True Detective Season 4 Sucks - Why Night Country is Awful (Part 1)
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- There’s something missing with True Detective Night Country. I know we’re only halfway through the season, and there’s still hope it may turn things around, but I feel like I can already gauge some huge differences compared to the first season, which I still argue is the best of all seasons.
And it’s interesting because even when looking at seasons 2 and 3 of True Detective, there are just so many aspects missing or that aren’t executed as perfectly as in season 1. I know. I know. Season 1 is one of the greatest television dramas ever aired, and I don’t want to be another mindless parrot, singing its praises like so many others, nor do I want to just use it as a way to always say that new seasons of True Detective will never be as good.
I mean, I know that’s probably true, but I do feel like it’s necessary to at least understand why.
Why was Season 1 so fricken good and where has Night Country gone wrong so far, because for what it’s worth, I don’t think it’s completely terrible but there are a lot of missed opportunities that I can see.
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What is True Detective?
The first season of True Detective, an American anthology crime drama television series created by Nic Pizzolatto, premiered on January 12, 2014, on the premium cable network HBO. The principal cast consisted of Matthew McConaughey, Woody Harrelson, Michelle Monaghan, Michael Potts, and Tory Kittles. The season had eight episodes, and its initial airing concluded on March 9, 2014. Each following True Detective season has its own self-contained story, following a disparate set of characters in various settings.
Constructed as a nonlinear narrative, season one focuses on Louisiana State Police homicide detectives Rustin "Rust" Cohle (McConaughey) and Martin "Marty" Hart (Harrelson), who investigated the murder of Dora Lange in 1995. During the investigation, Hart's infidelity threatens his marriage to Maggie (Monaghan), and Cohle struggles to cope with his troubled past. Seventeen years later, they must revisit the investigation, now seemingly related to a slew of other unsolved missing-person cases and murders.
True Detective's first season explores themes of philosophical pessimism, masculinity, and Christianity; critics have analyzed the show's portrayal of women, its auteurist sensibility, and the influence of comics and weird horror fiction on its narrative.
Pizzolatto initially conceived True Detective as a novel, but felt it was more suitable for television. The episodes, directed by Cary Joji Fukunaga, were filmed in Louisiana over a three-month period. The series was widely acclaimed by critics and cited as one of the strongest dramas of 2014. It was a candidate for numerous awards, including a Primetime Emmy Award nomination for Outstanding Drama Series and a Golden Globe Award for Best Miniseries or Television Film, and won several other honors for writing, cinematography, direction, and acting.
Before creating True Detective, Nic Pizzolatto taught at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, DePauw University, and the University of Chicago. Inspired by HBO's series The Wire, The Sopranos, and Deadwood, he began working on a short story collection that he later published as Between Here and the Yellow Sea in 2006. He published a novel, Galveston, in 2010, and began writing television scripts. His earlier attempts at television writing were unsuccessful because of a lack of money. Pizzolatto's first major gig in television writing came in 2011, as a screenwriter for AMC's series The Killing. He credits the show with giving him a glimpse of the inner workings of the television industry. Pizzolatto grew increasingly dissatisfied with the series' creative direction, and left two weeks into staff writing sessions for its second season.
True Detective was intended to be a novel, but once the project took definite form, Pizzolatto thought the narrative's shifts in time and perspective made it more suitable for television. He pitched an adaptation of Galveston, and from May to July 2010 he developed six screenplays, including an early, 90-page draft of the True Detective pilot script. Pizzolatto secured a development deal with HBO for a potential pilot series shortly thereafter.
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14:55 I have such a hard time looking at that guy's face! Somebody obviously owed him a favor.
He’s been in a bunch of stuff he’s a good actor
What’s wrong w/his face? Nothing here. Move on.
@@PerfectoKiss Love him in ´Roadracers´ as the main character´s nerdy friend
He’s also in a great show too old to die young @@fernandomaron87
He’s literally a villain you fucking dumbass
Idea for season 5: All this was a drunk dream of Rusty.
I waited for some reference to him or his father, considering they were in alaska.... damn this season sucked on all levels lol
Better idea: Don't make it.
please do not be so offensive towards Rust's dreams lol
My god that opening made me laugh way too hard
It’d been funnier if he cut the sound as Marty turned off the TV
subbed immediately hahaha that was brilliant
my reaction exactly..."NOOOO!!!!!!!"
Or turned it into an echo inside character's mind.@@lololo
Same! Although I feel slightly traumatized! Ugh. Hell to the naw. 🤦🏻♀️🤢
You don't need to compare it to season one. Season 4 is bad on its own merits.
True, this video is a bit low iq and/or myopic.
It’s a detective show with no detecting 😂. Seriously this show had no direction at all
But she's awake. So. There ya go.
Ok 😂😂😂 before I get into this. Can I just say, that sex scene was the most “I dont want see this” moment, maybe in the history if hbo. 🤣🤣🤣
It was creepy and cringy. Foster has been in the closet the majority of her career she finally comes out and then does this ridiculous bullshit. It's not okay, and it's not believable. Seriously, it made me sick
@@SpinSpin2020preach honey! Disgusting!
Yeah it was pretty bad. The sex scene was more gruesome than any of the murders were.
DON'T. YOU. DARE.
@@SpinSpin2020And then you compare the sex scene in season 1, a quick passionate mess, quickly followed by heavy regret and the catalyst to a big point of the plot. Season 1 isn't 100% perfect, but goddamn did they try to be efficient in the use of the time given.
i just hate that at this point in the show i know more about Chief Danvers sex life and sexual past more than what ever the fuck is going on with the case itself
The case takes a backseat so long, and overlaps with a past case, and suddenly there’s so many tangled threads I gave up trying to unravel them.
And meanwhile characters keep asking about another character’s past, and NO ONE can give a straight, simple answer. They either don’t tell the whole truth, or get interrupted.
We’re just not asking the right questions…WRONG. You’re not answering ANY QUESTIONS the viewer has, which keep piling up. 😠
Still not seen season 4, but the original cast, crew, directors, writers from previous seasons all having nothing to do with it literally means someone else is making a different show under the name.
It was written as a stand-alone show that got the True Detective name thrown onto it.
So the Mexican writer writes out the native indigenous women to suit herself? Bravo 😂
The meglected issue is that Night Country was supposed to be a standalone show, but HBO decided to make it a TD show. Therefore you can see the out of placeness of references to season 1.
I heard Lopez had to make it connect to the series in order for it to be greenlit, you're correct though about it being originally stand alone.
This makes so much sense because it never really felt like a TD season to me. And the way they throw the line "time is a flat circle" into it at the last moment left a bad taste in my mouth.
So basically it's a 10 Cloverfield Lane sorta thing.
And last comment, I agree - when he threw out that circle line, I rolled my eyes.
That said, I thought this season was...fine.
The problem is that the victim turns out to be the villain. She destroyed scientific research that could have revolutionized medicine. She doomed millions to unnecessary suffering and death for lack of the medical breakthroughs that could have been. Her death isn't tragic.
Yeah that was a massive, massive misfire in writing. If it was for a cosmetics company or whatever: fine. Bud the life’s work or men working in isolation to save millions? She didn’t deserve l to die but that’s just shocking writing.
Intro had me laughing SO HARD
What is wrong with this season can be distilled to one scene in particular: Hank Prior's little chat with Kate McKittrick, the owner of the mine. Try to imagine a scene in season 1 depicting a conversation of any kind between the season's villains, none of the POV protagonists are around to witness it, we are just shown them conniving and plotting. Utterly depressing writing.
Yeah but Season 1 did have that moment in episode 4 when Rust looked straight at the camera and said "We're all the True Detectives now".
I clapped when I saw that homage in season 4.
9:37 100%. I told my partner if you need to articulate an opinion about the production of the whole season hearing the theme song is just enough. what a joke
I couldn’t get through 2 episodes of szn 4.
I wasn’t a big fan of season 2 but there was a lot going on to keep me invested.
Loved season 1 & 3 though!
This series has no reason to have True Detective attached to the title, except to give it false legitimacy. It’s amateurish drivel. We all know why the director/show runner and cast were chosen.
I really don't understand why people thought this season with a new showrunner would be even close to be as good as season one. You get a new boss on a show, the show usually becomes shit, its clear that this woman has an agenda and uses the franchise to push her ideologies instead of telling a good story. If you torture yourself again watching season 5 then the shame is on you.
100% agree. Creating true art that transcends the medium it represents is lighting in a bottle. Previously nic had years to fine tune the writing and had great support from the cast, even if they didn't get along, which often in great movies and TV shows is the case. Now it's just a product, a brand, something to fill the time slot. I don't necessarily mind the money aspect of art but with today's mindless woke messaging, how could you ever have characters that discuss something interesting or novel? Also, yeah the opening theme song is dog shit, wtf is this emo pop doing in my hard boiled detective?!.. Seriously, has everyone lost good taste in style and genre they are supposed to represent. And the women thing.. save the propaganda for the liberal arts degrees, why can't we explore the nature of what it means to work together as men and women? We have for hundreds of thousands of years.. yes there are problems and different desires and needs, but say something authentic about the relationship, give an insight of how nature operates and what we as a species can choose to do with it. Anyway, the setting of dark Alaska is awesome, the concept is cool but the execution is just meh.. I guess I'll just write my own detective story.
My god that opening lmao
The way you opened this video…I’m still fu**ing laughing 30 minutes later.
hahahaha
It starts on a remote research station somewhere in Alaska, where a group of all-male scientists mysteriously disappear one night and their frozen mangled corpses with twisted faces are later found in the middle of nowhere. Sounds *very original* right? Surely, *doesn't ring any bells whatsoever. Especially nothing like a 1982 film starring Kurt Russel and directed by John Carpenter.*
Anyway, this incredibly original mysterious murder case kicks of when an old lady finds the missing crew in the middle of nowhere, being guided there by a spirit of her deceased ex-lover, *Travis Cohle* (that's right), who after finishing his tai-chi session in long johns, points her at the scene of murder. You remember Rustin Cohle, right? Surely, they mentioned his father for a good reason, and not just to keep you hooked on that first episode!
We know Rust grew up on Alaska and his dad, Travis, was a survivalist. So naturally, a dead parody of him is used as a plot device to introduce the actual survivalist, Rose.
There's also the mysterious and truly terrifying spiral symbol we saw back in season 1, which will become *very important for the plot* and change absolutely everything. Just keep watching!
The family name "Tuttle" we also remember back from season 1 will be uttered a couple of times and yes, rest assured that this also will have a meaningful impact on the plot of this new exciting season. Just you wait!
Finally, the sentence "Time is a flat circle" will be uttered at a critical moment, smoothly connecting all of the plot's intricate and carefully crafted threads together at a *perfect time* when everything will be explained, because all the aforementioned breadcrumbs the show carefully placed will now *reveal the missing link with first season.*
Especially the mysterious way in which the unfortunate scientists have died will be explained in detail and *absolutely everything will make sense in the end.*
It's truly a masterpiece and I can see how it's got *far better ratings than the 1st seaon.*
It's very hard to watch this season without laughing. Ghosts, UFOs, defrosting blob of scientists, alien tattoos, hysterical Alaskan lesbians, MAGA riot men hunting a 'Thing", rolling oranges, angry sex, voodoo trailers. And the angry hardened female detective thing is so played out.
True Detective - Season 4 - Emo Country
It was way too tryhard, with cheap tricks to keep the viewer engaged. And the theme song is probably the worst i heard since star trek enterprise.
I never understood why people talk about "violence agaisnt women" as this big issue. Women have lower chances of being victims of violent crimes.
Hi, I'm from the future. The show ended up really sucking and the finale was a complete joke.
i closed it after 10 min. the dialogue, writing, way it was shot, acting.... it all felt so generic, scripted, and forced. s1 felt so natural, effortless in the way it was delivered. everything just meshed together so well, for whatever reason. i just didn't feel that at all in this season. though to be fair it wasn't just s4, it was s2-3 as well
That beginning was awesome
Bro lol
*WAA* *WAA* “What happened to my misogyny?!? GIVE ME MY MISOGYNY!!”
True Detective season one is mid. The reason people like it is because they either 1) they’re 15 when they saw it, or 2) they’re obsessed with its presentation of masculinity.
Now there’s talk of Nick Pizzolatto being black listed in Hollywood because he was critical of Season 4. What a joke. Season 4 was an embarrassing disgrace in every respect. Any criticism of season 4 is well deserved and unless Nick comes back to write another season I’m done with the franchise.
Season 2 is amazing. Night country is BAD. Laughably bad.
"Woke Country".
If you wanna see pretty much this exact same concept & setting executed better, watch Wind River.
The references to season 1 make no sense. They show the spiral symbol multiple times, they show Travis Cohle walking out on the ice, there's even a scene where some guys track down Foster's character just to show her a rock with the spiral symbol. What do the callbacks amount to? Absolutely nothing. There is no connection to season 1 in any meaningful sense.
it is physically impossible for a woman to create a piece of art and not do a self-insert.
okay, i am 23 seconds into this review and I know i've come to the right place. I did watch the entire S4, but i was left feeling cheated, robbed and angry after each episode.
I’m shocked at how bad it is and how some people think it’s great lol
i dont believe the bs that the first season has lower ratings than this mess....no way
Of course it's a fraud.
I don’t disagree with any of this but I do think that repeating series one would be a mistake. This has to be different.
I really enjoyed episode one and thought ‘we’re back’ but have since felt it slide- something is missing.
Right but look at fargo. First three seasons were all so different but top notch in quality
Great opening 😂 I really enjoyed season 2, not so much the 3rd one... And I liked this 4th season at the beginning, but then it seems to get lost in nothingness.
I admit I did enjoy this season but S2 is still my favorite (basically tied for 1st place with S1 since they're so amazing and so different). Then comes S3 which I also REALLY enjoyed. It had a mostly happy ending after the bad guys win ending of S2.
Night County is easily 4th place although I did enjoy the story and performances and ties to S1.
I think that Night Country tried to succeed in part by latching on to the supernatural or metaphysical ideas in season 1, but what happened is that it ended up tossing out key words and images without giving them any grounding, even in mystery. It was just, "Look! Here's a spiral! Doesn't it look like the one in the first season? Here it is again, in an orange peel!" The writing lacked subtlety. Whereas in Season 1 the idea of supernatural influences and events is dealt with in a subtle way that makes you keep wanting to dig deeper to find out if there is any real supernatural mystery to be found, Season 4 just throws it in your face. Look! We have ghosts! Etc.
I would wait until the Season ends to draw any personal conclusions. That said...we all agreee that S1 is the top tier of any shows to be aired. Drawing comparisons, and especially the ones you point out, is not a good way to assess S4. We can't rethread the same path after all without being stale or derivative. I would NOT want Navarro and JF exchanging deep conversations while driving the car or such. I kinda like the way that both,so far, are quite bottled up and unable to express their inner demons as yet. I will try to write more thoughts soon.
Well it's ended with the nerdy blood thirsty scientists that murdered the Inuit girl all cowering under desks when the revenge of the maids came calling. Absolutely ridiculous gongshow.
Mean spirited, unpleasant and poorly written. It was all solved in minutes by the cleaner who spilled some water? Utter codswallop.
Note from the future: they did not turn things around
Being fair, Rust was just quiting Thomas Ligotti, Eugene Thacker and David Benatar.
The whole "human conciousness was a mistake" was probable taken from Ligotti's The Conspiracy Against Human Race, and Ligotti was talking about the ideas of Peter Wessel Zapffe, for example.
Season 4 is definitely weaker than season 1, I agree. But then so are seasons 2 and 3. In fact season 2 is significantly worse than 4. Ultimately season 1 was just lightning in a bottle and no matter how hard they try they haven't come close to catching it again.
The 4th episode of season 1 absolutely destroys night country lol
You got me dying laughing at the beginning of the video!! 😅
You don't argue that season 1 is the best. It's just a fact lol
Matthew mcconaughey gave the performance of a life time as cohle
he was amazing
Isnt he involved with season 4?
@@TheRealBatCaveno he isn’t. He is credited as producer, but so is Pizzolatto and he isn’t involved at all.
@michawee thought I saw an interview with foster saying it was great 2 work with him on this
He was great , but thought he was better in Dallas buyers club.
Two Men in a Car: Talking about theology and philosophy
Two Women in a Car: TINDER LOL
It's truly unreal how something can be ruined
lmfao
Factually stands up 😂
Sad thing is, that is realistically what women would talk about.
@@giveandtake8428 the desperate ones yeah so I guess that's the only types u know lol
I think you started a meme with that opening
I’m shocked it hasn’t already become a more popular meme template, it’s perfect.
The dialog with them discussing Tinder is pure cringe
its decent enough for something that AI generated though
?? They talk abt it for 2 seconds u whiny bitch get over it
yes - and so is the orange part - i cringed for the director/writer who ruined a subtle hint of impending doom - so much for exposition - it was forcing the story on the dumb viewers - I want to be dumb and do homework via watching stuff like this if I don't get it - Season 4 is too much paint by number
The fact that Tinder is even still a thing is foul….🤷🏻♀️🤣
To make it short: they have #dumbed down "True Detective" for a gullible audience....🙄
The best way to illustrate the difference between seasons 1 and 4 to me is to compare the scenes where they discuss god and spirituality. Rust gave deep, thought-provoking albeit cynical answers as to why he was an atheist that were more of a critique of the vapid, hypocritical, performative church culture you’d find in the Deep South. Danvers, on the other hand, says something along the lines of, “HA! You pray?! Oh come on, that’s so stupid. When I was a toddler I prayed that my mom wouldn’t die and she did, so, you know… it’s all garbage.” The dialogue in season 4 feels so compulsory and superficial. To me, it just screams “I don’t care just fill in the blanks.”
The writers might not be as intelligent anymore. As long as they shit on faith they're good.
you want every single season to do exact same thing and have deep long conversations about religion? Why repeat what s1 already did good? Good writer wouldnt do that. But clearly everyone here must be a writer and knows better xD Danvers is short with words, but its still clear what she thinks. She has family, unlike Rust. She cant allow herself to be that nihilistic about life, so she is not that original in her way of thinking about life after death and we dont need that deep of a dive with her into it.
@@kptmaci4979 Eh... In my opinion they are comparing on how both of these seasons handle the same topic, that is Theism with two different approaches, I'd argue True detective S1's approach was fresh even by today's standards. It was a well-written and a Human approach to this topic. while Night country just dumbs it down significantly. every time Theism comes at play in S1, it goes from Religion to Morality to Nihilism. all these conversations offer an amazing insight into the main protagonists of the series. I'm not saying we should repeat the same approach, which is frankly what you are suggesting as well. But True detective was unique because of these deep insightful conversations. It was a significant contributor to the overall theme of the show. Night country was decent in my opinion. it doesn't need deep long conversations about religion but rather actual internal-conflict (Rust and Marty's Dualism) and dialogue that could stand on it's own.. that's just my opinion though.
I suppose the difference is that the eason 4 example is more representative of how people actually speak.
@@kenny-z8e5n if I wanted to ear that people actually say I would leave the house and talk with people, I'm watching a show here, I want to be entertained
So Lopez thinks she can write women characters and it means making them simply incompetent police officers...The irony of this is that only character who does the detective work is some boy in his twenties...
A white guy no less... lmao
and he gets shit for it lmao, wife kicks him out, probably divorces him, even tho he probably makes the most income as a police officer, his boss overworks him 24/7 almost, and he misses out on christmas eve and his boss meanwhile is getting drunk and fucking an older police officer, or detective. lmao, its such a joke. @@joeblowe3180
It reveals her deep subconscious fantasy of longing to have a lover of that prototype.
Sounds about right. Women are generally incompetent and she drilled in another female creator theme of the 20th century where "good writing" means pollute the story with repeating unnecessary sex and whoring around.
She's a hack.
Not enough CGI Animals running around
0 stars
There's only one way to sum up True Detective Night Country. It sucks and it's boring.
Preach
Well said 👏
Well said
To make it short: they have #dumbed down "True Detective" for a gullible audience....🙄
I can hear Eric Cartman’s Kathleen Kennedy voice in my head.
Some garbage legacy media channel is actuallt claiming S4 is getting better ratings than S1.
They really think we are idiots.
To make it short: they have #dumbed down "True Detective" for a gullible audience....🙄
Is true detective season one was released post streaming that wouldn't be the case.
@@hanyolo2041 What??🤔🤔
My wife and I just turned it off last week. Genuinely not worth the time it takes to watch it. We’d have to ask wtf is going on now…. then figure it out….then realize we didn’t give af
I stopped in the middle of episode 4
They traded good storytelling for mystery box storytelling.
JJ Abrams has entered the chat
@@motioninart I think the only show that effectively used the mystery box was Severance. We as the audience didn’t really know what was going on but we were invested in the characters enough to want to take that journey.
It looks like The Doctor just entered Jodie Foster's "Mystery Box!" 😮
@@Mr_Case_Time no, it was Lost 🏝️
@@Frank-Einstein-MadmanI'd enter her box fr
If you gonna watch this trash at least don't pay for it.
💀
All hail Torrent
I didnt and I still want money for my time being wasted
All hope faded....it certainly does suck.
Two female leads that are hysterical for 6 hour straight.
Chasing ghosts for 6 hours only to figure out the maid did it.
Really?
on point! i really kept asking myself during the whole time how they can focus on the case being this hysterical and aggressive all the time. a detective needs a clear mind to investicate not this bs
I was on the True Detective Reddit page (first mistake) I saw a guy ask the question about the opening with billie elish’s song feeling out of place and getting absolute slated for just asking the question, getting told “it’s just a song get over it” I felt myself that this season is trying to explore deeper themes and messages while not being intelligent enough to actually challenge or question these themes with our it being superficial
yea the music on the show has been the major flaw so far imo. but i could careless about the opening song, doesnt mean anything. but the songs in the actual show have upset me
@@mortystraphouse5077 It actually means the show is probably gonna suck
@@mortystraphouse5077 " the opening song, doesnt mean anything"
except it does.
@@FUCKINGDOUGAnd it does suck ass in a major way.
Typical reddit bugman hivemind 😂
No wonder Nic Pizzolatto (TD series creator) threw shade at season 4. "True Detective: Night Country" insists upon itself.
I stand by him
Like _The Godfather?_
He was right to distance himself from S4... it's so bad.
@@NickCagerWell, his name is still in the credits 😂
I mean, ngl i really couldn’t care less what Pizzolatto thinks of other people’s work. He wrote True Detectivd S1, yes, but by all accounts he’s a one hit wonder who’s produced nothing matching even a fraction of the quality of season one since.
Season 2 should have down scaled. There was too many characters which made it difficult to follow and hard to develop everyone. If it was just Ray Valcoro and Frank doing shady shit for 10 episodes and then crack a case in the end it would have been so much better. Owen Farrel and Vince Vaughn did so well with the dog shit script they were given.
Yeah, if everyone is dark and mysterious, it just seems funny not serious.
S2 was great compared to s4. Literally there are no compelling characters in s4 everyone sucks
I assume someone spent years writing S1 which has those unforgettable profound and philosophical insights.
it feels like a lot of it stems from personal experience
Yeah, it's been estimated that Pizzolatto had about three years before shooting to refine the script. None of the following seasons barring season 3 seem to have that amount of time.
It was also based on a real story of a real detective. Should be somewhere on UA-cam. He was very impressive during the interviews, and could make almost anyone confess.
nah he took it from Ligotti's Conspiracy Agains the Human Race, a book about the philosphy of pessimism and anti-natalism.@@naysay02
To make it short: they have #dumbed down "True Detective" for a gullible audience....🙄
Season 4 is so garbage sjw, unrealistic, and the story itself condridics itself, embarrassing. jodi foster deserved better
Season 4 ended and it sucked all the way through. They phoned it in and shamelessly borrowed from season 1. The spirals were unnecessary in this story. Just more lazy writing.
Dear god the last episode is such shit its amazing how bad it is lol
Yep. I was awed by its stupidity. Still am. It takes talent (though not a good kind) to write something that dumb.
1000% agree with the choice of the Billie Eilish song. Awful theme song.
Not enough people talk about T-Bone Burnett’s work on the soundtrack for S1, 2, and 3. There’s also this behind the scenes discussion between him and Nic, where it becomes clear just how much they were on the same wavelength, creatively-speaking.
It’s quite inspiring.
The ending song of episode 3 for s1 is amazing and way too short
hbo will ruin this show again. And again. And again. You see time is a flat circle.
"Male Detective Story". Once he uttered that phrase, it told us all we needed to know about season 4. The rest of the interviews were just diarrhea icing on the crap cake.
nice metaphor!
To those showrunners and writers hacks are more ideologues and pundits of gender studies than actually creatives and writers, and it shows in this season. They're more interested in hammering a political message so the "dumb" viewers can be educated than to actually tell a compelling story.
It's about bein preachy and morally policing than being a storyteller. I saw the Forbes critic said this season felt like some sort of "Virtue-noir" and I couldn't agree more.
We are living in trying times indeed...
The show having two female leads was most likely not of the writers choosing and instead a mandate from the higher ups in order to hit diversity quotas set by the main investors in HBO/Warner Bros Blackrock and Vanguard group who have strict diversity and inclusion requirements via the ESG mandates.
@@BoleDaPole It's possible. On the other hand, having seen Lopez in some of her interviews, I get the sneaking idea that her hiring was partially because her thinking and writing was fortunately exactly in line with such policies.
To make it short: they have #dumbed down "True Detective" for a gullible audience....🙄
Season 4 is unwatchable...
😂 I just got done saying the same thing and read down to see your same comment. I couldn't even get thru 2 episodes of season 4.
Having a hard time finishing the first episode
I agree, pure tedious woke garbage.
Agreed. It was slow boring garbage
I literally just saw the first half of the first episode and switched it off. Woke garbage.
I thought season 4 had a great beggining, opening episode, etc. But now that i ve finished it. Oh man, it sucked. Not a single male character who isnt castrated
Yep. What ever positives the series had was completely ruined by that shitshow of a finale. I only wish I could get those hours back that I wasted on it.
Season 4 seems to think mood and atmosphere alone can take the place of character development, writing and plot. Season 4 looks nice but everything else is ridiculous and cliche’.
Also, women are so angry all the time. It's tiring.
How the hell did Issa Lopez get the job for directing and writing a True Detective season?
She's only been working in Mexico doing shitty comedies and one supernatural movie.
Vagina Minority Power!
Maybe she slept with one of the big dogs. That's how many women go to the top where I'm from.
I've seen it so many times I'm not even surprised anymore when I see it now.
They need more stunning and brave directors. She checked all the right boxes.
Bad telenovela quality
She didn't really initially, she wrote this crap as a standalone new series, HBO then decided it would become True Detective Season 4 and asked her to write some connecting tissue resulting in the lazy junk tie ins to season 1
Besides the strong and highly contrasting POV characters of season 1 (coupled with the oppressive setting), I get the feeling that Nic built a Devil's Nest of a criminal enterprise -- something truly vile but also clandestine and oddly layered & intertwined, only held together by dodgy and guarded individuals, that all worked in harmony to keep the central mystery always at arms length from the detectives. I wouldn't say the Tuttle/Childress child sacrifice ring was the most elegantly enigmatic criminal organization ever on screen (maybe befitting the rustic/simple nature of the Devil's Nest motif) .. but it was sufficiently complex and structured, touching everything from the governor to a meth cook to a lowly school yard caretaker, that it would need 8 episodes and a couple of decades to unwind. That's something I feel is missing from the other seasons .. the structure holding together and protecting the perpetrators.. like a 3D puzzle of a cage. A locked room?
well said.
Bravo! Season 1 did feel long at times but the pay off was worth it.
Spot on. Frustrated by the overly contrived supernatural theme of Dark Country which I am certain will be a hallucinogenic interpretation. This is where the magic recipe is messed up. Where individual psychological exploration is the focus of Dark Country, it was philosophical exploration of human nature, good/evil, reality, etc of season 1 which made it unique and intellectually compelling. Who better to talk about such things than police officers!
Its too much in your face
Good analysis.
I like the two leads, if only it was scripted better. Strong first episode, but it's gone hardly anywhere since.
But from the opening, Billie Elish.. a rich young female pop singer with a pretentious current year affect just doesn't give me vibes that the grit or reality or gravitas is being evoked. And that's my whole problem with the show. It feels like a kind of self insertion constantly of the writer, a woman who has lived a life somehow removed from or uncomprehending of the people she is representing (either demonizing or valorising based generally on their skintones/hereditary) . Her treatment of men is also one dimensional - men are either uninspiring morons or outright villains. Revenge or just how she really sees things? I know it's women driven but does that mean men must then defacto be represented in such a unskilled way? Because it feels like the self insertion of the writers own urbane social projections... In other words, this show is didactic.
Iirc Nic first wrote about the relationship of just two guys, Rust and Marty, first and foremost. You can see how that is a very strong core of the show as it evolves and keeps it interesting throughout. Nic only added the murder mystery later, which is still good, but its not what carries the show. Night Country seems to be written from the angle of murder mystery, and the characters were almost an afterthought. I still like the Alaskan setting from night country but other than that there are sadly very few things to be positive about.
Nic also grew up in Louisiana, the setting is it’s own character in that show and the writer was intimately familiar with the setting, it meant something to him and Cary’s cinematography captured exactly what it needed to. Season One was absolutely lightning in a bottle.
The people behind this season should be ashamed...turned a masterpiece into a pile of shit
It ruined season one?
please, it's better than 2 and 3
@@MsTriangle no and definitely no
@@TooDarkFart they ruined the show, watching this after the first season the difference in the quality of the writing is abysmal
They didn't ruin the show every season of its own installment. And the good thing about night country is it wasn't even supposed to be true detective so we can just forget about it ladies and gentlemen
I really don’t care about the politics in show 4, it’s just that the show is trash, boring, bad script, bad direction… It takes away your desire to watch it. A real shame!
The show should have never aired. It's a hot cold mess with no detective.
I also think the teal/orange colour grading makes it look cheap like a Netflix show (especially when compared to season 1)
lol
Bi sexual lighting
yes. I don't mind teal/orange, but that much? it's too exaggerated.
My eyes are still bleeding from the opening.
Hahaha
This show stinks. It makes season 2 look like Shakespeare.
you shouldve just made this after night country has ended- seems weird only being halfway through. fortunately it continued being crap so most of ur points are still valid.. 😂
I think the biggest problem is that while there was a lot of social commentary in season 1 (probably most prominently Marty's hypocrisy and infidelity) it was always left to the audience to see it. The show never told us what we're supposed to think about the characters, about the themes, etc... It was just a good story, with good characters in believable environment. This, they just cannot stop themselves from hammering us over the head with preachy rubbish.
Season 1 was a good story first, strong characters second and rest was implied, left to the audience. Night Country is a boring story with unlikeable characters that only serves as canvas for social commentary authors want so desperately talk about. But yeah, I guess that's just so obvious that it doesn't have to be stated.
I’m so disappointed that they’ve ruined True Detective now. Surprised? No. Disgusted? Yes.
Even with all that high concept I still couldn’t survive the 1st episode.
"high concept" 🙂 Some should have had lewis black count all the times jodi foster says "fuck". The rest of the characters too really -almost seemed like they were making a show for disney's channel at first, then had to scramble at the last minute to make it an R rated show for hbo and no one told them.....
I just can't buy Jody foster as a 70 year old Alaskan detective, just ridiculously bad casting and acting from both lead actors
They needed a big name and a link to the first season to sell the woke crap.
Because… D.E.I strikes again lol I should just start writing 🤣
It's very interesting that you said szn 1 was lightning in a bottle. I agree! I think Szn 3 came DAMN close to re-capturing that. The time jumps were awesome, the main characters (the two detectives were brilliant). The love story of Purple Hayes and his wife was an awesome sub-plot.
I just finished watching Fargo Szn 5, which I LOVED, and do think it re-captured both the movie Fargo and Szn 1 of Fargo very, very well. I agree with you though on this szn of True Detective.... where the first and third installments felt greater than the sum of their parts, this one... just feels like it's only as good as the sum of its parts.
Fargo 5 was one of the worst things ever shown on TV. It's like a satire of a satire of some Coen turd.
Interesting literature on the existential/phenomenal self model topics in S01: Being No One ~ Thomas Metzinger and for the more horror flavor: The Conspiracy Against the Human Race ~ Thomas Ligotti.
That opening was brilliant 😂
There was more wit in the first thirty seconds of this video than in the whole fourth season.
This show was so sloppily conceived. Another element I just caught when watching this is this reference to Tinder where Foster's character states that she sets her search radius to Fairbanks. Ennis, though imaginary, is clearly in the Arctic Circle, adjacent to an ocean and therefore in the northern most part of the state. That makes it essentially 500 miles away from Fairbanks! This is like living in New York City and being open to dating/hooking up with someone who lives in Cleveland. Not only is that absurd, I don't even think Tinder has a search radius of more than 100 miles. Who doesn't even look at a map to try and understand the universe of their story when it's the central character in that story?
Why wasn't season 4 set in Mexico? Clearly that's an angle that could have been taken. Yeah it'd get compared to Sicario but I think if your background is Mexico, then do Mexico as the setting?
That was the initial idea by Nic then HBO changed it.
Would have been awesome
i watched maybe 15 minutes of first episode. could tell right away it was a man hating show. felt bad for Jodie Foster. being caught up in this garbage. True Garbage
It’s refreshing to see someone giving this (TD: Strong Independent Women Diversity Orange Country
) an objective analysis.
The Show went from cleverly referencing Freud, Nietzsche and M-Theory to… tinder and rolling oranges.
My take on this iteration so far:
- Cinematography - 7/10
- Writing - Styooopeed
- Acting - utterly idotic
- Score - 4/10
Tinder and rolling oranges hahaha
I love it. Thanks for the kind words ❤️
The acting is awful.
what are your takes on pointing ghosts?
only edgys liked the first season for his nihilistic bullshit, we few wached and liked for his lovecraft references and this one deepens into that shit
@@Dzulumsito you mean this seasons deepens into Lovecraft? THIS season?