Does Lifting Slow Cause Muscle Growth?
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- The question is simple does lifting slow cause muscle growth. A lot of people have very different opinions on this topic and in today's video I will go over what I think about it. I would love to hear what you think about this topic so please leave it in the comments below.
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Perfect...The smartest bodybuilder I even watch
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Why this man has only 49 000 subs?? Get it together people!!
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What can we do to get this guy more subs?
we dont know what would happen if he got a million subs would his quality fall off. prefer he be a hidden gym to the person actually looking for the correct answers
Cool I've got that one right. I try and go hard on the way up and slow on the way down to challenge myself.
I think if you explode on the way up and just freefall on the way down you are losing an opportunity for more time under tension and to challenge yourself.
I've been watching your videos the past 2 days(Since Jeff Nippard introduced you in his channel) thanks for the great content!!! Also love your shirts!
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I really value your thoughts on slow training, and all of my workouts are done the way you teach. I do not train all of the time with heavy weights because I am a bit too old for that but I do go to failure. Thank you and have a wonderful day sir.
Wish I had acsess to your knowlage 20 years ago when I first started liftin, I would have progressed asterand better and would not have wasted so many years doing things wrong. But better late then never. Love your content learned so much and still keep on learning. I'm very gratefull.
Like Dorian Yates use to do explosive positive and then slow controlled negative part of the movement
Chris White thats the best combination plus going past failure :)
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Love the shirt John and this content is so valuable you should charge money for this
I love these kind of videos where you share your knowledge on training variables. I would love you covering volume (how much sets to do) next. Thanks John!
Hi, john I agree with you 100 percent, however I will sometimes use slow reps on a last set or with drop sets its is a good set extension to try. Thanks for all your advice I really pick up a lot of great things from you.
Very interesting as usual John , i usually start my work out with lighter weight and slow the pace for concentric movement and eccentric mouvement , like 2-3 set to warm up the muscle and get that mind muscle connection but i still do a proper press before going back to extention , then i go up with the load and do lower reps and the last rep i hold it half way for a 20 sec to get as much pump as i can and the last set i get an excercise that will get the most stretch . i really see results with that system. Cheers
I agree. Slow essentric has done wonders for me.
Absolutely Agree with John on this one, 1-2 second eccentric, explosive concentric and squeeze. repeat. = GAINS.
I do for muscles 3 exercises...one exercise heavy 3-6 reps...the next exercise middle 8-12 reps and the last exercise light 15-20 reps!
Chris K how long have you done this method for?
Down pyramid then next workout pyramid up....
nice i do the same
Thanks again mountaindog1 video verry helpful as all your video
Totally agree John
Dorian Yates says something. Explosive positive n slow controlled negative movements. Love from India
Very very good point validates what I was thinking all this time and you even clarified a point where I had slight confusion over: compensate slow eccentric rep by doing sets where we work as many muscle fiber types as possible in a set doing 85-90% max rep for 3-4 reps always keeping a fast push and the resistance part is handled because of heavy load keeps muscle under tension longer... that takes care of that slight confusion I had thanks for the great advice
Does the speed of the ECCENTRIC matter? or is it the same as you mentioned here with the Concentric? Having more of an impact on the mind muscle connection as opposed to muscle growth?
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i prefer a slower eccentric - controlling the weight 100%
Agree 100%
Love the t shirt!!
John excellent content! Started training with this methodology (aka Slow Method , earlier aka Nautilus w/ Arthur Jones). We used lighter weights that would allow us to go super slow on both the negative and positive. We found that going at this pace with proper form was as hard as using heavier weights faster. The interesting outcome is that you are less likely to injury or strain by going super slow, yet still fatiguing the muscle. Definitely a positive as we age and lift. I know that Jones experimented with famous bodybuilders like Arnold S and they grew weary because his method had a 2 day per week protocol. I agree with you on your concepts but often train slower when my joints begin to hurt. Definitely some pluses to explore in one's training.
it is definitely easier on joints when using lighter weights
Agree and pink is your color.
Another day since you left John, and another day that you're still sharing your gifts. Thank you so much John Meadows. LEGEND!
Love ur shirt !!
thank you :)
Yes. I've had this question for a while. I know that controlling the eccentric increase muscle damage, but I'm wondering if controlled eccentric makes sense for all lifts. What if you're deadlifting? Do you still control the eccentric?
i dont personally....just too much stress on body, unless doing maybe a rack pull
I like as you said explosive concentric and slow controlled eccentric until the last 2 or maybe 3 reps then a slow controlled concentric and a slower controlled eccentric I feel is best assuming you are doing 6+ reps. Or when you have a partner to assist your last 2 reps just keeping the bar moving! This is a forced slow concentric rep past failure 2-3 of those really gets things burning with a slow controlled eccentric.
I go fast and slow in my workout. I start of with light weights and work up to my one rep max and work back down to light. That works for me and I am getting stronger. Nice video John
I recommend you doing supersets... that made my biceps grow huuuugeee... I train until muscle failure, then I switch immediately to about 70% of the weight and do as many reps as possible. When I am again at muscle failure, I reduce the weight the second time and do as many reps as possible...
Hi. I've been following you for sometime and learned alot from you. I'm writting from Norway, and wonder what you thing regarding knees never going past toes doing squat. Is that a myth? Can you do a video on that, please? Thanx
myth, a little of that is natural
Thanx for reply
John, you've killed me with your Bulgarian split squat workout. So try this. Next leg workout, at the end, do 2 sets of hack squats, 10 sec pos, 10 sec neg. No pause at the turnaround. Tears might flow as it hurts like hell. Try for 6 reps.
Would love to see you doing it on here.
I agree what you're saying because there's a lot of times I don't I feel like lifting heavy my brain says to do it but my muscles say no so I got to take into account of that too but I like that explosive feeling pushing it up yes
thx 4 the tip!
Thats what i do in recent years and get way better results than tempo training.
And being an ectomorph, tempo training burns too much calories for me to gain solid weight.
Thanks, John! I agree and have seen the best results with this
The only thing weird about that shirts is it looks like it was made for a big person not a little kid?
Most people do slow on the eccentric not the concentric portion though.
Good stuff. Puts the rest to shame.
Very educative videos! Thx John!!
Based on what you have said here do you see value in a Y3T stylized program.
I like the theory (changing rep schemes).I have no idea if Neil does slow concentrics?
Neil does not, slow eccentrics only some days (Y3T certified trainer).
Question John...let's say a body-part which you trained the day before is sore (DOMS), would that be an indication that you've activated all of the muscle fibres? Just thinking...if you're not sore then that wouldn't necessarily mean that the workout wasn't productive would it, so I guess soreness is not relevant is it.
well, muscle damage is good, but how damaged does it need to be is the question. DO you need to cripple yourself? I dont think so, but some soreness is an ok thing.
I would say slow concentric contractions does has a place in for example a chest workout.
I know you are saying it can be beneficial but here is my take on it:
I do a heavy press exercise, like you explained, but when i do a free weight dumbell fly I always do a slow eccentric + concentric contraction.
Why? Because I find free weight dumbell fly's very hard on the shoulders and also hard to keep the triceps out of the movement(going to heavy) So to get the maximum benefit I just do both parts slow for 10-15 reps with very light weight. My chest starts shaking everytime when I do fly's like this after some heavy press movements.
for those reasons yes
TUT is just a tool!
So if you're lifting at 85%+, what sort of rep range are we talking abotu?
5 or 6
theres definitely a difference between just "going slow" and feeling in control of the muscles working and feeling contractions better. I noticed when i slowed down my tempo a little bit it helped w mind muscle connection
yes, good tool for that.
That.....shirt......is.......AWESOME!
spot on , you made this point in one of your chest videos were you slowly lower the bar and pause slightly before the lowst point ,then power the bar back up hitting those fast twitch fibres .. great video .
yep
That T-shirt though...
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You don't take into consideration that the reason why the concentric portion of the lift would be slow is because the chosen weight is so heavy that the person isn't able to move it fast. In that case even though the concentric portion of the lift is slow, you would still recruit as many motor units as woulda been the case if the lift was executed faster. English it not my mother's tongue, I hope I managed to explain myself properly though
i agree...I am saying when weight is light or moderate there is no need to go slow on concentric. what you are saying is basic 101 Force Velocity relationship
@@mountaindog1 I might have missed the light/moderate part it was late in my part of the world at the time watching. We are completely on the same page then.
I enjoyed the content very much though and like your thoughts on quality over quantity aproach
Great info thanks John .👊💪
Is it not that you are using more of your fibers with every rep you make towards failure?
I agree. I like an explosive eccentric and slower concentric. IT'S SCIENCE!
There's also another benefit of slow concentric reps I learned from Christian Thibaudeau. You can get occlusion-effects by doing slow concentric AND eccentric reps. By doing that, you can create an anaerobic environment inside the muscle in which the growth-prone fast twitch fibers work better as opposed to aerobic environments, in which the slow-twitch fibers work better. Also, the waste products of occlusion inside muscles leads to a higher IGF-1-release, which benefits the activation of mTor. Very scientific, though.
Rainingman interesting, thanks for that input!
I don't wanna rag on your comment, and I'm sure Mr Thibaudeau has written a very convincing article but i'm gonna have to disagree with your comment for these reasons. Weightlifting is generally anaerobic regardless of occlusion, so you aren't creating any different environment. Slow concentric lifting will not help fast twitch muscle fibres fire.
By lifting weights you will be moving blood into the muscle so there is no occlusion. I had a quick look about the "IGF-1 release" and couldn't find any studies so if you could cite that I'd be interested to read it. Not trying to be a dick, just listen to what John is saying and don't by into all the Tnation articles.
Occlusion does occure when using constant tension, which is done by doing slow concentric and eccentric contractions and therefore getting blood into the muscle but not letting it out. This is also why tempo contrasts work.
The information is not from T-Nation but from his new blog Thibarmy. The informations are sometimes hard to find because most of them are in video capsules, not written. You should look for the videos on tempo contrasts and constant tension. They're a little bit older.
I've had a good search and can only find anecdotal evidence to suggest that TUT is creating occlusion in a similar way to wearing a cuff. Also what i have read seems to suggest the same effect could be achieved by performing the concentric part normally and flexing hard at the top before beginning the eccentric motion again, which is something John has in his programmes, and something you could use a decent working load for. IMO it's a no brainer, stick to what has always worked (progressive oveload) and don't buy into all the crap. I'm not saying don't try new things but all this "bro-science" about anaerobic environments being created and slow lifting making fast twitch fibres grow etc etc is all misinformation/over-information. I mean the guy has to write content that's how he makes money but it's unnecessary and is actually unhelpful to people trying to get better.
Great video. Love the shirt.
Was it laundry day... what's up with the shirt boss
He's got balls to keep any kind of shirt he likes! ;)
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John your the man.
I agree well said 100%
Hey John if your triceps are lagging and you do chest,shoulders and triceps on the same day do you think it woul be better to start with triceps?
Whats the Definition of slow?what is for you slow, is for me maybe fast...
thanks john ... †
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John you have been sharing your wisdom a long time on here , credit to ya big man
do slow lifting heals tendons?
not sure about that one sir.
Time under tension
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I watch Meadows videos more and more these days...
John what are your thoughts of eating pork rinds on keto? People seem to have mixed reviews on this
Melanie Ramirez if macros and fat loss are your only goals it may work short term but hormone imbalance due to nutrient defficiencies will surely develop with that eating habbit. The hormone imbalance will in turn cause you to store more fat anyway. Why not just eat some avocado and broccoli?
every once in a while (we used to do it in the 90's), but just sparingly
First of all can u explain when is the eccentric part of the lift assuming not all ur followers bodybuilders ,thanks for the great channel
blossompure look it up ; but eccentric is the negative portion ie lowering on bicep curl, bench, squat ( think of it in terms of when the muscle stretches ~ the eccentric )
I think the science suggests going super slow to failure the deeper muscle fibres come into play.
but you cant ignore loading the muscle fiber either
I just like watching your videos, I learn so much about muscle training
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