John Balliol: Magnate, King Prisoner
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Let’s take a look at John Balliol, King of Scots….
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From the Seton Armorial, John Balliol and his wife (1591). Scanned from Four Gothic Kings, Elizabeth Hallam, ed.
Great Cause family tree 1291 created by Czar Brodie (2009).
Lerwick Town Hall stained glass window depicting "Margaret, Queen of Scotland and daughter of Norway". Colin Smith / The Maid of Norway / CC BY-SA 2.0.
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John Balliol unkinged from the Forman Armorial, produced for Mary, Queen of Scots (1562). Held by the National Library of Scotland, Adv.MS.31.4.2, fol.4r.
A replica of the Stone of Scone at Scone Palace photographed by sarniebill1 (27 April 2009).
Coronation Chair with Stone of Scone, Westminster Abbey. Coronation chair date: 1307 Photograph date: ca. 1875-ca. 1885. From the collection of A. D. White Architectural Photographs, Cornell University Library Accession Number: 15/5/3090.00976.
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Quoted texts:
G. P. Stell, ODNB entry on John Balliol.
Also consulted, were:
Other relevant entries from The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography Online.
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Scottish history has always been a gap in my knowledge. Thanks for your hard work and lucid explanation.
A gap in mine as well. Great video. More Scottish history videos please!
If I may suggest a channel, Scottish history tours. It’s all about Scottish history, complete with Scottish accent and some lovely scenery shots.
I agree with everyone in that we'd like to hear more of Scottish history. 🏰🇬🇧
I had heard of Balliol College Oxford, but I didn't know it was named for this man's family. Thank you. Another great presentation.
I confess I knew it from Lord Peter books!
Thanks Dr Kat. Please can you do more on Scottish History - I know very little about it.
@kathyjohnson2043 Same!
(I remember from Murder Must Advertise, with the cricket match where Lord P though undercover revealed the form and skill he had displayed in his youth. Some old boy remembered him... read them in my teens. So many passing references to the oldest English literature that you recognize later.)
The family tree shown made my head spin. 😵💫 Great video!
Thank you, Dr. Kat for making English/British history so accessible. Your presentations are most engaging. I'm in the States, but my paternal grandparents are originally from Manchester. I am a great Anglophile, and yours is my go-to history channel. ❤
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I am an American with 7/8th English, 1/8th Scottish ancestry. I know far more English history than Scottish and would like to know more about my Scottish heritage. I know very little about the history of my own country, other than pre colonial and colonial history. I attribute it to the skill of British writers. In your case, Dr. Kat, you bring history alive. Thanks! 💙🏴🇬🇧🇺🇸💙
I think this is a interesting rags to riches/power and loss thereof. He was a 4th son of a nobleman, who then becomes the heir of those lands, and then becomes the king of Scotland, and the lost of all of that. An unlikely main character of Scottish history. 👑🏌♀
Hello, Dr. Kat. I really enjoy your channel. You pointed out that John Balliol's wife was Isabel de Warrenne, but it's her ancestor, Elizabeth Vermandois, that I would love to see a video about. It's been popular over the past few years to talk and write about women in the Middle Ages who are noteworthy, and this lady has definitely been under everyone's radar, it seems. She's the descendant of several of the most influential royal families in European history, and the ancestor of many English noble families, and two Scottish kings. She's one of these people who didn't set out to be involved in history making endeavors, but because of the decisions made for her, and decisions of her own, she has a place in history, even if it's an indirect one.
Yes! I have not heard of her but would like to know more. I googled and there is some Wikipedia stuff among a few other sites but, Wikipedia? C'mon.
I had heard of John Balliol as King of Scotland but only vaguely. Thank you for providing a more in depth history, especially as it provided further insight into the back and forth of English/Scots relations. 👑👑
I’m a fan of historical movies so I knew about the history surrounding John Balliol from The Outlaw King & Robert the Bruce movies.Thank you for your superb video so I can sort the drama from the facts 👑🤴🤺
I grew up near ‘Barney’ was really interesting to listen to some of the history of this area 😊
Things seem so absolutely wild back then; fascinating too!
Recently read “A Great and Terrible King” by Marc Morris. Thanks for your interpretation! 🫅
Oh this is so great. I am sorely lacking in Irish and Scottish history knowledge
🏰I love learning about topics you share and appreciate learning about things I didn't know about! Happy Friday Dr. Kat!
I have a few of these people in my ancestry. Hawise(Alice)deBalliol married Sir William de Bertram 2nd Baron of Mitford. She was the daughter of Guy de Balliol.
The 2 deBertram brothers came with the Conqueror and one brother continued with the Bertram name (Mitford branch)and one became the deFelton branch. I can’t say much about the Mitford branch other than what a disaster that family became in later generations (the notorious Mitford sisters) but the Felton branch had some incredible people and stories related to them,including Barons,Knights,Bible translators,composers,bishops ,martyrs and the assassin of the Duke of Buckingham. Some of them were also involved with the most historic battles in history including,Sterling bridge,Bannockburn,Poitiers,Crecy,Calais and many others. One was the principal witness to the marriage of the Black Prince to Joan of Kent and was with the prince on his Spanish campaign and was taken prisoner by Henry of Trastamaras in 1367. He also accompanied John of Gaunt in an attack on Mount Paon.
Another one was Admiral of England,held lands for Henry Percy,was keeper of Alnwick castle,taken prisoner by the Scots in 1317 , was constable of New Castle on Tyne,keeper of Ellesmere castle and was granted for life the castle of Lyonshall in county Hereford where he sustained a siege by the Queens party directed by John Chandos.
Fascinating people and events!
There are also some of the other names in the family tree that you used in the video that are connected to this family including de Warrene and a couple others I need to check further into.
I love learning about my family connections to history and all the incredible historical events they were involved in or connected to! Thank you Dr.Kat for all your hard work making these videos for us! I would love to have you do a video on the Felton/Bertram family and all the things in English/Scottish history that they were involved in.
Lovely dress, this shade of green and the sleeve details suit you very well!
Brava! 👏👏👏👏❤️❤️🤴
Very interesting, as always 🙂 Ed 1 was a piece of work, wasn't he. John got rather lucky in a lot of ways. Being sent to your other mansion in France is a lot of people's dream, lol. Not as good as being king, i suppose, but better than Ed Jr's removal from kingship and the census, even if you discount the poker. 'Course, John seems to have been a bit better at his job than Ed 2.
Dang it, i missed the live again!
Goodness, I have missed you!!! Come on YT I need more of Dr. Cat !! I love her !
Thanks Dr Kat 🏰🧲
Wow! I never knew about King John of the Scots. What a wonderful video! Thanks, Dr. Kat!! 🏰🏴🤴
Great story Dr Kat. Thank you.
I see similarity in how Elizabeth tried to honor Mary of Scots and leave her a decent life. Seems there was a code of respect and rights, even toward an enemy troublemaker.
I agree with other people please can we have more Scottish history as I utterly loved this one. Also could we please have some Irish history but before the troubles as all you hear about Irish history is the troubles and the fight for independence when Ireland has an incredible history
Love your content! Thanks For this!❤❤❤😊😊
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🏴👑great info about this period of Scottish history
I had never heard of this political situation. Fascinating. Nice to know how the "Auld Alliance" began.
I’m so happy that you have explained this so thoroughly and clearly.
many many thanks,
dr, proffessor kat marchant...
in totally agreement with nathan amin...
scottish , welsh & irish history deserves its more attention and we need too know a lot more,
the plantagenet, tudor period in wales & ireland need more recognition...
i only recently heard about the dark night podcast, its hysterical...and very good... :)
new dr kat video means immediate serotonin 🫶🫶
Yes, please - more history of Scotland please!
Look forward to this video ❤
Those family trees, and your explanations, were very helpful in my understanding all these different claimants. Cheers
👑Had never heard of John. Thanks Dr. Kat!
Always fascinating 👍
Thanks so much for expanding our knowledge!⚔
I really wish you do a video on Sir Ralph Sadleir.
As always , thank you! 👍
A very well presented insight about a rather under-studied historical figure. Well done, Dr Kaat. 👏👏
Thanks for the video Kat! 🐎🤴
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Fascinating and entertaining. You always delight this closet medievalist! BRAVA Dr Kat.
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I need to watch History News again. I've grown tired of drinking alone.🍜⚜🎠
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Thank you 🙏🏻 for this very interesting filling in of the details of this man at the fulcrum of Scotland’s worst succession crisis, and how it served to blight the reputation of one of England’s mightiest warrior kings, Edward Longshanks. Not much is ever said of him other than how he was used by Edward as part of his power mad attempt to gain control of Scotland. What a dreadful time of it he had trying to fulfil his duty as King of Scotland and repeatedly checked at every turn and ultimately humiliated by this power hungry King who kept Balliol under his thumb. There was a certain justice that the descendants of Bruce ultimately also succeeded to the throne of England, which was also justified by the Scottish kings’ superior descent from St Margaret, the last known member of the House of Wessex and wife of Scottish king Malcolm Canmore.
Their son David went on to become King and ancestor of the kings of Scotland, as opposed to the English Kings who descended from St Margaret from the marriage of her younger daughter Maud to William the Conqueror’s son Henry I
When James VI became James I of England he brought that superior blood claim through his descent from King David, not just Henry VIII’s older sister, the other Margaret who would become Queen of Scotland. It’s also the reason why the press claim that that Australian guy descended from the man who would be King if Richard’s very dubious accusation that his elder brother Edward IV was indeed illegitimate is irrelevant. It doesn’t really matter, because his claim is still inferior to the Stuart kings in terms of their descent from St Margaret’s son King David.
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I do not think the claim that Edward IV was secretly married to Eleanor an Earl’s daughter, before he married Elizabeth Woodville., was all that .dubious.. The accounts of the story say that Edward also swore the Priest and witnesses @ his marriage to Elizabeth to secrecy. it was a Bishop who performed the marriage to Eleanor, and he was also sworn to secrecy. it seemd that Edward, being a powerful nobleman used the secret marriage ploy, to satisfy his desire for the Ladies who refused to bed him before marriage.. and he was a notorious womanizer after his marriage to Elizabeth. when he died, suddenly, the Bishop, came forward with the truth Now, the Catholic Faith, takes very seriously te commandements of God. “thou shalt not bear false witness” ie tell a lie. it is a Mortal Sin and can send a soul to hell if not confessed and atoned for before death. it is to be expected that Priests are sworn to strictly keep secrets.. , so it was a very serious matter for the Bishop to betray that secret marriage. That was bad enough but to willingly tell a whopper of a lie is even a more serious. matter, and a mortal sin for sure. the lady Eleanor had withdrwn to a convent when Edward did not ackowlege thier marriage, but she had died some time before Edward died. However, that did not make hiis marriage to Elizabeth valid. The whole matter depended upon the character of the Bishop at the time and it still does today. Was he telling the truth? I, personallly have great res pect for Priests and Bishops and Cardinals in the Church. There are some who are bad, but most are true and holy men of God. ✝️🙏😇
@@prarieborn6458 and yet none of this tittle tattle came up until after Edward’s death. And how extraordinarily convenient for Richard III that this accommodating priest brought forward this tale so Richard could use it to bastardise his brother’s children who stood ahead of him in the succession. What a coincidental piece of good luck for him. The thing that adds to the stink of all this gossip is when Richard overplayed his hand by stretching credulity to breaking point by having it put about that his mother Cicely had conceived Edward with an archer, suggesting that his birth date could not accord with the period his father was away when Edward would have had to have been conceived. She, unhappily was still alive when these tales were circulated as it happened. I imagine she rued the day she’d ever given birth to her youngest son. Richard was just a vile on the take scumbag at a time of escalating internecine family warfare for the English throne.
And by the way, the claim was not that Edward had married Eleanor Butler, but that they were ‘precontracted’ to marry. Strange that she went on to marry herself without ever referring to this supposed previous engagement.
@@prarieborn6458 could it be that's because it pleases you to believe it. What accounts are you referencing? I know of no source that makes the claim that Edward actually married Butler. The priest you referenced only claimed that they had precontracted to marry. And despite going to all the trouble of bringing this out the priest seemed fine with keeping quiet through all the years of Edward and Elizabeth's marriage. But then after Edward's death it suddenly becomes important? For whom? Meanwhile, Richard intercepted his nephew on his way to London to be crowned, took custody of him and took him to the Tower with several of Edward V's entourage killed in this operation. THEN this priest starts spreading this story about the marriage precontract. Richard has others do his dirty work but he doesn't contest these stories, he remains silent. Interesting that. He got just what he deserved on Bosworth Field.
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🏰Thanks for the explanation! Would love to learn more about Scottish history.
Absolutely brilliant. My maiden name is Common and we can trace our family back to this period of history and the de Comyns red and blacks. I have discovered that they were connected to the Balliol family through marriage so to hear about this time is so valuable. I also heard that Robert the Bruce killed one of the de Comyns. If you were able to point me in the direction for further research, I'd be most grateful. This was a wonderful video. Thank you.
Very interesting thank you😊
great video
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Definitely more Scottish History please. All anyone seems to know are Robert The Bruce and Mary Queen of Scots. We have such a rich and fascinating history 🦄🏴🦄
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About Edward I, I read that in his youth, he was vey much in love with his wife, Elizabeth. She gave him 12 children.When she died, he made a Funeral progress through the realm, with her casket, stopping at every town. for ceremonies, and Masses said for her soul. Afterwards he erected large stone crosses in every place they stopped. they were called “Chere Reign Crosses”. meaning the “Beloved Queen” over the years it has come to be spoken as “Charing Cross” Remember the nursery rhyme “Ride a cock-horse to Banbury Cross… “ meaning the Chere Reign Cross @ Banbury. these crosses still exist today, although some are broken, the base and the partial lower limb of the crosses still remain. They say Edward was wild with grief when she died., poetic justice ?✝️👑🕯️🕯️🥀🥀💦💔
He was married to Eleanor of Castile.
I thought her name was Isabella.
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Would you ever consider making a video on William Wallace?
How did Balliol College get its name?
Super curious...when did the phrase "the (king/queen) is dead, long live the (king/queen). It is such a prolific statement in all televised renditions that the first person to address the new monarch makes this statement. Is it as old as the monarchy (when the witan was abolished) or is this more medieval onward? Is it even possible to discover this?
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We definitely don’t spend enough attention to Scottish history. Most of this is presented as part of Edward III story instead of a history on its own. But Scottish history is full of drama and interesting characters. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that a certain popular fantasy dynastic drama borrows a lot of Scottish history… 🏰🗡️👑
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2:54 -- What is "bayul inur" or Balliol Imur". Sorry I couldn't quite understand what was said.
Did don't catch that?
Balliol in Vermer or Wormur?, I thought. In Picardy, in France anyway. A French holding of the family. (Edited to correct location name).
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"Tomb Tabard" = "Empty Circuit"??
American, here. Sorry for asking. However I still don't quite get what either one of these phrases actually means it doesn't have any meaning in turn for me being from America. Can anyone explain either of those phrases further? Thank you
@manuellubian5700 it's probably "surcoat" so "Empty Surcoat": surcoatn 14:21 defined as "A coat worn over the other garments; especially, the long and flowing garment of knights, worn over the armor, and frequently emblazoned with the arms of the wearer" ( American Heritage definition, ironically). So casting aspersions on his lineage or bravery or something like that, I suppose. Likely a huge insult in his crowd.
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I get so sick of “Kings” who have no compunction about lying and breaking their word! All those young men who died for the ego of King John for a month more of being a monarch is just stupendously stupid!👑
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I found this interesting as I am descended from the (unethical) Robert du Bruce.
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