Did the Middle Ages Happen? - Debunking the Phantom Time Hypothesis

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    Kings and Generals' animated historical documentary series on medieval history and historiography we will talk about the so-called Phantom Time Hypothesis which posits that the Middle Ages didn't happen and will do our best in order to debunk it.
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  • @KingsandGenerals
    @KingsandGenerals  Рік тому +59

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  • @santi2683
    @santi2683 Рік тому +888

    I like how people could believe kings and emperors who all hated each other could actually pull up this ridiculous conspiracy and get the whole world to back it up just because

    • @12gmkk29
      @12gmkk29 Рік тому +14

      Communism and capitalism hate each other but they were allies in ww2

    • @santi2683
      @santi2683 Рік тому +127

      @@12gmkk29 not the same thing tho

    • @GarkKahn
      @GarkKahn Рік тому +83

      @@12gmkk29 they had a common enemy
      And still we know even before their co-op war ended they fought each other

    • @kylewilliams8114
      @kylewilliams8114 Рік тому +78

      @@12gmkk29 two factions fighting a war against common enemies and dozens of nations creating a shared, false history of hundreds of years is not at all comparable.

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Рік тому +14

      @@12gmkk29 The really weren't. Soviets were also allied with Nazis at one point.

  • @kurtmueller2089
    @kurtmueller2089 Рік тому +345

    I remember that back in 2002, in a school in Germany, one of my History teachers thoroughly debunked this Idea already.
    It really is just a fringe among fringe theories.

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Рік тому +6

      It is rather conspiracy theory then even hypothesis. It literally make no sense!

    • @kingleech16
      @kingleech16 Рік тому +9

      @@TheRezro It does once you account for the interference of the lizard men and crab people!

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Рік тому +5

      @@kingleech16 Neh. We have better things to do that that. Earth is not flat. You can see that with naked eye. Earth is just a space ship... I mean hollow.

    • @gaiusjuliuscaesar9907
      @gaiusjuliuscaesar9907 Рік тому

      It's not 300 years is the issue here. It's 10-30.

    • @LarsRyeJeppesen
      @LarsRyeJeppesen Рік тому

      @@TheRezro he was joking..

  • @gamera5160
    @gamera5160 Рік тому +525

    Some ruler in backwater Europe: Everyone! I'm making up 300 years of history! Follow my lead!
    China: Well, if some barbarian king I've never heard of is doing it, we're doing it too.

    • @williamrobert9898
      @williamrobert9898 Рік тому +9

      Lol

    • @capac2
      @capac2 Рік тому +38

      Literally bro lol. Some people can be so dumb and ridiculous

    • @patrickar8797
      @patrickar8797 Рік тому

      “Yes guys, everyone is in on it, the Arabs, native Americans, Indians, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese and countless other groups seperated by vast geographical obsticles had all of their histories faked!”
      The ignorance, narrow mindedness and cognitive bias of some people is astounding.

    • @firstconsul7286
      @firstconsul7286 Рік тому +91

      The caliphates: The Christian heathens want to erase our entire existence and glory days? Fine, we'll go along with it.

    • @mortache
      @mortache Рік тому +29

      @@firstconsul7286 literally the best time of Arab empires lol. I guess all those books and architectures were also made up by some peasants in some German village mud hut 🤣🤣🤣

  • @Artur_M.
    @Artur_M. Рік тому +613

    Oh, I thought it is going to be about the Middle Ages as a concept. This dumb silliness is literary giving me a headache. I admire you for having the patience to debunk it.

    • @Morfeusm
      @Morfeusm Рік тому +19

      Yeah Middle Ages as an concept is a bit stinky in itself too but that’s for another discussion

    • @michaelmoorrees3585
      @michaelmoorrees3585 Рік тому

      Yeah, I was first expecting something on "dark ages" = stagnation and regression of civilization. Not just 300 years just temporally slotted in. Conspiracist need better brand of tin foil !

    • @Ronnet
      @Ronnet Рік тому +47

      @@Morfeusm at least that's a intellectual discussion. This is just nonsense. Shameful that it even needs to be debunked. But good on this channel for doing the work.

    • @reinercelsus8299
      @reinercelsus8299 Рік тому +12

      @@Ronnet The channel has sadly failed to tell you that the hypothesis was already discussed and debunked in Germany in the 1990s. There was nothing left to debunk.

    • @unknowndane4754
      @unknowndane4754 Рік тому +3

      @Bu$$yBuster on that note I watch a lot of flat earth and young earth debunking specifically because It's dense in information about scientific fields

  • @lacintag5482
    @lacintag5482 Рік тому +236

    Wouldn't it have been much simpler to say Jesus was born 300 years earlier, or to invent some other reason to start the count earlier, instead of making up several centuries from scratch?

    • @pridefulobserver3807
      @pridefulobserver3807 Рік тому

      some minority germans probably wanted to sh*t on everything not german, like the greco-latin cultures, this kind of stuff tends to surge in zealous sects, and facists and communists have a history of conspiracy mythi creation and cultivation of esoteric woo.

    • @BiggestCorvid
      @BiggestCorvid Рік тому +24

      Imagine being a shut-in recluse for two years and insisting that your debt collectors are lying about what year it is because you don't understand compound interest either.

    • @MrOliver1444
      @MrOliver1444 Рік тому

      There is no evidence for Jesus. More evidence is actually against what the bible claims.

    • @abradolflincler726
      @abradolflincler726 Рік тому

      Well, "some people" are stupid.

    • @Baddy187
      @Baddy187 Рік тому +1

      Carbon dating would show.

  • @orenashkenazi9813
    @orenashkenazi9813 Рік тому +119

    On the one hand, it's disturbing that such a conspiracy theory exists. On the other hand, clowning on it is fun. Would love to see you guys' take on The New Chronology, a conspiracy theory that is even wilder than Phantom Time

    • @elbentos7803
      @elbentos7803 Рік тому +1

      Sadly, this "New Chronology" or "recentism" foolishness is even more worrying as it is born out of unbridled russian nationalism (created by a mathematician by the name of Anatoly Fomenko) : Everything significant in mankind History was invented or created by old russians and, by the way, Jesus was russian as well...
      According to this pure madness, all accepted History is nothing but a huge conspiracy made up by jesuits during XVIIIth century.
      This whole New chronoly thing is a messy mix of stupidity, bad faith, blatant lies and highly toxic nationalism.

    • @mightypirat9875
      @mightypirat9875 Рік тому +2

      This theory could not disturb me a bit. After all the other conspiracy theories I heard about I know there is nothing too dump to create a conspiracy theory around. Its only really disturbing that there are always people that believe in them and even put a lot of effort in it to prove it.

    • @eunit8899
      @eunit8899 Рік тому

      Disturbing? Lol chill dude.

  • @aidanmonty8162
    @aidanmonty8162 Рік тому +31

    16:06 it seems the narrator misspoke here; the Battle of Talas occurred in 751 AD, not 551. The subtitles have this correct.

  • @muddybootknight6319
    @muddybootknight6319 Рік тому +292

    One way to debunk a conspiracy theory is the sheer amount of people needed to work together while remaining silent about it to pull it off such as this one

    • @Yordleton
      @Yordleton Рік тому

      That's exactly what I always say! The leaking of Manhattan Project data to the Soviets is a good example of how even the most funded and secretive operations in history end up in leaks and everyone finding out about it as a result.

    • @photinodecay
      @photinodecay Рік тому +12

      Indeed, it takes a conspiracy to assemble the "evidence" for a conspiracy theory :)

    • @nottiredofwinning3736
      @nottiredofwinning3736 Рік тому +11

      Also, make sure to relentlessly call them "tin foilers" and stupid names like that instead of arguing in good faith.

    • @jackjones9460
      @jackjones9460 Рік тому +2

      I love hearing about conspiracies but don’t have any faith that selfish men would trust each other king enough to make something happen secretly.

    • @jackjones9460
      @jackjones9460 Рік тому +1

      I love hearing about conspiracies but don’t have any faith that selfish men would trust each other king enough to make something happen secretly.

  • @cgt3704
    @cgt3704 Рік тому +36

    Thanks KG for making sure History Channel will never exploit this theory

  • @curiousinquireror4096
    @curiousinquireror4096 Рік тому +79

    Two Words: Tang Dynasty. That's all that needs to be said to debunk this theory

    • @AzureDragon100
      @AzureDragon100 Рік тому

      Naturally, conspiracy theorists fail to realize the world outside the west exist.

    • @ballsack6547
      @ballsack6547 Рік тому +2

      yes I agree on this

    • @darthvader4338
      @darthvader4338 Рік тому +2

      Yeah that a massive boom

    • @ecurewitz
      @ecurewitz Рік тому

      The nut jobs will just claim it never existed

    • @dorincucos2197
      @dorincucos2197 Рік тому +2

      I believe their focus is more on the Nortern and Southern dynasties period preceding Sui and Tang being a phantom timeline. But it still doesn't add up - Tang were very influential externally.

  • @Longshanks1690
    @Longshanks1690 Рік тому +86

    “Did the Middle Ages happen?”
    When did Vsauce take over Kings & Generals? 😂

    • @Wellch
      @Wellch Рік тому +6

      Money talks.

    • @ParleLeVu
      @ParleLeVu Рік тому

      Don't mention that annoying POS Vsauce. That guy is a knuckle magnet and spends 50 years to get to the point.

    • @markcoroneos7811
      @markcoroneos7811 Рік тому +5

      Plot twist: Michael is on their staff, or is he 🧐

  • @mrbushi1062
    @mrbushi1062 Рік тому +171

    Lol should do a debunked video on people saying Rome never existed. Yes that was a tik tok but for a short min. It hurt me deeply.

    • @HeavyMetalGamingHD
      @HeavyMetalGamingHD Рік тому +17

      this person was never in europe. there is a insane amount of evidence basically everywhere in southern and western europe.

    • @Vaultboy-ke2jj
      @Vaultboy-ke2jj Рік тому

      She is a total wacko

    • @nkl7345
      @nkl7345 Рік тому +56

      Tik tok is garbage, it's just full of idiotic rage bait

    • @steffanyschwartz7801
      @steffanyschwartz7801 Рік тому +2

      If they want to on the Kings and Generals discord we have already made the perfect debunk

    • @markcoroneos7811
      @markcoroneos7811 Рік тому +10

      Why is that bait? There are plenty of idiots out there who believe the crap that gets put on that horrible site. It’s important that history is not besmirched further and it is challenged.

  • @georgepatton93
    @georgepatton93 Рік тому +34

    Just when i think some people cant get dumber, the world proves me wrong yet again

    • @tjtruth4793
      @tjtruth4793 Рік тому

      Right, there’s still ppl out there wearing masks and trusting what their tv tells them.. whew the past couple years was a reality check in just how dumb ppl really are...

    • @ecurewitz
      @ecurewitz Рік тому +3

      Never underestimate the stupidity of others

    • @williamromine5715
      @williamromine5715 Рік тому

      The best comment of all time. I just wish I had thought of it.

    • @kingleech16
      @kingleech16 Рік тому +1

      There are already folks positing that the 7 Years War, Napoleonic Wars, and WWI + WWII never happened, and were just lies for governments to exert more control. The reasoning? No country or alliance could operate so many troops/ships across so much territory.

  • @manuelapollo7988
    @manuelapollo7988 Рік тому +33

    For curiosity, this is the difference for the 2 calendars:
    Julian calendar: there is a leap year every 4 years, and that's it.
    Gregorian calendar: also there is a leap year every 4 years, but if the year is divisible by 100, then it's not a leap year, but it is if the year is divisible by 400. For example, 1800 and 1900 were not leap years, but 2000 was.
    So when the calendar was introduced there were 10 days of difference because 300, 500, 600, 700, 900, 1000, 1100, 1300, 1400, 1500 had been leap years when they were not supposed to be to keep the calendar correct

    • @t.wcharles2171
      @t.wcharles2171 Рік тому +2

      Which is why when the UK changed there were riots because the calendar was advanced 11 days.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 Рік тому

      @@t.wcharles2171
      They'd got another day out of alignment since 1700.

    • @dominicguye8058
      @dominicguye8058 Рік тому

      @@t.wcharles2171 I'm guessing it was also considered to be 'Popish'

    • @t.wcharles2171
      @t.wcharles2171 Рік тому

      @@dominicguye8058 yes it was and that's what stopped its adoption because England was not fond of things made by the Catholic Church.

  • @mathewfinch
    @mathewfinch Рік тому +38

    This is my second favorite historical conspiracy theory, just because it's so easily disproven if you think about it for a minute and know anything about history.
    My favorite conspiracy theory is the one that the Cathedral at St Mark in Venice holds the remains of Alexander the great, because I can almost bring myself to half buy into it if I'm in the right mood.

    • @giorgosthoma849
      @giorgosthoma849 Рік тому +1

      I remeber watching a documentary about that! well it was about the tomb of Alexander the great but it was one of the theories it was fun they dubnked if I rememeber corectly

  • @mikemodugno5879
    @mikemodugno5879 Рік тому +61

    Love this video. I've heard a weird theory claiming that the Roman Empire was a fabrication of the Catholic Church. Could you debunk that one next?

    • @jasoncropley5334
      @jasoncropley5334 Рік тому +18

      I've heard of that one too, I know recently there was a woman on Tiktok claiming that the Roman Republic / Empire didn't exist lol

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  Рік тому +88

      There is a difference between 1 TikTok video or account and multiple very popular books

    • @alejandrosakai1744
      @alejandrosakai1744 Рік тому +6

      @@KingsandGenerals good luck, I hope you don't feel the Wrath of Donna!

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  Рік тому +35

      @@alejandrosakai1744 she going to call me a Vatican shill? :-)

    • @alejandrosakai1744
      @alejandrosakai1744 Рік тому +2

      @@KingsandGenerals I'm afraid of that! Don't forget what happened to Metatron!

  • @anneonymous4884
    @anneonymous4884 Рік тому +18

    While we're on the topic of (pre)historical conspiracy theories, I've seen a surprising number of people claiming that the Indo-European theory to be false. They claim that the similarities between Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, Hittite, etc. are a coincidence and that Europeans are just trying to appropriate Indian culture and history.

    • @Yiannis2112
      @Yiannis2112 Рік тому +3

      Just like the Black Athena theory of ancient Egyptians, Israelis and Greeks, being subsaharian Africans.

    • @chrissmith3587
      @chrissmith3587 Рік тому

      @@Yiannis2112 that one’s just tragic,
      I’ve only heard these theories from black Americans or the occasional black brits.
      That these black Americans do not know their history is sad

    • @Yiannis2112
      @Yiannis2112 Рік тому

      @@chrissmith3587 Yes, looks like when something's so advanced, everyone claims a piece from the cake of inheritance

  • @Monkechnology
    @Monkechnology Рік тому +14

    Broke mfs: "middle age never happened/ bronze age collapse wasn't real/[insert more gibberish, cope, and a bit of malding]"
    Me, a philosopher: "Age of Mythology is the most accurate and truthful representation of the classical era. Yes, atlanteans, creatures such as hydras or giants, and every hero mentioned in the illiad were real."

  • @jerolvilladolid
    @jerolvilladolid Рік тому +12

    600-900 AD is among the most well documented periods in human history. Because it is the time of the Tang dynasty in China and written records those years existed are in the kilometers of paper scrolls. Doesnt mean that you didnt write any records down than other people didnt too.

  • @icecoldchilipreppers6496
    @icecoldchilipreppers6496 Рік тому +222

    You guys are declaring war on the Tartarian Mudflood people!
    Love it! ❤️

    • @JOGA_Wills
      @JOGA_Wills Рік тому

      The funniest conspiracy I have ever heard, I always suspected white people came out the muds of Germania lol. MUD PEOPLE 😱

    • @jimsackmanbusinesscoaching1344
      @jimsackmanbusinesscoaching1344 Рік тому +25

      Next up they will debunk the (possible troll) that says the Roman Empire did not exist.

    • @valianghel3454
      @valianghel3454 Рік тому +3

      Good one!!

    • @valianghel3454
      @valianghel3454 Рік тому +5

      @@jimsackmanbusinesscoaching1344 don t give them ideas🤣🤣
      Flat earth society🤣🤣

    • @ryannathaniel9296
      @ryannathaniel9296 Рік тому +11

      @@jimsackmanbusinesscoaching1344 Ah yes, the troll that said the Roman Empire was made up by the Inquisition

  • @deron2203
    @deron2203 Рік тому +4

    thanks for taking the time to debunk such a bizarre conspiracy!

  • @VxV631
    @VxV631 Рік тому +32

    As far as I understand, the appeal of conspiracy theories is "I know more than the smart people" and elevates one's sense of self. And while we live in a modern era where conspiracy theories are frustratingly being proven right, this is not one of them. As a Historians, this was almost painful (as I'm sure it was to make) to watch lol but you guys did stellar work as always!

    • @VxV631
      @VxV631 Рік тому +5

      Historian* autocorrect

    • @Rex73777
      @Rex73777 Рік тому +12

      @@VxV631 You can edit your post. Click the three dots near the top right of your post.

    • @williamrobert9898
      @williamrobert9898 Рік тому +12

      So far all conspiracy theories that I have heard of are completely idiotic and nonsensical

    • @101Mant
      @101Mant Рік тому

      @@williamrobert9898 well there are real conspiracies, look at the Tuskegee Study where black men were deliberately not treated for syphalis to see what would happen. Or the illegal activities of the FBIs COINTELPRO.
      If you live in a country where this stuff has happened I can see why people might be more credulous of the less out there conspiracy theories.

    • @schnitzelfilmmaker1130
      @schnitzelfilmmaker1130 Рік тому

      @@williamrobert9898 ? Area 51 exists… and a lot more. The only difference between those and beliefs that are considered conspiracy theories now which will later turn out to be true, is that the latter haven’t been admitted to yet, and so you’re working with information you speculate about. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong, the only evidence that it is wrong is whatever you can rationally sort through, and then the belief in the words of authorities who have a history of covering these things up but simply tell you they won’t do it again - which you have no real reason to believe. But conspiracy theories have been true before, why would they suddenly stop being right?

  • @ozgurceltikci9106
    @ozgurceltikci9106 Рік тому +7

    I do hope the hammer comes down on ‘the Byzantines were Christianized Arabs theory’ next. Last I heard, Heraclius was actually an Arab named Harit, and Persia never collapsed as a Muslim-convert dynasty just took over the throne from the House of Sasan!
    Anyway, let me go and reform the Roman Empire in CK3! :)

  • @ElvenMetalhead
    @ElvenMetalhead Рік тому +3

    As a long time Sri Lankan fan of this channel, it made me so happy to see my island shown in this video, giving me a timestamp of sorts of Sri Lankan history, to compare the topic of this video with. Hoping to see a video on Sri Lankan history one day! Keep slaying with the content, K&G!

  • @namngo6195
    @namngo6195 Рік тому +7

    4:51 the absurdity of the Eastern Roman Emperor agreeing on something with the Holy Roman Emperor and the Pope is enough to discredit whatever this "hypothesis" claims

  • @philly83
    @philly83 Рік тому +8

    I had heard something about this theory but was not real familiar with it. Thank you for covering this.

  • @Uzair_Of_Babylon465
    @Uzair_Of_Babylon465 Рік тому +14

    Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job

  • @KateeAngel
    @KateeAngel Рік тому +83

    I actually thought for a long time that Fomenko invented this hypothesis on his own. My cousin from Rybinsk was and maybe still is a fan of Fomenko. And Rybinsk is near Yaroslavl (note "y" in Rybinsk is pronounced like "y" in Polish, Russian "ы", and "ya" in Yaroslavl is pronounced like in English). In Yaroslavl there is a wealthy businessman who believes in that crap as well and opened a private museum about it, and unfortunately it is more popular than actual historical museums 😑 (historical museums in both cities are rather good). That is how pseudoscience spreads

    • @LazyLifeIFreak
      @LazyLifeIFreak Рік тому +3

      A sad tale of how ignorant the general population truly is, the lack of education is astounding.

    • @reinercelsus8299
      @reinercelsus8299 Рік тому +8

      The video isn't about the hypothesis of Fomenko. It's about the hypothesis of the german publicist Heribert Illig from the 1990s and was already debunked in Germany since the 1990s.

    • @TheRezro
      @TheRezro Рік тому +3

      @@chooseyouhandle Concept of Ancient Aliens is actually quite interesting. It is actually driving force behind Tomb Rider franchise and several popular adventure movies. Problem with the TV series itself is that it is almost satire of this concept. With repeated arguments, obvious jumping in conclusions and even not trying using logic.

  • @treverblanco
    @treverblanco Рік тому +2

    Great start to a Sunday!

  • @kleinweichkleinweich
    @kleinweichkleinweich Рік тому +7

    I'll watch this interesting video in 300 years when it should be available in my country and just leave a like for now

  • @kadaltokek3953
    @kadaltokek3953 Рік тому +4

    Perhaps "Dark Age" was for backwater Europe back then. How we even forget Tang Dynasty in China and Chalukya in Indian Subcontinent, Crivijaya in Southeast Asia and Savarid Dynasty in Iran Plateau? Those countries were prospered, hell even Crivijaya was much stronger compare to Byzantine Empire at that time even started colony in Madagascar, Africa. Some European dudes had narcissistic behaviour assuming "Europe's dark age" means "world's dark age"

    • @danielcarroll1193
      @danielcarroll1193 Рік тому

      Some narcissistic European dudes that’s the answer to all life’s problems rite lol

  • @vane909090
    @vane909090 Рік тому

    I like that you guys are having fun with these things sometimes.

  • @franbalcal
    @franbalcal Рік тому +9

    Can you imagine how the History Channel would have approached a subject like this?!

    • @user-uc4vg4rg9e
      @user-uc4vg4rg9e Рік тому +5

      Aliens disrupted the flow of time using the pyramids

    • @user-uc4vg4rg9e
      @user-uc4vg4rg9e Рік тому

      Or some c rap

    • @dominicguye8058
      @dominicguye8058 Рік тому

      They'd probably only say that isn't true near the end of the documentary while teasing throughout that it might be true

  • @LarsRyeJeppesen
    @LarsRyeJeppesen Рік тому

    This channel is so amazing. Thank you

  • @drstrangeluv25
    @drstrangeluv25 Рік тому +1

    Kings & Generals is my favorite alternative history UA-cam channel.

  • @kbob1158
    @kbob1158 Рік тому +13

    Finally, a rational, informed and systematic assemblage of evidence and reasoning to put this foolishness to bed once and for all.

  • @dimitrijejovanovic5939
    @dimitrijejovanovic5939 Рік тому +1

    We need more videos like this

  • @user-cd4bx6uq1y
    @user-cd4bx6uq1y Рік тому +1

    Thankd. Helped me a lot.

  • @hrolfthestrange
    @hrolfthestrange Рік тому +51

    Obviously you focus entirely on the historical evidence debunking this, but another thing I think is interesting for this and other conspiracies is research regarding the number of people directly involved being inversely proportional(and I think exponential) to the length a conspiracy could remain hidden. Such that to last 5 years a max of 2500 people can be involved(and assuming they are all specifically motivated to keep the secret) but to last 50 years a max of 500 people can be involved. There's no way to say very few people would have been involved in this(mass rewrites occurring in multiple libraries/monasteries/government records across multiple countries) or that these people would be motivated to follow one fixed conspiracy(some countries involved having antagonistic religious/cultural/political interests with each other) and then the conspiracy lasts 1000+ years?

    • @commanderkei9537
      @commanderkei9537 Рік тому

      That’s why you tie up loose ends, of course. I’m sure Epstein knows this well

    • @talldude1412
      @talldude1412 Рік тому

      not to mention the numbers are much smaller than that as well.

    • @noelwym123
      @noelwym123 Рік тому

      It's already difficult to keep a birthday party a secret between ten people. Imagine trying to keep a huge secret among thousands!

  • @anjanpratapsingh727
    @anjanpratapsingh727 Рік тому +5

    Please make a Video on the Kannauj Tripartite Struggle and how the middle Indian Kingdoms stopped the eastward expansion of the Caliphate

  • @StoicHistorian
    @StoicHistorian Рік тому +1

    really like the bulletin board

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ Рік тому

    Great work!

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 Рік тому +4

    Thank you , K&G .
    🐺

  • @gilgoofthegrove5072
    @gilgoofthegrove5072 Рік тому

    glad you guys covered this one. i hadnt heard about this one particularly, but the idea is the same with the "tartarian empire" conspiracy

  • @davemosd6192
    @davemosd6192 Рік тому

    Only just seen first 30 sec and I must say respect for having the open mindedness to make this video and daring to contemplate such things

  • @Anonymous69700
    @Anonymous69700 Рік тому +1

    Hope you go long way in your success journey

  • @beckydonoghue3452
    @beckydonoghue3452 Рік тому +12

    Really appreciated this video, because I've been enjoying a Comic The Dapartment of Truth. And that book uses this conspiracy as the baises of all future conspiracies. Basically its the concept that once you make enough people believe in something it then becomes real. And this was the first bit of fiction that was turned real because Otto the second wanted to reign in the year 1000.

  • @USBearForce
    @USBearForce Рік тому +12

    10:40 The tinfoil version of the map of Europe includes “Asterix” out in Brittany, and I appreciate that little nod.

    • @veeu8781
      @veeu8781 Рік тому

      and Britain doesn't exist

  • @bogiekhan
    @bogiekhan Рік тому +3

    he deserves more subs

  • @KevinUchihaOG
    @KevinUchihaOG Рік тому +22

    so is the 10% of the dislikers disliking because they thought that the middle ages never happened, or are they downvoting because they think its a silly question that dont need its own video?

    • @reinercelsus8299
      @reinercelsus8299 Рік тому +4

      I think it is arguably misrepresenting that the hypothesis was proposed by only one publicist and already discussed and disproved by german historians since the 1990s.

    • @nineomite
      @nineomite Рік тому

      ​@@tonywhite8131 - Oh please. I think this is a rather extreme example of otherwise intelligent people's stupid habit of babying people.
      Referring to a wingnut theory as a wingnut theory is not "mean" or "disrespectful". It is rather what we'd call "accurate". Yes, be kind to people... but don't tell them their insanity is something else. It isn't. Tell them the truth.
      We've become altogether too concerned about respecting lunacy (or getting our feelings hurt when our own lunacy is correctly described as lunacy) and it's poisoning our society. Respecting behaviour that is inherently silly (and is *actually* disrespectful - to historians, history, cultures, etc) encourages more of it.

    • @KevinUchihaOG
      @KevinUchihaOG Рік тому

      @@tonywhite8131 ok, thats fair. Didnt bother me but i get your point.

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  Рік тому +7

      The dislikes are around 4%. Higher than other videos (2%), but nothing groundbreaking. Carry on.

    • @janekciscek288
      @janekciscek288 Рік тому

      @@tonywhite8131 Yeah it is absolutely beneath anyone to disprove something and all the while constantly insulting the people you are trying to correct. This video was clearly just made to have fun and make fun of other people. I found it pretty disgusting frankly so I unsubscribed.

  • @SunnyThumb
    @SunnyThumb Рік тому

    The war disclaimer before the ad 👏👏👏

  • @thefisherking78
    @thefisherking78 Рік тому +1

    This has got to be one of the most fascinating piles of malarkey I've ever heard

  • @kriscerosaurus
    @kriscerosaurus Рік тому

    I'd actually never heard of this one. Wild.

  • @theyellowjesters
    @theyellowjesters Рік тому +38

    this was a thorough and unrelenting take down by the kings and generals. i loved how relentless you guys were, calling them "tinfoilers" and conspiracy theorists at basically every opportunity!

    • @JAG8691
      @JAG8691 Рік тому +1

      Post-Modernism.
      Conspiracies do exist and all the successful ones are based on utilizing plausible deniability as a defensive barrier in case the agenda gets discovered or blocked. If the dots connected can fit a Conspiracy dont knee jerk a " Tin foil Hatter" label on it immediately.
      This one however is completely a fabrication of History which has accelerated in the Post-Modernity World that we have entered into and is why the Flat Earth Theorists have increased around the Globe.

  • @maheshgavaskar8093
    @maheshgavaskar8093 Рік тому

    Looking forward to videos on mnemohistory and oral history

  • @MrGksarathy
    @MrGksarathy Рік тому +11

    I have had the misfortune of coming across this conspiracy theory, and I admire you for not dismissing it out of hand.

  • @TheHistoryofThings
    @TheHistoryofThings Рік тому +2

    I've heard of this hypothesis, downright hilarious. Funnier than most sitcoms.

  • @ggtt2547
    @ggtt2547 Рік тому +10

    Amazing episode. Very very interesting subject. Would love to see more such episodes, not about specific events or battles, but more theoritical like this one. Excellent.
    Since we are on the topic of conspiracy theories, you reminded me that as a young teenager and even as a young adult, i was really fascinated by Graham Hancock's theories and books. Not so much these days. I guess that as you grow older your mind is occupied more with everyday struggles and less with the pyramids and ancient aliens! But, i would love to hear your opinion on the man!! Is he a complete 100% hoax??

    • @banana2263
      @banana2263 Рік тому +4

      yes.

    • @dominicguye8058
      @dominicguye8058 Рік тому

      "pyramids and ancient aliens" If he believes that those two subjects are in any way related, then yes he is promoting hoaxes.

  • @bartrijken1577
    @bartrijken1577 Рік тому +3

    pls make a video about of childsacrifices actually happened at the Fenician temples

  • @BgRdMchne
    @BgRdMchne Рік тому

    You should do Fomenko's new chronology next.

  • @WaterShowsProd
    @WaterShowsProd Рік тому +2

    If Gregory realigned the calendar (which he did not alter enough to warrant having it bear his name) then does that mean the date we currently mark as the anniversary of Julius Caesar's assassination is three days off? I was glad to see Asterix was on the map, as we all know he actually did exist.

  • @elbentos7803
    @elbentos7803 Рік тому +4

    I especially loved at 10:37 "Asterix" instead of Brittany and Atlantis instead of Ireland.

  • @the_feedle
    @the_feedle Рік тому +12

    You should also make a video debunking the "China discovered America before Christofer Columbus" - theory, by Gavin Menzies

    • @nicholsonfile
      @nicholsonfile Рік тому +1

      Your imperative statement has a lot very wrong with it.

  • @johnmikezstaca4307
    @johnmikezstaca4307 Рік тому +2

    Next time is about Phantom Brain pretty please.

  • @Novusod
    @Novusod Рік тому +1

    There is another part of the theory that Odoacer and Chalemagne (Karl der Grosse) are the same person.

  • @Kriegtime101
    @Kriegtime101 Рік тому +14

    The real conspiracy is that we are still in the medieval ages.

  • @eshitvaprakash6681
    @eshitvaprakash6681 Рік тому +1

    I had to check the title twice.

  • @Eleych
    @Eleych Рік тому +3

    Viking invaded Anglo-Saxons would like to say otherwise.

  • @aegystierone8505
    @aegystierone8505 Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @jamesforreal
    @jamesforreal Рік тому

    I'm all about historical and scientific curiosity and exploration. This sounds a bit more like "it didn't happen just cos...". But I've heard crazier theories. This is a good mental exercise, great video!

  • @RomeWill
    @RomeWill Рік тому

    I never heard of this prior

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 Рік тому

    Interesting video

  • @orarinnsnorrason4614
    @orarinnsnorrason4614 Рік тому

    Very interesting.

  • @Nilboggen
    @Nilboggen Рік тому +8

    I was going to comment that you were saying Niceae wrong but after looking it up you are just using the Latin pronunciation as opposed to the Greek pronunciation. I was unaware Latins had their own pronunciation, so I learned something 🙂 You know I mean other than that the middle ages really did happen but I kind of knew that going in lol.

    • @photinodecay
      @photinodecay Рік тому

      technically, english pronunciation is highly corrupted from the original latin pronunciation of the latin alphabet ;)

    • @Nilboggen
      @Nilboggen Рік тому +1

      @@photinodecay Do you think the Vatican in its services is pretty close to original latin pronunciation? Just curious.

    • @elicrodriguez
      @elicrodriguez Рік тому +2

      @@Nilboggen Church Latin pronunciations are slightly different to Classical Latin.

    • @photinodecay
      @photinodecay Рік тому +2

      @@Nilboggen I am not an expert, but I recall seeing some linguists talk about some differences in liturgical vs classical Latin pronunciation

  • @madmanJSK
    @madmanJSK Рік тому +1

    Do the New Chronology next!

    • @madmanJSK
      @madmanJSK Рік тому +1

      @@chooseyouhandle Another pseudohistorical conspiricy theory, kinda similar to this one. Got some traction some months ago via TikTok. Apparently the Roman Empire never existed, who knew!?

  • @bartrijken1577
    @bartrijken1577 Рік тому

    pls make more videos about Dutch history

  • @miketacos9034
    @miketacos9034 Рік тому +2

    I love how conspiracy theories always claim that the conspiracies were started to mask something that is always extremely banal and trivial 😂

  • @ireneylk1061
    @ireneylk1061 Рік тому +1

    27 new cathedrals 417 monastic buildings 100 royal residences in 2 years. The people of these regions must have outsourced everything not directly related to BUILDING! I mean we're talking about the absolute building frenzy! All day, all night all days of the year, all of them.

  • @declanjones8888
    @declanjones8888 Рік тому +2

    The Phantom Time hypothesis is ridiculous.

  • @mcuddy799
    @mcuddy799 Рік тому +2

    I haven’t had this much fun since Dr Mark Felton debunked the rumor of Hitler’s UFO.

  • @Siegbert85
    @Siegbert85 Рік тому +2

    You can tell by the amount of insults thrown at this group that Kings and Generals feels personally offended by their ideas.

  • @bart183
    @bart183 Рік тому +9

    American: "Did the Middle Ages happen?"
    European: Looks out the window and sees the huge ruins of the castle.
    "Yep."

    • @eljanrimsa5843
      @eljanrimsa5843 Рік тому

      Castle building really started only in the 10th century. That's one of their starting points for the theory. I don't know which castle you are seeing out of your window but it's very unlikely that it was built between 614 and 911.

    • @bart183
      @bart183 Рік тому +1

      @@eljanrimsa5843 The question was, "Did the Middle Ages really happen?" The 10th century is the Middle Ages, so that's about it.

    • @eljanrimsa5843
      @eljanrimsa5843 Рік тому +1

      @@bart183 Yeah, that's a bit of a confused of the term. Nobody doubts that 911-1453 happened. People built with stone, and there are too many buildings left to explain them away. The conspiracy theory is about the Early Middle Ages or Dark Ages, specifically from 614-911. In Germany we have the Pfalzkapelle in Aachen from this time, but not much else. If Germany would be the whole world, the conspiracy theory would make some sense.

  • @ethannaftalin2395
    @ethannaftalin2395 Рік тому +1

    I never thought I would watch a Kings And Generals video where I would lose brain cells. Who comes up with theories like this?

  • @HansenDing
    @HansenDing Рік тому +2

    I don't know enough about the caliphates, but every Chinese court since the Han Dynasty were so obsessed with counting years and recording astrological events that even at 15 when I first encountered this theory I knew it could be rejected out of hand.
    If they were like: 2300-2000 BCE didn't exist then I'd at least have to think about it a little.

  • @BlackRoseImmortal75
    @BlackRoseImmortal75 Рік тому +2

    You can easily debunk this in less than 10 words: Chinese Calendar and Halley's Comet.
    Everything was recorded. We were not the first and deinitely not the only civilization with a calendar.

    • @varalderfreyr8438
      @varalderfreyr8438 Рік тому

      China re-wrote their history after WWII. The texts don't lie, but the order to read them in may be stretched just a bit, so that China has a history before any modern nation.

  • @frederickstabell3796
    @frederickstabell3796 Рік тому

    Lots of historical conspiracies these days, glad to see you guys taking a stand against misinformation.

  • @shiddiqhartono
    @shiddiqhartono Рік тому +1

    10.45 The Brittany region labelled as "Asterix" Got my eyes

  • @earlrobbiepalomar278
    @earlrobbiepalomar278 Рік тому

    Can you please do the war of the spanish succesion? Please? and battle of culloden.

  • @johncloptop1585
    @johncloptop1585 Рік тому +2

    Carbon-14 testing blows the theory out of the water.

    • @synura8086
      @synura8086 Рік тому +2

      It's not that easy. The amount of C14 in the biosphere depends on solar activity and varies over time. So C14 dates have to be calibrated to another, known timeline, like dendrology. Thus you can always argue that an isolated C14 date is inaccurate ... context is important. This is different from other methods of radioactive dating.

  • @whartanto2
    @whartanto2 Рік тому +2

    A mild version of "what if the past never really happened and we are all just created by aliens yesterday with the memory of our pasts"

  • @williamhalsted4
    @williamhalsted4 6 місяців тому

    "... And they were, in fact, doing things." Well said.

  • @miche9611
    @miche9611 Рік тому

    2:16 That's Bill Cypher!

  • @iceman4660
    @iceman4660 Рік тому +1

    Are they saying that all empires around the world colluded together and rewrote their histories?

  • @feelingchanvre928
    @feelingchanvre928 Рік тому +4

    God I'm glad you guys made this. A friend of mine deeply believes this stuff and I've been trying for years to tell him that it's nothing but a load of crap.
    I'll be sure to send that one his way!

  • @zackxmagz6343
    @zackxmagz6343 Рік тому +2

    Good video, but you should have read and focused on debunking mathematician Anatoly fomenkos phantom time hypothesis. His is the most correctly developed and wrote numerous novels on it. I’m sure it would be too much of a hassle to go through them all to be fair… so this will do.

  • @ilkopirgovo
    @ilkopirgovo Рік тому

    I did read a book that years missing were 300ad-600ad .

  • @lerneanlion
    @lerneanlion Рік тому +5

    And what conspiracy theory this channel will try to debunk next? Please tell me because I wanted to know more!

    • @kingleech16
      @kingleech16 Рік тому

      That Appletiser ISN'T the greatest drink made by anyone ever! Truly ridiculous.

  • @tigerboy1966
    @tigerboy1966 Рік тому

    8:49 That is not Gregory XIII, it's Gregory XVI, who came along... erm... 300 years later.

  • @jodij2366
    @jodij2366 Рік тому +1

    Given the so-called phantom time happened in the Dark Ages, surely the question would be "Did the Dark Ages happen?"