The 12TB Western Digital USB drives are DIFFERENT
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2019
- The Western Digital 12 TB Elements or Easystore drives can be shucked, but they are a little different...
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Just for clarification, the third pin thing isn't something WD does to stop you using their drives in a normal PC. It's part of the SATA 3.3 spec. If you have a power supply or backplane not compliant with the latest SATA spec, that's when you need to use the mod.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#Power_connectors
Well said, I have shucked a number WD120EMFZs and put them in various NAS enclosures with no issues. It's not the drive that is the issue.
A question. WD 10TB Elements Desktop External I saw that this same model has blue packaging instead of yellow. Is there any difference? Thanks
The hole-spacing is also an “issue” on newer 10tb drives. I bought my first 10 tb Elements-drive a month ago. (Drive was made 23. Sep 2019) think it was called 100EMAZ
Yup it’s 100EMAZ, but I didn’t have issues putting them in the my regular pc case drive sleds.
@@andrewskaterrr Same here, wonder what this guy smoked. Fits just fine. 3.3v mod was neccessary though.
Honestly, Linus would've dropped a few of them by now
FYI, 12TB drives work fine with Synology NAS (1815+)
I've found that any drive that I place into a server back plane does not need the modification but if you connect it with standard sata power and data, you require the third pin to be covered.
It's because that third pin is specifically used in certain backplanes. It's meant to shut down a hard drive by applying the 3.3V to the third pin, so a server operator can shut the drive down completely remotely. Because on consumer SATA, 3.3V is practically never used, the 3.3V rail is just connected straight to the pin, keeping the drive totally shut down. I just snipped the 3.3V wire on my modular PSU's SATA cable to get around the issue.
The bottom holes were moved when WD went to 8TB drives. This was due to a manufacturing complexity that didn't allow them to keep the original layout that so many other drives/cases use.
The holes being different is so they can fit more platters in the drive without using up space inside the drive for the hole.
Seagate drives gave had the new holes for 8TB drives and bigger for a long time now.
100% correct. In order to add more platters you can't have the screw go in that area or it would hit one of the platters. So anything above 8tb will have that screw layout. Anything above 6 platters I believe.
'Mount'em with duct tape, who needs screws' -Red Green
If it move and it is not meant to, Duck tape. If it doesn't move, and it is meant to, WD 40.
"If she don't find ya handsome, she should at least find ya handy."
thank you sir
Having just scraped duct tape off of a window that was on there holding something yeah
Love it :) -RedGreen
Thank you for mentioning the mounting hole differences in my server there is a need for the non-standard middle hole for the drive to remain fixed.
Plot twist, I got one anyway
That's funny. I bought a 10TB last week that also had that plastic piece rattling inside of it. I think it was the mount to one of the rubber feet.
I shucked a WD_ Black 8TB game drive that had those plastic mount pieces.
Thanks a lot for this video, I didn't even know these were out!
I noticed there are 3 models (Element, My Book and Easy Store). I read the brochure and the differences only seem to be software related and some included items such as cables and of course pricing. Are the physical drives the same? Which is the better drive to purchase?
what is better easystore or elements? in external hdd 10tb or superior
I'm nervous doing this. What has your failure rate been like with these shucked drives 8-12tb? Do you keep a few spares on hand and replace a failed drive every few months? Thanks!
Your face while staring at the ratting drive.... is priceless. :P
I'll be getting a new WD 10TB Gold drive in a few days so I'll look at where the holes are when it shows up.
I'm putting Enterprise drives in my main UnRAID server and using the Easystore/Elements drives in my backup ReadyNAS.
The preclear on a WD 10TB Gold drive that I just finished took 14 hours and 20 minutes so not too bad.
I got the new drive and it's actually a WD Ultrastar 10TB DC HC510 drive with an HGST part # of HUH721010ALE604. It has 3 holes on the sides and 2 holes on the bottom just like all of my other drives besides these new 12TB drives in this video. It was $290.
documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/data-center-drives/ultrastar-dc-hc500-series/data-sheet-ultrastar-dc-hc510.pdf
I got a couple of seagate 12tb drives retail oem and they also were missing the middle holes so I only have half the screws in my removable hot swap trays installed.
It depends on the psu. Some do give the 3 volt on the pin, some don't.
are the middle mounting holes missing due to the space being needed internally for the extra platters ?
I just ordered some 2.5” drives to use with my Shield. When checking out reviews, I found out that you can’t just shuck the smaller WD portable drives either. They’re using a separate circuit board for some components so the drive won’t work if you take it out of its case. So, if anyone is looking to replace a laptop drive, get a different brand or just buy a bare drive Looks like WD is going to make life difficult for us from now on.
Kattz what disks do you use to attach in the usb of the nvidia? Do you know which usb hub is good for the shield?
A question. WD 10TB Elements Desktop External I saw that this same model has blue packaging instead of yellow. Is there any difference? Thanks
I had to do the 3rd pin patch with a standard power supply power connector, but when I use the backplane in my Dell r710, I don't have to do anything to the drive.
Hey man probably stupid question but ....how full is okay? to run hard drives meaning if I have a 10tb harddrive running on plex is it ok to fill it all the way or better to leave a little space on drives ?
Jason, have you tried using Rain-X on your dome cameras? As a CCTV and general low voltage installer, I can say it works wonders on keeping water spots away!
I just watched a recommended video on IMAX film projector set up and they use Rain-X to clean the lens on one part of it.
Good day Jason, on Black Friday I ended up getting 5 WD 12TB Drives on sale @ 179.00 ea. That's 100.00 off of regular price. I am using these in a FreeNAS Mini XL+. First NAS and so far am loving having almost 32TB of storage. Would not have done this, had I not have viewed you video. I didn't even have to tape the 3rd pin ether. Thanks for all you sharing with us.
I just bought 2 of these last week from Best buy. I did not have to do anything with the pin to get both drives working. Unraid recognized them immediately.
Chase Coomer it is a function of your hardware, not the OS. My ThinkServer accepts without modification to pin 3, my old Dell Optiplex requires the modification.
Great videos! Question ... I just bought a Synology DS1621+ NAS and (6) 14TB Easystores. This is my first time shucking. I know you’ve done Synology videos to, so if I shuck these for my Synology, will I have 3rd pin issues?
Oh, he's schucking again...
I just watched another vid on the same drives but 8GB and they both just plugged in and worked. One was a white label and the other a red label.
Just purchased four, 12 TB WD RED drives direct from WD to upgrade my WD PR4100 a month or so ago. They were the standard mounting style like the 4 TB you had in the video. I'm happy with em. I thought the drive shucking was a cool hack and I was interesting in seeing the results of the newer tech. Hey, they're still usable high capacity drives... why not. I'm not afraid to do it in the future if I had to.
A question. WD 10TB Elements Desktop External I saw that this same model has blue packaging instead of yellow. Is there any difference? Thanks
I recently bought 16 TB OEM Seagates and while the side holes are there I had to cut an alignment peg on my drive holders because of a missing hole at the bottom. So probably just evolution more than wanting to mess with shucking. Anyway WD knows how to do the latter with usb-only PCBs on 2.5 inch drives so if they wanted they'd do it there too...
Makes sense I guess as most of the external drives I have opened up only use those 2 end screw holes for the rubber shock absorbers. I guess all those pennies that save from not drilling out those 2 holes, adds up. The base holes do line up with the ones on the bottom of my Icy Box enclosures/caddies, so maybe they are designed all round for external enclosures which kind of makes sense as its likely a more stable mounting to put the screws at the end rather than 2 at the end and 2 in the middle.
It has to do with the number of platters in the drive as you add more, you can't have a screw in that spot or it would come into contact with a platter.
A question. WD 10TB Elements Desktop External I saw that this same model has blue packaging instead of yellow. Is there any difference? Thanks
I also noticed they were a bit slower when running the parity process compared to the 10tb models. Averaging about 90-100mbs compared to 130 mbs or so for the 10’s
As long as the thickness isn't different, a trayless drive cage won't matter where the screw holes are. Thanks for confirming the capacity and the mod needed, maybe. makes me look at sales a bit different now.
The sound pick-up is your video is very pleasing. What type of microphone are you using?
I bought my 10tb OEM drives last year, and they did not have the middle holes as well.. That would really affect mounting on some Synology NAS as they only use two screws(top and middle) to mount the drives
What kind of computer case are you using?
I think it's going to take a lot of hard disks.
I just bought one of the 12tb drives today. It was a WD120EMAZ. It is a white label 12tb red spec drive with normal mounting holes. I did not need to do the 3.3v mod on it either.
Purchased 2 12tb from Best Buy, (WD120EMAZ-11BLFA0 white label, made in Thailand, 7200 rpm) both had all three mounting holes and both required to either tape the 3rd rail or use a molex adapter (home built htpc).
Will these drive work in a Synology NAS enclosure, with out doing the third pin mod?
Yes
Hey dude, can you link that video about the third pin mod, please?
yeah now i have to google it still
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I got four of these in the last week or two and all of them worked in my drobo with no mods I don't know if that was an issue ever with the drobo enclosures.
I had WD120EDAZ from a WD MyBook and WD120EMAZ from a WD Essentials in the 2 enclosures I bought.
Question: I would like to add a 10TB HDD to my personal jack-of-trades windows system. I would like to shuck and "preclear" an external drive. I don't have an unRAID server or a spare x86 system with USB 3 to boot unRAID and preclear. Is there an alternative you would suggest that would serve for "preclearing"? Am I misunderstanding the purpose of preclearing, like it is only for unRAIDing? (I may be able to scrap together an old phenom II system workbench-style but if I don't have to that would be nice.)
Thanks for the video
But how are they for vibration resistance? I imagine if I get 5 or 6 of these going in my storage server they'll be prone to early error/death.
They are a Red (NAS Grade) drive
What do u do with the outer cover?
hi, tell me what is this chest and where can i buy it, thanks
Hey Jason, just bought 2 12tb easystores and shucked them. Mine were white label, 3 hole on each side for mounting, and worked just fine on sata power with non 3.3v fix. Just wanted to let you know.
Just wanted to say I just got a new 8tb Wd my book and after I shucked it I found out it’s an ultrastar drive not a wd red. It’s been a great drive just thought I’d throw it out there.
Hey there. I'm looking to buy a 10 - 20TB with an off/on power switch. I bought a 10TB WD one an the so-called power on/off switch simply didn't work. It was damaged, but looked flimsy anyway. I am 65 years' old and far from technically savvy. I would simply like to plug the thing in, and after logging out of it, switch the power off, until I need it again. Please help.
We’re yours from Malaysia or Chinese? Seems to make a difference. My Malaysian drives recently purchased had the hole and did not need the power pin mod.
Mr. Jason , can you make a video about IpTV connection with Plex , for seeing live tv channels on plex cause i did not see any on your youtube channel , and i would much love that (what pluggins, configurations you would use and what not)
Can any1 explain the way/want of a personal server pls. I like learning but reading info wont stay in my brain, sucks to read a page an by the end if forgotten all i read. But hands on an personal info stays for ever so any links would be very helpful.
About the missing center mounting holes -- my 8TB and 10TB HGST Deskstar NAS drives I bought a couple years ago or so are also missing those center holes. (They just have the ones on the end.) In my case (pun maybe intended, or not?) I ended up getting a Fractal Design Define R5 which was compatible with the wide-spaced mounting holes, replacing a Rosewill Thor V2 which only had the smaller-spaced holes like my smaller drives.
My 4TB and 5TB HGST NAS drives have all 3 positions, and my older WD (2TB and less) only have the ones near the connectors and the ones in the middle. I could be wrong on this, but I think pretty much all 8TB and larger drives don't have the center mounting holes.
BestBuy opened up 2nd batch of 12TB sales the Saturday before Thanksgiving....+60TB for me now
so WD has 8T on sale on amazon.ca WD 8TB Elements Desktop Hard Drive - USB 3.0 - WDBWLG0080HBK-NESN have you looked into these drives?
That thing is what's put around shock absorbers in WD D10 drives (shuckable to get HGST Ultrastar). Not sure if it's used in any other drive models.
Try powering it through your cage's backplane. My guess is you won't need to do the 3rd pin modification if you use the backplane. Worth a shot.
you can be right, backplanes often use molex 4 pin to power them, just 5 and 12 volt or there is some kind of conversion on the backplane itself... will be nice to find out.
It's not necessarily that they use a 4-pin molex the third pen on server enclosures and back planes are for keeping the drive spun down and for staggered spin up. So not all the drives spin up at the same time. The backplane will release one drive at a time so they stagger their startup. With that being said it's very likely that a backplane will work correctly with these type of drives.
It depends on your psu. Some do give 3 volt on that pin and some don't. So i would asume that normal consumer drives do not have this pin connected to anything internally.
But normally if the backplanes use molex connectors you should be fine. If they use sata power connectors the plane will just pass trough the 3volts.
@@napsterbater the way you explain it this is a server grade feature on the drives that consumer drives do not have normally.
That should mean these drives basicly will function as intended and when using consumer drives this feature does not work.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 except these drives are not intended to ever be used outside of their cases which when used in that manner work perfectly fine. Also SATA 3.3 has specified that pin 3 is used for this. So consumer power supplies with the proper power plugs will work fine as intended in consumer installation.
The changes to the hole locations isn't specific to the USB drives. They did it so they could cram more platters inside the drive. The middle holes interfered with that.
More platters doent mean bigger diameter
Even if, the closest distance platter-case is USALLY in the upper half. There is no valid reason tho put the platters closer to the middle at all since you need plenty of space for the arm mechanics. Would just be wasted room.
In terms of vibration, how have they held up? The other disks from Western Digital and Seagate say they can be in the same box as 8 and 24 disks for example.
Dude please get a plastic spudger set.... One slip and you'll have 3 inches of knife in your gut or leg....
Its like 10 bucks on amazon and works way better than a knife....
Should have mentioned this earlier but if you're using a case with a desktop power supply; a more reliable/easy way of getting around the disabling the 3rd pin is powering the drives with your power supply's molex power using molex to sata adapters 👍🏼👌🏼
Those things can be sketchy. Best and safest way is to remove the 3v3 wire from the sata connector. No SATA device needs it.
Many older power supplies and systems don't have the 3.3 volt (orange) wire in the drive connector. These drives work fine without the tape on the third pin in this case, since there is no wire connected to the third pin anyway.
what case you use?
Hey man, how are you getting the price you quoted? Or is that door buster Black Friday price?
Retail sales. He posts them on his Twitter when the 8TB, 10TB and 12TB WD drives go on sale. Usually via Amazon, B&H Photo, NewEgg or BestBuy. They are usually single day sales and are random.
@@LiquidCipher Super helpful. Thanks.
Yeah follow me on twitter @_ByteMyBits
I try to post anything i find/sent to me
Is there any market in selling these drives after you shuck them then modify them?
I was looking at the Seagate 5TB Expansion Portable External Hard Drive USB 3.0 Model STEA5000402 Black as they are on sale for $100 and noticed that you are only allowed to buy 20 of them.
Is it possible that they are putting a limit on how many you can buy as one could buy tons of them, shuck them, modify the pin and then flip them on a market place? Just curious, as most people probably wouldn't want to risk ruining the drive.
I had to do the third pin mod for 12TB Easyshare w/ WD120EMFZ.
Interestingly I just bought and shucked 2 of these 12TB Easystores and my Synology NAS (DS1819+) recognized them without any modification
Daniel von Seckendorff
So does my older Drobo S despite the fact it isn’t even supposed to support drives over like 6tb.
I got two last week, one required the pin mod the other didn't.
Same here. I bought two 10TB easystores at same time but only one required the mod.
Just put 3 x 12TB into my 1019+ without modification.
What server case is this? looks good.
Break out the drill press and make your own holes. Tap them out with bottoming 6-32 tap and your done.
Would a regular insulating tape work for 3rd pin mod?
He made another video using "electrical tape" - so I guess so.
the easiest way to do disable the third power pin is to use a molex to sata adapter - or use a sas backplane that takes molex for power.
I've bought a few seagate 14tb exos drives (also amazon deals, cheaper than the 12tb versions and also less costly than the larger 16+TB drives, at least at time of purchase) and had to modify my chenbro nr12000 case to accept them, originally it utilized the middle and rear mounting holes, I had to drill and shape out the holes for the tops.
tip: if u put tape on the 2 and 3 ping from the left its working (i didn't figure this i saw on the internet and it worked)
The problem with taking drives out of a small nas is that they wont be rated for these types of configurations, they are usually rated for around 6-10 drives next to each other making it more likely to fail
Are these 14TB drives with bad sectors sold as 12TB drives? Hard drive binning?
That I don’t know for sure
look at HGST datasheet, HC510 has both 8TB and 10TB model. 8TB has model number 721008ALE60y, which indicate original capacity 10, usable 08. Thus 8TB is binned and locked 10TB. I would imagine that at some point WD will do the same on 12TB (locked from 14TB). So far HC520 only has 721212 model. HC530 only has 721414 model.
The ten tb one I shucked had the same mounting holes as this 12tb one.
I believe that is a 3.3 volt pin "orange wire coming from your power supply.." some back planes and sata power adapters don't have that wire or they dont bring that pin out to the connector because for most hard drives its not needed. which is why some people can use them unmodified and some cant.
Is your SAS back plane powered by Molex or Sata?
I believe that most 12TB drives (even OEM) have this same screw pattern... !?
Ugh I just bought 6x10TB for $159 like a month ago. The 12TB version was way more expensive then
Seagate IronWolf drives are the same. I'm told that 5TB and larger have an additional platter added to the drive shell, which necessitated the mounting holes to be relocated. I have no first-hand knowledge of the 5TB or 6TB drives, but all of my 8TB IronWolf drives were that way.
Mine was WD120EMAZ :) Should be 256 mb cache/5400 rpm :) so identical specs to the RED drives 👍👌 And no 3,3 volt mod is needed :)
Bought 6 wd elements 12tb, shucked 4 until now - all wd120emaz. I presume the last 2 are equal.
Do you have any videos of entry level Plex servers? I'm running off my PC but want something dedicated and can have good storage I'm using this 12 TB drive in this video to hold all my Plex media
Hi Jason a quick not on the mounting holes they moved them to allow for better balancing with USB enclosures due to the platter increase
Interesting!
@@Bytemybits you may remember a few years back they moved the motor placement on some bigger drives for the same reason. Ps. Love the show but please try open media vault with plex its so fast
Keeping in mind that the 3rd pin hack may need to be done, this should be fine to drop into a Drobo then, correct?
and which is newer ?
ya also noticed this on 8TB drives.. So can only mount with 2 screws in my server case. witch kinda sucks. but still works fine
So I just decided to shuck both of the Elements drives (4TB, 12TB) that I had collecting dust to transfer them into my PC instead of my 2x2TB drives that I currently have. Surprisingly, my 4TB drive wasn't a white label drive but instead a Blue label drive, with a manufacture date of April 26th 2018 (guess this was before the white label switch?). Additionally, the 12TB drive is different than yours as mine does have the middle holes on the side (manufacture date of Dec 24th 2019). Same model name, WD120EMAZ. That's a curious difference.
Hey there, seems the Model you got twice, 120EMFZ, needs the 3.3v mod. Me and some other viewers apparently got lucky with an 120EMAZ model. No 3.3v pin mod neccessary on these.
Different hole layout is on all drives that are over 8TB (or 6TB in some cases) it doesn't mater if its OEM, USB enclosure or other source.
I disagree. I bought one of these 12tb drives today and it had all three traditional mounting holes.
Nope, the mounting hole changes is the new standard it seems for the helium filled drives and is the same on my OEM Seagate IronWolf Pros in addition to my shucked Seagate Barracuda Pros.
Where I am, 12TB drives start at 700 USD. Per each.
Sometimes they are selling for crazy $169.99 12tb. Few days ago 14tb for $199.99. I missed the 14tb sale but I need to set up a whole new linux gaming with 1tb ssd and 1 large drive so I am getting 8tb instead. Stable price at $139.99. All at Bestbuy which is still cheaper than Amazon. First computer hdd I had was 90MB which was plenty at that time for 386 system. Now 60 TB doesnt seem to be enough for raw photography, development software and space, 4k and 360 camera video captures,storage to run servers, vms, databases, linux distros, steam games, .. They keep growing. Backups of backups especially my raw photos eat up the storage real fast. Good video
I think the 12TB drive (and other high capacity HDD) doesn't have a middle screw because all the platters take up too much room for a screw to fit.
Apparently, due to the increased number of platters they had to move/remove the center holes: computer-answers.ca/2017/computer-questions/windows-questions/where-did-the-screw-holes-go-8-and-10-tb-hard-drive-mounting-issue/
i just bought 3x 12TB yesterday at Bestbuy Price still at @179.99 Cannot fine anything cheaper than this Still yhe best price among all external drive. BTW, no need 3rd PINS mod. Just plug the drive in. Show up in Unraid and Preclear
The hole mount/spacing is different? Are you shucking kidding me?!
:P