What happens if you use beeswax instead of emulsifying wax
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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THE FAIL RECIPE IN THE VIDEO (don't make this!)
73g | 2.5oz water
2g | 0.07oz vegetable glycerin
5g | 0.17oz shea butter
14g | 0.49oz sunflower oil
6g | 0.21oz beeswax
COMPLETE EMULSIFYING WAXES + INCIs
Emulsimulse INCI: Glyceryl Stearate, Cetearyl Alcohol, and Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate
Polawax INCI: Cetearyl Alcohol, PEG-150 Stearate, Polysorbate 60, and Steareth-20
BTMS-50 INCI: Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Cetyl Alcohol, Butylene Glycol
Emulsifying Wax NF INCI: Cetostearyl Alcohol and Polysorbate 60
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Thank you for completely explaining the differences in waxes and the result that happens when you use them incorrectly. I have watched many many lotion videos and you are the first to actually explain the process. I am new at the process and could not figure out why my lotions would break down halfway through the process. So once again, thank you and great video. :)
No worries! I know this can be a really common pitfall for new makers and it's always so disappointing to have a recipe fail and not know why! Happy making :D
Lecithin works as an emulsifer and is more natural than the emulsifiers you listed.
While lecithin definitely can work as an emulsifier in very specific formulas, it is a different type of emulsifier (water in oil vs oil in water) and produces dramatically different lotions. It wouldn't work in this formula, either.
Thank you for pointing out that although you can not use beeswax in place of ewax that there are some recipes that do use beeswax as the emulsifier. In those recipes you have to be careful to not over beat the ingredients as you show here. It reminds me of whipping cream. If you over beat cream the liquids and fat start to separate out and you get butter. Same thing happened in your demo here. Over beating and the fat and liquid separated.
What you're saying really doesn't mesh with my experience and knowledge of emulsifiers. This lotion split because it did not contain a proper emulsifier-the amount of beating had no impact. Feel free to try it yourself and see if you get a different result with different beating! I would be very interested to hear your results. In lotions that do use the beeswax/borax emulsifier (www.humblebeeandme.com/diy-lotion/) a large amount of powerful mixing is highly necessary; I have to use a full blender, not just a stick blender, and for much longer of a blending time than seen here. I've tried it with less and the emulsion didn't survive 24 hours!
Cielle Backstrom I've had several lotion recipes that use beeswax and they all say, in Capitol letters, "do not over beat" and "do not use hand mixers". They always say beat gently with wisk or spoon. The few times I tried with my hand mixer were total disasters.
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Pls whats the link for your e-book
I would love to buy the book where can i?
Just gonna say another way to explain is is emulsify means binding water to oil. And emulsifier has the chemical property to attach to both oil and water. Beeswax don't have this property, chemically. However it may appear to work with little water in a thick cream but that's not true emulsion, its just forming some sort whipped cream effect , and over-time it will change texture as there was no emulation - tried it with aloe vera gel before, it's still a good body butter tho it can last for like a month and of course depends on the recipe.
A great point, and if I was to make this video again today I would 100% include this info! There are SO many things I would've said if I hadn't made this video within my first few months on UA-cam, ha. I had no idea this would be so controversial lol. Have you checked out the blog post from Formula Botanica linked in the bio? It's great!
What you are doing is NOT an emulsion, it is a mix.
An emulsion is when you add incompatible materials slowly together while mixing constantly,
like mayonnaise where you start with the egg and then real slow add the oil to it while mixing it.
... that is quite literally the entire point of the video. I removed the emulsifier and replaced it with something that is not an emulsifier (a swap that people constantly ask me about making) to demonstrate that removing the emulsifier causes the emulsion to fail.
Have you ever tried using both e-wax AND beeswax? Funny because most water based pomade recipes call for water, e-wax AND beeswax. It's just like making a simple lotion only adding beeswax. I believe the beeswax keeps it firm. I've been doing a ton of research this weekend and will be testing this tonight...hmmm maybe I should film it. 🤔
Yup-it can create a fairly sticky/tacky finish as well as a thicker final product. www.humblebeeandme.com/crazy-hair-pudding/
Oh wow...this is so similar to a pomade recipe. Awesome thanks!
I experimented using beeswax and it works beautifully. Need to ensure oil and water phase ingredients are at room temperature (meaning the oil phase ingredients already solidly from beeswax) and whip both vigorously using powerful blender or food processor.
Thank you for saving me time and money!! I love that you actually made the "lotion" so we can all see why we can't use the natural waxes.
People keep putting up recipes, I suppose, doing the same thing as this, and, it's not lotion-its cream and it doesn't absorb well. Thanks for explaining. Videos like yours, where you explain, is very helpful.
Thanks for watching!
I just foundyournwonderful videos - they are great because you take the time to explain the characteristics if the ingredients ands that gives this viewer the infomI need to make informed choices in using the recipes. I started looking around for a hand and body cream because as I've gotten older, the skin on my legs has thinned and is scaly and no amount of commercial,products work - except petroleum jelly. I'm going to now visit your website for a she's butter because as you clearly explained in a previous video, this is really good for dry skin.
I just want to thank you again for your generosity in taking the time to make these videos!
Wanda
Thanks so much, Wanda! It's always lovely when my attempts to be thorough are appreciated as more often than not people complain that I talk too much :P Happy making!
The technique here is a bit off as you can get a beautiful cream/lotion using beeswax. As mentioned already in the comments. The oil and wax mixture needs to cool slightly and then drizzle in water mixture and use a small hand whisk. After about 4-5 minutes you will have a beautiful lotion or cream. The problem comes later when the emulsion will after a week or so under different temperatures start to separate out. A bit disappointing the route here is more trying to disprove beeswax as having any credibility in creams and lotions.
If you use an added emulsifier (sodium borate) the beeswax should work just as well.
Yes but this video is about how beeswax is not a complete emulsifier. Plus, borax is terrible for the skin.
I know im a year late tk the conversation but I also make my own stuff with only bees wax.
Here is one of my healing balm recipies.
1 part bees wax to 6 parts calendula oil.
Heated together, double boiler style.
Make strong chamomile tea, measure out 12 parts tea and add 1 part vegetable glycerine (while keeping oil on heat, and with still very hot tea) mix tea into the oil slowly while stirring, best to add a little and combine, then add more, each addition can get larger as you go.
Only take off the heat once fullly combined. Keep stirring while cooling. Add scent.
Id probably get a blender for the job but i only make 100ml once a year.
Hey! PLEASE make sure you are including a proper broad spectrum preservative at the required rate or this will be downright unsafe to use in a matter of days. You can learn more here: makingskincare.com/preservatives/
@@HumblebeeAndMe It will be unsafe even if you refrigerate?
This comment was supposed to be attached to the Video on why Beeswax shouldn't be used because it's an incomplete emulsifier. Sorry
Thanks for that valuable information! That has happened to me in previous recipes and I wondered why! I have since started using BTMS 50 and E-Wax NF which I get from Lotioncrafter; but I did not know why my previous recipes did not work. Now I know. Happy dance!
I appreciate the research that you do and the knowledge and tips that you share. There is so much misinformation on the internet. I get so mad (I jump around like rumplestiltskin) when I hear people repeat the incorrect information that Vit E and Grapefruit essential oil are preservatives. Vit. E is an anti-oxidant and is surely needed to keep the oils from going rancid more quickly, but it's not a preservative. And I know that they are just repeating what they have heard other people state on the internet. You have to do your own research people!
But there is so much I don't know, so thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge and your wonderful recipes. You are a doll! I cannot wait to try your Snow White lip stain. I am an old nerd and hate applying lipstick. And I have pre-ordered your book. WooHoo!
Thanks, Holly! I have even met "professional" formulators (people selling their stuff at fairs and what not) claiming that they "preserve" with vitamin E and that just makes my blood boil. This hobby, moreso than many others, seems to have people selling their wares within a month of making their first lip balm and that's pretty scary, especially considering their potential customers/victims don't know any better. Ich!
That's more a body butter instead of a lotion
So does that mean that you need separate, specific emulsifying waxes for creams and lotions? If that's the case, what emulsifying waxes are suitably used for creams and what's suitable for lotions? I love your content. Thank you so much :)
No, not usually. You can drastically impact the consistency of your emulsion by altering the size of the oil phase, so if you make something with a 15% oil phase it will be thinner, and something with a 25% oil phase will be much heavier/thicker. Most emulsifying waxes can handle that range of oil phase sizes. Some don't do well with an oil phase above 30%, but be sure to check with your suppliers for your specific ewax :)
Hopefully not a dumb question but why do you even need the water part? I've never used water in any of my lotion/salve recipes.
The whole point of this product is that it's an emulsion, which requires a water part. 100% anhydrous products don't require emulsifiers, but they're also quite different sensory experiences and play different roles in skin care :)
not sure if you are still taking questions on this but i want a palm free emulsifying wax. even olivem(whatever number) are not confirmed to be according to their manufacturer- which i was hoping was my salvation. any ideas about palm free emulsifying wax?
What happens if you add borax with the beeswax? I've been reading that it's a natural emulsifier when added together
It will still fail. Beeswax, when combined with borax, will create a stable emulsion under fairly particular conditions in quite particular formulas-of which this is definitely not one! I linked to a recipe that does work with the beeswax/borax combo in the video; click that link and compare the recipes to see how they differ :)
hi humblebee if I put emulsifying wax straight to water without,would it turn out to be a good cream and how many % emulsifying wax should I use in 100% because I don't want to add oil to my cream and I want it thick
I'm sorry, I'm really not sure what you're trying to do..? Have you checked out any of my actual lotion videos to see how those turn out? You can't make a lotion without adding oil/fatty acids of some sort, even emulsifying waxes contain fatty acids. A lotion is a blend of an oil part and a water part, if you get rid of the oil part, you don't have lotion!
Hi do you have lotion with spf ? Or ordinary face cream with spf too thank you
I'm afraid not-give this a read: www.humblebeeandme.com/why-homemade-sunscreen-is-never-a-good-idea/.
Yeah I only got beeswax and didn’t want to buy an e wax just yet to help my budget and keep it more natural
Thank you for this video cause I was wanting to make some lotion of my own and I thought about beeswax. Love your videos!
Thanks, Danielle! Hopefully your first lotion is a huge success 😊
I agree with Kay B, there are several UA-cam videos on how to use beeswax in a lotion, including a recipe for a magnesium body lotion
Pls inform me how to carnuba wax disovle in water
Is there a way I can emulcify honey and oil?
I'd like to make a face cleanser with them both.
There are many ways :) Search "rose honey" at www.humblebeeandme.com/search for a cleansing cream formulation I made with honey and oil. Happy making!
What about using caranauba wax? or is there a way to making your own emulsifying wax? Its not a product that is available in my country.
can I use beeswax and stearic acid both together in body butters?
Yup!
I used to make lotion from beesewax but I had to use emulsifying wax still in order for it to come together properly. I used this for a while before I ended up scratching that recipe because it is pretty heavy and leaves a sort of heavy residue on my skin. I found using stearic acid and emulsifying wax makes a super light weight lotion that melts into skin with no residue.
Thanks for watching! Stearic acid is a great thickener and stabilizer for lotions without the tackiness that waxes tend to add-you can also try playing with cetyl alcohol for a slightly different thickening experience :)
Hello, thank you so much for this information, it is really helpful. I have found a moisturiser recipe, in an old herb book of mine (which is what led me to find your channel!) that calls for equal quantities of emulsifying wax and beeswax. Do you think that would work? Also, are the emulsifying waxes likely to be available in any type of shop in France do you think - a pharmacy for example - or would I need to order on line?. Many thanks x
Why? The bees wax can be used for a lotion bar and not your lotion? Is it because of the water Part?
Do you have a recipe for a lotion bar? Thank you so much for the information 💖👍🏻
what about for a sugar scrub? do you think the beeswax will work?
I really don't recommend it-I made something like that when I first got started and I recently included it in a video on the worst things I've ever made 😬You can learn more about why it was awful here: ua-cam.com/video/gpTvzgXqP-4/v-deo.html. Happy making!
Hi Marie. I really dont know if you will read this. I am making a magnesium balm. magnesium oil is actually a brine so i know i need emulsifying wax. do i skip the beeswax? or do i keep it? will emulsifying wax make the product hard like beeswax does?
Spot on Humblebee, I've had the same results using carnuba wax. It's almost bizzare how the water is sooo repelled by the wax. But quick question. I really want a wax cream for automotive polish. Would it work to use half emulsifier wax and then half carnuba?
I’m thinking btms and beeswax might be a nice mix for me lol
That can be a lovely blend!
Thank you for this video. Just s quick question, are there any all natural organic recipes for making lotions? (I'm not sure if the emulsiers are natural are synthetic)
Thank you
Definitely! There are many natural emulsifiers and preservatives to choose from. This one would be considered pretty natural: www.humblebeeandme.com/pemberley-hand-lotion/.
I'd also encourage you to read these posts:
www.humblebeeandme.com/natural-efficacy-fallacy-natural-shaming/
www.humblebeeandme.com/lets-talk-natural/
Happy making!
If you add the water to the wax (both are on 70 degrees celsius) then the trick accually DOES WORK!
www.lotioncrafter.com/beeswax-yellow-nf_pastilles.html
The borax is not nescessary..beewax will do the job when used with the right temp. and speed of the making..
How can i get your book?
I am planning on getting emulsifying wax particularly btms 50. Do you know if this wax has an odor? Which E Wax doesn't give off a bad smell? I just purchased btms 50 from brambleberry and this is their note about it. "Note: This product has a distinct odor that can be a bit surprising if you've never smelled it before. We've found that the odor isn't noticeable in finished products when used at 15% or less." Kinda weird..hmmm
The smell from BTMS 50 is similar to that of all cationic/conditioning ingredients I've worked with, and is unique to that category of ingredients. It sort of smells like old ocean/beach :P Polawax, e-wax NF, and emulsimulse don't have that smell, but they also aren't conditioning.
Eddfrree
hey I bought btms and cetearyl alcohol to make a hair conditioner . I melted the btms and the cetearyl alcohol with sheabutter , using a double boiler . After I took it off the stove I was mixing it with my mixer and it never thick, it still have the water consistency 😔
Hey! I need way more details than this to give you any advice. What are the exact weights of every ingredient you used?
I wonder whether one can make a water and oil lotion without any wax, using a technique similar to mayonnaise making?
You can make an emulsion without an emulsifying wax, but you'll definitely still need an emulsifier. Mayonnaise uses egg yolk and mustard, which I wouldn't particularly recommend :P RM-2051 is really nice, though!
Egg is a natural emulsifier in mayonnaise. So, it is not possible to make an emulsion without either synthetic or natural emulsion.
Thanks for this very informational video.
You're welcome!
Thank you . Darn I needed to get rid of that bikini wax. I laughed so much coffee need to be cleaned up. TMI .. thanks
Well, I'm sure you can find another use for that bikini wax lol... I hear the cool kids are doing Playboy bunnies 😂
Thank you for the tutorial. Very educational
Thank you so much!
This.might not be as accurate as this. . The formula of course doesn’t have to be in the same proportions. Plus : with natural (non estherified waxes) you should add beeswax step by step. This is hat is called”emulsifying) and you keep mixing fêter he emulsification is complete: yes: the emulsion will separate again (have you seen how butter is separating f you over blend the cream? Same process. So: I agree, it is not as easy as with estérifiéd processed waxes, however with some experience and the right proportions/formulas, it is feasible...
Please read the pinned comment.
I just started making my own deoterant and shampoo
lotion has been next for about a week now, seeing why beeswax or soy wax wouldn't work sounded so confusing since I never made any myself. this video really clears up a lot 😁
Happy to help! And welcome to the wonderful world of DIY :D
Will btms 80 work?
Would it make a difference if you added honey to the water part?
No; honey is not an emulsifier in any way.
Cool. Just curious because I watched your Cleo's Secret vid and got confused. I am trying to find a good way to make cannabis infused topical and am trying to stay as raw/organic in my ingredients list as possible. I think I'll just use the Cleopatra formula with thc/cbd instead of the pollen and propels. Thank you for the reply. Great content by the way, and you have a great presentation style. Thank you for maintaining this channel!
did you know that it works better even withe e-wax to add your oils/wax mixture to your water mixture? I had oils separate from my first lotion (I used e-wax or emulsifying wax) Oh and yes beeswax is unstable, can't use it without the emulsifying wax.
I must say in the hundreds of batches of lotion I've made, I have made many adding oils to water and many adding water to oils, and neither method has had any impact on the stability of the lotion-as long as everything is heated to the same temperature, everything works a treat!
If it works, doesnt that mean that it works? What exactly do you mean "won't work", if beeswax DOES?? Take a look at all the "failures" in the comments ... it might not work for your formula, but it clearly does for other people, with their formulas.
How much btms-50 do you use per cups of liquid or per pounds of Shea butter
I find BTMS-50 works well at about 20% of the oils part by weight; never use volume measurements for this sort of thing! Everything must be by weight for reliable results.
Thank you for doing this so I don't lol 😅 I be messing up stuff like "mmmhhh idk ill try it anyway" so thank you.
Happy to help 😄
do you have water based pomade recipes that uses beeswax?
Nope!
In principle I don't see why you couldn't incorporate enough emulsifiers to make an emulsifying wax into a material suitable for waxing off hair near the bikini line.Traditionally they don't, but all we need is some jurassic park scientists and it'll totoally happen.
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I want to ask you about very small amount of borax .
can l use it together with bees wax? ,it increases its emulsifing Action .also has a preservative action if a herbal infusion is used in the recipe
Yes, it is possible, but not with a recipe developed to work with e-wax. I started making lotions that way (www.humblebeeandme.com/diy-lotion/) and they are a lot heavier and a lot more work than e-wax lotions. From a forum I'm a member at: "When borax is dissolved in water it produces boric acid and sodium hydroxide. The sodium hydroxide interacts with cerotic acid in the beeswax - a free fatty acid that makes up about 13% of beeswax by weight - and forms an anionic emulsifier, while the boric acid buffers the system."
Also, borax is NOT a preservative, and regardless of whether or not you're using an herbal infusion, if there is water, you NEED a true broad spectrum preservative like Liquid Germall Plus.
Can I use Lannete N or Galenol, instead e wax?
I probably can not use Cera alba.
I need a link to order your book.
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Ask your supplier if they are complete emulsifying waxes; that's all I mean by "e-wax", it isn't a specific product. And you're right, you definitely cannot use cera alba to make emulsions!
I've got a big list of places to order my book here: www.humblebeeandme.com/make-it-up-preorder/ :)
Beeswax is great in my emulsifued sugar scrubs (along with polawax and stearic acid) but in a Lotion......no thanks! I think it would be heavy and leave a film on your skin. I like my lotions light and fluffy
I definitely find it leaves a bit of tack if used as a thickener in lotion-not my first choice as a thickener!
I own a couple beeswax based lotions (from small etsy shops) but they're solid stick lotions so that's probably why the beeswax was okay. I don't make any of these myself but I love being educated on listed ingredients for my purchases to make sure I'm getting the high quality product I'm paying for. Thanks for the video!
Are they true lotions? I ask because many things I see called "lotion bars" are 100% oil based and made with beeswax-no emulsion, no emulsifier required. Is there any water in the ingredients list?
Humblebee & Me Oh I guess they aren't true lotions then, no water in the ingredients. They are solid oil sticks with beeswax.
Hello , what you think about Emulsifying Wax Olive Derived ?
Look up "Olivem1000" in the Humblebee & Me DIY Encyclopedia (www.humblebeeandme.com/diy-encyclopedia/) :)
Can I use Emulsifying Wax NF for diy oil cleanser? And if yes how much%
Yup! Check out www.humblebeeandme.com for some examples :)
If ewax use to pomade to combine water and oil, it is work?
That's sort of like asking if sugar and flour are combined, will it make a nice cake-it's possible, but there are a lot of other variables.
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i have made many creams using the beeswax -and it came out just fine!
i find it funny that for 1000's of years in the past -we had cream -
and yet here we are in the 21'st century and you cant do it!
plus your trying to scare people from trying it!
odd!
Please note that the title of this video is "What happens if you use beeswax instead of emulsifying wax" and not "it is completely impossible to ever make an emulsion using beeswax". If you take a formulation designed to work with emulsifying wax, using beeswax instead of emulsifying wax will not work. That is precisely what I have demonstrated in this video. However, if you use a formulation designed to work with beeswax, that can work. Here's a formulation I shared 2011 using beeswax: www.humblebeeandme.com/diy-lotion/.
Is cetyl stearyl alcohol good as emulsifying wax?
No, it's not an emulsifying wax at all. Read more in the FAQ (www.humblebeeandme.com/faq/) :) Happy making!
any advice that you could give me please
Well this will work IF you use emulsifying wax too. I have a recipe that includes both!
I've done that, too :)
Hi, I just watched your video and I'm curious about cetyl alcohol? Can I use that as an emulsifier
Cetyl alcohol is not an emulsifier, so no. You can learn more in the Humblebee & Me Encyclopedia at www.humblebeeandme.com/diy-encyclopedia. Simply look up the ingredients in question to learn about why they are used in formulas, what they do, usage rates, and more. Happy making!
@@HumblebeeAndMe Thank you for the link.
Can I use Cetyl alcohol on it's own?!
No, the same thing will happen as happened here.
Thanks for your videos, do you make hair leave in?
I've made many hair products! You can find many on my blog (humblebeeandme.com)-I've been blogging for over 8 years while I’ve only been on UA-cam for about 3.5, so there is TONS more content on the blog!
Very good video. Thank you
Thanks for watching!
I use white beewax from skyorganic
And it separate maybe because i add too much wax ??
It separated because you used beeswax, exactly as it did in this video. Have you watched the video?
Humblebee & Me no its white and like how to make a lotion video .....
i did watch this video too and act like this i may use too much wax ???
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The fact that it is white is meaningless-it is BEESWAX. That is the problem. You need an emulsifying wax (NOT BEESWAX). They look similar, but are completely different. Using beeswax will cause this recipe to fail every single time. Please refer to the description box for information on emulsifying wax :)
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Hi Marie, I just love your video's (you're funny) but I have a question..can I use cetyl alcohol for thickening my shampoo? Or stearic acid? I know you lately used crothix but I have to import that from the UK.
Sorry can't find your email address..
You may want to make a shampoo bar instead-you can thicken that with cetyl alcohol :)
What the what? I am newer to making lotions and creams, but I have never had a problem using beeswax. Perhaps humblebee is making a profit from recommending these other emulsifiers??
Her name is Marie Rayma, not humblebee. The title and video are not that you can't use beeswax. But that you can't swap beeswax in a recipe that was created using ewax. I imagine this video was made to help those who follow her blog and youtube channel and want to make her ewax based lotions. She is frequently asked about this specific substitution and instead of just saying it won't work, she is showing what happens. Before you accuse a wonderful lady of profiting from lies, please listen/read her blog and see the immense amount of research and care she has for every diy creation.
You can find a video for exactly what you are looking for now!
Already did one out of curiosity. failed..
Yup haha :P It's always good to add more data to the experiment, though :P What's an experiment if your results cannot be independently verified?
Maybe you need xanthan gum 😂😂😂😂
Before you comment to tell me I'm wrong/that you've made it work in the past, please note that the title of this video is "What happens if you use beeswax *instead* of emulsifying wax" and not "it is completely impossible to ever make an emulsion using beeswax". If you take a formulation designed to work with emulsifying wax, using beeswax instead of emulsifying wax will not work. That is what this video is showing. However, if you use a formulation designed to work with beeswax, that can work. Here's a lotion formulation I shared 2011 using beeswax: www.humblebeeandme.com/diy-lotion/. For a food metaphor, imagine you were making a chocolate cake recipe that called for 1 cup of milk chocolate, but you swapped that milk chocolate out for 1 cup of unsweetened cocoa powder. That would be a pretty gross cake! That's not because it is impossible to make a cake with cocoa powder, of course-it's because milk chocolate and cocoa powder are very different. The milk chocolate will contain fat and sugar that the cocoa powder won't, so a cake recipe designed to use cocoa powder will include different sources of fat and sugar, and will likely use far less cocoa powder than chocolate as it is much more concentrated. That's roughly what this video is about.
How do I use a preservative?
Thanks for being so helpful, and doing a failed recipe on purpose to show us the results. you saved me from buying natural beesewax.
I'm glad you found it helpful! Beeswax is super useful for many projects, it just doesn't work well as an alternative to ewax :)
Hello. We've been making a beeswax lotion for years and people love it! You have to get the proportions right and add the oils to the water. You've added the water directly to the oil, which is wrong and does not work! Temperature is also very important while mixing the oil/water.
I'm well aware it is possible; this is noted in the video and an emulsified beeswax lotion recipe of mine from 2011 is linked in the description box. This video is called "What happens if you use beeswax instead of emulsifying wax" and think it says "why you can never, ever make a stable emulsion with beeswax" 😐 I did not say it is not possible. I said you cannot use it INSTEAD of ewax in a recipe developed to work with ewax. I have made emulsions with beeswax before, but the recipes formulated to work with beeswax are so, SO different from recipes made to use e-wax. It's sort of like a cake recipe designed to be sweetened with sugar, vs one designed to be sweetened with honey. The second recipe will be different to account for all the extra liquid from the honey. Both can work, but you can't just use one for the other and expect good results.
Do you have a recipe for your lotion. Just the basics
Barsoap do you have a recipe to explain the right measure ments
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Mine has never done that ! Gross! When I use beeswax for the emulsifier I use my food processor and it works great 😊
I use it all the time. 4 tsp beeswax, 2tbs of rosewater ( or any other hydrosol), 2 tbs shea butter, 4 tsp of watermelon oil, 2tbs of any other oil ( apricot, argan, rosehip- any, I just like mixing different for different batches), 2 tsp of honey ( never warm that up as it
looses its properties). And I melt, and I blend- and it's gorgeous. I use it in winter for my face and body- ideal for those drying months.
Me too!
There is no water in your recipe, so that is the difference!
@@TessieDobey rose water is the water in the recipe
I can’t beeswax clogs my pores don’t trust it
Do you use a preservative???
I am *so* confused by this video. I keep reading the advice, from people I trust, that beeswax is not an emulsifier and will not work. Yet I was taught to make make creams etc by someone that used beeswax and it works for me. I don't get the result you do, lumps plus a liquid, I get a lovely cream. I have several creams we're using at present made with beeswax plus a decent preservative, no borax. I'm not advising anyone else to use beeswax or anything, I'm just really confused.
You might find this more in-depth blog post from Formula Botanica helpful: formulabotanica.com/beeswax-is-not-an-emulsifier/ :)
Bikini wax though hahaha Marie
:D
Yeah because I was like “what!?!?! I use bees wax for my sons butt paste!” Lol
A beeswax lotion can be made and can work if you know what you're doing and have your percentages right. As in, 35.380 grams beeswax, 0.9072 grams of borax---you absolutely need the borax when making a beeswax lotion or it won't work, and the last ingredient--- soy lecithin, with a proportion of 4.536 grams. Also, you have to use distilled water/hydrosol and these NEED to be heated to 170farenheit and be held at 170 for at least 15. The WATER should be POURED SLOWLY into the oil part WHILE MIXING and mixing should continue until lotion reaches 120 Fahrenheit.
I calculate my lotions in percentages of 100% in order to create a stable mixture that holds. Beeswax mixtures can and will work and can hold, and are a much healthier alternative. Basically my water = 55%, my oil = 32% , emulsifier = 9% and my additives = 9% also I use Germall as a preservative at around 0.1-0.5% into my lotions. This my night cream recipes.
*additive at 3%
Yes, I'm aware. There are a couple links in the video and in the description box to my recipe from 2011 on how to do this. As you are clearly aware, your recipe is not very similar to a lotion recipe developed to work with e-wax.
Keira, thank you for your generosity in recipe and instructions. So u can make lotion w/beeswax, just don’t interchange ewax.
Hi can you direct me to learning this process more precisely ? I know they used to do it even with out the
Borax as well
Very helpful. Found out as well that honey in lip balm has the same problem in that it won't combine with the beeswax and oils.
Barbara Lindberg I also have this problem, but I just wait until the mix halfway sets up and is a gel and then stir it up and put it in my container. it doesn't look as pretty and smooth once set up but I'm the only one who uses it so I dont mind
If you watch my Cleopatra's Secret video you can see how I make honey work in an otherwise oil based concoction; it is hard to get the firm, glossy consistency people associate with lip balm, though :)
Barbara Lindberg glycerine in lip balm never works right, either...
Barbara Lindberg : you can mix it in after it’s cooked more and thickened enough for it to mix in 👍
Here's the real answer, as one wasn't provided in the video (no one gives you answers): You need a high-HLB surfactant at 10-20% of total (wax+surfactant) content. The high-HLB surfactant ("detergent," which is water-soluble) helps out the free fatty acids or alcohols interact with the water. Emulsifying Wax NF is ~25% polysorbate 60 (HLB: 15) and ~75% cetearyl alcohol--notice how they've done the work for you. BTMS-50 uses behentrimonium methosulfate (cationic) as the system's high "HLB" surfactant. Ritamulse SCG uses stearoyl lactylate (anionic) as the surfactant, which requires higher pH's to stay anionic and functional. Often, the thickening system will use two or more different fatty acids/alcohols for improved stability/efficiency: Ritamulse SCG uses glyceryl stearate AND cetearyl alcohol. Adding more fats/surfactant will thicken more, the ratio of fat to surfactant will also affect "thickness." Thus, use whatever wax you want: just add detergent at 10-18% of total wax+detergent content. Depending on your detergent concentration and cooling rate, you may end up with crystal hydrates (almost pure fatty alcohol, which precipitate) or swollen crystalline lammellar gels (which take up a lot of water and thicken and stabilize nicely). Ethoxylated detergents (e.g., polysorbate 60) can be annoying to use because they slowly swell/hydrate and your formula can thicken additionally after it stands around a few days.
Please make body butter with no water
I've made TONS over the years :) search "body butter" at www.humblebeeandme.com/search. Happy making!
Thanks! Now,I'm giving to others. Again ,thanks 😊
your videos are absolutely priceless. you tell the whole truth you give so much detail that at first intimidates because nobody else talks about it. I respect your honesty and professionalism. after while now I stopped being afraid of the added preservatives. all thanks to you and to your explanations. ♡
Thank you so much! Don't forget to check out my blog (humblebeeandme.com/)-I've been blogging for over 5 years while I haven't even been on UA-cam for one, so there is TONS more content on the blog!
Ah, when I first saw this I thought, gee, I have several recipes that call for beeswax, and it worked really well...to my suprise. The problem with your recipe with beeswax is that you are using too high a percentage of beeswax. This could be reformulated to add a very small percentage, say a proportion of 1/3; that is one portion of beeswax to 3 portions of each of the oil and butter. As a matter of fact I made an excellent balm using this aprox ratio. I do see your point in not making a substitution for EWAX, I use NF or Polarwax when called for. Great recipes, though. I really like your book!
That was A LOT of beeswax to use for that small amount of oils 😬. When i pour my beeswax/oil mixture into hot water it does have that milky look you want. The wax cooled off so fast because there was so much.
As the title of the video says, this is "What happens if you use beeswax instead of emulsifying wax". That is, by weight, the amount of ewax that would work. The whole point is that I'm demonstrating why this doesn't work as a one-to-one swap ;)
@@HumblebeeAndMe oooohhhh. i was a little confused because i make lotion with beeswax quite often. A beginner would not understand the weight should be adjusted, rather than say beeswax will absolutely not work.
I have a question that has been in my mind for years and perhaps i can get people's respectful input. I am wondering how beeswax is not an emulsifier because I made many succesful creams with it. I know this is kind of a crazy topic in the community of natural product creators. I took an herbal medicine class in college and we were taught how to make creams with beeswax. What we had to do though was blend while slowly pouring the water in a thin stream into the room temperature oils, the key is they have to be room temperature and to pour slowly while blending. My creams never separated or got lumpy. They were a smooth creamy consistency and would last several months with no issues. I later found that rosemary gladstar also has a video how to make creams this way. I am wondering if people don't consider it an emulsifier because they try to use it the same way as emulsifying wax? If someone has another theory I would love to hear other thoughts. Thanks for all your videos by the way!
Hey Lauren! I recommend you read this post from Formula Botanica: formulabotanica.com/beeswax-is-not-an-emulsifier/. The key point is that beeswax is not an emulsifier because it lacks the key chemical structure required to define something as an emulsifier and to create true emulsions. When used very carefully beeswax can stabilize oil/water blends, but those blends aren't true emulsions and don't pass tests that check emulsion stability.
Perhaps think of it like this: beeswax as a "Beyond Meat" type product and emulsifying waxes like Polawax as actual ground beef. I'm saying "Beyond Meat isn't meat, while ground beef is" and the counter arguments many beeswax cream makers make are basically "but I make burgers with Beyond Meat". The point in the linked article isn't that one can't make a burger with Beyond Meat as one most certainly can, but that making a burger with it doesn't mean it is meat. Likewise, just because you can make a cream with beeswax doesn't mean it is an emulsifier. Perhaps not the greatest metaphor, but it was bouncing around my head last night and I thought it kind of worked :P
@@HumblebeeAndMe thank you for your response. I guess I always took that when people said beeswax was not being an emulsifier, they were were saying it doesnt work to make creams. Though some people actually mean it that way, it isn't well known that it actually does work (as a stabilizer apparently) to make a cream when used differently than e wax. I know people still don't know that and the conversation gets kind of jumbled and misunderstood. Either way, I have used creams with beeswax and all types of emulsifying wax and I have to say I'll always prefer the beeswax! Anyway, I appreciate your input!
Hi :3 i'm a little confused... i made a lotion with aloe vera (natural) beeswax, almond oil, shea butter, coconut oil, i just blend the oils and added slowly the aloe while blending and it turned out just perfect (you are suppose to start blending the oils when they are at room temperature and start adding the water based part slowly while mixing). Now i'm scared to try something else.. i don't really know where to buy emulsifying wax, cant' find it anywhere. but i did get cetyl alcohol, is that (+beeswax) enough to emulsify a lotion?
Hey! I'm sorry your first lotion was a fail, but you can rest assured it was 100% the recipe and not you-I wouldn't be able to make that recipe a success! You will need a true emulsifying wax-cetyl alcohol is just a thickener. I've got a huge list of places to shop all over the world here: www.humblebeeandme.com/resources/. That should be a good place to start :)
Humblebee & Me how did you get the remaining bees wax off your stick blender?
I had the same result and now can't get the blade and blender 100% clean of the beeswax. ? Any ideas? Thanks!
One can make beautiful creamy butters using beeswax. Of course there is no water in recipe. You tube has many creamy butters. I myself make very creamy silky butters. Butters & lotions are different.
So true. I think she is giving a bit of mis giddied information .
@@johnlloyd1638 yes unfortunately
Thank you so much! This was an extremely helpful video. So glad I watched it BEFORE attempting to make my lotions.☺
Wahoo! Thanks for DIYing with me, and happy making :)
I m here after a failed formulation with beewax
I use beeswax I have no. Problem just to say I don’t mix with a knife it’s bad luck
This video is a nonsense, I make lotions using beeswax as emulsifier all the time and it works perfect.
Read the pinned comment.
Getting a little testy aren’t you!
Love your site. However, for those of us leaning more toward organic lotions, etc. beeswax simply requires a different process - using oils instead of water. Nice to know there are optional ways to work with both materials.
Beeswax is harder and that's why you have to use much less and blend it longer. That's would be an alternative for all natural body lotion recipe. What do you think?
While it's true that beeswax is harder than ewax, it's also still not an emulsifier, and no amount of blending it will make it work in place of emulsifying wax.
Thank u so mush very helpful
Iwant to ask abou diy breastmilm lotion recipe
3 oz brast milk 3oz grapseed oil an 1 table spoon if bee wax and vit e and essen oil
Beeswax not good the milk and olive sapprete i have olivem1000 how can i use with /without case the recipe restore in fridge