and often less perfect. These days making out what is a real amp and a modeller isnt easy, take the comparisons between a Kemper and the profiled amp which you virtually cant hear any difference in.
On the fender amp, RAT set-up does sound appart when comparing with TS9 set-up. On V-amp3 there is not much difference (to my ear though) in tone between them. Both sound amazing, just on clean channel V-amp3 sound more focused and tight, but, as I said, not bad at all...
I used to own Vamp 2 and I could immediately recognise the overly compressed clean tone. What made me sell the unit was the fact that using the effects really sucked the life out of the tone. I wonder if they fixed that issue with V3?
I'll put in a plug for the Johnson J-Station. Also a table-top unit like the VAmp, it has multiple amp emulations, some very decent effects, and numerous other features, including storable presets. Generally available 2nd hand for well under $100. I paid much less than that for mine.
Although I had a hard time getting the tone I wanted out of it I did appreciate its ability to handle bass and acoustic as well and I agree the effects were decent. It was the higher gain stuff I couldn't quite get right.
I guessed right, but the V-Amp was not horrible by any means. It just seems like the Fender has more of a presence, if that makes sense. Another way to put it, is that it sounds more lively sounding.
You got great tone from that combination. The processors I use, (Korg and Zoom) like pedals after in the chain. I also use Behringer tube microphone preamps last in the signal chain to set a balace of gain/signal hitting the front of my amps. You can dial in guitar attack and volume sensetivity with the preamp and play as loud or quiet as you want with great tones. I don't even use my tube amps (Fender, Vox, and Sunn) anymore and use Roland cube or Behringer V-tone amps for a clean pedal platform. The tube amps are too fragile and costly to fix, not to mention heavy as hell.
Thanks for a simple and effective demo. I've wondered about this hybrid method, but never took the time to test it out. I actually preferred the V-Amp w/ IR's sound, at least through whatever UA-cam may be doing to the sonics. So, while waiting for the Boss Amp Xpander to actually hit the streets, I'm going to experiment with my old Line6 Pod XTLive with cab emulation off and spring for a set of Celestion IR's. Can't hurt to have the quality IR's, no matter what the experimental outcomes.
When I first started playing guitar, I got a Zoom G3n and used that as my main amp modeling rig. The tweakability of the amps and cabs in that unit are pretty limited compared to a lot of the newer or higher end modelers, even the newer budget ones honestly. However, I think as a beginner that really benefited me, the simpler options were much more inviting. I think these super budget modelers really do have their place, they offer a huge variety of tonal options for someone who may have no idea what kind of amps are out there. Down the road, they'll probably figure out what they really are drawn too, and then they can invest in some real amps or software VSTs, or even just better modelers. The less potential guitarist we scare away with some of our complicated gear, the better!
Clip 1 was the V-Amp, 2 was the Deluxe. The Tube Screamer was what stood out the most to me. The clean was definitely a little more compressed, but it was really pronounced with the Tube Screamer. I've always thought that OD really needs a tube amp to sound good. Distortion/ fuzz can work well with digital/ solid state, but something about overdrive really needs tubes.
Clean 1: 2:08 Clean 2: 2:51 TS9 1: 2:17 TS9 2: 3:00 RAT 1: 2:26 RAT 2: 3:15 Clip 2 sounding muffled. More low end and less high mids but also a bit fuller. Clip 1 sounding more ballanced in tone and cleaner. WIth a little bit EQ the both sounding the same. The question is how different is the playing feel and the clean up with the guitar volume. And maybe some special overtones from the tubes but in this 2 clips I cant hear that. I guess clip 2 was the Fender.
I could tell the second clip was the real amp, but over UA-cam at least, the cheap modeler wasn’t as far off as I thought it would be. The V-amp looks like a POD copy.
I didn't pause to comment during the video or anything, but I did guess correctly (I guess you'll just have to take my word for it, or not :)) - the VAMP had a tiny bit more sizzle on top, whereas the Deluxe squashed the high end just a little, at least to my ears - but still, that was impressively close considering how inexpensive the VAMP is, and I'll be the first to admit that in a full band mix there's no way I would be able to tell. I actually played around with the predecessor VAMP 2 years back when I worked at a music store, and I remember being impressed by it. For a simple recording setup or quiet practice, modelers really are the way to go. I love my Mesa and all, and I still prefer real amps for jamming with other people or just rocking out on the weekend, but when it's time to sit and learn a song or throw down a track or noodle around with different sounds looking for inspiration, my Boss GT-001 going straight into my computer is the choice every time. For recording - and of course this is just my opinion - a GOOD real amp through a GOOD real cabinet mic'd CORRECTLY with a GOOD microphone in a TREATED ROOM may - or may not - still sound just a little bit better to a trained ear, but if even one of those factors is off then a decent modeler straight into a DAW will generally actually sound better in my experience.
I use almost 15 year V-amp 2, I was happy with it and I can still use it at stage howaver this unit problem was bank change delay, if you diffrent amp+cab on next channel you get a little delay on it and a mini harsh. Btw Jon Olivas Pain album (Maniacal Renderings) played by Vamp 2 (Matt LaPorte told me at concert) and he uses this on front of an amp direct input.
A high-quality cab impulse response plays a HUGE part when it comes to using amp sims. I recently A/B'd the amp sims in Helix Native plug-in ($400) against Karzog's Thermionik amp sims ($50). Using the same Celestion IR's, the Thermionik plug-in was 99.9% as good as the Helix if not better in some cases. The only difference is Helix Native comes with a gazillion effects and Thermionik is just the amp simulations.
Years ago i picked up a Korg Pandora headphone amp. I liked it but was disappointed that I couldn't clean up the sound by turning the guitar volume down. i would just get a wimpier version of the same sound. On a whim I plugged my Boss Overdrive in and set the distortion on the Korg at the minimum that I wanted, about the halfway point. The analog responsiveness of the Boss coupled with the digital Korg worked great! It gave the Pandora that real world response I was looking for. Made it feel like I was playing through a real amp again.
I was given a free Crate Profiler practice amp 7 or 8 years ago by a friend of a friend. I've used it to teach guitar for years, earning a decent living. I'm aware of its limitations but it's a work horse that gets 80% there, in terms of tone. The second it dies I'm getting a better tiny amp. But it keeps on going.
That's pretty amazing tones from the V-amp + pedals and IR's FWIW, I had a V-amp3 and I don't recall it sounding anything like what you demo'd. It had a typical 'digital' tone profile. Just goes to show what's possible if you know what you're doing. ;-)
i would go for the first being the digital v-amp, but the difference didn't sound as cut and dry as i expected, i had a v-amp at one point, but i preferred the sound of my pod 2.0 so i've gone back to that. I did have a yamaha thr at one point, but to me it didn't live up to the hype, and if i put a pedal in front of it, it just sounded crap, whereas the pod does better with pedals. though nothing digital i've played reacts as well as an analogue amp in this regard, but i've not tried anything real high end.
@Marc - I have the POD HD Pro X, Avid Eleven Rack, and the Behringer V-Amp 3. And when it comes to recording crunchy distorted guitars I always end up going to the cheap V-Amp 3 over the others. It just sounds better and requires very little tweaking to get the right sound. I've spent hours trying to dial in the right sounds on the 11 Rack and POD HD Pro and still can't reach the sounds of the V-Amp 3! .....And it's a dilemma, because I want to like the more expensive modelers more because they cost so much more. But I will give the Pod HD Pro an edge when it comes to clean and lead guitar tones.
Thanks Brian - all good points. You can get good tone from amp modellers. My current practice/recording rig is Hotone Mojo Attack - going into Zoom U44. I use clean (Mojo) side only - the Attack side that supposed to emulate Mesa Boogie is for me fairly useless. But for clean warm jazzy tone Mojo side rules. I took it to local jam session (it has 75W power amp - into 4 Ohms) and had local jazz pro playing through it - his comment was that it was warm and very amp like - he said he still liked his Princeton but he made Hotone sound absolutely great - you could not tell it was that solid state little box going into Evans cab. I wish Hotone made single amp version (Mojo only) for less money - it is $200+ but I am really happy with it. It is perfect little box if you do not want to haul all you gears to just sit in for a few songs - or if you want a backup amp that you can go into PA with if your regular amp croaks (has XLR and cab simulator).
Stopped the video at 3:46... I think the modeled (V-amp) is #1 and the Fender amp is #2. I preferred the sound on #1 since it was brighter and clearer. #2 seemed a bit dark.
I like the V amp. I have a super low budget configuration (Yamaha pacifica 112V, Behringer Vamp3, boh second hand). For my needs (i play mainly at home), I have all it takes, for less than 200 € (225 $). I have a lot of sounds to explore, and a lot of versatility (a Strat clone with a splittable humbucker, many virtual amps, many effects *just not overdrives and distortions, but you can select some virtual amp with appropriate level of distortion). In my opinion, PAC112V + Vamp3 is a good configuration for anyone who has low budget, plays mainly at home with earphones, and wants to explore many sounds/many genres. You can play live too, but you have not pedals, so you need to keep the vamp handy, and you cannot change easily your sound during the song.
Clip two is the Fender... I just went by the clean sound.... Nowadays it's hard to tell because electronics have come a lonnngggg way... I have the Katana head and it amazes me...
With modeling stuff, I've always thought that it doesn't matter if it sounds "exactly" the same. What matters is that the sounds you can get out of it are good. If the blackface model sounds good to you, it is good. It doesn't matter if it's exact. Look at the Anderton's video where they went over A/Bs with the Kemper. I think there was a distinct difference, but it was really up in the air as to which one was better. In my mind I'd rather spend a grand and get something that gets pretty close to the sound of ten to twelve two grand amps then spend $20 to $24k on amps and build a new room onto my house to put them in.
My live set up is the V Amp 3 with the Behringer FCB 1010 midi controller so far I've had nothing but good comments with other musicians about the sound /tone I get.
Hi Freddy I usually run Left or Right output from V Amp to Mixer be it the venues or the bands, which goes to front of house and also take a feed from mixer to my monitor. I normally don't use an amp as it's enough just going straight to mixer cuts down on carry more gear. I would place the Behringer FCB 1010 pedalboard at bottom of microphone stand with V amp sitting on a small ledge that I made which clips onto the 1010 so it's all sitting nice and compact in front of me and then connect both via short midi cable. Hope I've helped....
This is very good stuff . What a pleasant surprise to find you reviewing a behringer, of all things. Gives hope to us broke asses out there. I’d love to learn more about their tube monster pedals. I think it may be an interesting topic, considering the “tube technology” alone. I have one, and it’s fun, but I’m just curious about its guts. Lots of mod and tube swap info online, but nothing I’ve found thus far that discusses any details of what the circuit is doing specifically. What kind of sorcery is it exactly? Can it ever be demystified?
I'm not golden-eared by any means, and I don't play through a real tube amp, but it was not even close to me: the 2nd one (which ended up being the Fender) sounded *way* better (listening through very good near-field monitors). That said, the V-amp tone was fine, and in a mix I might not notice the difference. In fact, what I liked about the Fender tone was the thickness and the low end, and in a mix I'd probably be cutting that low end out. -Tom
Jack Minear Brian - I must say you have got me thinking and going down memory lane and highlighting for me that sometimes the magic happens by augmenting these devices with other gear. Am now thinking of pulling my Tonelab LE out of the closet which I indeed used with other pedals in front and disabling the cab and feeding amp. Memory lane led me back to my first multi-FX - Rockman X100, followed by Boss ME-6, Johnson J-Station, then Tonelab LE, well and even Zoom BT100. Wish I would have repaired the Rockman! Now am really thinking that new torpedo CAB-M could integrate nicely with ALL my stuff.
1 vs 2 was easy because you didn’t turn down the V-amp effects. Not a bad sound just easy to detect. I’ve had tones of these modelers. Would be awesome if the new cabinet modeling IRs made them sound legitimate.
I guessed right that clip 1 was the Behringer, however this is because it reminded me of a certain warmth that I got off my old Boss GT6 so I feel I had an advantage in working it out and spotting that kind of quality that told me which was which. In saying that, I didn't think it was bad, I just thought that the first clip was the behringer. It sounded good. If I had to say what it was that sounded different it probably was that the behringer was a fraction more cloudy sounding (and could be interpreted as warmer or blanket over you speaker cab type sound) than the 2nd clip and this is what made me choose the behringer as clip number1.
Interesting test. I liked. Can you try with impulse responses? I imagine a situation . You need to go to a gig you have your gear set with a MArshall or Fender amp and you have your pedals. The amp it´s too heavy to carry and you have a crappy Amp on the gig and you can connect to power amp. The test should involve a Gig volume test with Impulse responses. The Dynamics are normally fucked up when you get those cheap Amp modelers. Right?...Nice Cat!
The VAmp is a cool and versatile device, but I have experienced background hiss at higher levels as well as what sounds like a cheap sampling/input setup. Still, fun and cheap, reliable, looks cool when you turn it on. I kept it, just don't use it much.
On my phone speaker, I could tell that clip one was the Vamp. The character of the pedals came through on clip two and on on clip one they sounded samey.
No freking way! For years I tended to stay clear of Behringer stuff, especially their amp modeling stuff. This sounds too good to be true (and in all honesty with your talents and skill Brian, you can make pretty much anything awesome). You have me curious though, and if I get a chance to test drive this amp modeller in person just maybe I can be convinced to drop me schepticism for this companies guitar amp & modelling gear.
Maybe this is why the Yamaha THR10 has such a low level DI output. I always wondered how low the DI - waveforms are in the DAW. Maybe they wanted to give more room for boosts/od's to avoid digital clipping at all cost!
Once again, ears over eyes. The V-Amp sounded good enough. I have become a believer in modeling, it's darn good. But to be "great" modelers still takes too much tweaking time. Modeling also has a different response to the guitar's controls that a real amp. So for me a real amp is still what I want, but modeling is catching up... and fast.
I'm impressed because I couldn't figure out which was the real amp. Seems there were shades of Brad Paisley in the riffage, but I could be wrong about that as well. Great video.
In the fx loop running just the cab sim and eq between the tube pre and the tube poweramp the v-amp2 got some serviceable sounds in the early 2000s, but it was the only thing I could afford at the time
Neither one had any open-air feedback response nor was loud enough to 'bounce' the pickups, meaning the amp is just pushing perhaps a few watts and no breakup...so what difference is there to notice? Variables of the input stage between each may account for most of what the difference is at lower (clean-ish) volume, no?
Heh. This was my first amp. I think mine was version 2, but it might be version 3. Still have it somewhere. I've heard some pretty big bands have used it on albums. My biggest problem with it was feature paralysis. I was too new for all of the options.
Okay. I guess I better learn more about impulse responses. But you use them with a real cabinet or they a superior in digital form too? Are they like a lot of digital tone products - you have to wade through a bunch to find the gems? What is the best way for me to get up to speed. I'm a home office player. Recommendation for a low watt or attenuated cabinet (Switchable from .5w, 1w, 5w, 10w?)
Just a reminder to everyone, whether you got it right or wrong, there is a 50/50 chance that you would get the answer right (or wrong) just by chance alone, even if you never even listened to the clips at all. Getting it right does not mean you have golden ears, getting it wrong does not mean you don't or can't.
Clip 1 tube amp and clip 2 v amp. To be honest so hard to tell, but to me listening with headphone I think clip 1 had a more airy, in your face tone, whereas clip 2 was more muffled compressed.
It's probably been said before but I am amazed at your willingness to demo the competitions products. It's all about the tone. Thank you sir!
I've had a V-AMP PRO (rack mount) for about 14 years and couldn't quite get the tone I wanted. I purchased a Two Notes C.A.B about 6 months ago and didn't think about turning off the V-AMP cab sim and using the CAB IR as the speaker sim. Just tried and wow what a difference. That a keeper now. By the way sometimes the V-AMPs lose their config, that's down to the lithium battery, simple cheap fix just buy a replacement CR2032.
Sir, you are the only one I have ever witnessed on the Interwebs to make a RAT sound good in a way that made me say "Wow!". Thank you for that experience.
The cat interlude at 3:50 cracked me up!
I used to use a V amp2 back in the day for recording when I was a poor teenager. I got a lot of comments about how good the guitar tone was.
Hard to believe the VAmp 3 is over a decade old. Still holds up pretty well. It’s not perfect, but mine is still running strong after 10 years. Great for demos.
I'm a fan of "use what you got" and learning to get likable sounds out of just about anything. But...building an inventory to choose from is fun! I haven't used the V-amp (or any of the Pod/Helix stuff), but I like the sound you got out of it. Couldn't tell you which sample was which.
Thanks Brian! Hopefully this helps me selling mine on Reverb 😂
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I had the original behringer version of the v amp 3. It was definitely worth the money for studio setting versatility. Lots of different tones.
Oh man, long time listener, first time caller here... So I've come full circle and have discovered that I can definitely use pedals with a digital platform. I came up with this set up using the DigiTech RP360 because I wanted to get a more consistent sound. Wow!!! I still prefer a tube amp, but this definitely solves my issue when gigging in a more open air space where I need the PA to do the heavy lifting... And I probably suck at using a mic on my vox!!!
So weird to see the owner of a pedal manufacturer demoing other pedals and gear and actually recommending it. Guitarists chill af bros, na'mean?
Can't tell, but they both sound pretty damn good.
It's not just the sound, I've always felt that V-amps FEEL better when you play compared to a Line6 Pod. I had a V amp 2 when I was 14 and I miss how excited I was about it.
I totally agree. My V-Amp Pro was always better at producing a usable tone. Whereas with my POD HD500x I had to wrestle with it for several years, and I have never produced a satisfying tone out of it. Very frustrating.
My favorite effects pedal is my Wampler Ego Compressor, so when Brian Wampler recommended the V Amp 3, I trusted his opinion and purchased a V Amp 3 to give it a try. The unit is much larger than I imagined, and would not fit on a pedalboard, but it doesn't have any stomp buttons, so I just placed it on the floor within easy reach so I can adjust the myriad of settings controlled by the various dials.
The V Amp 3 has so many options, in terms of, the amp, cabinet, and effects modeling, that it offers almost unlimited tone settings. The immediate impact on my guitar playing is that I want to practice twice as long, as normal, because I'm having so much fun playing with all the tones that my other 7-8 (single purpose) effects pedals could never match. Great investment for about $100!
Thats called preset overload. The real secret to any all in one unit is to make 3-5 core sounds with the ability to add effects to those as desired. Start from scratch. Presets can be a fun way to step out of your shoes for a moment though. Hear a tone, imagine a genre and go. A good way to some new playing styles.
Playing one, V-Amp 3, at this moment. Well not exactly at this moment because I am typing. It's a great practice tool. Quick and dirty tone machine / sketch pad.
Clip 1 = V AMP - based on more compressed sound
Clip 2 = FENDER based on more open, higher headroom sound
Exactemundo - second clip was breathing open.
@@woland99 Same here. But by the same token, it's effin' scary that $100 is in the ballpark.
No idea but I liked clip 2 the best.
@@morphine0000 not scary, that's a very good thing. Good sound for $100 is awesome
I use the Zoom G1XOn and I love it. It's very cheap, compact and light. You can stack 5 effects and there is a HUGE variety. Also, you can use a bunch of amp sims. You can get almost any tone in it. No complains (considering the price).
It also has a tunner, a drum machine and a loop pedal built in, but I almost never use these.
the g1on the g1XOn - those units have the SAME models as the g5 flagship . i own a g1on and a g3 , a b1 and an old b2 . the g models are fantastic . i have no idea why more people arent hip to these machines . i am guessing its because zoom has a reputation for having crappy distortion and cheap multieffects . i paid 49 for the g1on - on a whim and i was blown away -i use it live -outdoors . three years later i am still using it . i got the g3 for 110 dollars with a exp pedal , ps , manual etc . they are both using the same models and those models are all excellent . the drum machine sounds are crap , but the tuner works really well . there is editor software for the g3 and librarian for both . the g1 - programing it is intuitive and very easy . hats off to zoom . why wampler doesnt know about these ?
I got my G1xon a couple years ago, and still have a lot of fun with it.
@@peteytwofinger I read somewhere that the processors and the software of the G1, G3 and G5 are the SAME. The only thing the G1 lacks is the physical things, like more outputs, more lcds, individual stomp buttons, etc... But the sound IS THE SAME!
Also, regarding the software, there is a free one that can connect to the G1On too, you can edit, save, load and even share your presets there.
Here: tonelib.net/
(It's the ToneLib Zoom, of course...)
I had a look at the G5n in videos and its manuals and while i think it sounds very good especially since its quite inexpensive. Myself coming from 20 years of using Boss modellers i feel it was pretty limited when it came to the editing compared to Boss, that was a bit of a dealbreaker to me. Soundwise i easily prefered the Zoom to the Boss GT100 though and the Boss is far more expensive, so if you can live with the limitations in the Zoom then absolutely go for it.
@@Stefan- What limitations? Do you have examples?
You're spot on with the IR stuff. The cabinets tend to sound crap on these devices. Well maybe not the 2000 dollar range, but for sure on the budget models. Thank god for Impulse responses :)
some session / studio musicians have commented on other videos that the first version does in fact have a couple studio-ready cab models they would use for recording with any amp model, but they weren't included on any later version of the V-Amps for some reason...
Please do a vid on budget Telecasters (say under $400)
V-amp 2 had some good sounds too. US high gain with the 2x12 cab sim. Add a whisker verb/delay. Nice.
The cat needs a monthly video. Maybe bi-weekly, but at least monthly.
The cat needs an answer to the question!
I still have and use my V-amp 2 twelve years after I bought it (used).
Digital processing generally seems brighter than analog where there's some natural roll off of the higher freqs, based on my own observations and as best I can tell on YT, the first one has the brighter edge, so I did think clip 1 to be the V-amp 3.
I prefered the second clip by far at least when it came to the clean sound, but i actually thought that was the Behringer since it sounded more like an ideal sound than clip one which sounded a bit more gritty and less perfect. Having used modellers for many years i feel that they often go more for trying to create an idealised sound of an amp rather than a less perfect sound image, the real amp sound more real and often less perfect. These days making out what is a real amp and a modeller isnt easy, take the comparisons between a Kemper and the profiled amp which you virtually cant hear any difference in.
On the fender amp, RAT set-up does sound appart when comparing with TS9 set-up. On V-amp3 there is not much difference (to my ear though) in tone between them. Both sound amazing, just on clean channel V-amp3 sound more focused and tight, but, as I said, not bad at all...
I used to own Vamp 2 and I could immediately recognise the overly compressed clean tone. What made me sell the unit was the fact that using the effects really sucked the life out of the tone. I wonder if they fixed that issue with V3?
1: V-Amp, 2. Fender ... the Clean Sound gave it away for me.
Yeah, I can see that. Or hear that. But I think the distortion gave it away for me, thereby enabling me to hear it in the clean sound.
I'll put in a plug for the Johnson J-Station. Also a table-top unit like the VAmp, it has multiple amp emulations, some very decent effects, and numerous other features, including storable presets. Generally available 2nd hand for well under $100. I paid much less than that for mine.
Although I had a hard time getting the tone I wanted out of it I did appreciate its ability to handle bass and acoustic as well and I agree the effects were decent. It was the higher gain stuff I couldn't quite get right.
@@trebleboost7 And THAT's why even folks who can afford multiple Fractals and Kempers will still use pedals for their fuzz and distortion!
Clip 1 - amp modeler
Clip 2 - amp
The 2nd clip has a lot more bottom end and just sounds better.
I guessed right, but the V-Amp was not horrible by any means. It just seems like the Fender has more of a presence, if that makes sense. Another way to put it, is that it sounds more lively sounding.
You got great tone from that combination. The processors I use, (Korg and Zoom) like pedals after in the chain. I also use Behringer tube microphone preamps last in the signal chain to set a balace of gain/signal hitting the front of my amps. You can dial in guitar attack and volume sensetivity with the preamp and play as loud or quiet as you want with great tones. I don't even use my tube amps (Fender, Vox, and Sunn) anymore and use Roland cube or Behringer V-tone amps for a clean pedal platform. The tube amps are too fragile and costly to fix, not to mention heavy as hell.
Thanks for a simple and effective demo. I've wondered about this hybrid method, but never took the time to test it out. I actually preferred the V-Amp w/ IR's sound, at least through whatever UA-cam may be doing to the sonics. So, while waiting for the Boss Amp Xpander to actually hit the streets, I'm going to experiment with my old Line6 Pod XTLive with cab emulation off and spring for a set of Celestion IR's. Can't hurt to have the quality IR's, no matter what the experimental outcomes.
That amp expander looks killer. And a huge problem solver for a lot of situations I would think.
The music in the inbetween-clips was an excellent ear-palette cleanser. Thank you!
I still have the V-Amp 2 and bought the V-Amp 3 a few years ago. Love them!
Is the vamp 3 any better than vamp 2?
@@richardpress9551 Not a big difference in terms of sound quality but it has a few different models
That is a good option to gig without the risk to ruin your expensive equipment.
When I first started playing guitar, I got a Zoom G3n and used that as my main amp modeling rig. The tweakability of the amps and cabs in that unit are pretty limited compared to a lot of the newer or higher end modelers, even the newer budget ones honestly. However, I think as a beginner that really benefited me, the simpler options were much more inviting. I think these super budget modelers really do have their place, they offer a huge variety of tonal options for someone who may have no idea what kind of amps are out there. Down the road, they'll probably figure out what they really are drawn too, and then they can invest in some real amps or software VSTs, or even just better modelers. The less potential guitarist we scare away with some of our complicated gear, the better!
Awesome video as always
Clip 1 was the V-Amp, 2 was the Deluxe. The Tube Screamer was what stood out the most to me. The clean was definitely a little more compressed, but it was really pronounced with the Tube Screamer. I've always thought that OD really needs a tube amp to sound good. Distortion/ fuzz can work well with digital/ solid state, but something about overdrive really needs tubes.
No idea. I heard a difference and I'm using two dollar headphones on a old Kindle. Both sounded like a good pedal based rig should.
Clean 1: 2:08
Clean 2: 2:51
TS9 1: 2:17
TS9 2: 3:00
RAT 1: 2:26
RAT 2: 3:15
Clip 2 sounding muffled. More low end and less high mids but also a bit fuller. Clip 1 sounding more ballanced in tone and cleaner. WIth a little bit EQ the both sounding the same. The question is how different is the playing feel and the clean up with the guitar volume. And maybe some special overtones from the tubes but in this 2 clips I cant hear that. I guess clip 2 was the Fender.
I could tell the second clip was the real amp, but over UA-cam at least, the cheap modeler wasn’t as far off as I thought it would be. The V-amp looks like a POD copy.
I didn't pause to comment during the video or anything, but I did guess correctly (I guess you'll just have to take my word for it, or not :)) - the VAMP had a tiny bit more sizzle on top, whereas the Deluxe squashed the high end just a little, at least to my ears - but still, that was impressively close considering how inexpensive the VAMP is, and I'll be the first to admit that in a full band mix there's no way I would be able to tell. I actually played around with the predecessor VAMP 2 years back when I worked at a music store, and I remember being impressed by it. For a simple recording setup or quiet practice, modelers really are the way to go. I love my Mesa and all, and I still prefer real amps for jamming with other people or just rocking out on the weekend, but when it's time to sit and learn a song or throw down a track or noodle around with different sounds looking for inspiration, my Boss GT-001 going straight into my computer is the choice every time. For recording - and of course this is just my opinion - a GOOD real amp through a GOOD real cabinet mic'd CORRECTLY with a GOOD microphone in a TREATED ROOM may - or may not - still sound just a little bit better to a trained ear, but if even one of those factors is off then a decent modeler straight into a DAW will generally actually sound better in my experience.
I use almost 15 year V-amp 2, I was happy with it and I can still use it at stage howaver this unit problem was bank change delay, if you diffrent amp+cab on next channel you get a little delay on it and a mini harsh. Btw Jon Olivas Pain album (Maniacal Renderings) played by Vamp 2 (Matt LaPorte told me at concert) and he uses this on front of an amp direct input.
A high-quality cab impulse response plays a HUGE part when it comes to using amp sims. I recently A/B'd the amp sims in Helix Native plug-in ($400) against Karzog's Thermionik amp sims ($50). Using the same Celestion IR's, the Thermionik plug-in was 99.9% as good as the Helix if not better in some cases. The only difference is Helix Native comes with a gazillion effects and Thermionik is just the amp simulations.
Years ago i picked up a Korg Pandora headphone amp. I liked it but was disappointed that I couldn't clean up the sound by turning the guitar volume down.
i would just get a wimpier version of the same sound. On a whim I plugged my Boss Overdrive in and set the distortion on the Korg at the minimum that I wanted, about the halfway point. The analog responsiveness of the Boss coupled with the digital Korg worked great! It gave the Pandora that real world response I was looking for.
Made it feel like I was playing through a real amp again.
I was given a free Crate Profiler practice amp 7 or 8 years ago by a friend of a friend. I've used it to teach guitar for years, earning a decent living. I'm aware of its limitations but it's a work horse that gets 80% there, in terms of tone.
The second it dies I'm getting a better tiny amp. But it keeps on going.
That's pretty amazing tones from the V-amp + pedals and IR's
FWIW, I had a V-amp3 and I don't recall it sounding anything like what you demo'd. It had a typical 'digital' tone profile. Just goes to show what's possible if you know what you're doing. ;-)
i would go for the first being the digital v-amp, but the difference didn't sound as cut and dry as i expected, i had a v-amp at one point, but i preferred the sound of my pod 2.0 so i've gone back to that. I did have a yamaha thr at one point, but to me it didn't live up to the hype, and if i put a pedal in front of it, it just sounded crap, whereas the pod does better with pedals. though nothing digital i've played reacts as well as an analogue amp in this regard, but i've not tried anything real high end.
I guess this illustrates that using speakers or good ir's is the most important factor when going digital?
Great point
Man I was wrong. I was sure clip 2 was the vamp.
@Marc - I have the POD HD Pro X, Avid Eleven Rack, and the Behringer V-Amp 3. And when it comes to recording crunchy distorted guitars I always end up going to the cheap V-Amp 3 over the others. It just sounds better and requires very little tweaking to get the right sound. I've spent hours trying to dial in the right sounds on the 11 Rack and POD HD Pro and still can't reach the sounds of the V-Amp 3! .....And it's a dilemma, because I want to like the more expensive modelers more because they cost so much more. But I will give the Pod HD Pro an edge when it comes to clean and lead guitar tones.
@@chrispayne750 I have the pod hd and it is crap
@Tomas Vera - You might want to check out the more expensive Kemper or Axe FX modelers instead then. Or just use a real amp ;)
always really liked line 6's stuff.
Thanks BW! Once again my brain is itching! Cool vid as usual...
Thanks Brian - all good points. You can get good tone from amp modellers. My current practice/recording rig is Hotone Mojo Attack - going into Zoom U44. I use clean (Mojo) side only - the Attack side that supposed to emulate Mesa Boogie is for me fairly useless. But for clean warm jazzy tone Mojo side rules. I took it to local jam session (it has 75W power amp - into 4 Ohms) and had local jazz pro playing through it - his comment was that it was warm and very amp like - he said he still liked his Princeton but he made Hotone sound absolutely great - you could not tell it was that solid state little box going into Evans cab. I wish Hotone made single amp version (Mojo only) for less money - it is $200+ but I am really happy with it. It is perfect little box if you do not want to haul all you gears to just sit in for a few songs - or if you want a backup amp that you can go into PA with if your regular amp croaks (has XLR and cab simulator).
I guessed clip 2 as vamp, but thought the first clip sounded best. Super cool video will check out you other products.
Stopped the video at 3:46...
I think the modeled (V-amp) is #1 and the Fender amp is #2.
I preferred the sound on #1 since it was brighter and clearer. #2 seemed a bit dark.
Aaaaaannd I’m listing my vamp for sale right now because this is gonna make them in demand
I like the V amp.
I have a super low budget configuration (Yamaha pacifica 112V, Behringer Vamp3, boh second hand).
For my needs (i play mainly at home), I have all it takes, for less than 200 € (225 $).
I have a lot of sounds to explore, and a lot of versatility (a Strat clone with a splittable humbucker, many virtual amps, many effects *just not overdrives and distortions, but you can select some virtual amp with appropriate level of distortion).
In my opinion, PAC112V + Vamp3 is a good configuration for anyone who has low budget, plays mainly at home with earphones, and wants to explore many sounds/many genres.
You can play live too, but you have not pedals, so you need to keep the vamp handy, and you cannot change easily your sound during the song.
Clip two is the Fender... I just went by the clean sound.... Nowadays it's hard to tell because electronics have come a lonnngggg way... I have the Katana head and it amazes me...
I definitely preferred clip #2, but both had totally usable tones.
With modeling stuff, I've always thought that it doesn't matter if it sounds "exactly" the same. What matters is that the sounds you can get out of it are good. If the blackface model sounds good to you, it is good. It doesn't matter if it's exact. Look at the Anderton's video where they went over A/Bs with the Kemper. I think there was a distinct difference, but it was really up in the air as to which one was better. In my mind I'd rather spend a grand and get something that gets pretty close to the sound of ten to twelve two grand amps then spend $20 to $24k on amps and build a new room onto my house to put them in.
exatamente!
My live set up is the V Amp 3 with the Behringer FCB 1010 midi controller so far I've had nothing but good comments with other musicians about the sound /tone I get.
Thats awesome. Do you run it direct to board or front of amp? Sorry if thats a stupid question but I'm MIDI ignorant, lol
Hi Freddy I usually run Left or Right output from V Amp to Mixer be it the venues or the bands, which goes to front of house and also take a feed from mixer to my monitor. I normally don't use an amp as it's enough just going straight to mixer cuts down on carry more gear. I would place the Behringer FCB 1010 pedalboard at bottom of microphone stand with V amp sitting on a small ledge that I made which clips onto the 1010 so it's all sitting nice and compact in front of me and then connect both via short midi cable. Hope I've helped....
I guessed right, but it was only a guess. I imagine that either would sound perfectly fine in a mix.
This is very good stuff . What a pleasant surprise to find you reviewing a behringer, of all things. Gives hope to us broke asses out there.
I’d love to learn more about their tube monster pedals. I think it may be an interesting topic, considering the “tube technology” alone. I have one, and it’s fun, but I’m just curious about its guts. Lots of mod and tube swap info online, but nothing I’ve found thus far that discusses any details of what the circuit is doing specifically. What kind of sorcery is it exactly? Can it ever be demystified?
I'm not golden-eared by any means, and I don't play through a real tube amp, but it was not even close to me: the 2nd one (which ended up being the Fender) sounded *way* better (listening through very good near-field monitors). That said, the V-amp tone was fine, and in a mix I might not notice the difference. In fact, what I liked about the Fender tone was the thickness and the low end, and in a mix I'd probably be cutting that low end out. -Tom
Fooled me. Turnes out vamp sounds better for me
Jack Minear
Brian - I must say you have got me thinking and going down memory lane and highlighting for me that sometimes the magic happens by augmenting these devices with other gear. Am now thinking of pulling my Tonelab LE out of the closet which I indeed used with other pedals in front and disabling the cab and feeding amp. Memory lane led me back to my first multi-FX - Rockman X100, followed by Boss ME-6, Johnson J-Station, then Tonelab LE, well and even Zoom BT100. Wish I would have repaired the Rockman! Now am really thinking that new torpedo CAB-M could integrate nicely with ALL my stuff.
Hey Brian,
You're the man, cool guy!
Thanks for the video it was super helpful.
1 vs 2 was easy because you didn’t turn down the V-amp effects. Not a bad sound just easy to detect. I’ve had tones of these modelers. Would be awesome if the new cabinet modeling IRs made them sound legitimate.
I guessed right that clip 1 was the Behringer, however this is because it reminded me of a certain warmth that I got off my old Boss GT6 so I feel I had an advantage in working it out and spotting that kind of quality that told me which was which. In saying that, I didn't think it was bad, I just thought that the first clip was the behringer. It sounded good. If I had to say what it was that sounded different it probably was that the behringer was a fraction more cloudy sounding (and could be interpreted as warmer or blanket over you speaker cab type sound) than the 2nd clip and this is what made me choose the behringer as clip number1.
I knew the V amp from the clean sound. With the pedals they both sounded good.
Interesting test. I liked. Can you try with impulse responses? I imagine a situation . You need to go to a gig you have your gear set with a MArshall or Fender amp and you have your pedals. The amp it´s too heavy to carry and you have a crappy Amp on the gig and you can connect to power amp. The test should involve a Gig volume test with Impulse responses. The Dynamics are normally fucked up when you get those cheap Amp modelers. Right?...Nice Cat!
The VAmp is a cool and versatile device, but I have experienced background hiss at higher levels as well as what sounds like a cheap sampling/input setup. Still, fun and cheap, reliable, looks cool when you turn it on. I kept it, just don't use it much.
On my phone speaker, I could tell that clip one was the Vamp. The character of the pedals came through on clip two and on on clip one they sounded samey.
No freking way! For years I tended to stay clear of Behringer stuff, especially their amp modeling stuff. This sounds too good to be true (and in all honesty with your talents and skill Brian, you can make pretty much anything awesome). You have me curious though, and if I get a chance to test drive this amp modeller in person just maybe I can be convinced to drop me schepticism for this companies guitar amp & modelling gear.
Don't know which is which. I liked the first one a tiny bit better, but I'd be happy with either.
Maybe this is why the Yamaha THR10 has such a low level DI output. I always wondered how low the DI - waveforms are in the DAW. Maybe they wanted to give more room for boosts/od's to avoid digital clipping at all cost!
Once again, ears over eyes. The V-Amp sounded good enough. I have become a believer in modeling, it's darn good. But to be "great" modelers still takes too much tweaking time. Modeling also has a different response to the guitar's controls that a real amp. So for me a real amp is still what I want, but modeling is catching up... and fast.
Sounds pretty darn good. Wow
Clip one V-amp, Clip two Deluxe.
Fuller sound and more mids on clip 2
I have a line 6 pod upgraded to a ver. 2, I can get some cool sounds but always go back to my regular pedal board set up.
Great video! Thanks so much for it. Cheers from Brazil
I'm impressed because I couldn't figure out which was the real amp. Seems there were shades of Brad Paisley in the riffage, but I could be wrong about that as well. Great video.
In the fx loop running just the cab sim and eq between the tube pre and the tube poweramp the v-amp2 got some serviceable sounds in the early 2000s, but it was the only thing I could afford at the time
Neither one had any open-air feedback response nor was loud enough to 'bounce' the pickups, meaning the amp is just pushing perhaps a few watts and no breakup...so what difference is there to notice? Variables of the input stage between each may account for most of what the difference is at lower (clean-ish) volume, no?
Trey Azagthoth used a V Amp on the album Heretic.
Which is why that album sounded like dogshit!
No idea which one is which but the second sounded better to my ears.
V-Amp = 1 Fender Deeluxe = 2. Cool video might even buy one.
Clip 2 was obviously the fender to me, but the modeller sounds great
I have the V-Amp 2. Reviews mentioned that the 3 wasn't worth the upgrade.
Heh. This was my first amp. I think mine was version 2, but it might be version 3. Still have it somewhere.
I've heard some pretty big bands have used it on albums.
My biggest problem with it was feature paralysis. I was too new for all of the options.
The Fender amp had a warmer richer harmonic content to it on my speakers , I listened on my Equator D5's
at last they print clear letters. i cant read the second set of print in my blue vamp 2
3:50 ! Your pedals getting cat scanned!
Okay. I guess I better learn more about impulse responses. But you use them with a real cabinet or they a superior in digital form too? Are they like a lot of digital tone products - you have to wade through a bunch to find the gems? What is the best way for me to get up to speed. I'm a home office player. Recommendation for a low watt or attenuated cabinet (Switchable from .5w, 1w, 5w, 10w?)
Just a reminder to everyone, whether you got it right or wrong, there is a 50/50 chance that you would get the answer right (or wrong) just by chance alone, even if you never even listened to the clips at all. Getting it right does not mean you have golden ears, getting it wrong does not mean you don't or can't.
With the V amp it almost sounded like you could still hear a clean tone under the ts9 and the rat? That's how I could tell them apart.
Clip 1 tube amp and clip 2 v amp.
To be honest so hard to tell, but to me listening with headphone I think clip 1 had a more airy, in your face tone, whereas clip 2 was more muffled compressed.
Both sound good. I'll pick the most convenient rig
Love to see you mess with some Zoom stuff. They're very underrated, and not much internet love.
Wow that V amp 3 sounded great! (At least on youtube)
V-Amp is Clip 2.
EDIT: Shit....I was wrong. Damn.