After hearing Eddie's intention even though well intended. There's no way Allan was gonna be sterilized. And co-produced by Ted Templeman and Eddie. That's why he broke away to maintain the integrity of his music. I applaud him for being a true artist throughout his whole career.
What can we say? Eddie obviously helped Allan get traction here in the states, for which we are all grateful. It is a shame though how Holdsworth had to struggle and couldn't get the credit his music deserved. He certainly left a legacy.
That was a very nice thing for Eddie to say about alan holdsworth. Especially back in 1982 when the world was chock full of shitty artists and records.
There were few artists EVH could look to for inspiration. When he was introduced to Holdsworth, he recognized someone (who virtually anyone of Ed's caliber recognizes) who was possibly the greatest musician of the 20th century. Then he forced Warner to sign him.
Eddie and Allan were absolute monster musicians and guitar geniuses. The equivalent of Van Gogh and Gaugin perhaps. I’m sorry to say, the world sucks even more now that their likes are leaving us and we’re left with Cardi B and Beyonce and Kate Perry and John Mayer... 😭
@FloodyBoy Randal He exaggerated his role, but it's clear that he sincerely loved Allan's music, and wanted to help him. He is misguided in thinking Allan needed his "guidance", but they appreciated each other. Eddie was a very decent guy, and incredibly inventive and talented; obviously not remotely on Allan's level, but nobody was, except perhaps John McLaughlin and Shawn Lane.
@randyrandal2942 Why bother playing if you don't think you are the best ever? How about for the joy of playing music. If you think the whole point of playing music is to prove that you're better than everybody else, you apparently have no actual experience of the joy of music for it's own sake. I pity you if you're just wasting your time on an ego trip and mistaking it for what music is about.
@randyrandal2942 The world where I don't even have to scroll up to see the quote as I write this reply, in which you confess: "being a guitar player myself I can assure you I am the best we all think that way. Why bother if you don't?" The world where you said that is the world I live in, and apparently it's also a world where you're offended that I pointed out that what a strange and ego driven motivation for playing it is having to convince yourself that you're the best, rather than playing because you enjoy the music like a normal person.
From Ted Templeman's biography (Warner Bros producer who produced Holdsworth's album): Allan said, “Well, okay, first off though, I have a request.” Ed and I both nodded and said okay, sure. I’m thinking he’ll want to record in a certain studio, or that he wanted to suggest dates for our work to begin. Nope. “I don’t want you guys in the studio with me.” “What?” He said, “Well, I want you guys to produce me but not be in the studio while I’m recording.” Mouth agape, Ed looked panicked. Ed had talked this guy up to no end, and now he has made a totally insane request. So I told Allan, in my most diplomatic tone, that I wasn’t sure that was going to work for us. Ed then asked how Allan expected him to play on the record - and solo alongside Allan - if he wasn’t going to be in the studio while Allan recorded? Allan then said, though he’d apparently been open to the idea initially, that he didn’t want Ed to play on the record. After Allan left, Ed and I were both out of sorts. “Ted, what the fuck are we going to do?” I told Ed I’d try to talk some sense into him. Ed said, “Can you believe this guy? He’s nuts!” All we could do was shake our heads and laugh, because, honestly, it was so off the wall all you could do was laugh.
Interesting. I read all about Allan's side of it and it seemed to be a nightmare according to him. It seems like communication in the very beginning wasn't strong which led to even more differences going forward..
Ed was a wonderful guy, with or without the drugs/alcohol. That's who he was, at his core, as a human being. I think cocaine did give him some confidence in public though, as he was normally, a very shy person.
Although his tenure with Warner Bros was very brief. "Holdsworth claimed to have received no royalties from either release, naming it as one of his least favourite recordings due to numerous creative differences with executive producer Ted Templeman. nonetheless received a nomination for Best Rock Instrumental Performance at the 1984 Grammy Awards." Eddie is not listed in the credits for co-producing so I'm not sure what happened there. Perhaps this was a whirlwind time for him in the studio.
I read in an IV that Ed stated he really wanted to produce Holdsworth's album, but Alan would not wait 3 weeks until Ed was done with touring that year. He stated what a shame it was, because he would have gone in a completely different direction with his music & feels strongly he would've done great things with Alan's talents. Ed was not at all happy with the results of what were eventually produced for Alan. Only "good" when they could've been "great", kind of results, had he been at the wheel. How could Alan not have chosen to wait for Ed?! Pretty shocking & a decision he's probably seriously regretted ever since.
@@coldwinter5710I think Eddie would have helped to get Ted Templemen off of Allan’s ass hahaha Eddie appreciated what Ted didn’t, and Allan hated that record so much because Warner Brothers forced him to compromise so much of his music (that EP “Road Games” is still absolutely stellar by the way, could have been even better if Allan was left to his own devices). Eddie is right on a lot here though, Allan was on a completely different level than everyone else. With an artistic mind like that, an outside force (AKA Ted) shouldn’t mess with it. Glad Allan Holdsworth got off Warner Brothers though, he ended up releasing some of the greatest, most beautiful, and most boundary-pushing albums of all time from a home studio and on smaller labels (or in some cases no label at all).
Atisha Dipankara 1 hour ago EVH birthdate Jan 6, 7. or 9 1955 and RR was late December 1956.... So Ed was almost 2 years older... at least 20 or so months. I also think RR did Over the Mountain before he was exposed to Fairwarning
Shame that arrogant producer Ted Templeton started telling Allan what to play as he thought it'd make him more money 🙄 Allan was totally about music. Templeton was totally about money.
Agreed! I really think if labels let Allan do what he wanted (and if a major label gave him a real shot instead of snubbing his creative direction), he could have had the exposure to a wider audience, which he always deserved. The music world has a modern-day Mozart in Allan Holdsworth (or Nikola Tesla, choose any superhuman genius really), an innovator who pushed the guitar (and music) to places beyond comprehension, and what did the music industry do? They ignored him. One day I believe Holdsworth will get the recognition he has always deserved.
At this time EVH was indeed supposed to co-produce Holdsworth’s album that became Road Games. But for whatever reason Holdsworth didn’t want to wait 3 weeks for EVH to finish up some tour dates, so he made the album without him. Road Games is ok but not really that good. Imagine what the album could have been if Holdsworth was simply more patient.
Great archive. The benevolence for Holdsworth is very moving. RIP Eddie
The first time I saw Allan was at the Roxy in ‘82 when Eddie sat in! Imagine my surprise and jaw dropping excitement:-)
You can tell that Eddie is genuinely passionate about guitar playing in this interview.
😂😂 your ears should tell you that
He was great him and holdsworth very unique both are very missed
That was cool.
Mad respect for BOTH of them.
Spot on Eddie, Holdsworth is the master.
Imagine getting a phone call from Eddie Van Halen
After hearing Eddie's intention even though well intended. There's no way Allan was gonna be sterilized. And co-produced by Ted Templeman and Eddie. That's why he broke away to maintain the integrity of his music. I applaud him for being a true artist throughout his whole career.
What can we say? Eddie obviously helped Allan get traction here in the states, for which we are all grateful. It is a shame though how Holdsworth had to struggle and couldn't get the credit his music deserved. He certainly left a legacy.
RIP: Allan and Eddie.
Eddie 25 Years Old
That was a very nice thing for Eddie to say about alan holdsworth. Especially back in 1982 when the world was chock full of shitty artists and records.
That's cos Eddie is a top class musician and acknowledges the guys who are top of the tree on the guitar
There were few artists EVH could look to for inspiration. When he was introduced to Holdsworth, he recognized someone (who virtually anyone of Ed's caliber recognizes) who was possibly the greatest musician of the 20th century. Then he forced Warner to sign him.
Eddie and Allan were absolute monster musicians and guitar geniuses. The equivalent of Van Gogh and Gaugin perhaps. I’m sorry to say, the world sucks even more now that their likes are leaving us and we’re left with Cardi B and Beyonce and Kate Perry and John Mayer... 😭
@FloodyBoy Randal He exaggerated his role, but it's clear that he sincerely loved Allan's music, and wanted to help him. He is misguided in thinking Allan needed his "guidance", but they appreciated each other.
Eddie was a very decent guy, and incredibly inventive and talented; obviously not remotely on Allan's level, but nobody was, except perhaps John McLaughlin and Shawn Lane.
Nobody @@Gregorypeckory
@randyrandal2942 Why bother playing if you don't think you are the best ever? How about for the joy of playing music.
If you think the whole point of playing music is to prove that you're better than everybody else, you apparently have no actual experience of the joy of music for it's own sake. I pity you if you're just wasting your time on an ego trip and mistaking it for what music is about.
@randyrandal2942 The world where I don't even have to scroll up to see the quote as I write this reply, in which you confess: "being a guitar player myself I can assure you I am the best we all think that way. Why bother if you don't?"
The world where you said that is the world I live in, and apparently it's also a world where you're offended that I pointed out that what a strange and ego driven motivation for playing it is having to convince yourself that you're the best, rather than playing because you enjoy the music like a normal person.
Just like Allan did, he played for the joy of music@@Gregorypeckory
From Ted Templeman's biography (Warner Bros producer who produced Holdsworth's album):
Allan said, “Well, okay, first off though, I have a request.”
Ed and I both nodded and said okay, sure.
I’m thinking he’ll want to record in a certain studio, or that he wanted to suggest dates for our work to begin.
Nope.
“I don’t want you guys in the studio with me.”
“What?”
He said, “Well, I want you guys to produce me but not be in the studio while I’m recording.”
Mouth agape, Ed looked panicked. Ed had talked this guy up to no end, and now he has made a totally insane request.
So I told Allan, in my most diplomatic tone, that I wasn’t sure that was going to work for us.
Ed then asked how Allan expected him to play on the record - and solo alongside Allan - if he wasn’t going to be in the studio while Allan recorded?
Allan then said, though he’d apparently been open to the idea initially, that he didn’t want Ed to play on the record.
After Allan left, Ed and I were both out of sorts.
“Ted, what the fuck are we going to do?”
I told Ed I’d try to talk some sense into him.
Ed said, “Can you believe this guy? He’s nuts!”
All we could do was shake our heads and laugh, because, honestly, it was so off the wall all you could do was laugh.
Awesome !!
Interesting. I read all about Allan's side of it and it seemed to be a nightmare according to him. It seems like communication in the very beginning wasn't strong which led to even more differences going forward..
Wow!
Every guitar player that ever was influenced by they always say how great Eddie Van Halen was to talk to
Rest In Peace Brother
Eddies hit me hardest. Im glad Im 46. Not much left. Then out.
Little Guitars was does in a literal little guitars. My kid needs a little guitar like that.
Maybe I may be mistaken but Eddie was on a lot of cocaine results of such a friendly nice guy he would talk to people for a very very long time
Ed was a wonderful guy, with or without the drugs/alcohol. That's who he was, at his core, as a human being.
I think cocaine did give him some confidence in public though, as he was normally, a very shy person.
Eddie's like, "This guy is better than ME! SHUT UP, AND GIVE HIM MONEY!" Lol.
If only FaceTime was invented at this time 😭
Although his tenure with Warner Bros was very brief. "Holdsworth claimed to have received no royalties from either release, naming it as one of his least favourite recordings due to numerous creative differences with executive producer Ted Templeman. nonetheless received a nomination for Best Rock Instrumental Performance at the 1984 Grammy Awards." Eddie is not listed in the credits for co-producing so I'm not sure what happened there. Perhaps this was a whirlwind time for him in the studio.
I read in an IV that Ed stated he really wanted to produce Holdsworth's album, but Alan would not wait 3 weeks until Ed was done with touring that year. He stated what a shame it was, because he would have gone in a completely different direction with his music & feels strongly he would've done great things with Alan's talents. Ed was not at all happy with the results of what were eventually produced for Alan. Only "good" when they could've been "great", kind of results, had he been at the wheel. How could Alan not have chosen to wait for Ed?! Pretty shocking & a decision he's probably seriously regretted ever since.
@@coldwinter5710 Maybe he was like that, because he had 2 kids and a wife back in England?? 🤷🏻♂️
@@coldwinter5710I think Eddie would have helped to get Ted Templemen off of Allan’s ass hahaha
Eddie appreciated what Ted didn’t, and Allan hated that record so much because Warner Brothers forced him to compromise so much of his music (that EP “Road Games” is still absolutely stellar by the way, could have been even better if Allan was left to his own devices).
Eddie is right on a lot here though, Allan was on a completely different level than everyone else. With an artistic mind like that, an outside force (AKA Ted) shouldn’t mess with it. Glad Allan Holdsworth got off Warner Brothers though, he ended up releasing some of the greatest, most beautiful, and most boundary-pushing albums of all time from a home studio and on smaller labels (or in some cases no label at all).
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Atisha Dipankara
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EVH birthdate Jan 6, 7. or 9 1955 and RR was late December 1956.... So Ed was almost 2 years older... at least 20 or so months.
I also think RR did Over the Mountain before he was exposed to Fairwarning
Eddie goat of rock guitar Allan goat of fusion guitar
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"I can't play the kinda offbeat stuff you guys do ".
turned out to be a disaterous disappointment for Allan.."the road to hell..."
Shame that arrogant producer Ted Templeton started telling Allan what to play as he thought it'd make him more money 🙄
Allan was totally about music.
Templeton was totally about money.
Agreed! I really think if labels let Allan do what he wanted (and if a major label gave him a real shot instead of snubbing his creative direction), he could have had the exposure to a wider audience, which he always deserved.
The music world has a modern-day Mozart in Allan Holdsworth (or Nikola Tesla, choose any superhuman genius really), an innovator who pushed the guitar (and music) to places beyond comprehension, and what did the music industry do? They ignored him. One day I believe Holdsworth will get the recognition he has always deserved.
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Allan Holdsworth.
At this time EVH was indeed supposed to co-produce Holdsworth’s album that became Road Games. But for whatever reason Holdsworth didn’t want to wait 3 weeks for EVH to finish up some tour dates, so he made the album without him. Road Games is ok but not really that good. Imagine what the album could have been if Holdsworth was simply more patient.
A pop album? Allan did what he wanted, so it's ok
Let's get an interviewer who is a musician ...it would help....I'm a jazz sax flute piano player ..I could have asked real muso questions
And the real muso questions would’ve turned this into a boring interview that would’ve been a snooze fest