Both of these “cheap” bikes are the dream bikes of most of us in Latin America, so don’t let anyone belittle them if you have one! (I have a tiny xtz 150 and I have taken her to hell and back 😂)
I went to Argentina and I was eyeballing all the bikes, I have a 1300 cruiser and here that is a "Small" cruiser, the biggest I saw was a 390cc, and that was only one... almost Everything was 125, only a few 150's and 200's
After owning a 2006 GS in the year 2010 I was addicted and between 2010 and 2023 I owned 5 GS Adventures. Just sold my 2022 R1250 GSA... I live in NorCal and finally changed my riding style. Unlike those blogger or Vloggers on UA-cam who spend thousands of miles and weeks or even months at a time on the road, most of us go out for a bike ride generally that lasts either 1 day to 1 week... A trip lasting longer than a week is taken by 99% of us most likely happens once or twice a year. So, if you leave your home on your bike and take couple of hundred miles to your destination on a freeway and then when you get there get off the main road to some back country or dirt roads than get the KLR or similar a little beefy bike... If you are over 220 lbs and 6' or taller, then again get the KLR or similar... But like I decided recently, if you want to put your bike behind your RV and take it to a campground, (i.e. Yellowstone) and then spend few days at that campground while discovering the surrounding areas on backroads or on dirt tracks then get the Honda 300L... At age 65 and after 5 GSA models (all were purchased brand new) I realized it is really unnecessary to invest US$30,000+ in order to have fun... If you have that kind of $, get a $6000 bike, upgrade the iffy parts on it to make it an exceptional bike and then go have fun. Trust me it won't be any different fun than riding a $30,000 worth bike! Ride safe everyone!
I currently own the KLR adv, and use to own the crf250l rally. I can confirm the build of the CRF is better. Love both bikes and it’d be hard to pick a favourite.
Another great production. I want to add something if I may, having owned both a gen2 KLR650 and ridden it off-road everywhere even in sand dunes and a CRF250 Rally (90% same as the 300) I must say one deciding factor comes to rider size, if you are a bigger person definitely go for the KLR because I found the CRF too small for my size and way under powered mostly lacking in torque, I could not get out of the ditches and up the hills before revving it to the roof. Having ridden mostly big adventure bikes off-road I really like the tractor nature of bigger motors.
This is an excellent take. As a smaller person 5’8” 165lbs I went with the Rally. I really like the KLR what how I’m I going to get on the thing? Can I pick it up if I drop it? My age was also a factory. Strength diminishes at 40 something.
Very good comparison video. I just rode my new 300 Rally home (20 miles of pavement, 50+ mph back roads) after a slightly technical two track dirt day. On the way home lightning was crashing, trees branches were being blown down, the wind was gusting to 45+ mph (head on, 90 deg cross and tail as the road changed directions), hard rain and a bit of hail. I cannot comment on the KLR but the Rally was rock solid in these conditions. The wind was wipping my body around a bit but the bike was as stable/planted as could be. I tucked down a bit and stayed drier than expected behind the small faring. My point is that while the KLR might be better in these high wind/rain conditions the lighter Rally is amazingly planted on the pavement for such a light bike......more than just adequate , it far surpassed my expectations here.
Yea this is one thing I was worried about...that if I go on the highway I will just get blown around like a ragdoll. Considering getting one next spring. Right now I'm riding a DRZ 400 SM and I can't even touch the highway without feeling like I'm going to die any second from either wind or my engine just blowing up from reving over 9k lol.
Outstanding compare/contrast of these two great bikes! I really like both but think I'll pick up the standard CRF300L as the lightweight and better off road ability & ability to get WAY off the beaten path, is what I'm after. Your videography is fantastic in each new video. Keep up the great work!
I have a Honda XR150, here in South Africa and prefer using it to my F 800GS or older 400 TransAlp for any ADV trips that include technical sections but sure miss the others on the higher speeds, tarred roads. As a commuter, it's twice as economical as either my 400 or 800!
I'm currently in Colombia on a 20 year old KLR. My only gripe about it is its weight. I'm getting on in years now & can no longer pick it up if it falls. So I'm extremely hesitant to take it down sparsely populated trails. It certainly is a beast of a bike though. Will be seriously looking at the CRF when I get back to England next year as I continue the journey on to Africa.
Good review, this winter I was looking for video like this since those were the two picks for me but ended up buying the Honda at the end and no regrets
I have both,although my KLR is a ‘99. I just got home today from a 4000 mile road trip from where I live in central Pennsylvania out to western Kansas and back. Some dirt. I spent some time before I left deciding which bike to take! Ultimately the KLR won out because of its HP and torque advantage. There really is a big difference between the two bikes in that area-certainly loaded with luggage. I noticed that even the wider rear tire (over stock) that I put on the Honda sapped some of its power. I love the bike tho! Very sweet,very smooth and very light! At least compared to the KLR. Enjoyed the vidja as always!
Thanks! Yes, on local rides I'd go with the Honda, but Pennsylvania to Kansas and back, definitely the KLR. I like the older KLRs better because they were much lighter than the current ones.
Problem with the last 450l was High maintenance. It would be good to calm it back & higher service intervals. The 300's suspension needs to be binned but that means Honda would charge heaps again for slower sales (450rl was too expensive in Australia & they ended up discontinuing here 2019
Another well made video, thank you! I spent several days just recently on a friend's KLR and was very pleased to give it a go. Like all have said, 'it does everything...ok' but I'll take my Tenere every time!! 😎
I'm 5'6 5'7ish, I've been on a few dirt bikes, but I've never sized up a KLR. it was really helpful to see someone the same height on one for comparison
i currently own 3rd Gen KLR 650 been wanting one for years finally got a 2022 last year only has 840 miles on it now looking forward to ride more since the weather is getting warmer 😊
Great comparison. Two of the four bikes Ichy Boots compared before choosing one for her Season Six ride from Ecuador to Alaska. After watching Noraly in Seasons Five and Six drive through Africa, South and Central America, it's hard to think anything but HONDA.😎 Clearly, to me, the best ADV bikes have to be under 480 pounds; ruling out all the pricey BMWs.🤔
Honda CRF300L Rally I think is better for me. I'm small 5'8" 150lbs and older 58. But I do like the KLR but I think it's just a little to big for my liking. I grew up on smaller bikes. 100cc to 350cc. That you for the video.
Recently bought a new ‘22 base model KLR 650 and I absolutely love it!! I ordered all Tusk brand crash bars, soft pannier bags and quick release mounting bracket along with Tusk hand guards . I have a ‘20 Moto Guzzi V85tt adventure but I love that motorcycle more for cruising and the KLR more for gravel and off road . I looked seriously at the Honda 300 rally but the KLR fit my check list better. Great video! ✌️😁🇺🇸
For me, the KLR650 is the one. I've owned three different ones in the past and know its capabilities and limitations. And I've got its limitations (too heavy for really rough off road) covered with an XT250 and a CRF250RX. Something better for a 50+ mile commute on country backroads but still capable for the dirt road for me, the KLR650.
Great video ! I am going to continue enjoying my 2014 KLR. And eventually buy a CRF or a KLX 300. For the more technical stuff. Best Wishes from Montana M.H
Great vid. With decades of riding experience on sportbikes and dirtbikes, these two are the last on my shortlist. I expect I'll get the new KLR adventure, as I want the longer range for travelling, and I'm not a hardcore dirt rider anymore. The first addition I'l make is a center stand for lubing the chain; on long trips this is mandatory for me.
Just last week I changed both tires on my 2014 KLR. A center stand would be worth its weight in gold. Especially on the trail fixing a flat. My side stand is too long. So picking parking places is something I have to pay attention to. A center stand would give you more options. Best Wishes! M.H
I bought a 2000 Honda NX 650, (the old equivalent of the KLR) here in Sicily. The bike was well received in Europe, but sadly the North American market rejected it after 2 years. There is a guy from Germany, UA-cam Marc Travels, who took his NX all over Europe I'm planing to use mine to do something similar. There are lots of them around in Europe, the same engine is still being used in the XR650, so parts and the Honda dealer network make it a good choice. Also, it costs lot less than any new bike the same size. Now that's adventuring on a budget.
I've been riding for 57 years, just not so much the last 10. Now it's time to change that! Both the 300 Rally and KLR650 are on my radar. I was glad to hear that FINALLY the KLR has fuel injection! It didn't for a long time! I'll be doing on/off road, but very few, if any trails. We have an old saying in the old guy bike world, "there is no replacement for displacement" LOL Almost twice the CC's makes a big difference! Weight is not as important. The Honda needs upgrading for front/rear suspension just to be a reasonable ride! (Rally Raid?). But, I might change the front wheel on the KLR to 17" or 18" too, to help on the pavement, and add a second disk brake. Other than that, the KLR kills it! It's $7700 out the door (after small discount) in the US I refuse to pay $435 destination charge and $300 surcharge(WTF!), it should be included in the price if they are going to charge extra for it at all. There are a lot of dealers in the US, I will find one to buy at that price. Thanks for your info!! 8) --gary
I've owned motorcycles all my life. I always thought I was a pretty advanced off-road rider. When I got my KLR I spent countless dollars and hours upgrading the suspension, tires and farkles. The first day I took out to the woods, I hit a small patch of sand, and it promptly dumped me on my... ahh, uhm,.. ego. That KLR is still in the woods to this day, because the cost of the crane to come out and pick it up was more than the bike. Get a CRF300 Rally. You'll be much happier.
My money is on the Honda. Or the KLX 300 for that matter. Lighter bikes have longer fuel range and they don't break your legs when you drop them on yourself. Unfortunately they lack power on uphills if you weigh over 150lb. But it's an adv bike, it has no business on the highway
My main problem is getting to the trail. There's a long slab haul waiting for me if I want to leave my general area and loading the bike up onto the pickup is a pain in the ass.
I am currently riding a Honda XR150L but when I return to the states I plan on buying the Rally 300. The older I get the benefits of a lighter bike are more appealing.
Here's the deal with the lighter Rally: it can go everywhere the heavier bikes can go, if a little slower on the highways. But the heavier bikes can NOT always go where the lighter bike can go. I got the Rally because I'm going places where I will surely drop it, and I want to be able to pick it up again. The choice was easy. I have a heavy, powerful cruiser for highway riding, but those who ride with me on the their cruisers can never follow me once I take out the little Honda, leave the roads, and head into the mountain trails. A riding friend has a KLR 650, and while I have a hard time keeping up with him on my Honda when we're on the pavement or the groomed gravel roads, he has a hard time keeping up with me in the technical trails. I've already had to stop, turn around, and help him get his bike up. As for tank range, I can always carry a spare fuel container if the trip calls for it. So the lighter bike is always the more versatile.
Until you do an actual adv ride with luggage onboard going up an incline in the mountains with the bike pinned in 5th with traffic running you over. Don’t understand why people want a 330+lb bike with 286cc 22rwhp. 300L or KLX300 much better options. But to each their own.
I just moved to Mexico this year and my only dealer option is Honda. It's funny here as the CRF300 (or XRE300 as it's known here) is the biggest, baddest bike money can buy. Ordered mine today.
I have a 300 rally, tires are the secret, it is a bad ass non Hy light mx/55 mph high speed in town bike with good street tires, it is increasable. I ride in rush hour traffic for fun on my days off. To light for higher hy speeds and with a 84mph top end stock. It's great for 55mph speed limits, that gives you still some passing/avoidance Tork. I love this bike
Good review. One thing you didn't cover as perhaps it is not an issue where you live but in my neck of the woods if you want to go down to the local dealer and pick up one of this bikes and ride it home the KLR is the only answer. CRF Rallies are few and far between around these parts with most folks having to just put down a deposit and wait 6 months, or more, to get it.
Hey, I started out last December on a CT125 thinking I wanted a little bike to take with me and the family camping. The little Ct is amazing but I got bit by the motorcycle bug and now I am on the list for the rally at my local dealership.
I think the Honda might be a good city bike. Jumping over curbs and crossing pothole hell! Ripping from one traffic jam to the next and winding through the cars while being high enough to see over the traffic.
I put a deposit on a 22 300 Rally but my dealer had all 6 they had on order canceled. Thought about a KLR but had a first gen but found it to heavy and the 22 is even heavier so it’s out. Just have to wait and hopefully a 23 crf shows up 🤨
Think I'd be more comfortable with the KLR, in Southern California I'm always having to work my lil 883 Sportster because people fly out here on the highway. Also our yearly winds do toss around lighter motorcycles like the R3 I had previously. Kinda annoyed that the KLR doesn't have a tachometer.
That is weird not to have a tach these days. The Honda has one as well as a gear indicator. The KLR is definitely the better bike at hight speeds though.
There is also to much electronics on the BMW. And if you have any trouble it is hard to find a BMW dealership in Kirgisistan, Bolivia or Morocco. But they are getting as complicated as modern cars. If you want to go on a big trip keep it simple. I also like the Himalayan. For a little bit more money I would get the Ténéré. With those two I would pick the Rally.
I was searching Google for a head to head comparison of these two bikes about 3 days ago. Nothing came up I was surprised. Yours just popped up for me today. Just what I was hoping for! Excellent job in pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of each model. But to be honest I still don't know which one makes the most sense for me. There are trade offs either way. The only way I could be completely satisfied is with either a 40hp CRF or a 350lb KLR. Then it would only be a choice of which color I could live with: green or red 🤔 Like choosing a burrito 🌯
Nice comparison, over time I think I’ve found the best of most worlds while still coming in way under BMW price tag. I use KLR for long Hwy rides / light off road and Beta 430RRS on truck rack for camping / exploring or serious off road. Beta’s 250 lb weight with beastly power is hard to match, it’s dirt bike with blinkers. Honda too underpowered for me would need a second one just for my beer belly.
I think everyone who likes Hondas wants a 500, not a 300cc bike. The engine out of the CBR500r in a beefed up CRF300 frame would be perfect. 47 hp or so and quite light for a twin. Give it a 270 degree crank like the Africa Twin and Honda will have back orders for years.
That's true, Kawasaki does not bring its new KLR to quite many places where it may be really desired. While Yamaha is selling its T7 everywhere! I think, this is a major mistake of Kawasaki.
Yes, I would choose the KLR. Big tank, and good on most surfaces is good enough for me. Unfortunately I live in Sweden and they don´t sell it here. Even very old ones (there are some) sell for ridiculous prices. From Honda my choice would be the CB500X, that ticks my boxes quite well. Also very hard to find a decent one, especially with the bigger front wheel. And for a new one, to be delivred 2022 I would have needed to place an order in december last year. So my old Vulcan will continue to serve me indefinitely...
Funnily, two years after my previous comment on this video, I haven't yet purchased an adventure bike, and these two are still the two at the top of the list, even with the Cfmoto 450mt having been introduced in Canada -- it looks great, but the fuel range and economy isn't as much as I want. Now I'm leaning towards the crf300 rally, though I'm interested in seeing the revised 2025 ktm 390 adventure.
Using Itchy Boots may not be the best recommendation. Remember she broke her last Honda in half with only about 5 kg of fuel on the back. Maybe not the best subframe.
Yep, and the new one is welded on instead of bolted on so even worse. However, Brooke and I have ridden two up on ours and it survived so it doesn’t appear to be an issue.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Judging by pictures alone the new frame looks sturdier to me. ItchyBoots has done thousands of miles since now, with way more than 5kg on the back I think, and no problems. Let's hope it won't be an issue anymore.
Nice vid and I enjoy your real world, normal guy point of view. There are some of us out here, that want light, reliable and simple adv bike. The price point is not the primary consideration and I think you concentrated on that bit too much. For me the Rally is the only bike that fits this bill. The Honda has comically poor suspension, basic static/rider sag can't be set with factory springs and the dampening is beyond soft. The displacement/power is limited by it being an Asian derived model, here 250 cc is a limit, so we don't get the extra bump in displacement with the updated bike. Other than that, for real world adventure rides or the around the world trip, its the perfect bike.
I’ve been meaning to ask; is that you playing slide guitar on the intro? That’s one of my weaknesses as a guitarist. I struggle with playing slide guitar.
I would have liked the Tiger 660 be force-evolutioned into a offroad beast in Hinckley's labs. I grew fond of the three cyclinder bikes. But I have not ridden a Tiger Scramber 1200 yet. They have not developed it into a crazed horse power monster, but gave those cam shafts a more low to medium torque timing. I was lucky to have once found a manual, which describes how you can take any engine and what makes it either a high rev sport bike or a slow torque monster. I envy your opportunities to ride offroad, I mentioned it a couple times, Germany is tightly populated and I would not want to violate few spots of environmental protection for those few wild animals by entering with a noisy bike.
great vidéos, quick question. I haven't drove a bike since 1995 and I was looking for a Adventure bike to mostly go to work with and be able to go offroad. I way 216lb and I am 6ft. I am a big Mountain bike rider, so was looking for something handles the same but with a motor and better then a moped to save gas and mileage on my truck. 😁. so with this informations here is my question. Is the Honda CRF300L Rally strong enough for me or should I go with the KLR? Thanks
Hello motor mice, nice comparison of both bikes, compliments! If anybody realy wants to know about the CRF300, then you have to watch " ITCHY BOOTS" , because now she is doing her 6th world travel journey, now from South America - Alaska on a CRF300. She loves to ride off road with full pack! This is the ultimate test for her an her bike. I only have 'respect' for what she is doing and if you will follow her, then you allso get more respect!! Enjoy!!
Less offroad: but more about touring the world, you might have allready spotted Kinga Tanajwska's channel ONHERBIKE. She started from Australia without a destination in 2017. She must be a taller chick, since an F800GS is usually not suited for a shorter rider.
I hit a deer on my klr650 and totalled it, so I immediately found out how difficult it was to lift it back up especially if I was to ever go solo, so for that reason I'm going with the crf300l rally, huge weight difference between the two, I liked my klr but it sure doesn't inspire confidence going alone on off road trips.
I'm in Vancouver BC, looking for an entry level adventure bike. I'm 195lbs, 5'8" and an experienced rider but little off road skills. I'll have to travel highways to get to decent off road adventures. I'm leaning more towards the KLR because of the highway comfort, but love the look of the Honda. The Tenere would be ideal but I can't justify the costs yet. I've taken big road trips on a Ninja 300 so smaller HP/CC is not a huge concern to me. Either way Ill end up with upgraded suspension in the future. I have friends riding GS's, 1190 adventures and KLRs so I also don't want to get left too far behind...which would you suggest ? Should I test ride them both (possibly a RE himalayan also) and see which I like more ?
Have the KTM 390 Adventure for road and will do more off road then the KLR 650 and about the same power, also love my DR650 use as a true 50/50 bike but did go with a 20 liter gas tank, My Honda CRF 300 L at the dealer shop being set up for 90 % off road. Dunlop D606 rear and Pirelli M16 front and upping the rear sprocket to a 45 tooth also getting better handle bars, hand guards and bash plate, also putting a rear tack to carry extra gas. The small gas tank on the 300 L is its draw back. And do not say get the rally they are 2 different bikes.
The Suspension on the versys is good. If you're hoping over lots of logs you might get hung up. But for most "adventure" riders the clearance would be enough.
Hey, if the Honda is good enough for Noraly at Itchy Boots, it's good enough for anyone. (And she's riding it HARD.) Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
It certainly doesn't make sense to ride a $30K bike thousands of miles through 3rd world countries where parts, service, high octane gasoline and protection from thievery may be scarce. Even Itchy Boots found that tires for her Honda CRF300L were hard to find in Mexico, and that a 300cc bike was considered a "big bike" by locals. Fitting in with the local conditions seems to work out best for adventure riding.
I agree Dave. Maybe she should only buy a bike on arrival in the country where she starts her trip, like she did in South Africa. What do you think would be the ideal bike she should have chosen for her current South America to Alaska trip?
@@DaveZee01 - Considering her needs of light weight, soft luggage, ubiquity of dealers, gas mileage, I think she has chosen well for her current trip. My only reservations are about highway/freeway travel in the US on a 300cc bike.
if honda had better brakes and ~500cc engine, i would have bought honda instead of stepping up to tenere. kawasaki not available here, but i dont know if i would buy it anyway, wouldnt want to reward their laziness
Your wrong about the mileage of the crf rally . There is a video that showed the crf went farther than the klr . They went through the desert and the only bike that made it without adding more gas was the crf rally . It went over 240 miles and the klr didn't make it much over 200 miles . They were riding side by side . There were a few other bikes in the test and they ran out of gas a lot sooner but the rally was the clear winner .
Meh i think Värmland, Venice, Venman Bushland (yes i had to look up 3rd) might also be nice to travel to or Tatry, Taranaki, Tin-Toumma Desert, or any given town you like .P Still if you want to go out motorbiking than it might aswell be gorgeous place yea? all those are great. now that my brain is done ratting on irrelevant subject please enjoy the review of gorgeous bikes.
Both of these “cheap” bikes are the dream bikes of most of us in Latin America, so don’t let anyone belittle them if you have one! (I have a tiny xtz 150 and I have taken her to hell and back 😂)
That’s awesome! Thanks for sharing and putting things in perspective.
Yep always struck me how many people drooled over the 300 rally in itchy boots travel videos.
@@mrspeigle1 Cant get enough of her videos. Best honda ad ever.
I went to Argentina and I was eyeballing all the bikes, I have a 1300 cruiser and here that is a "Small" cruiser, the biggest I saw was a 390cc, and that was only one... almost Everything was 125, only a few 150's and 200's
After owning a 2006 GS in the year 2010 I was addicted and between 2010 and 2023 I owned 5 GS Adventures. Just sold my 2022 R1250 GSA... I live in NorCal and finally changed my riding style. Unlike those blogger or Vloggers on UA-cam who spend thousands of miles and weeks or even months at a time on the road, most of us go out for a bike ride generally that lasts either 1 day to 1 week... A trip lasting longer than a week is taken by 99% of us most likely happens once or twice a year. So, if you leave your home on your bike and take couple of hundred miles to your destination on a freeway and then when you get there get off the main road to some back country or dirt roads than get the KLR or similar a little beefy bike... If you are over 220 lbs and 6' or taller, then again get the KLR or similar... But like I decided recently, if you want to put your bike behind your RV and take it to a campground, (i.e. Yellowstone) and then spend few days at that campground while discovering the surrounding areas on backroads or on dirt tracks then get the Honda 300L... At age 65 and after 5 GSA models (all were purchased brand new) I realized it is really unnecessary to invest US$30,000+ in order to have fun... If you have that kind of $, get a $6000 bike, upgrade the iffy parts on it to make it an exceptional bike and then go have fun. Trust me it won't be any different fun than riding a $30,000 worth bike! Ride safe everyone!
I currently own the KLR adv, and use to own the crf250l rally. I can confirm the build of the CRF is better. Love both bikes and it’d be hard to pick a favourite.
Another great production. I want to add something if I may, having owned both a gen2 KLR650 and ridden it off-road everywhere even in sand dunes and a CRF250 Rally (90% same as the 300) I must say one deciding factor comes to rider size, if you are a bigger person definitely go for the KLR because I found the CRF too small for my size and way under powered mostly lacking in torque, I could not get out of the ditches and up the hills before revving it to the roof. Having ridden mostly big adventure bikes off-road I really like the tractor nature of bigger motors.
Good point. The KLR riding position is roomier. I do find that the 300 Rally has enough torque for me on the trails.
This is an excellent take. As a smaller person 5’8” 165lbs I went with the Rally. I really like the KLR what how I’m I going to get on the thing? Can I pick it up if I drop it?
My age was also a factory. Strength diminishes at 40 something.
Very good comparison video. I just rode my new 300 Rally home (20 miles of pavement, 50+ mph back roads) after a slightly technical two track dirt day. On the way home lightning was crashing, trees branches were being blown down, the wind was gusting to 45+ mph (head on, 90 deg cross and tail as the road changed directions), hard rain and a bit of hail. I cannot comment on the KLR but the Rally was rock solid in these conditions. The wind was wipping my body around a bit but the bike was as stable/planted as could be. I tucked down a bit and stayed drier than expected behind the small faring. My point is that while the KLR might be better in these high wind/rain conditions the lighter Rally is amazingly planted on the pavement for such a light bike......more than just adequate , it far surpassed my expectations here.
Yea this is one thing I was worried about...that if I go on the highway I will just get blown around like a ragdoll. Considering getting one next spring. Right now I'm riding a DRZ 400 SM and I can't even touch the highway without feeling like I'm going to die any second from either wind or my engine just blowing up from reving over 9k lol.
Outstanding compare/contrast of these two great bikes! I really like both but think I'll pick up the standard CRF300L as the lightweight and better off road ability & ability to get WAY off the beaten path, is what I'm after. Your videography is fantastic in each new video. Keep up the great work!
Thanks, I appreciate that! The Honda is definitely easier to get out of difficult situations.
I have the 300l. It's awesome. Unstoppable off road
I would love either one. Meanwhile I'm here enjoying my "tiny" Yamaha XTZ 150 for all my adventure trips.
Good choice! Just looked it up and it looks cool. Yamaha doesn't import that to Canada unfortunately.
I have a Honda XR150, here in South Africa and prefer using it to my F 800GS or older 400 TransAlp for any ADV trips that include technical sections but sure miss the others on the higher speeds, tarred roads. As a commuter, it's twice as economical as either my 400 or 800!
*Laughs in CRF190L aka Chinese baby Africa Twin*
Just don't ask me to go over 65 MPH...
I'm currently in Colombia on a 20 year old KLR. My only gripe about it is its weight. I'm getting on in years now & can no longer pick it up if it falls. So I'm extremely hesitant to take it down sparsely populated trails. It certainly is a beast of a bike though. Will be seriously looking at the CRF when I get back to England next year as I continue the journey on to Africa.
Man, nice I'm 68 and got the new 2022 KLR650 base model no abs, I had a 2017 crf250l fun bike but no power, the KLR is a hoot to ride !
Definitely a big power difference.
They may be relatively inexpensive, but they're certainly not cheap.
Good review, this winter I was looking for video like this since those were the two picks for me but ended up buying the Honda at the end and no regrets
Glad you liked it! Yep, either bike is a good choice. The Honda is a lot more modern.
I'd buy another KLR given the cost per smile, love your videos as always.
Thanks so much. You can make a lot of good memories on these bikes.
I have both,although my KLR is a ‘99. I just got home today from a 4000 mile road trip from where I live in central Pennsylvania out to western Kansas and back. Some dirt. I spent some time before I left deciding which bike to take! Ultimately the KLR won out because of its HP and torque advantage. There really is a big difference between the two bikes in that area-certainly loaded with luggage. I noticed that even the wider rear tire (over stock) that I put on the Honda sapped some of its power. I love the bike tho! Very sweet,very smooth and very light! At least compared to the KLR. Enjoyed the vidja as always!
Thanks! Yes, on local rides I'd go with the Honda, but Pennsylvania to Kansas and back, definitely the KLR. I like the older KLRs better because they were much lighter than the current ones.
We just need a CRF450L Rally already. I would buy it in a heartbeat.
With a fuel programer/jet kit, cam, full exhaust system, air intake and high flow filter the 450 really make allot of TQ and smooth power
Problem with the last 450l was High maintenance. It would be good to calm it back & higher service intervals. The 300's suspension needs to be binned but that means Honda would charge heaps again for slower sales (450rl was too expensive in Australia & they ended up discontinuing here 2019
@leanlifter1 rebuild it after 40 hrs too. Humbug
Thanks!
I just noticed this now. Thanks! Much appreciated!
Another well made video, thank you! I spent several days just recently on a friend's KLR and was very pleased to give it a go. Like all have said, 'it does everything...ok' but I'll take my Tenere every time!! 😎
So will I.
If the KLR could lose at least 40 ibs it would be interesting.
In that case DR650 with Acerbis tank and windscreen (just not FI and ABS)
Just replace the muffler and your almost there!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ditch the pipe and catalytic, and there you go.
It is darn fun, though. I’ll still get a Klx300, and would gladly get a CRF300 and CR650 as well
I'm 5'6 5'7ish, I've been on a few dirt bikes, but I've never sized up a KLR. it was really helpful to see someone the same height on one for comparison
Klr 650 . #1 choice for me. Canada
I bought the KLR and love it but will be upgrading to a T7 or the new Honda transalp when Honda decides to release it.
i currently own 3rd Gen KLR 650 been wanting one for years finally got a 2022 last year only has 840 miles on it now looking forward to ride more since the weather is getting warmer 😊
Great comparison. Two of the four bikes Ichy Boots compared before choosing one for her Season Six ride from Ecuador to Alaska. After watching Noraly in Seasons Five and Six drive through Africa, South and Central America, it's hard to think anything but HONDA.😎
Clearly, to me, the best ADV bikes have to be under 480 pounds; ruling out all the pricey BMWs.🤔
Yes, it's hard to ague with lightness and Honda quality.
Honda CRF300L Rally I think is better for me. I'm small 5'8" 150lbs and older 58. But I do like the KLR but I think it's just a little to big for my liking. I grew up on smaller bikes. 100cc to 350cc. That you for the video.
Nice to see this comparison because of the similar purchase price. Even though they are very different, I can still see someone looking at them both.
Recently bought a new ‘22 base model KLR 650 and I absolutely love it!! I ordered all Tusk brand crash bars, soft pannier bags and quick release mounting bracket along with Tusk hand guards . I have a ‘20 Moto Guzzi V85tt adventure but I love that motorcycle more for cruising and the KLR more for gravel and off road . I looked seriously at the Honda 300 rally but the KLR fit my check list better.
Great video! ✌️😁🇺🇸
Great demonstration and a good bit of satire, thank you my friend
For me, the KLR650 is the one. I've owned three different ones in the past and know its capabilities and limitations. And I've got its limitations (too heavy for really rough off road) covered with an XT250 and a CRF250RX. Something better for a 50+ mile commute on country backroads but still capable for the dirt road for me, the KLR650.
Great video !
I am going to continue enjoying my 2014 KLR.
And eventually buy a CRF or a KLX 300.
For the more technical stuff.
Best Wishes from Montana M.H
Good choice! I have a video on the KLX and a comparison of the KLX and the Rally last year.
Great vid.
With decades of riding experience on sportbikes and dirtbikes, these two are the last on my shortlist. I expect I'll get the new KLR adventure, as I want the longer range for travelling, and I'm not a hardcore dirt rider anymore.
The first addition I'l make is a center stand for lubing the chain; on long trips this is mandatory for me.
Just last week I changed both tires on my 2014 KLR. A center stand would be worth its weight in gold. Especially on the trail fixing a flat.
My side stand is too long. So picking parking places is something I have to pay attention to.
A center stand would give you more options.
Best Wishes! M.H
Yep, it was one of the first things I added to my T7. Pain in the butt to install.
I bought a 2000 Honda NX 650, (the old equivalent of the KLR) here in Sicily.
The bike was well received in Europe, but sadly the North American market rejected it after 2 years.
There is a guy from Germany, UA-cam Marc Travels, who took his NX all over Europe
I'm planing to use mine to do something similar.
There are lots of them around in Europe, the same engine is still being used in the XR650, so parts and the Honda dealer network make it a good choice.
Also, it costs lot less than any new bike the same size.
Now that's adventuring on a budget.
Nice! I wish Honda still sold the XR650L in Canada. That’s a bike I would seriously consider.
I've been riding for 57 years, just not so much the last 10. Now it's time to change that! Both the 300 Rally and KLR650 are on my radar. I was glad to hear that FINALLY the KLR has fuel injection! It didn't for a long time! I'll be doing on/off road, but very few, if any trails. We have an old saying in the old guy bike world, "there is no replacement for displacement" LOL Almost twice the CC's makes a big difference! Weight is not as important. The Honda needs upgrading for front/rear suspension just to be a reasonable ride! (Rally Raid?). But, I might change the front wheel on the KLR to 17" or 18" too, to help on the pavement, and add a second disk brake. Other than that, the KLR kills it! It's $7700 out the door (after small discount) in the US I refuse to pay $435 destination charge and $300 surcharge(WTF!), it should be included in the price if they are going to charge extra for it at all. There are a lot of dealers in the US, I will find one to buy at that price. Thanks for your info!! 8) --gary
Thanks for the comment. Yep, the KLR is hard to beat at that price.
I've owned motorcycles all my life. I always thought I was a pretty advanced off-road rider. When I got my KLR I spent countless dollars and hours upgrading the suspension, tires and farkles. The first day I took out to the woods, I hit a small patch of sand, and it promptly dumped me on my... ahh, uhm,.. ego. That KLR is still in the woods to this day, because the cost of the crane to come out and pick it up was more than the bike. Get a CRF300 Rally. You'll be much happier.
Wow, crazy story. It must be somewhere pretty deep to not be worth pulling out.
@@DifferentSpokesTV I didn't want to evict the family of chipmunk's living in it.. jk
@@moemuggy4971 Good man!
Pickup truck with a block and tackle can do alot when it comes to a bike.
Fantastic story. Certainly there's no chance you would have slipped on that patch of sand at the edge of a cliff if you had been riding a 300 rally.
My money is on the Honda. Or the KLX 300 for that matter. Lighter bikes have longer fuel range and they don't break your legs when you drop them on yourself. Unfortunately they lack power on uphills if you weigh over 150lb. But it's an adv bike, it has no business on the highway
My main problem is getting to the trail. There's a long slab haul waiting for me if I want to leave my general area and loading the bike up onto the pickup is a pain in the ass.
I am currently riding a Honda XR150L but when I return to the states I plan on buying the Rally 300. The older I get the benefits of a lighter bike are more appealing.
Yep, for sure. Just rode Brooke’s bike up to the cottage and totally forgot how sporty it feels on the twisty roads.
Great review… I’ve been thinking of the Honda to supplement my F800GS👍
Nice! It's definitely easier to ride off road.
thanks for the comparison! I think the rally would be a better fit for my needs as dirt and gravel at lower speeds will account for most of my miles
Yeah, that's the type of riding we do on it. For the faster stuff I ride my T7 but that thing is a bit of a bear on the tougher trails.
Awesome video. The Honda is pretty sweet. I’m considering selling my Raptor for the 300l Rally.
Here's the deal with the lighter Rally: it can go everywhere the heavier bikes can go, if a little slower on the highways. But the heavier bikes can NOT always go where the lighter bike can go. I got the Rally because I'm going places where I will surely drop it, and I want to be able to pick it up again. The choice was easy. I have a heavy, powerful cruiser for highway riding, but those who ride with me on the their cruisers can never follow me once I take out the little Honda, leave the roads, and head into the mountain trails.
A riding friend has a KLR 650, and while I have a hard time keeping up with him on my Honda when we're on the pavement or the groomed gravel roads, he has a hard time keeping up with me in the technical trails. I've already had to stop, turn around, and help him get his bike up. As for tank range, I can always carry a spare fuel container if the trip calls for it. So the lighter bike is always the more versatile.
Until you do an actual adv ride with luggage onboard going up an incline in the mountains with the bike pinned in 5th with traffic running you over. Don’t understand why people want a 330+lb bike with 286cc 22rwhp. 300L or KLX300 much better options. But to each their own.
I just moved to Mexico this year and my only dealer option is Honda. It's funny here as the CRF300 (or XRE300 as it's known here) is the biggest, baddest bike money can buy. Ordered mine today.
Another helpful video, thank you. I gotta say, I appreciate your guitar work. The old Sasuke theme from Naruto???
Great video, good comparison 👍
Thanks! 👍
I have a 300 rally, tires are the secret, it is a bad ass non Hy light mx/55 mph high speed in town bike with good street tires, it is increasable. I ride in rush hour traffic for fun on my days off. To light for higher hy speeds and with a 84mph top end stock. It's great for 55mph speed limits, that gives you still some passing/avoidance Tork. I love this bike
Good review. One thing you didn't cover as perhaps it is not an issue where you live but in my neck of the woods if you want to go down to the local dealer and pick up one of this bikes and ride it home the KLR is the only answer. CRF Rallies are few and far between around these parts with most folks having to just put down a deposit and wait 6 months, or more, to get it.
That's unfortunately a common theme these days. Supply chain issues are a problem everywhere. We waited for our Rally for three months.
After experiencing trails/dirt on a small XT225, I put in an order for a 23’ 300L Rally.
Hey, I started out last December on a CT125 thinking I wanted a little bike to take with me and the family camping. The little Ct is amazing but I got bit by the motorcycle bug and now I am on the list for the rally at my local dealership.
Recommend you pass on the rally. Heavy, plasticy, and hard to find.
I think the Honda might be a good city bike. Jumping over curbs and crossing pothole hell! Ripping from one traffic jam to the next and winding through the cars while being high enough to see over the traffic.
I put a deposit on a 22 300 Rally but my dealer had all 6 they had on order canceled. Thought about a KLR but had a first gen but found it to heavy and the 22 is even heavier so it’s out. Just have to wait and hopefully a 23 crf shows up 🤨
I would go for the CRF300L Rally. Why? I’ve own a KLR, DR, DRZ and XT225. I had the must fun off road with the XT.
Yes, I like the XTs. They're great trail bikes.
Think I'd be more comfortable with the KLR, in Southern California I'm always having to work my lil 883 Sportster because people fly out here on the highway. Also our yearly winds do toss around lighter motorcycles like the R3 I had previously. Kinda annoyed that the KLR doesn't have a tachometer.
That is weird not to have a tach these days. The Honda has one as well as a gear indicator. The KLR is definitely the better bike at hight speeds though.
I doubt the klr will be faster than a 883
@Orange Crush Google is your friend: 2021 883 Iron, 49 hp and 54 lb-ft of torque.
If the KLR had port injection and a tach id have one in my shed now. Im sticking to my gen 1 for now.
Yeah, the gen 1 is my favourite. I like the 417lb weight.
Great review, very enjoyable
Call me crazy but I think I would rather have a klr over the 25k bmw. I wouldn’t be concerned about dumping it.
Same here. Fixing an R1250GSA would hurt the wallet.
There is also to much electronics on the BMW. And if you have any trouble it is hard to find a BMW dealership in Kirgisistan, Bolivia or Morocco. But they are getting as complicated as modern cars. If you want to go on a big trip keep it simple.
I also like the Himalayan. For a little bit more money I would get the Ténéré.
With those two I would pick the Rally.
I was searching Google for a head to head comparison of these two bikes about 3 days ago. Nothing came up I was surprised. Yours just popped up for me today. Just what I was hoping for! Excellent job in pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of each model. But to be honest I still don't know which one makes the most sense for me. There are trade offs either way. The only way I could be completely satisfied is with either a 40hp CRF or a 350lb KLR. Then it would only be a choice of which color I could live with: green or red 🤔 Like choosing a burrito 🌯
Thanks! Another bike to check out is the DR650 if they sell them where you are. Plenty of power but we’ll under 400lbs. Good luck with your search.
Nice comparison, over time I think I’ve found the best of most worlds while still coming in way under BMW price tag. I use KLR for long Hwy rides / light off road and Beta 430RRS on truck rack for camping / exploring or serious off road. Beta’s 250 lb weight with beastly power is hard to match, it’s dirt bike with blinkers. Honda too underpowered for me would need a second one just for my beer belly.
I think everyone who likes Hondas wants a 500, not a 300cc bike. The engine out of the CBR500r in a beefed up CRF300 frame would be perfect.
47 hp or so and quite light for a twin. Give it a 270 degree crank like the Africa Twin and Honda will have back orders for years.
Great comparison, one that was much needed!
Glad it was helpful!
Love my 23 KLR Adventure, but looking to get a 24 KLX300 or maybe CRF300 as well.
I am more then willing to buy which ever is available
I've got a 2004 KLR 650 with 43,000 miles on it. I love it ! I'm wondering if it's time to downsize and modernize.
That's true, Kawasaki does not bring its new KLR to quite many places where it may be really desired. While Yamaha is selling its T7 everywhere! I think, this is a major mistake of Kawasaki.
Yes, and that's also true for the KLX300 which is not available in Australia and Europe I think.
Klx300 is here, unless they discontinued it? Australia
Yes, I would choose the KLR. Big tank, and good on most surfaces is good enough for me. Unfortunately I live in Sweden and they don´t sell it here. Even very old ones (there are some) sell for ridiculous prices. From Honda my choice would be the CB500X, that ticks my boxes quite well. Also very hard to find a decent one, especially with the bigger front wheel. And for a new one, to be delivred 2022 I would have needed to place an order in december last year. So my old Vulcan will continue to serve me indefinitely...
Yes, Kawasaki is missing out on the Euro market with these bikes which seem perfect for the continent.
Assuming it does not pass our emission requirements.
@@pu11y That's probably it.
The Honda, no contest.
Funnily, two years after my previous comment on this video, I haven't yet purchased an adventure bike, and these two are still the two at the top of the list, even with the Cfmoto 450mt having been introduced in Canada -- it looks great, but the fuel range and economy isn't as much as I want. Now I'm leaning towards the crf300 rally, though I'm interested in seeing the revised 2025 ktm 390 adventure.
Using Itchy Boots may not be the best recommendation. Remember she broke her last Honda in half with only about 5 kg of fuel on the back. Maybe not the best subframe.
Yep, and the new one is welded on instead of bolted on so even worse. However, Brooke and I have ridden two up on ours and it survived so it doesn’t appear to be an issue.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Judging by pictures alone the new frame looks sturdier to me. ItchyBoots has done thousands of miles since now, with way more than 5kg on the back I think, and no problems. Let's hope it won't be an issue anymore.
Awesome video!
What do you think about DR650 vs these two?
Now that is what should have been compared too. Even the 400 vs 300 would be ok
The Honda will run wide open across country no issues they have a good design.
Nice vid and I enjoy your real world, normal guy point of view. There are some of us out here, that want light, reliable and simple adv bike. The price point is not the primary consideration and I think you concentrated on that bit too much. For me the Rally is the only bike that fits this bill. The Honda has comically poor suspension, basic static/rider sag can't be set with factory springs and the dampening is beyond soft. The displacement/power is limited by it being an Asian derived model, here 250 cc is a limit, so we don't get the extra bump in displacement with the updated bike. Other than that, for real world adventure rides or the around the world trip, its the perfect bike.
I have a Gen 2 KLR and it's a great all-around bike. I'd still like a CRF for throwing around on the trails, though.
The Honda just a Honda fan boy
Yep, my wife is a Honda fan girl. I like them too. Stay tuned for the Grom and Africa Twin tests coming up soon.
Good video
Thanks for the visit!
I’ve been meaning to ask; is that you playing slide guitar on the intro? That’s one of my weaknesses as a guitarist. I struggle with playing slide guitar.
really should include yours and hers inseam measurements to get a better idea of height issues
I would have liked the Tiger 660 be force-evolutioned into a offroad beast in Hinckley's labs.
I grew fond of the three cyclinder bikes.
But I have not ridden a Tiger Scramber 1200 yet. They have not developed it into a crazed horse power monster, but gave those cam shafts a more low to medium torque timing.
I was lucky to have once found a manual, which describes how you can take any engine and what makes it either a high rev sport bike or a slow torque monster.
I envy your opportunities to ride offroad, I mentioned it a couple times, Germany is tightly populated and I would not want to violate few spots of environmental protection for those few wild animals by entering with a noisy bike.
Would love to hear what you have to say about the Zero Fx.
great vidéos, quick question. I haven't drove a bike since 1995 and I was looking for a Adventure bike to mostly go to work with and be able to go offroad. I way 216lb and I am 6ft. I am a big Mountain bike rider, so was looking for something handles the same but with a motor and better then a moped to save gas and mileage on my truck. 😁. so with this informations here is my question. Is the Honda CRF300L Rally strong enough for me or should I go with the KLR? Thanks
Hello motor mice, nice comparison of both bikes, compliments!
If anybody realy wants to know about the CRF300, then you have to watch " ITCHY BOOTS" , because now she is doing her 6th world travel journey, now from South America - Alaska on a CRF300. She loves to ride off road with full pack! This is the ultimate test for her an her bike. I only have 'respect' for what she is doing and if you will follow her, then you allso get more respect!! Enjoy!!
Less offroad: but more about touring the world, you might have allready spotted Kinga Tanajwska's channel ONHERBIKE. She started from Australia without a destination in 2017.
She must be a taller chick, since an F800GS is usually not suited for a shorter rider.
I hit a deer on my klr650 and totalled it, so I immediately found out how difficult it was to lift it back up especially if I was to ever go solo, so for that reason I'm going with the crf300l rally, huge weight difference between the two, I liked my klr but it sure doesn't inspire confidence going alone on off road trips.
I'm in Vancouver BC, looking for an entry level adventure bike. I'm 195lbs, 5'8" and an experienced rider but little off road skills. I'll have to travel highways to get to decent off road adventures. I'm leaning more towards the KLR because of the highway comfort, but love the look of the Honda. The Tenere would be ideal but I can't justify the costs yet. I've taken big road trips on a Ninja 300 so smaller HP/CC is not a huge concern to me. Either way Ill end up with upgraded suspension in the future. I have friends riding GS's, 1190 adventures and KLRs so I also don't want to get left too far behind...which would you suggest ? Should I test ride them both (possibly a RE himalayan also) and see which I like more ?
Hi. Can you tell me, please, where is the place filmed? 1:30 on the video
Have the KTM 390 Adventure for road and will do more off road then the KLR 650 and about the same power, also love my DR650 use as a true 50/50 bike but did go with a 20 liter gas tank, My Honda CRF 300 L at the dealer shop being set up for 90 % off road. Dunlop D606 rear and Pirelli M16 front and upping the rear sprocket to a 45 tooth also getting better handle bars, hand guards and bash plate, also putting a rear tack to carry extra gas. The small gas tank on the 300 L is its draw back. And do not say get the rally they are 2 different bikes.
so the klr650 is the dude bike and cfr300 the girl bike?
You should have compared it to the Royal Enfield Himalayin. Neither is flashy, overly powerful...but are set up similarly.
When did Ryan F9 get a blonde ponytail?
The ultimate poor boy special is the XR 650L bullet proof!
Ah yes, my “stocks” I definitely have.
Good time to buy, not to sell right now.
“hello yes NYSE? I’d like one stock please.”
“Yes I am an adult why do you ask?”
Going off road where I live requires an air boat. The everglades don't support bikes very well.
I don't like the plastics on the front side of the tank. Could they have made the KLR look slim like the AT, T7 or Tuareg
I think they were going for weather protection. Plus, that big tank makes the bike wider.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Yes it's definitely the big tank. Old design - function over form
the ralley is much lighter, putting a 45 hp bike vs 27 to 28 hp honda klr weighs alot more maybe 100 lbs more
Have you ridden the versys 300X? iI seems the in between of these two
the versys 300X also has 40 HP
I was looking at buying one but the clearance is a worry & didn't buy.
The Suspension on the versys is good. If you're hoping over lots of logs you might get hung up. But for most "adventure" riders the clearance would be enough.
try to keep it more even 300l vs maybe royal enfield hemalayin
Battle of the Budget Bikes ;-)
Hey, if the Honda is good enough for Noraly at Itchy Boots, it's good enough for anyone. (And she's riding it HARD.) Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Hey! I wrote this before i watched the whole video, and before I saw your mention of Noraly, so we're all on the same wave length. Cheers.
I wonder why Kawasaki has not fixed the dojo Ku or added a sixth gear to the KLR650?
Because if they go off from original design they have to update to Europe emissions and safety like abs & all the other power sapping stuff needed
It certainly doesn't make sense to ride a $30K bike thousands of miles through 3rd world countries where parts, service, high octane gasoline and protection from thievery may be scarce.
Even Itchy Boots found that tires for her Honda CRF300L were hard to find in Mexico, and that a 300cc bike was considered a "big bike" by locals. Fitting in with the local conditions seems to work out best for adventure riding.
I agree Dave. Maybe she should only buy a bike on arrival in the country where she starts her trip, like she did in South Africa. What do you think would be the ideal bike she should have chosen for her current South America to Alaska trip?
@@DaveZee01 - Considering her needs of light weight, soft luggage, ubiquity of dealers, gas mileage, I think she has chosen well for her current trip. My only reservations are about highway/freeway travel in the US on a 300cc bike.
Yes, in a lot of countries the Rally is a big, fancy, expensive bike. It stands out in places where the typical motorcycle is 150cc.
After watching Itchy Boots dragging her bike out of those mud holes I think the weight is the deciding factor unless you always ride with others.
Listen to the pro: Itchy Boots got the CRF, Noraly knows. KLR is very uncomfortable.
if honda had better brakes and ~500cc engine, i would have bought honda instead of stepping up to tenere. kawasaki not available here, but i dont know if i would buy it anyway, wouldnt want to reward their laziness
Your wrong about the mileage of the crf rally . There is a video that showed the crf went farther than the klr . They went through the desert and the only bike that made it without adding more gas was the crf rally . It went over 240 miles and the klr didn't make it much over 200 miles . They were riding side by side . There were a few other bikes in the test and they ran out of gas a lot sooner but the rally was the clear winner .
Meh i think Värmland, Venice, Venman Bushland (yes i had to look up 3rd) might also be nice to travel to or Tatry, Taranaki, Tin-Toumma Desert, or any given town you like .P
Still if you want to go out motorbiking than it might aswell be gorgeous place yea? all those are great.
now that my brain is done ratting on irrelevant subject please enjoy the review of gorgeous bikes.
We've cycled in the Tatry. Hiked up to Morskie Oko, then rode to Krakow. Beautiful experience. Would be fun to motorcycle as well.