It's been a week everyone. Finally I'm fully recovered right now after getting ill last week. Forgive me for not telling you guys earlier. So you guys would know what happened. Back to the video, I didn't do normal duel today but I did an experiment that I think still left me with questions. Yeah, but hopefully it's just me talking nonsense. You guys just enjoy the video and happy watching
@@Candii132 I actually found it quite fun to play at the start, but then they started adding in so many cards and characters in the game, which imo overcomplicated it way too much lol
the creepiest part is it was supposed to be 100 when it showed and it showed 10 is what the creator talked about, but when the damage showed, it showed 340. weirdddd
All multiplication on the damage formula gets add up together Like 2⁵x 2 x 10 is not what happens seemingly Maybe the multiplication mechanic has a limit of multiplication, maybe that was made preventing any multiplicative bugs that'd make it grow exponentially big
From other comments, someone said that the multiplication of bonecruncher and mona burst are calculated separately. Well, it's not written in the game but this makes the most sense
@@shto_6536 I get what you mean but they just didn't explain it clearly they meant that it's: base dmg*(2^10) + base dmg*(2) but the sum difference is different in the 2 situations so there's something else im missing
According to the 1st situation with approx. 100 DMG (7 Bonecruncher's Energy Blocks, taking Mona Burst multiplier as 2 and Burst + Swirl Multiplier as 10) and 2st situation with exact 340 DMG (10 Bonecruncher's Energy Blocks, taking Mona Burst multiplier as 2 and Burst + Swirl Multiplier as 10), I calculated quite easily that the general formula for this Burst is: a) for odd amount of Bonecruncher's Energy Block cards: DMG = 2^((n-1)/2)*b+m*b b) for even amount of Bonecruncher's Energy Block cards: DMG = 2^(n/2)*b+m*b where: n means amount of Bonecruncher's Energy Block b means Serpent Burst + Swirl DMG m = mona Burst multiplier
That's great formula you invented. I think this is the most likely calculation although it is not explained in detail in ingame but this is a secret calculation by them
I dont play TCG but everytime your video popped up on my page I had to watch it, cuz I’m convinced you’re the only TCG-tuber that I am aware of. Might as well beat Cyno atp 😂
My damage is still higher But i can't share it right now, because I'm holding tcg showcase event, I'll share it next week If you're wondering why it's 340 It's 10 x (32 + 2) or 10 x 34 Not 10 x 32 x 2
@@ayuplaygames okay, i need time to process this. But it's work too when i got 7 bonecruncher in hand. That's absolutely 100 damage dealt. If i guess, you got 352 right? Or higher than that?
Is this condition possible in real game? I mean going for so many rounds doing no attacks, with opponent also doing nothing too? Or is it just for entertainment purposes only?
Hm. Odd. My guess is it’s probably the order that the buffs are calculated. Maybe some of the additive buffs happen only right before Mona doubles it? Idk
@@Jacobturtle I already explained it on my comment It's 10 x 34 = 340 Mona's burst is added to energy's block, not multiplied again So, it's x34, not x64a
i've been thinking about it, mona shouldn't buff the already given multiplier, meaning instead of 2^5x2x10 it should be 2^5x(2xthe original burst damage with no buffs); this should be experimented on, could be wrong though!
I remember Setsuna. I think I once face them in my early TCG 😂 ruthless. I don't know if it's the same Setsuna that I face battle. But they still a great opponent... 😞
Since Mona’s damage buff is additive with the cards {{{(32+2)x10=340}}} maybe use Bennett buff to make the base damage 12 {{{32x12=384}}}? or even Sir Arthur (copy opponent’s bone card, and don’t bring scorpion, use another buffer for more RNG and more damage)
I'm trying to eliminate all cards except bonecruncher to get higher chance when i draw for the last. You can see i almost fail at the end cuz i got venessa right there. Even there's 10 card left i still got other card than bonecruncher
It's from CTG Tournament at Genshin Impact Tavern Discord. Unfortunately there is no tournament at the moment but I'll give you the link first discord.gg/genshinimpacttavern
@@ZenithAvila T~T Thanks a lot, so sad I lost the opportunity to have more dorsos, but well I'll try to get the next one 🔥 Thanks again, and great videos!
swirl is +1, adeptus is +3, cleanup is +2, emblem is +2, base is 2, mona is x2, and bonecruncher is x32 one way to think about it is we end at 340 and we need to reach a multiple of 32 by subtracting the additive buffs and dividing by two in any order, the first multiple less than 340 is 320 which is impossible cuz youd need to subtract 20 when the maximum is 8, so lets say we immediately divide by 2 to minimize how much we have to subtract, even then we would have to subtract 10 which is still impossible, this means the only possibility is some of the calculations happen after the first bit of discarding but before the last bit of discarding bonecruncher calculations, for example ((((2+2)x4+5)x4)+1)x2x2) so base+emblem followed by 4 bonecruncher card discards, then adeptus and cleanup, followed by 4 more bonecruncher card discards, followed by swirl, then the last pair of bonecruncher card discards then mona
That's great theorycraft right there. But there is also another opinion that the multiplication of Mona and bonecruncher is separated. So the first one with Mona is 10 x 2 = 20. And with bonecruncher is 10 x 32 = 32. This one kind of makes sense but it is not written in the game in detail whether multiplication like this is separated first before adding up.
@@ZenithAvila oh yeah that would make more sense i was seeing each of the numbers too much as operations instead of standalone numbers (basically arithmetic viewpoint vs group theory viewpoint) so i didn't think of that either way it's super impressive that you managed 340
It's been a week everyone. Finally I'm fully recovered right now after getting ill last week. Forgive me for not telling you guys earlier. So you guys would know what happened. Back to the video, I didn't do normal duel today but I did an experiment that I think still left me with questions. Yeah, but hopefully it's just me talking nonsense. You guys just enjoy the video and happy watching
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Here's deckcode anyway incase you need it
love u zenithhhh🎉
Music seems like wolves of war powerwolf
Yippee :)
Bro gave her eleazar all over again 💀😭
LMAOOO 💀💀
😭
i gonna be doctor🤫😈
HEKP
this has made me realise both how little i know about genius invocation and how little i care to learn more about genius invocation lmao
Same i found it kinda boring tbh, i only played it because sucrose and diluc were in the quest and theyre both some of my fav characters
@@Candii132 I actually found it quite fun to play at the start, but then they started adding in so many cards and characters in the game, which imo overcomplicated it way too much lol
every tcg ever created tbh
I remember when Diluc was the strongest here as well with 52 DMG I think, poor Diluc
Right, first he was powercrept by crab, now worm 🪱
History is repeating itself
Actually it was 56 and actually actually everyone was forgetting about mona talent so it actually actually actually was 60 🤓☝️
@@kasaneteto2692 mona talent only buffs for herself, not the team
my diluc only hit 13 dmg
"Go Collei! We can still win!"
*-340*
Traumatizing collei for no reason 😭😭
This is like the 999th time collei traumstized 💀💀💀💀
At this point she is gonna khs💀😭
bro is the new dottore 😭
noooo not collei
It’s fine, she’s used to this by now…
As a wise man in another game tends to say: Survive or be destroyed. There is no other choice."
AAAAAAA WELT YANG
*proceeds to create a whole black hole*
Detroy or be destroyed
The “there’s something behind this” part is actually going to scare me tonight
Especially with the music
Lmao, I didn't think it would be that creepy tho 💀
the creepiest part is it was supposed to be 100 when it showed and it showed 10 is what the creator talked about, but when the damage showed, it showed 340. weirdddd
If Cyno would see this, he would quit TCG instantly 🙃 But nice showcase! Ty!🎉
All multiplication on the damage formula gets add up together
Like 2⁵x 2 x 10 is not what happens seemingly
Maybe the multiplication mechanic has a limit of multiplication, maybe that was made preventing any multiplicative bugs that'd make it grow exponentially big
From other comments, someone said that the multiplication of bonecruncher and mona burst are calculated separately. Well, it's not written in the game but this makes the most sense
@@ZenithAvila even if it is separated the final results are the same
2² x 2 = 2³
That's the point of powers of numbers
@@shto_6536 I get what you mean but they just didn't explain it clearly they meant that it's:
base dmg*(2^10) + base dmg*(2)
but the sum difference is different in the 2 situations so there's something else im missing
I was proud of my 11 with Tarta...😢
Collei were traumatized 340 times...
Bro became Dottore and gave Collei more PTSD 😂😂😂😂
According to the 1st situation with approx. 100 DMG (7 Bonecruncher's Energy Blocks, taking Mona Burst multiplier as 2 and Burst + Swirl Multiplier as 10) and 2st situation with exact 340 DMG (10 Bonecruncher's Energy Blocks, taking Mona Burst multiplier as 2 and Burst + Swirl Multiplier as 10), I calculated quite easily that the general formula for this Burst is:
a) for odd amount of Bonecruncher's Energy Block cards: DMG = 2^((n-1)/2)*b+m*b
b) for even amount of Bonecruncher's Energy Block cards: DMG = 2^(n/2)*b+m*b
where:
n means amount of Bonecruncher's Energy Block
b means Serpent Burst + Swirl DMG
m = mona Burst multiplier
That's great formula you invented. I think this is the most likely calculation although it is not explained in detail in ingame but this is a secret calculation by them
Cyno would be impressed 😁
I dont play TCG but everytime your video popped up on my page I had to watch it, cuz I’m convinced you’re the only TCG-tuber that I am aware of. Might as well beat Cyno atp 😂
If you interest with TCG proplayer, might check out Astral Carnival YT. They already held many TCG tournament there
Hey, I just met you. And this is crazy.
But here's a new sub, so post soon maybe.
Oh, Which deck when I meet you? anyway, thanks
@@ZenithAvilaIt’s a parody lyrics, it’s from “Call Me Maybe” by Carly Rae
We got TCG showcase before gta 6! 🗣️🗣️
Hey have u try furina,kirara and shinobu hope u can try that👍👍
Let me give them a shot
My damage is still higher
But i can't share it right now, because I'm holding tcg showcase event, I'll share it next week
If you're wondering why it's 340
It's 10 x (32 + 2) or 10 x 34
Not 10 x 32 x 2
Wait, Why did you add 2 after 32. Where did that come from? Is it Mona burst? but why summation tho?
@@ZenithAvila yes
@@ZenithAvila multiplication from Mona's burst is added to energy block
So it's x34
Not x32 x 2 or x64
@@ayuplaygames okay, i need time to process this. But it's work too when i got 7 bonecruncher in hand. That's absolutely 100 damage dealt. If i guess, you got 352 right? Or higher than that?
as Someone who nevers plays TCG unless desperate for primogens, I didn't udnerstand anything
Do 9.99 million Dmg✌️
💀🙏
i think if this happened to me in a game i would insta-surrender and sit there absolutely speechless for at least 3 hours
Is this condition possible in real game?
I mean going for so many rounds doing no attacks, with opponent also doing nothing too?
Or is it just for entertainment purposes only?
Nope, impossible. Everything you see here is already set up before and just for science experiment
Hm. Odd. My guess is it’s probably the order that the buffs are calculated. Maybe some of the additive buffs happen only right before Mona doubles it? Idk
Is that so? There's no order in double damage mechanism or mona buff are written. This is weird as hell. Idk how hoyo doing math on this
idk that’s just my guess
@@Jacobturtle I already explained it on my comment
It's 10 x 34 = 340
Mona's burst is added to energy's block, not multiplied again
So, it's x34,
not x64a
@@ayuplaygamesbasically no parenthesis
i've been thinking about it, mona shouldn't buff the already given multiplier, meaning instead of 2^5x2x10 it should be 2^5x(2xthe original burst damage with no buffs);
this should be experimented on, could be wrong though!
Yes, The strongest possibility is that mona burst and bonecruncher calculations are separated then they're summed up
Who tf showcases tcg- i applaud you ❤❤❤❤
took me 2 minutes to realize that it's a play back
bro actually made me pause the video and walk around the room, anyways u earned urself a new subscriber
yup. idc. im using this build just got 2 of the other monsters now just need mona
I died laughing. 😂 Although I love TCG, I never would’ve thought the cards could be used like this. This is insane!
Oh shit, man this deserves a world record title or something
Ending the phase 5 when you have 12 dicee, is this the part of strategy??
Yes, i'm trying to eliminate all cards except bonecruncher. So when i draw card at the end, my chance to get bonecruncher is higher.
That person was like: nope, im out!
Wth??? With 340 dmg on collei?!
Poor Collei. :(
this is like hitting 9,999,999 damage in the base game
Dottore is that you?
I remember Setsuna. I think I once face them in my early TCG 😂 ruthless. I don't know if it's the same Setsuna that I face battle. But they still a great opponent... 😞
I thought it was 34 I was surprised but then I saw the 340 LIKE HOW
I think you forgot to Mona burst at the end, but even then it should be 320 not 340
Someone already explained in another comment that the multiplication on bonecruncher and mona burst are separated so that's what causes 340 damage
Since Mona’s damage buff is additive with the cards {{{(32+2)x10=340}}} maybe use Bennett buff to make the base damage 12 {{{32x12=384}}}?
or even Sir Arthur (copy opponent’s bone card, and don’t bring scorpion, use another buffer for more RNG and more damage)
Hmm, makes sense. Maybe only RNG will be the problem now and have to be patience as well
That's just crazy and put collei to heavens
Man the fat rat songs hit hard❤
Big damage at 11:10
I don’t touch tcg for this reason.
I’m gonna get fricken obliterated. 😭 (Poor collei, that hurt me TwT)
No, TCG is not that horrible i convinced
Cries in 12 dmg
what did collei ever done to you?
why do u just always end ur round when u have like alot of dice left? ru tryna wait for smth, or what?
I'm trying to eliminate all cards except bonecruncher to get higher chance when i draw for the last. You can see i almost fail at the end cuz i got venessa right there. Even there's 10 card left i still got other card than bonecruncher
I have never seen that much omnidice before wtf
Nga playing tcg ranked
Почему ты не использовал ЭТО против краба с 250 щитом?
man , some want to play for achievements and stuff then here are the non casuals ...
Ay yo collei
Heard you broke my "trollei"
You better be "sorrei"
Or ill bring you to "dottorei"
(I have zero lyrical talent ill leave now)
Nah, that's great talent you have wrote with the rhyme👍
cyno fears bro😭😭😭😭😭🙏
11:16 AYO THAT'S 32 DMG
That number was bugged idk why
+2 from clean up, +4 from nahida weapon, +7 from adeptus, +9 from emblem. Then what is the last 1 dmg in initial burst?
correction, 2 initial burst then +2 from cleanup +1 from Nahida weap +3 from Adeptus +2 from emblem. 2+2+1+3+2=10
Bcaz 2^5 + 2 = 34 ….
I might get a lot of hate for saying this but...
It's somewhat like hearthstone.
how did guoba activate at 5:37?
It's because i use it. Are you asking for that how i get 4 cards?
@@ZenithAvila ohh is it a card of its own? sorry i dont play tcg so i didnt know how it activated without it being played in hand
bro why are people doing math in the comments bruh i thought games are supposed to be for fun 💀💀💀
Well, That's pretty common if you've been in TCG for a long time
Report the damage calculation bug to Hoyo so we can get 1000 primogems
Nah mate, all they gonna give us is 1000 lucky coins
next step is to beat cyno
NO COLLEI
Cyno:😰??
8:05 what is the name of the song please ?
Check description number 2
Raw hsr
play TCG after the primos is go to far💀
😺👌
How
I play TCG, but not on this level of complexity
Noooo my collei ㅠ_ㅠ
Where do you get that dorso (back of the card)???
It's from CTG Tournament at Genshin Impact Tavern Discord. Unfortunately there is no tournament at the moment but I'll give you the link first discord.gg/genshinimpacttavern
@@ZenithAvila T~T
Thanks a lot, so sad I lost the opportunity to have more dorsos, but well I'll try to get the next one 🔥
Thanks again, and great videos!
is that my friend ur battling with? 😀😀
That's my alt account
Ohhhh
This is crazy
Nahhh you just erased collei from the surface of teyvat
why you guys ended the rounds early, i would've defeated you before you get the chance to do 340 damage
Please note that this match is have been set up before so from the first place it was not a serious duel.
@@ZenithAvila ahh...
Yep, too far for it.
cyno be like:
how did you get that card back??
It's from Cat Tail Gathering Event. This event is held on Genshin Impact Tavern Discord. Lemme give you the link discord.gg/genshinimpacttavern
@@ZenithAvila Thank you! wonderful video
Guys does tcg give primos?
They do on achievement and player level
playing some TCG rounds every week also give you points to level up your battle pass
WHY IS TCG SO ADVANCED ALREADY
It is
@@ZenithAvila This is what I get for not improving my card skills
Ts is why i don't play it with real people now
-340.
I always ignore TCG. It is too boring.
What😭😭😭
😂😂😂
I hate this gamemode☝️🤓
My question is who tf likes genshin tcg💀
Me😋
i like it...against bots.
swirl is +1, adeptus is +3, cleanup is +2, emblem is +2, base is 2, mona is x2, and bonecruncher is x32
one way to think about it is we end at 340 and we need to reach a multiple of 32 by subtracting the additive buffs and dividing by two in any order, the first multiple less than 340 is 320 which is impossible cuz youd need to subtract 20 when the maximum is 8, so lets say we immediately divide by 2 to minimize how much we have to subtract, even then we would have to subtract 10 which is still impossible, this means the only possibility is some of the calculations happen after the first bit of discarding but before the last bit of discarding bonecruncher calculations, for example ((((2+2)x4+5)x4)+1)x2x2) so base+emblem followed by 4 bonecruncher card discards, then adeptus and cleanup, followed by 4 more bonecruncher card discards, followed by swirl, then the last pair of bonecruncher card discards then mona
That's great theorycraft right there. But there is also another opinion that the multiplication of Mona and bonecruncher is separated. So the first one with Mona is 10 x 2 = 20. And with bonecruncher is 10 x 32 = 32. This one kind of makes sense but it is not written in the game in detail whether multiplication like this is separated first before adding up.
@@ZenithAvila oh yeah that would make more sense
i was seeing each of the numbers too much as operations instead of standalone numbers (basically arithmetic viewpoint vs group theory viewpoint) so i didn't think of that
either way it's super impressive that you managed 340