Finally someone that agrees that Eren saw Sasha's death at that moment. Thats why he asked Connie for her last words; he saw that Sasha said meat when she died. When he asked Connie about it, he wanted to see if the future he saw was deviated or still the same, hence the crying/laughing reaction when it was confirmed that nothing was changed.
I thought the same exact thing, and I think the reason why he laughed and cry was bc he was also thinking that, no matter what, the future that he saw won’t change. Bc of this I also think that he pities himself.
@@dannyzero692 they don't become more true the more you try, they are always true from the beginning that is what makes them prophecies. It just so happens that your reaction to knowing the prophecy is part of the cause for it but that is obvious since otherwise it could never hold true.
@@MrTheodore15 He foresaw an outcome that would play out, no matter how much he tried steer it off course. At that point, I can't really blame him for just giving into his fate.
@@ArchivedGeo AOT is the only other story I've seen and read to ever touch upon war like this. The reality that wars will always break out because there is an enemy to fight and warfare is simply a means of negotiation between states. Since war is one thing that can never be avoided, the best thing one can do is to protect what's right in front of them, which Eren did. Eren was not able to secure a future in which war and hatred was absent, but he did secure a future peaceful enough for his friends to live in. I understand people who say that what Eren did was morally wrong, but then again, was there really any other option?
He saw his entire life, stuff he didn't agree with, stuff he hated seeing, like egging his dad on to jumpstart all of this, telling Mikasa he hates her guts, and activating the Rumbling to destroy the world. All this and the knowledge you can't change a damn thing about it. In all honesty the fact that he didn't just go fucking wacko after that is a testament to how strong willed he is.
To be obsessed with freedom your whole life, only to find out you're just a foil for a 9 year old girl's plan from 2000 years ago must be just about the most soul crushing thing ever.
Ymir didn't plan anything what happened in the story was what eren wanted to happen, he said it already, he wanted this to happen, he is a mentally ill mass murderer, he wanted to use the power he got to do what he wanted, to the point of giving himself the power, it's hard to understand eren's character tbh but everything happened as he willed it Ymir only waited for someone to save her and free her
@@Omar-um4nn I disagree, given his last minute mental breakdown with Armin, him apologising profusely to Ramsey, him begging Hanjie to give him a different solution to the one he's found himself in. This is why Eren's story is such a tragedy, because any other decision besides the one he makes, would lead to the utter destruction of his island and the death of his friends. His fate was Imposed on him.
Really love this rendition, you didn’t simply just piece together the different clips as other people have done you actually made it seem like it was mysterious, haunting and confusing for Eren to witness. The heartbeat was an amazing touch.
Not only that but both future and past are so connected in that moment that he can hardly tell which time is connected to each timeline he sees. Everything is overflowing so he can't comphrened everything but can probably only tell certain things apart. Like the rumbling, how he eventually dies etc. He doesn't specifically know when or how anything happens. really well done
I like that he used music from Dune as well a series people destroy themselves and the world around them to prevent the future they saw, and their own “Terrible Purpose” as it’s phrased in the book.
There are some others that are insane as well and well made too, but only this one is accurate with all the rest of the story, showing what Eren knew, because for most part Eren didn't know at that time the details, he just saw a bunch of mind-blowing end results and what Grisha did to the Reiss family and felt it like it was him doing it.
It's a reallly good edit and it's mostly catered towards viewers. However, this video implies that Eren's visions are basically wild lucid dreams, whoch is definitely not the case. He didn't see everything, but what he saw appeared very clear to him.
@@baggelissonic True! But this is almost there, quite good. It is still very rare that someone gets this part of the story slightly right and this is pretty much there. Like you you said, really good edit :)
Considering Eren Just saw the literal apocalypse, his own death by the hand of his lover, mentally destroying his own fsther, cause his mother to die and so many of his friends being hurt in the process and because of him! Its a miracle he didn’t just collapse on the floor or started screaming.
Eren may be a prick sometimes but he's tough as f. Reiner returned home traumatized and almost comitted suicide. Annie's cold personality was her way to withstand so much pain, suffering and anger (she was akin to Mikasa, who loved showing emotion through action). Berthold suffered a lot just like Armin. Eren ironically was one of the few who got his s together. Him and Sasha of course
You sure you don’t mean his son Leto II? God emperor? Tyrant and follower of the golden path when his father couldn’t do it?? Yeah I’d say it’s an almost perfect parallel but to Leto not to Paul. This is also why I think Erin did what he did to SAVE humanity, by nearly ending it, just like Leto, they also have the ability to see through time and the golden path is the one single possible future that leads to the peace, cooperation and ultimately evolution of the human race, a single common enemy, a wold ending threat, a devil. Erins horror in this scene and at the beach is the realization that this is what it takes, he’s crying inside for the billions of lives.. and after the beach his eyes look dead for the rest of the series because he has decided to become the devil, to save the world
@@DrJohnnyApocolypse I get what you mean, I also agree that there are parallels to Leto II, but I think Eren does share some aspects with Paul as well. From the beginning of the book, Paul has dreams of the jihad and calls it his feeling of terrible purpose. Throughout the whole novel Paul tries to change little things in hopes of avoiding his terrible purpose, to ultimately fail. In DUNE Messiah Paul explains that he could have avoided the Jihad in numerous ways, however, all of these ways would have lead to the eventual death of his house. So, ultimately Paul could not avoid the jihad, cause he could not let go of his desire to restore House Atreides, and the only futures in which that was possible included the jihad. Paul saw the Golden Path as well, but thought it too horrible to commit to. That's when Leto comes in, who forfeits his humanity and almost all attachments to become this "perfect predator" for humanity. Eren had a vision of the rumbling and did not like what he saw. He tried to change small things, but it had no effect. And in his conversation with Armin he explains why, "I am a slave to freedom". Eren could not let go off his twisted version of freedom, and the one future where he could attain it was the rumbling one. That's when he creates his plan to have the others stop him, and thus create peace. However, I think the important difference between Eren and Leto II are, that Eren wasn't willing / able to cut all his attachments and strings. So IMO, Eren starts out as Paul and eventually turns into a Paul-Leto mixture.
I believe Eren saw much more than this. He saw all the things to come in his and his friend's lifetime (the events in the anime) but also the full future and past of the world as experienced by the paths. So he saw the immense amount of time pass just like we did in the series' end credits. This would have made him extremely numb, and made it easier for him to accept all the horrendous things to come in the short term.
I would understand him seeing the past but i thought the paths dimension and the connection to ymir was severed when mikasa set her free Edit: *as to say eren couldnt see the future
Eren did not see the whole past or future. He only saw the memories his future self gave to Grisha via the attack titan’s power. Eren didn’t see the entire future until he activated the rumbling.
No, there is very hard evidence suggesting he never saw anything beyond himself above the clouds when he kissed Historia’s hand. Eren saw the specific memories that Grisha was sent from Future Eren. As Eren says “I saw my own future through my father’s memories”. It was only after achieving the full powers of the founding titan that Eren started to experience past present and future simultaneously.
@@RaffyDGoatthe ability to see future memories should be one of the powers of the attack titan, not the founding titan, so theoretically he could have been able to see those memories also before activating the founding titan full powers, am I wrong?
@@GianlucOne88tbh i dont wven think the attack titan has that power. if they did then grisha would have seen his future, but he only saw what eren wanted him to see and he went crazy the way i saw it was that the “future” was just erens memories that he sent to the previous attack titans
This is only the second one of these that actually shows what Eren would have seen. Brief visions of his future, through his father’s memories that older Eren sent him, and not just everything like many think. The Dune music is also a great addition.
With Eren it doesn't really matter whether his future self shows him everything or just bits. He can't leave the path he's on, cause it's already determined and put him where his future self made those choices in the first place. It's literally set in stone and he CAN'T change it anymore. He can just play his role. So withholding anything from him wouldn't gain his future self anything. He has no options.
@@diogomarques9228He said he will destroy whole world outside walls for him. And he was going to destroy even prandis just to force Mikasa to kill him.
This is actually terrifying if you think about it. Imagine knowing what will happen every single day going forward, while vividly remembering every single day before, not only of his life, but every single attack and founder titans before him throughout history. Knowing everything that happened and everything that will still happen until the day of his own death, at the same time, while learning that he is truly a slave to fate, he was never free to begin with.
That’s also a callback to Kenny’s speech. “We’re all a slave to something”. Eren was a slave to freedom, at the cost of his own life, and everyone else’s as well
@@darrelld8578 in a way, they all attained freedom in various forms. Eren earned it through death, Mikasa earned it through the loss of the person she was obsessively in love with, Armin earned it through embracing his leadership skills and Levi in a way earned his piece by actually being incapacitated
I think as well on the horror of knowing that the person he is in love with, is predestined to kill him. Mikasa was his soul's resonance to love, his vision of the man he could have been, his connection to his humanity. His motivation to enforce peace by becoming the devil himself, was certainly not just his slavery to freedom, but also his self-sacrifice to create a future where his beloved had a chance to lay down her arms and live a simple peaceful life.
his personality doesn't change, his perspective does, he loses his free will in learning the future, it crushes him because optimism literally cannot exist when you know the predetermined outcome, he would never be free, he would do these things, then he would die, there was nothing else.
And if he can’t have a normal life without titans and living in a world where humanity doesn’t care for the planet or themselves then he’ll show them how WRONG they really were
I like to think he didn't see why he'd start the rumbling only that he would. This to me would be extremely tragic if we assume he was trying to avoid that future, so everything we saw him do leading up to the rumbling would be entirely pointless. Eren was never going to be able to avoid starting the rumbling no matter how hard he tried and so he was always destined to be the Devil from Paradise.
This is interesting because his actions towards his friends would make sense as he pushed them away so they would fight him once the rumbling started and that he knew he couldn’t prevent the rumbling and therefore he’d inspire them to fight back against him.
Eren is tragic. His entire purpose was being the final attack titan to free ymir from King Fritz. Before he was born it was decided that he would be that as we see with Kruger having his memories. I'd like to think if Eren REALLY REALLY wanted to, he could have changed the future. But, since the choice he had was Marley committing mass genocide where his loved ones would die, or him committing mass genocide where his loved ones would live, it makes sense why he did just see what he would do with those choices. He tried to stop it but he just couldn't. It's so sad, I would never imagine back when the first season was airing that it was a warm up for how dark the story really is.
It’s not that Eren could not have avoided the Rumbling, but he infact wanted rumbling . This scene shows the choices Eren actively makes, which as a result, the rumbling occurs. So at the end of the day, Eren chose this fate.
He tried his hardest, that’s why he asked for Sasha’s last words, to check if what he did changed the future. That’s why he laughed afterwards, a laugh of craziness, helplessness.
I had never made the connection with Eren’s future memory ability and Paul Atreides’ Prescience. I know it’s probably not an intentional parallel on Yams part, but I still think the similarities between the two characters is very interesting.
I honestly didn't realize they had similarities until I read your comments just now. But in terms of world building and delivery of the story I prefer AoT's. I would still let it cook tho, I thoroughly enjoyed Dune movie and I prefer watching than to read. However, I didn't get the same feelings that I felt the first time watching first season of AoT from watching Dune. (I didn't read AoT manga because watching all the events happening is so much better than just reading it and from watching the final episode last week I have no regrets. It's just a preference) So at this point I wouldn't say they're on par right now, they might have similarities but they're not on the same level for me. The movie might not be as good as the books but that's on them not the audience's fault.
@@mikicho-2-matte336 read the Books, specially to the forth (after it is kinda oppcional). There is so much themes and scenes that weren't and couldn't be addapted, and God Emperor of Dune is absolute masterpiece and is incredible difficult to be addapted.
Having just watched the whole show twice in the past couple months, this video just gave me chills it is so accurate. As awful as what Eren did, I still can't help but feel bad for him for what he went through all those years internally and externally. AoT is easily one of the best 5 shows I have ever seen, not just animated shows, all shows. Well done.
@@atgmai the destiny can't be changed, the fact of you trying to change it is part of the destiny, you not trying to change it is also part of it, doesn't matter what you do. Poor Eren
I’ve argued HEAVILY with some of my friends who would rather be told absolutely everything instead of being left to wonder or speculate on moments like these. I should show them this vid, bc without ambiguity (with some certainty and confirmation sprinkled throughout season 4) you don’t get thought tangents like this and amazing edits like these. Well fucking done this is incredible
Honestly theres SO much I love sbout the AoT narritive but one of the most fascinating is Eren causing the Rumbling. A lot of people say "I feel bad because he saw the horrors but couldn't change it..." or, "How did he not go insane knowing what was going to happen..etc." but I think Eren, and as a result, the future he saw, is much more complex than that. Yes the Rumbling wasn't something he wanted to do, but it was something he wanted to happen, if that makes sense. When Eren apologized to Ramzi, he apologized not just for what he was going to do, but also because he wanted to do it and felt guilty for that desire. Yes, Eren was a slave to freedom, but really he was a slave to himself. His entire life he was incapable of change, so much so thay he created a paradox to manipulate his own past so he turns out the way he does. I think it's the sheer determination and resolve that he has that actually forced the timeline to have only one ending up until his death. He saw the Rumbling because that's what he wanted, and because that's the outcome he saw, that's the outcome he stuck to. He essentially forced himself into a deterministic path because that's what he wanted to happen, and it's what he wanted to believe was the only option. I truly believe that if it were someone other than Eren who could see the future, that said-person would've actually had choices, they would have seen a multitude of futures rather than just one. However, it was always going to be Eren in that position because he put himself in that postion, paradoxing himself and creating an endless loop of one-outcome. I think his death actually freed up the timeline and ironically gave people the freedom of choice and decision over their own fates.
I think it’s Reiner who keeps saying that Eren is the worst possible person to have the founding titan powers, and based on your analysis I think he was right. Sheer determination and resolve are beneficial when executing a plan, but not when making a choice. He has tunnel vision throughout the whole show, and I cannot imagine a worse quality for a decision-maker than that.
This is incredible, I get why they didn't add this to spoil literally the rest of the show and I'm glad they didn't, but this is cool to see after finishing everything.
This just gave me a geekgasm. My god people don’t understand why using Dunes soundtrack is so perfect here. Aot IS Dune! Isoyama was CLEARLY inspired by the character of Paul and his prescience. I love this so much!
Where has Isayama ever said that he was inspired by Frank Herbert’s Dune? I am pretty sure if there are any similarities between them, it is either accidental or coincidental
@@jimmyfaulkner1855 dune is the biggest sci-fi novel EVER. Literally it’s influence is everywhere. Some of the similarities include a character able to see the future, being connected to ancestors, themes of power and despotism, genocide, prophetic dreams, giant fearsome man eating monsters, government conspiracies etc…
@@marquistf1996 Just because it is popular doesn’t mean that it automatically or logically follows that Isayama was directly inspired by Dune. You also have to remember that Isayama is Japanese and Dune might not have the same level of popularity over there as it does in the USA. Also, those supposed similarities are not proof that there is a direct inspiration. Correlation does not 🟰 causation. Unless Isayama has revealed that he knows of Dune, is a fan of it, or was directly inspired by it, I don’t think it is going to be enough to demonstrate that AOT was inspired by Herbert’s Dune.
Alright, what he really, Really, REALLY saw was Grisha's Future Memories that Eren gave him through the Attack Titan. Some memories include him activating the Rumbling and making his father kill Frieda. These we know for sure, but any other memories he saw are left to the reader (or viewer) to interpret. Did Eren know Sasha would die? We don't know. Eren retroactively handpicked the memories he would send to Grisha after he obtained the full power of the Founder, which coincidentally is when he knew he would fail (he did not know until that moment), creating the deterministic universe AoT is set in. It's a 'chicken or the egg' situation.
He knew that Sasha would die. He tried to change the things up, but when he asked Connie about her last words, he realized that everything was going to be exactly the same, no matter how hard he tried to made them different.
@@rearviewmirror03 It's confusing because we think of time as linear, but think about it this way: There are two different "sources" of future memories-ones that Eren gets through his father and ones he sends himself once he gets the Founder's power. Of course, Eren had to handpick the memories that he sent through his father to avoid a couple of problems, such as his father knowing Eren's mom would die and that... Eren was the cause of that, lol. But he still had to show memories that a younger Eren (just before Historia kissed his hand) would need to be pushed towards the future. He did not know a lot at this point. He didn't know he would be stopped. He didn't know a lot. Once Eren gets the Founder's power, time is a complete circle. We can call this Eren "Master Eren." There is no paradox. Master Eren did a couple of key things that he understood needed to happen in order for those exact memories to occur, all set by the decisions and order of events that naturally accompany Eren's judgments, emotions, and insecurities/flaws. We have a couple of confirmed cases of what Master Eren specifically orchestrated: He chose the memories that would be cycled through his father to younger Eren. He controlled Dina Fritz to ignore Berthold and kill his mom, allowing Eren to eventually come back to where he is now. Talked to Armin, Jean, Connie, and Annie, then erased those memories and only allowed memorization to come back after he died. Obviously, announced the rumbling. Talked to everyone on the ship on the way to the final battle. He concocted a made-up timeline (more of a dream with the Founder's power, I think) with Mikasa. He then shared this memory with Mikasa, then cleared the memory temporarily. Ackermans can't have their memory wiped, so my speculation is he simply used Ymir's power to override this (this power, after all, was from Ymir so that Ackermans would be persecuted, Mikasa would live on the outskirts, be captured, and have Eren save her after all). He sent memories back to Episode 1 Eren (the opening nightmare sequence shows his mom being eaten and Willy Tybur's family). He erased memories of his father turning him into a titan and eating him (!!!). Making Historia's father not become the Founder. Seeing Grisha's memories after uncovering the basement. I could think of more if I thought about it... These are all confirmed, but I speculate Isayama intended us to use this information (specifically, that's the reason he wrote Eren's part about Dina Fritz's titan in the end) to understand there were many other cases of this happening, including: Future Eren showing kid Eren the memory of how to kill the people who abducted Mikasa (that was psychotic; it had to be future Eren). Eating the hardening ability capsule in Reiss' cave. Eren turning into the Attack Titan after Reiner reveals being the Armored Titan, going from crying to anger due to a convenient selection of memories (hmm). He compels himself to fight Armin and Mikasa to distance himself from them so that they would kill him after the rumbling and become heroes. Eren was obviously going insane at that point, but he had to have been manipulating himself during that time to emotionally handle it (high speculation, but it makes the most sense to me). He was also just going crazy in general, so maybe this is not needed. Watch the show again and see if you can see anything else! (Hint: Look for the bell flower/purple flower and look at how Eren's eyes change in color). That being said, Eren is not the only one "sending memories back." Ymir is as well, though when Ymir and Master Eren do it, it's at the same time because time is a complete circle. Ymir obviously gives this memory power to all Attack Titan users. She controls the Ackermans so that one day she can see the motivation she needs to dissolve her feelings for King Fritz. She also connects all of her descendants through the paths. She is also likely the one that shows the other Ymir the vision of the paths. One thing about that though, ymir does not use these powers until eren himself wakes her up, she is a slave for 2000 years in her own time, and she works through all of that. I'll also say that Eren does try to change things. He tries to save Sasha, which is why he asks if her last words were different from what he saw in younger Eren (before Historia). But they don't work, and Eren goes crazy and laughs at the cycle he appears to be in.
@@Matty-pn9fy But there is a paradox, because for time to go circle, the Master Eren has to complete a timeline that is different than what we see with our eren. For example, if the master eren's encouragement was needed for grisha to get the founding, or bertholt being saved, for the completion of the timeline to eren getting the doomsday titan form, then how did the master eren get it?. Understand that the attack titan's ability include two things, 1 which is common in all titans, to inherit the memories of previous owners, and 2nd to SEE the memories of the future. The ability to change memories or interact with people is of founding titan. This distinction is very crucial. Kruger knew about armin and mikasa because the "Master Eren" sent it to them and from the anime we can determine that eren was only capable of talking and interacting with other memories after he got into paths, while having founding titan and zeke's contact (royal contact in other words). So before the circular timeline, if the master eren's manipulation is needed, there was no Master eren for the Master eren to complete his timeline and get the founding titan. Grisha would've never attacked. Bertholt would've died. Ymir couldnt do anything as she exercised her will after eren talked to her. So to clarify again. The paradox is, for the timeline to go circular, the initial timeline, a.k.a the timeline of the Master Eren, needs to be completed. And if that is the case and all the changes that the Master Eren did that you described, if that is needed for our eren to reach the rumbling, then they are also needed for the Master Eren to reach that position. How did the Master Eren reach it?
*“I see a legion of titans marching across the earth like unquenchable fire! A restorationist movement waving the Wings of Freedom in my name! Fanatical Eldians worshipping at the grave of my own skull! A war in my name! Everyone raising their fist in my name!”*
@@grayson853 The original quote is from Dune Part I, where the song in this video is taken from. I would advise not searching for the scene, and watching the movie instead as it is a big spoiler.
I think a common misconception is that eren saw his whole future (which isn’t the case) and all the events leading up into the rumbling. But he specifically states that the only memories he saw of the future were the same memories his future self allowed his father to see. Confusing but your edit is probably the most accurate to what eren experienced when he kissed Historias hand. Gave me chills watching it.
The fact that he also laughed and cried in the Season 2 finale, when he and Mikasa almost got killed by the smiling Titan. He first laughed and the started to cry. It was an emotional reaction to everything that happened. So it is with Sasha's death as well. He first laughed and then began to cry too.
Man I wish I could rewatch Aot 1-3 for the first time again. Aot was the first and only anime I actually sat down and cared to watch. Most intriguing plots for me next to breaking bad, no show or movie had me confused and wanting to know what will happen so badly more than Aot.
“I’ll kill them all. Every last one of them.” From the moment he says that in the second episode and every time afterward I get chills when I rewatch the series.
Well done! The heartbeat, score, the varying images in no parricular order... This really makes sense. This is how I imagined but could never so eloquently put together what Eren saw the day he kissed Historia's hand.
This should had been a scene in the final chapter, this edit is amazing and really powerful, gives a lot of perspective of what Eren had to endure to end the way he did.
imo it was set up well enough. There was still enough mystery that made it just intriguing enough as to what the fuck is happening with eren that being said this is incredible work
no matter how many times I rewatch the scene and how many edits of it I see, everytime I see the face he makes and everyone's reaction, it gives me goosebumps
Saw Dune Part 2 and thought of this video. There are definitely some similarities between Eren and Paul, the song choice for this edit is such a nice parallel!
Excellent use of Dune’s soundtrack. I’ve always thought of the latter half of AOT to be heavily influenced by the story of Paul Atreides. Glad this exists.
Only thing that bothers me is He just accepted all this and kept following this future.. We didn't actually see him trying to resist these events from happening.. future is made from present.. he could've changed this with his present decisions and choices but he let the destiny run on it's own..
He actually tried more than once, the most distinct one is when you see him ask mikasa about their relation. But mikasa confirmed him that whatever he do even though he goes against his will, future as already been decided
@@eezzyfeezycash978 I was talking about actual actions, not just confirming something by asking Mikasa or Connie on Sasha's death.. Poor kid got lost in those memories.. then founding titan messed him up even more.. If writer would've shown him really trying his hardest to oppose the future that would've been sufficient for me
Because at that moment he realised that every other outcome would lead to the death of his friends, he said it himself, he cares for them more than anything. When he touched Hystoria's hand he not only realised what his future self allowed him to see, he understood why his future self had to do what was to come and what happened before, to save those he loved most and to break the cycle of hatred that would NEVER otherwise disappear (and/or to fulfill the will of Ymir). This is why he was so devastated after their visit to Marley with the survey corp, at that point he saw that hatred was never coming to end and the worst part is, he already knew that. Same reason he almost went insane when Sasha died, her last words confirming that he is a slave to himself therefore he is physically and mentally unable to do things differently as his future and final self already set the gears in motion.
@@kartikeytyagi2330exactly, a lot of people use Sasha last words and Mikasa words as ways of him "trying" but that's just him checking, which is weird because they never showed him trying to change anything.. so what's the point of checking? I think he was never shown trying to change the future because he never actually did try. I think the future isn't actually "deterministic" in AoT like everyone says, it's just Eren being so adamant to see the Rumbling that he forces a single outcome onto himself; his future is self-deterministic by sheer force. I believe if someone else had the founders powers, were in Eren's place, they'd be able to change the future and not be tied down. This also lines up logically since Eren is theoretically a bootstrap-paradox. If Eren created himself, who originally created Eren and allowed him to create himself..? I think naturally he got the powers through fate, but then imposed his own ideals onto fate and ensured he always ended up with the founder. He's essentially a self-causing paradox who can't change the future because deep down he doesn't want to change the future.
Yes, finally someone that got this right, Eren only saw what Grisha saw from future that future Eren allowed Grisha to see. The Attack Titan power is to send memories back to the past and future Eren couldn't send to Eren himself any memory, only through Grisha or other past Attack Titan past inheritor it was possible, so Eren just basically saw what Grisha saw after killing Reiss family and the Rumbling, all the rest he was just confident that if he went along that would be the result no matter what he thought about it, things would just unfold naturally even if he didn't know most of the details. Why so many people get this wrong? It is clear for anyone to see at least that Eren was just going along and was far from knowing details, he just knew the end result and saw how Grisha killed the Reiss family and Grisha saying to Zeke to try to stop him. But nothing could stop Eren, nothing.
Yes exactly! This is a misconception that he saw everything in future. He didn't, he only saw certain parts of it and he got to those parts through his own actions.
So basically he saw what he assumed at the time is the bad ending(the rumbling) but not the events that lead up to it. Because of this he tried to change said fate not knowing that the exact actions he took in trying to change the bad end is what leads to the bad end to begin with
@@garytaylor8193 No, I mean... There is only one possible timeline, sometimes Eren tried to diverge from that, others he was just facing and contemplating how he was born like that and no matter what things would end like that because that was just how the world and how he was matched in that particular way. Just like real world.
This is the closest I've seen. The only thing I THINK (Keyword THINK because it might be wrong) could be added is eren saying that he doesn't know what mikasa will do but that the titan curse would come to an end, there a contradictions to this that exist, it would make perfect sense to tell this to historia during their argument in dawn of humanity and it hadn't been revealed in the anime yet, but I'd say that's the only thing that could POTENTIALLY be added, either way this edit is soooo good I loved it, thanks you for making it, it will be very helpful to me.
The editing, choice of music, everything about this is brilliant. I would’ve loved to hear a cosmic horror-esque score with this moment on the actual show, just so the audience can be like “Wait wtf did he just see?!”
@@killwill5965 Yup, I have a theory that Eren isn't actually dead now he's just in the paths and took Ymirs place as the Founder since he was the last person with the founder before dying and we saw Ymir fully pass/freed when she shows herself one last time to Mikasa. So, using the founder powers he put an end to the titans as he "died" but I believe the paths are still open and all Eldians are still connected via them so Eren can live through them when he wants like Ymir could. Ymir could actually watch more than just Eldians seeing as how she was in Mikasa's head, so Eren can probably do the same now. We don't even know the true extent of the true founder powers.
@@killwill5965 A lot of people think the kid finding the tree is meant to imply that the power of the titans is back in the world. I think of it as showing how the cycle of war will never end in life. So that kid in the epilogue is more than the attack titan. That kid is the founding titan.
When I finished the Attack on Titan manga I loved it even more because I realized the Managaka just tricked everyone into essentially reading a Gundam series. Gundam is all about the horrors of war and how either side can be justified in their own way. There are a ton of similar themes in both. Anyone of you that enjoyed AoT try a Gundam series they're great! If you can't be bothered to start from the beginning but you just want to get the themes you can get away with watching War in the Pocket and the 08th MS Team both are great spin offs that get the point across. Otherwise the original series is a lot better than you might think it is, double Zeta sucks though I'm still stuck on that shit.
i really like that you ised the dune sountrack for this. i have thought for a bit now that Eren is similar to Paul and Leto II. certainly not as deep as them for sure. but a nice introduction to characters who lose their minds kr humanity to seeing time
Finally someone that agrees that Eren saw Sasha's death at that moment. Thats why he asked Connie for her last words; he saw that Sasha said meat when she died. When he asked Connie about it, he wanted to see if the future he saw was deviated or still the same, hence the crying/laughing reaction when it was confirmed that nothing was changed.
Jesus man, you’re right. Even after its finished, there’s still stuff to pick up on.
Holy shit.. that's disturbing
I thought the same exact thing, and I think the reason why he laughed and cry was bc he was also thinking that, no matter what, the future that he saw won’t change. Bc of this I also think that he pities himself.
The more one tries to change the prophecy, the more true it becomes.
@@dannyzero692 they don't become more true the more you try, they are always true from the beginning that is what makes them prophecies. It just so happens that your reaction to knowing the prophecy is part of the cause for it but that is obvious since otherwise it could never hold true.
I can't even blame Eren for going insane after this. If I saw myself ending the world, I'd probably have the same reaction.
by ending the world?
@@MrTheodore15 He foresaw an outcome that would play out, no matter how much he tried steer it off course. At that point, I can't really blame him for just giving into his fate.
@@ArchivedGeo yeah its either the eldians or the World OUTSIDE
@@ArchivedGeo AOT is the only other story I've seen and read to ever touch upon war like this. The reality that wars will always break out because there is an enemy to fight and warfare is simply a means of negotiation between states. Since war is one thing that can never be avoided, the best thing one can do is to protect what's right in front of them, which Eren did.
Eren was not able to secure a future in which war and hatred was absent, but he did secure a future peaceful enough for his friends to live in.
I understand people who say that what Eren did was morally wrong, but then again, was there really any other option?
He saw his entire life, stuff he didn't agree with, stuff he hated seeing, like egging his dad on to jumpstart all of this, telling Mikasa he hates her guts, and activating the Rumbling to destroy the world. All this and the knowledge you can't change a damn thing about it. In all honesty the fact that he didn't just go fucking wacko after that is a testament to how strong willed he is.
To be obsessed with freedom your whole life, only to find out you're just a foil for a 9 year old girl's plan from 2000 years ago must be just about the most soul crushing thing ever.
@@adsafgasgasdfasdfYou’re 12.
its even crazier when you remember the title of the first episode
@@kahamshabruuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh
Ymir didn't plan anything
what happened in the story was what eren wanted to happen, he said it already, he wanted this to happen, he is a mentally ill mass murderer, he wanted to use the power he got to do what he wanted, to the point of giving himself the power, it's hard to understand eren's character tbh but everything happened as he willed it
Ymir only waited for someone to save her and free her
@@Omar-um4nn I disagree, given his last minute mental breakdown with Armin, him apologising profusely to Ramsey, him begging Hanjie to give him a different solution to the one he's found himself in. This is why Eren's story is such a tragedy, because any other decision besides the one he makes, would lead to the utter destruction of his island and the death of his friends. His fate was Imposed on him.
Really love this rendition, you didn’t simply just piece together the different clips as other people have done you actually made it seem like it was mysterious, haunting and confusing for Eren to witness. The heartbeat was an amazing touch.
Not only that but both future and past are so connected in that moment that he can hardly tell which time is connected to each timeline he sees. Everything is overflowing so he can't comphrened everything but can probably only tell certain things apart. Like the rumbling, how he eventually dies etc. He doesn't specifically know when or how anything happens. really well done
I like that he used music from Dune as well a series people destroy themselves and the world around them to prevent the future they saw, and their own “Terrible Purpose” as it’s phrased in the book.
True art
It felt like an actual scene from the show.
Same. It wasn’t just a highlight reel
One of the scariest, most accurate, most well made edits ive ever seen of any series i have ever enjoyed. Well done holy shit dude. WELL DESERVED SUB
There are some others that are insane as well and well made too, but only this one is accurate with all the rest of the story, showing what Eren knew, because for most part Eren didn't know at that time the details, he just saw a bunch of mind-blowing end results and what Grisha did to the Reiss family and felt it like it was him doing it.
Can only agree 👍
thank you!!!
It's a reallly good edit and it's mostly catered towards viewers. However, this video implies that Eren's visions are basically wild lucid dreams, whoch is definitely not the case. He didn't see everything, but what he saw appeared very clear to him.
@@baggelissonic True! But this is almost there, quite good. It is still very rare that someone gets this part of the story slightly right and this is pretty much there. Like you you said, really good edit :)
Considering Eren Just saw the literal apocalypse, his own death by the hand of his lover, mentally destroying his own fsther, cause his mother to die and so many of his friends being hurt in the process and because of him!
Its a miracle he didn’t just collapse on the floor or started screaming.
Eren may be a prick sometimes but he's tough as f.
Reiner returned home traumatized and almost comitted suicide. Annie's cold personality was her way to withstand so much pain, suffering and anger (she was akin to Mikasa, who loved showing emotion through action).
Berthold suffered a lot just like Armin.
Eren ironically was one of the few who got his s together.
Him and Sasha of course
He doesn’t actually see himself die tho right? He told armin he doesn’t know how it ends, but that mikasa is the savior cus ymir told him
People who haven’t finished the show yet👁️👄👁️
@@ethanscanlon9103 shouldnt be watching these videos if you havent finished it then
Forreal. He held it together surprisingly well in that moment. I think mostly due to shock.
I thought this was gonna be a meme but holy shit..man. this was SOOOOO well made. Great job man.
Me too. A sexy meme.
Using the Dune soundtrack was an excellent touch, great job!! You truly captured the cosmic-horror aspect of AoT with this edit.
While the music does fit it’s truly great choice because Aot is clearly inspired by Dune. Erens journey is very similar to Paul’s.
Was about to comment the same thing.
You sure you don’t mean his son Leto II? God emperor? Tyrant and follower of the golden path when his father couldn’t do it?? Yeah I’d say it’s an almost perfect parallel but to Leto not to Paul.
This is also why I think Erin did what he did to SAVE humanity, by nearly ending it, just like Leto, they also have the ability to see through time and the golden path is the one single possible future that leads to the peace, cooperation and ultimately evolution of the human race, a single common enemy, a wold ending threat, a devil.
Erins horror in this scene and at the beach is the realization that this is what it takes, he’s crying inside for the billions of lives.. and after the beach his eyes look dead for the rest of the series because he has decided to become the devil, to save the world
@@DrJohnnyApocolypse I get what you mean, I also agree that there are parallels to Leto II, but I think Eren does share some aspects with Paul as well.
From the beginning of the book, Paul has dreams of the jihad and calls it his feeling of terrible purpose. Throughout the whole novel Paul tries to change little things in hopes of avoiding his terrible purpose, to ultimately fail. In DUNE Messiah Paul explains that he could have avoided the Jihad in numerous ways, however, all of these ways would have lead to the eventual death of his house. So, ultimately Paul could not avoid the jihad, cause he could not let go of his desire to restore House Atreides, and the only futures in which that was possible included the jihad. Paul saw the Golden Path as well, but thought it too horrible to commit to.
That's when Leto comes in, who forfeits his humanity and almost all attachments to become this "perfect predator" for humanity.
Eren had a vision of the rumbling and did not like what he saw. He tried to change small things, but it had no effect. And in his conversation with Armin he explains why, "I am a slave to freedom". Eren could not let go off his twisted version of freedom, and the one future where he could attain it was the rumbling one.
That's when he creates his plan to have the others stop him, and thus create peace. However, I think the important difference between Eren and Leto II are, that Eren wasn't willing / able to cut all his attachments and strings.
So IMO, Eren starts out as Paul and eventually turns into a Paul-Leto mixture.
@@marquistf1996THE GOLDEN PATH
I believe Eren saw much more than this. He saw all the things to come in his and his friend's lifetime (the events in the anime) but also the full future and past of the world as experienced by the paths. So he saw the immense amount of time pass just like we did in the series' end credits. This would have made him extremely numb, and made it easier for him to accept all the horrendous things to come in the short term.
I would understand him seeing the past but i thought the paths dimension and the connection to ymir was severed when mikasa set her free
Edit: *as to say eren couldnt see the future
Eren did not see the whole past or future. He only saw the memories his future self gave to Grisha via the attack titan’s power. Eren didn’t see the entire future until he activated the rumbling.
No, there is very hard evidence suggesting he never saw anything beyond himself above the clouds when he kissed Historia’s hand.
Eren saw the specific memories that Grisha was sent from Future Eren. As Eren says “I saw my own future through my father’s memories”. It was only after achieving the full powers of the founding titan that Eren started to experience past present and future simultaneously.
@@RaffyDGoatthe ability to see future memories should be one of the powers of the attack titan, not the founding titan, so theoretically he could have been able to see those memories also before activating the founding titan full powers, am I wrong?
@@GianlucOne88tbh i dont wven think the attack titan has that power.
if they did then grisha would have seen his future, but he only saw what eren wanted him to see and he went crazy
the way i saw it was that the “future” was just erens memories that he sent to the previous attack titans
That face he makes after what he just witnessed always haunts me to this day.
Because it's the expression of being truly terrified and have no way out.
its finding out the future, and having no way to change it.
This is only the second one of these that actually shows what Eren would have seen. Brief visions of his future, through his father’s memories that older Eren sent him, and not just everything like many think.
The Dune music is also a great addition.
So World Ender Eren sent memories of the future to his father?
With Eren it doesn't really matter whether his future self shows him everything or just bits. He can't leave the path he's on, cause it's already determined and put him where his future self made those choices in the first place. It's literally set in stone and he CAN'T change it anymore. He can just play his role.
So withholding anything from him wouldn't gain his future self anything. He has no options.
Eren knew all the spoilers of AOT at this point, including the fact that he himself is the director.😂
And didn t spoil respect same with Floch that Eren told his plan and didn t spoil he probably didn t tell everything tough
Ymir is the director
@@diogomarques9228He said he will destroy whole world outside walls for him. And he was going to destroy even prandis just to force Mikasa to kill him.
@@boredshrimp9425Not exacly. All sended memories was selected by Eren.
This is actually terrifying if you think about it. Imagine knowing what will happen every single day going forward, while vividly remembering every single day before, not only of his life, but every single attack and founder titans before him throughout history. Knowing everything that happened and everything that will still happen until the day of his own death, at the same time, while learning that he is truly a slave to fate, he was never free to begin with.
That’s also a callback to Kenny’s speech. “We’re all a slave to something”. Eren was a slave to freedom, at the cost of his own life, and everyone else’s as well
@@darrelld8578 in a way, they all attained freedom in various forms. Eren earned it through death, Mikasa earned it through the loss of the person she was obsessively in love with, Armin earned it through embracing his leadership skills and Levi in a way earned his piece by actually being incapacitated
I think as well on the horror of knowing that the person he is in love with, is predestined to kill him. Mikasa was his soul's resonance to love, his vision of the man he could have been, his connection to his humanity. His motivation to enforce peace by becoming the devil himself, was certainly not just his slavery to freedom, but also his self-sacrifice to create a future where his beloved had a chance to lay down her arms and live a simple peaceful life.
@@darrelld8578 everyone is a slave to freedom
This is the moment when Eren's personality begins to change, and he starts to lose his smile.
his personality doesn't change, his perspective does, he loses his free will in learning the future, it crushes him because optimism literally cannot exist when you know the predetermined outcome, he would never be free, he would do these things, then he would die, there was nothing else.
@@keithfilibeck2390 and the new perspective caused a change in his personality.
And if he can’t have a normal life without titans and living in a world where humanity doesn’t care for the planet or themselves then he’ll show them how WRONG they really were
Eren was an angry, genocidal butthole from the start. He only stopped acting like he was helpless.
It isn't a personality change.
I like to think he didn't see why he'd start the rumbling only that he would. This to me would be extremely tragic if we assume he was trying to avoid that future, so everything we saw him do leading up to the rumbling would be entirely pointless. Eren was never going to be able to avoid starting the rumbling no matter how hard he tried and so he was always destined to be the Devil from Paradise.
This is interesting because his actions towards his friends would make sense as he pushed them away so they would fight him once the rumbling started and that he knew he couldn’t prevent the rumbling and therefore he’d inspire them to fight back against him.
Eren is tragic. His entire purpose was being the final attack titan to free ymir from King Fritz. Before he was born it was decided that he would be that as we see with Kruger having his memories. I'd like to think if Eren REALLY REALLY wanted to, he could have changed the future. But, since the choice he had was Marley committing mass genocide where his loved ones would die, or him committing mass genocide where his loved ones would live, it makes sense why he did just see what he would do with those choices. He tried to stop it but he just couldn't. It's so sad, I would never imagine back when the first season was airing that it was a warm up for how dark the story really is.
It’s not that Eren could not have avoided the Rumbling, but he infact wanted rumbling . This scene shows the choices Eren actively makes, which as a result, the rumbling occurs. So at the end of the day, Eren chose this fate.
Thing is he fight want to avoid it. It was his choice
He tried his hardest, that’s why he asked for Sasha’s last words, to check if what he did changed the future. That’s why he laughed afterwards, a laugh of craziness, helplessness.
I can’t believe this has only 100k, it’s so well-made I thought it was done by a huge channel. What a gem
very kind words, thank you
I had never made the connection with Eren’s future memory ability and Paul Atreides’ Prescience. I know it’s probably not an intentional parallel on Yams part, but I still think the similarities between the two characters is very interesting.
Given how famous DUNE is, I'd be more surprised if it wasn't something that inspired Isayama.
@@121ATV True.
There is a lot of paralles betwen Dune and AoT. The ancient memories and cycle of hated/history etc...
I honestly didn't realize they had similarities until I read your comments just now. But in terms of world building and delivery of the story I prefer AoT's. I would still let it cook tho, I thoroughly enjoyed Dune movie and I prefer watching than to read. However, I didn't get the same feelings that I felt the first time watching first season of AoT from watching Dune. (I didn't read AoT manga because watching all the events happening is so much better than just reading it and from watching the final episode last week I have no regrets. It's just a preference) So at this point I wouldn't say they're on par right now, they might have similarities but they're not on the same level for me. The movie might not be as good as the books but that's on them not the audience's fault.
@@mikicho-2-matte336 read the Books, specially to the forth (after it is kinda oppcional). There is so much themes and scenes that weren't and couldn't be addapted, and God Emperor of Dune is absolute masterpiece and is incredible difficult to be addapted.
Having just watched the whole show twice in the past couple months, this video just gave me chills it is so accurate. As awful as what Eren did, I still can't help but feel bad for him for what he went through all those years internally and externally. AoT is easily one of the best 5 shows I have ever seen, not just animated shows, all shows. Well done.
This is GOD TIER well made.
Poor Eren, he knows all of those things that will happen and can't prevent any of them from happening
Why bro why can't he prevent ?
because he can see the future but he cannot change it
@@Akiiraa1302 I think he could, he chose to just go with it. Why wouldn't people be able to make their own decisions?
no, he really could not he said that himself when he was with armin. he tried so many times but nothing changed @@atgmai
@@atgmai the destiny can't be changed, the fact of you trying to change it is part of the destiny, you not trying to change it is also part of it, doesn't matter what you do. Poor Eren
I’ve argued HEAVILY with some of my friends who would rather be told absolutely everything instead of being left to wonder or speculate on moments like these. I should show them this vid, bc without ambiguity (with some certainty and confirmation sprinkled throughout season 4) you don’t get thought tangents like this and amazing edits like these. Well fucking done this is incredible
Honestly theres SO much I love sbout the AoT narritive but one of the most fascinating is Eren causing the Rumbling. A lot of people say "I feel bad because he saw the horrors but couldn't change it..." or, "How did he not go insane knowing what was going to happen..etc." but I think Eren, and as a result, the future he saw, is much more complex than that. Yes the Rumbling wasn't something he wanted to do, but it was something he wanted to happen, if that makes sense. When Eren apologized to Ramzi, he apologized not just for what he was going to do, but also because he wanted to do it and felt guilty for that desire. Yes, Eren was a slave to freedom, but really he was a slave to himself. His entire life he was incapable of change, so much so thay he created a paradox to manipulate his own past so he turns out the way he does. I think it's the sheer determination and resolve that he has that actually forced the timeline to have only one ending up until his death. He saw the Rumbling because that's what he wanted, and because that's the outcome he saw, that's the outcome he stuck to. He essentially forced himself into a deterministic path because that's what he wanted to happen, and it's what he wanted to believe was the only option. I truly believe that if it were someone other than Eren who could see the future, that said-person would've actually had choices, they would have seen a multitude of futures rather than just one. However, it was always going to be Eren in that position because he put himself in that postion, paradoxing himself and creating an endless loop of one-outcome. I think his death actually freed up the timeline and ironically gave people the freedom of choice and decision over their own fates.
I think it’s Reiner who keeps saying that Eren is the worst possible person to have the founding titan powers, and based on your analysis I think he was right. Sheer determination and resolve are beneficial when executing a plan, but not when making a choice. He has tunnel vision throughout the whole show, and I cannot imagine a worse quality for a decision-maker than that.
This is the most accurate what eren really saw video, nice work
Fuck man this doesn’t even seem fan made. Incredibly well made truly good job on this
Certified Lisan al’gahib moment
This is incredible, I get why they didn't add this to spoil literally the rest of the show and I'm glad they didn't, but this is cool to see after finishing everything.
They definitely should've done a flashback scene like this showing Eren kissing Historia's hand and seeing all of this in the last episode.
This just gave me a geekgasm. My god people don’t understand why using Dunes soundtrack is so perfect here. Aot IS Dune! Isoyama was CLEARLY inspired by the character of Paul and his prescience. I love this so much!
thank you!! if you’re interested in other stories isayama was inspired by, check out the eternal champion and muv luv. they are very, very similar
@@killwill5965 thank you for the recommendations. So glad to meet another fan.
Where has Isayama ever said that he was inspired by Frank Herbert’s Dune? I am pretty sure if there are any similarities between them, it is either accidental or coincidental
@@jimmyfaulkner1855 dune is the biggest sci-fi novel EVER. Literally it’s influence is everywhere. Some of the similarities include a character able to see the future, being connected to ancestors, themes of power and despotism, genocide, prophetic dreams, giant fearsome man eating monsters, government conspiracies etc…
@@marquistf1996 Just because it is popular doesn’t mean that it automatically or logically follows that Isayama was directly inspired by Dune. You also have to remember that Isayama is Japanese and Dune might not have the same level of popularity over there as it does in the USA. Also, those supposed similarities are not proof that there is a direct inspiration. Correlation does not 🟰 causation. Unless Isayama has revealed that he knows of Dune, is a fan of it, or was directly inspired by it, I don’t think it is going to be enough to demonstrate that AOT was inspired by Herbert’s Dune.
Alright, what he really, Really, REALLY saw was Grisha's Future Memories that Eren gave him through the Attack Titan. Some memories include him activating the Rumbling and making his father kill Frieda. These we know for sure, but any other memories he saw are left to the reader (or viewer) to interpret. Did Eren know Sasha would die? We don't know. Eren retroactively handpicked the memories he would send to Grisha after he obtained the full power of the Founder, which coincidentally is when he knew he would fail (he did not know until that moment), creating the deterministic universe AoT is set in. It's a 'chicken or the egg' situation.
i agree. i made sure not to really include anything past ch131 for this reason
I still can't fully understand this time paradox thing, help!
He knew that Sasha would die. He tried to change the things up, but when he asked Connie about her last words, he realized that everything was going to be exactly the same, no matter how hard he tried to made them different.
@@rearviewmirror03 It's confusing because we think of time as linear, but think about it this way: There are two different "sources" of future memories-ones that Eren gets through his father and ones he sends himself once he gets the Founder's power. Of course, Eren had to handpick the memories that he sent through his father to avoid a couple of problems, such as his father knowing Eren's mom would die and that... Eren was the cause of that, lol. But he still had to show memories that a younger Eren (just before Historia kissed his hand) would need to be pushed towards the future. He did not know a lot at this point. He didn't know he would be stopped. He didn't know a lot.
Once Eren gets the Founder's power, time is a complete circle. We can call this Eren "Master Eren." There is no paradox. Master Eren did a couple of key things that he understood needed to happen in order for those exact memories to occur, all set by the decisions and order of events that naturally accompany Eren's judgments, emotions, and insecurities/flaws. We have a couple of confirmed cases of what Master Eren specifically orchestrated:
He chose the memories that would be cycled through his father to younger Eren.
He controlled Dina Fritz to ignore Berthold and kill his mom, allowing Eren to eventually come back to where he is now.
Talked to Armin, Jean, Connie, and Annie, then erased those memories and only allowed memorization to come back after he died.
Obviously, announced the rumbling.
Talked to everyone on the ship on the way to the final battle.
He concocted a made-up timeline (more of a dream with the Founder's power, I think) with Mikasa. He then shared this memory with Mikasa, then cleared the memory temporarily. Ackermans can't have their memory wiped, so my speculation is he simply used Ymir's power to override this (this power, after all, was from Ymir so that Ackermans would be persecuted, Mikasa would live on the outskirts, be captured, and have Eren save her after all).
He sent memories back to Episode 1 Eren (the opening nightmare sequence shows his mom being eaten and Willy Tybur's family).
He erased memories of his father turning him into a titan and eating him (!!!).
Making Historia's father not become the Founder.
Seeing Grisha's memories after uncovering the basement. I could think of more if I thought about it...
These are all confirmed, but I speculate Isayama intended us to use this information (specifically, that's the reason he wrote Eren's part about Dina Fritz's titan in the end) to understand there were many other cases of this happening, including:
Future Eren showing kid Eren the memory of how to kill the people who abducted Mikasa (that was psychotic; it had to be future Eren).
Eating the hardening ability capsule in Reiss' cave.
Eren turning into the Attack Titan after Reiner reveals being the Armored Titan, going from crying to anger due to a convenient selection of memories (hmm).
He compels himself to fight Armin and Mikasa to distance himself from them so that they would kill him after the rumbling and become heroes. Eren was obviously going insane at that point, but he had to have been manipulating himself during that time to emotionally handle it (high speculation, but it makes the most sense to me). He was also just going crazy in general, so maybe this is not needed.
Watch the show again and see if you can see anything else! (Hint: Look for the bell flower/purple flower and look at how Eren's eyes change in color).
That being said, Eren is not the only one "sending memories back." Ymir is as well, though when Ymir and Master Eren do it, it's at the same time because time is a complete circle. Ymir obviously gives this memory power to all Attack Titan users. She controls the Ackermans so that one day she can see the motivation she needs to dissolve her feelings for King Fritz. She also connects all of her descendants through the paths. She is also likely the one that shows the other Ymir the vision of the paths. One thing about that though, ymir does not use these powers until eren himself wakes her up, she is a slave for 2000 years in her own time, and she works through all of that.
I'll also say that Eren does try to change things. He tries to save Sasha, which is why he asks if her last words were different from what he saw in younger Eren (before Historia). But they don't work, and Eren goes crazy and laughs at the cycle he appears to be in.
@@Matty-pn9fy But there is a paradox, because for time to go circle, the Master Eren has to complete a timeline that is different than what we see with our eren. For example, if the master eren's encouragement was needed for grisha to get the founding, or bertholt being saved, for the completion of the timeline to eren getting the doomsday titan form, then how did the master eren get it?. Understand that the attack titan's ability include two things, 1 which is common in all titans, to inherit the memories of previous owners, and 2nd to SEE the memories of the future. The ability to change memories or interact with people is of founding titan. This distinction is very crucial. Kruger knew about armin and mikasa because the "Master Eren" sent it to them and from the anime we can determine that eren was only capable of talking and interacting with other memories after he got into paths, while having founding titan and zeke's contact (royal contact in other words). So before the circular timeline, if the master eren's manipulation is needed, there was no Master eren for the Master eren to complete his timeline and get the founding titan. Grisha would've never attacked. Bertholt would've died. Ymir couldnt do anything as she exercised her will after eren talked to her.
So to clarify again. The paradox is, for the timeline to go circular, the initial timeline, a.k.a the timeline of the Master Eren, needs to be completed. And if that is the case and all the changes that the Master Eren did that you described, if that is needed for our eren to reach the rumbling, then they are also needed for the Master Eren to reach that position. How did the Master Eren reach it?
He actually saw so many ads
Unskippable
*“I see a legion of titans marching across the earth like unquenchable fire! A restorationist movement waving the Wings of Freedom in my name! Fanatical Eldians worshipping at the grave of my own skull! A war in my name! Everyone raising their fist in my name!”*
where is this from
@@grayson853 The original quote is from Dune Part I, where the song in this video is taken from. I would advise not searching for the scene, and watching the movie instead as it is a big spoiler.
@@CuttingEdges word thjanks for the quick reply bro
Coolest thing I ever read
Just to let you know, I'm rewatching this because it is so good. 😊 👍
Same
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I think a common misconception is that eren saw his whole future (which isn’t the case) and all the events leading up into the rumbling. But he specifically states that the only memories he saw of the future were the same memories his future self allowed his father to see. Confusing but your edit is probably the most accurate to what eren experienced when he kissed Historias hand. Gave me chills watching it.
The fact that he also laughed and cried in the Season 2 finale, when he and Mikasa almost got killed by the smiling Titan. He first laughed and the started to cry. It was an emotional reaction to everything that happened.
So it is with Sasha's death as well. He first laughed and then began to cry too.
When I clicked on this I 100% expected it to be a shitpost
Man I wish I could rewatch Aot 1-3 for the first time again. Aot was the first and only anime I actually sat down and cared to watch. Most intriguing plots for me next to breaking bad, no show or movie had me confused and wanting to know what will happen so badly more than Aot.
Damn! This honestly could be included in the main series, amazing job dude
This is really fucking good dude, well done, bravo!
I will never forget you Eren
The Dune music and sound effects really fit this super well, nice touch
“I’ll kill them all. Every last one of them.” From the moment he says that in the second episode and every time afterward I get chills when I rewatch the series.
Well done! The heartbeat, score, the varying images in no parricular order... This really makes sense. This is how I imagined but could never so eloquently put together what Eren saw the day he kissed Historia's hand.
This is the BEST edit i've seen by Far, that's EXACTLY how i imagine this moment
The edit is insane. WELL DONE.
Reminded me of how the game Prototype depicts showing memories of other people.
Imagine seeing everything up until your death at once
His face at 2:05 is basically what Ymir's expression is.
Easily the best 121 edit I've seen so far, it's a shame only 10k people watched this. Congrats 🎉
Лучшей нарезки Атаки Титанов я ещё не видел. Эпичные и важные лор сцены, музыка из Дюны. Идеально.
This should had been a scene in the final chapter, this edit is amazing and really powerful, gives a lot of perspective of what Eren had to endure to end the way he did.
imo it was set up well enough. There was still enough mystery that made it just intriguing enough as to what the fuck is happening with eren
that being said this is incredible work
Extraordinary edit mate. Bravo.
no matter how many times I rewatch the scene and how many edits of it I see, everytime I see the face he makes and everyone's reaction, it gives me goosebumps
This was so amazingly edited wtf
Yeah i think it‘s time for me to rewatch this masterpiece of an anime.
i made one of these a while back but i really love your take on it with *all* the clips and the music
THHHAAAAAANKSSSS BRO THIS IS HOW IT DOES, IM SO GLAD TO SOMEBODY REALLY UNDERSTOOD IT AND MADE A VIDEO ABOUT IT
Holy Molly, Hans Zimmer's Dune soundtrack + SNK = perfection
I actually got chills, ur a good ass editor my dude
Deserves more views dude! Great edit!
those drums and bright flashing lights gave me sleep paralysis vibes
Saw Dune Part 2 and thought of this video. There are definitely some similarities between Eren and Paul, the song choice for this edit is such a nice parallel!
That was insanelly well edited. Congrats!
Excellent use of Dune’s soundtrack. I’ve always thought of the latter half of AOT to be heavily influenced by the story of Paul Atreides. Glad this exists.
Only thing that bothers me is He just accepted all this and kept following this future.. We didn't actually see him trying to resist these events from happening.. future is made from present.. he could've changed this with his present decisions and choices but he let the destiny run on it's own..
He actually tried more than once, the most distinct one is when you see him ask mikasa about their relation. But mikasa confirmed him that whatever he do even though he goes against his will, future as already been decided
@@eezzyfeezycash978 I was talking about actual actions, not just confirming something by asking Mikasa or Connie on Sasha's death.. Poor kid got lost in those memories.. then founding titan messed him up even more..
If writer would've shown him really trying his hardest to oppose the future that would've been sufficient for me
Because at that moment he realised that every other outcome would lead to the death of his friends, he said it himself, he cares for them more than anything.
When he touched Hystoria's hand he not only realised what his future self allowed him to see, he understood why his future self had to do what was to come and what happened before, to save those he loved most and to break the cycle of hatred that would NEVER otherwise disappear (and/or to fulfill the will of Ymir). This is why he was so devastated after their visit to Marley with the survey corp, at that point he saw that hatred was never coming to end and the worst part is, he already knew that. Same reason he almost went insane when Sasha died, her last words confirming that he is a slave to himself therefore he is physically and mentally unable to do things differently as his future and final self already set the gears in motion.
@@kartikeytyagi2330exactly, a lot of people use Sasha last words and Mikasa words as ways of him "trying" but that's just him checking, which is weird because they never showed him trying to change anything.. so what's the point of checking? I think he was never shown trying to change the future because he never actually did try. I think the future isn't actually "deterministic" in AoT like everyone says, it's just Eren being so adamant to see the Rumbling that he forces a single outcome onto himself; his future is self-deterministic by sheer force. I believe if someone else had the founders powers, were in Eren's place, they'd be able to change the future and not be tied down.
This also lines up logically since Eren is theoretically a bootstrap-paradox. If Eren created himself, who originally created Eren and allowed him to create himself..? I think naturally he got the powers through fate, but then imposed his own ideals onto fate and ensured he always ended up with the founder. He's essentially a self-causing paradox who can't change the future because deep down he doesn't want to change the future.
i heard the dune drum music and had to pause and check.. i love dune sm the music choice elavated this so well its literally amazing
The Dune score really sold this video wow amazing 🤩
Wonderful editing. Well done.
Yes, finally someone that got this right, Eren only saw what Grisha saw from future that future Eren allowed Grisha to see. The Attack Titan power is to send memories back to the past and future Eren couldn't send to Eren himself any memory, only through Grisha or other past Attack Titan past inheritor it was possible, so Eren just basically saw what Grisha saw after killing Reiss family and the Rumbling, all the rest he was just confident that if he went along that would be the result no matter what he thought about it, things would just unfold naturally even if he didn't know most of the details. Why so many people get this wrong? It is clear for anyone to see at least that Eren was just going along and was far from knowing details, he just knew the end result and saw how Grisha killed the Reiss family and Grisha saying to Zeke to try to stop him. But nothing could stop Eren, nothing.
Yes exactly! This is a misconception that he saw everything in future. He didn't, he only saw certain parts of it and he got to those parts through his own actions.
So basically he saw what he assumed at the time is the bad ending(the rumbling) but not the events that lead up to it. Because of this he tried to change said fate not knowing that the exact actions he took in trying to change the bad end is what leads to the bad end to begin with
@@garytaylor8193 No, I mean... There is only one possible timeline, sometimes Eren tried to diverge from that, others he was just facing and contemplating how he was born like that and no matter what things would end like that because that was just how the world and how he was matched in that particular way. Just like real world.
I like the addition of the dune music, good fit for this
The use of the Dune soundtrack fits so well
I just finished watching the series and my mind is blown
sooo well made i wish this were in the actual show!!
Music is on point lore wise too 🤌💯
Pedazo de edición que le has dado y me ha puesto la piel de gallina te lo juro
Perfect ost choice
This video deserves more views
Great work! And the fade in face near the end is very spooky I like it!
The Dune music goes perfect with this 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
This is the closest I've seen. The only thing I THINK (Keyword THINK because it might be wrong) could be added is eren saying that he doesn't know what mikasa will do but that the titan curse would come to an end, there a contradictions to this that exist, it would make perfect sense to tell this to historia during their argument in dawn of humanity and it hadn't been revealed in the anime yet, but I'd say that's the only thing that could POTENTIALLY be added, either way this edit is soooo good I loved it, thanks you for making it, it will be very helpful to me.
I don't think Eren knew about Mikasa bringing about the end of titans until he obtained the power of the founder
bro had his whole life spoiled without warning 🤣
omg such a fire edit🥵❤🔥 makes me wanna rewatch the whole show
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!!
The editing, choice of music, everything about this is brilliant. I would’ve loved to hear a cosmic horror-esque score with this moment on the actual show, just so the audience can be like “Wait wtf did he just see?!”
I’d love if they made one episode just about this and seeing Eren change as he witnesses the future unfolding
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy when it comes to knowing about a future that cannot be changed, and has already happened. It drives one crazy.
I think Eren seeing all the fucked up things his dad did was all promped by himself is what broked him
bro made a goddam trailer... i love it
THIS IS INSANE well done
brilliant work man, congratulations
dune soundtrack goes so well with eren
thus began a struggle (and inevitable failure) to change that future
this was amazing
This was really good! good job:))
I was expecting a meme but damn that edit was flawless
I believe he saw way further than this. Even 20,000 years ahead which is why the song is called; "To you, in 2000 years or 20,000...".
unless there’s an attack titan after eren, i doubt it. maybe through the child in the epilogue?
@@killwill5965 Yup, I have a theory that Eren isn't actually dead now he's just in the paths and took Ymirs place as the Founder since he was the last person with the founder before dying and we saw Ymir fully pass/freed when she shows herself one last time to Mikasa.
So, using the founder powers he put an end to the titans as he "died" but I believe the paths are still open and all Eldians are still connected via them so Eren can live through them when he wants like Ymir could. Ymir could actually watch more than just Eldians seeing as how she was in Mikasa's head, so Eren can probably do the same now. We don't even know the true extent of the true founder powers.
@@TheMystKing999 Mikasa is Eldian bro
@@igorecon9257 Oh yeah, ackermans are Eldians too.
@@killwill5965 A lot of people think the kid finding the tree is meant to imply that the power of the titans is back in the world. I think of it as showing how the cycle of war will never end in life. So that kid in the epilogue is more than the attack titan. That kid is the founding titan.
When I finished the Attack on Titan manga I loved it even more because I realized the Managaka just tricked everyone into essentially reading a Gundam series. Gundam is all about the horrors of war and how either side can be justified in their own way. There are a ton of similar themes in both. Anyone of you that enjoyed AoT try a Gundam series they're great! If you can't be bothered to start from the beginning but you just want to get the themes you can get away with watching War in the Pocket and the 08th MS Team both are great spin offs that get the point across. Otherwise the original series is a lot better than you might think it is, double Zeta sucks though I'm still stuck on that shit.
blud just did the best edit of all time and went to sleep.
i really like that you ised the dune sountrack for this. i have thought for a bit now that Eren is similar to Paul and Leto II. certainly not as deep as them for sure. but a nice introduction to characters who lose their minds kr humanity to seeing time
Feeling sad for how much Eren had gone through just because He was a “Slave for Freedom” ….
Eren muad’dib Yeager
Love this version 💯
awesome video!!