That's the whole thing. Listeners don't see your DAW, they're only listening. Therefore, I now mix with a channel strip without visual display. Trust your ears, instead of mixing with your eyes. At least it works for me 😊
Thanks Jaycen!!! The way that you described the studios and what really makes them serious, music production warfare tools, was right on the ball!!!! No need to mention your engineer skills and love for the game! Thanks M.W.T.M and Jaycen Joshua
To anyone confused (because I was at first)... the Drums get sent to a Pro Tools Master fader AND an Aux at the same time. Pro Tools Master Faders work very different than other DAWS. so now if you have both a Master fader and an Aux fader receiving the same input the signal path goes as follows pertaining to his routing... each Drum track goes to the C Drums M through the Inserts then to the C Drums Aux and processed from there to his drums and bass aux
im still confused about this, so basically if i were to do this in another daw, id just send all the drums to the "c drums m" then send "c drums m" to "c drums" ??? I feel like there has to be a less complicated way to do this routing
@@prod.by8o8jb I'm looking for the same answer. I first though he just sent the "C Drums M" bus to another bus to continue processing because he used up all the inserts with the stacked NLS technique, but it looks like he has plenty left on that bus. So...???
@@musiclover-r9m Jaycen said that he noticed a producer he worked with would send the session over with 8 instances of NLS bus on the drums, and he was surprised to find that it sounded like he ran it through his console. So he's been stacking 8 instances of NLS on his drum bus ever since, and says it's very close to the sound he would get from his SSL console.
@@Jg-be7it thanks so much - I realized how lazy my question was and did some intense googling and learned the answer, but I am really grateful for users like you who take the time to help others out!!!
@@indibiningingman6510 that depends of the producer, some of us we like to use equalizer where you can see the frequencies. Others maybe like to use EQ that doesn't have an analyzer. Is a matter of taste and choices that you have. And sometimes depends of the audio source: on a mix bus I have certain frequencies that I already know which ones to decrease or which ones I need to increase, so I don't need an eq that have analyzer, with the BX Digital I can work perfectly and is also less heavy in terms of CPU usage.
@Ian James; That's his drumbus signature sound. Waves NLS bus has three different modes he uses them in serial like that each on the different modes. That gives him a heavier low end due to the accumulated Saturations. He once explained on a different video how he stumped into it on a friend/clients rough mix.
It’s there to add a subtle but noticeable console style saturation that’s pre his entire drum bus chain. I view it as a great primer and like as drum marinating before any compression/eq/saturation/bass enhancers haha, he says it does something very similar to his analog SSL desk. But ultimately the idea is that those nls plug-ins little by little add up harmonics and coloration. It’s just that for some reason the alternating of nls instances as a series of inserts using the spike console then the Mike and then the Nevo, specifically this combination 8 times in a row does magic to drums. I don’t remember exactly how much the actual saturation knob is on these plugins but they are like either 0.1 or 1.0. He also mentions this was a chain that was conjured up by another engineer from a session he received to mix. He thought it was weird that there was all of those instances of nls on the drums but as soon as he bypassed them all the excitement was gone and the drum balance fell flat; so he left it on and it became a part of his mix template ever since!
@@diegoromero2769 Thanks! But i ask myself why he's using the NLS Busses and not the NLS Channel Plugins, since the Nls Buss plugin is more for controlling all the different NLS Channels.
Can somebody tell me that uses Pro Tools? Is the signal first going through the C DRUMS and then to the C DRUMS M or first going through the C DRUMS M and then into the C DRUMS?
its wrong drums m chanell is master fader chanell its workin pre fader so all nls before the drum processing chain like shadow hills rbass etc.@@khoivinh3402
I think it's about hearing what you hear at the time and moving forward. The next time you come back to something you're in a different place, possibly with additional processing after, so you tweak your tweaks instead of going backwards. Depending on how much eqing you're doing, you may also spread out the visual clutter and also artifacts.
But..when your low-end is centered, in the middle, driving the record, in mono. It sounds better, PERIOD, POINT, BLANK! .... and that's just a taste thing... - Jason Joshua my fav part
If you folks have never heard of Hex Hector, he is one of the greatest remixer's of all time. Between his sound choices, arrangements and automation, he would achieve great mixes with very little processing. He only needed to season to taste. To me his records with Full Intention set the bar for how to use harmonics to pull on your heart strings. Check him out if your not familiar.
personally I don't. I try and do as little compression as possible at the buss level for drums like these. Worst thing in the world is getting everything just right, then getting a revision to increase/decrease one specific drum element and throwing off the whole compressor. I just stopped doing it and have found other ways of achieving the glue that I want. Whatever helps you get the job done to the best of your ability is really the answer
ALWAYS use Maxxbass instead of Rbass. Rbass is the second release of Maxxbass, but with way less control. Maxxbass doesn’t damage the sub frequencies when you create upper harmonics, while Rbass does. Maxxbass and LoAir are MAGIC.
@@alaeifR by “damaged subs” I mean that rbass actually lessens the amount of sub information while adding upper harmonics. Maxxbass doesnt. Maxxbass is better.
@@alaeifR lol, all that matters is what sounds best. McDonalds sells the most burgers but is far from the best tasting burger. You sound like the type to sell your soul for a quick buck. Keep riding other peoples waves little buddy!
No audible difference when bypassing shadow hills to my ears. Take away the gui and blindly a/b and i bet most wouldn't hear difference. Give them the gui and even if plugin not on track many will claim to hear difference when fancy meters move. I'm all for small improvments and subtle changes but that was ridiculous.
I like MWTM but the editing of the videos is dog shit... makes it so hard to really follow the train of thought of the teacher with so many random cuts and edits. It would be much better if you just let the recording roll unedited even if it makes it a bit longer.
Yes. But using Waves is not going to cost you your Grammy. These people bang hits out with Waves, Fabfilter, UAD, PA...don't matter. They don't need latest updates either, they just focus on the mixing instead of the tools and get the job done.
@@nexusobserve I haven't been to any events in person to comment and what I have from them I bought cause it was very cheap, does somethings in a way other plug ins, do not do and seeing how pretty much every pro has some Waves plug ins on show + the fact that they have been around for decades, made me buy some when a very cheap sale popped up. Yeah sure I have to pay again to update to the newest version when a year goes by, but I might just not do that and keep using what I have now.
@@jasonmeanshealer I'm saying rather than not understanding, try out a Pro Tools demo to see where these pros are coming from. You really have to use it, hands-on, to understand how it excels in editing and mixing over other DAWs. I really dislike producing in PT, but the layout and workflow making mixing extremely intuitive. You can literally mix a song without ever using the actual mix window, whereas in something like Cubase, attempting to do that is extremely cumbersome and click-heavy. And trying to customize other DAWs to function like PT always comes up short, IMO. But of course everyone has different workflow needs.
@@lilwombat the amount of time something’s been around doesn’t mean it’s good, McDonald’s has been around forever, but that doesn’t mean it’s better than a brand new gourmet restaurant.
@@kensmechanicalaffair Don't bother. People like this know everything abouta people based on made up crap in their head. If he had any desire to actually learn something, he would know that what he stated was pure nonsense
It literally takes just a Google search to find that he's engineered music for different genres of music. Hip-hop, R&B, K-Pop. He does make music but he's primarily a producer and sound engineer. And he won 7 Grammys
Full video available exclusively on mwtm.org/jj-rosalia
This has inspired me to not overthink the mixing process. To hear it instead of aiming for a comparison with radio tracks.
Gotta do both brotha
@@jkatzbeats4130 I hear you bro
Was that an insult disguised as a compliment? 😆
@@soniumk5706 no
That's the whole thing. Listeners don't see your DAW, they're only listening. Therefore, I now mix with a channel strip without visual display. Trust your ears, instead of mixing with your eyes. At least it works for me 😊
I need his workout routine too.
😭😭
@@jkatzbeats4130 ya his and Jess Jackson's lol
You like bologna sandwiches?
You still need his routine ? Cuz dude got chunky again.
running & basketball :))
Thanks Jaycen!!! The way that you described the studios and what really makes them serious, music production warfare tools, was right on the ball!!!! No need to mention your engineer skills and love for the game! Thanks M.W.T.M and Jaycen Joshua
To anyone confused (because I was at first)... the Drums get sent to a Pro Tools Master fader AND an Aux at the same time. Pro Tools Master Faders work very different than other DAWS. so now if you have both a Master fader and an Aux fader receiving the same input the signal path goes as follows pertaining to his routing... each Drum track goes to the C Drums M through the Inserts then to the C Drums Aux and processed from there to his drums and bass aux
im still confused about this, so basically if i were to do this in another daw, id just send all the drums to the "c drums m" then send "c drums m" to "c drums" ??? I feel like there has to be a less complicated way to do this routing
@@prod.by8o8jb I'm looking for the same answer. I first though he just sent the "C Drums M" bus to another bus to continue processing because he used up all the inserts with the stacked NLS technique, but it looks like he has plenty left on that bus. So...???
We need more Jaycen vids on MWTM!!!!! Would love to see him mixing and mastering a Russ track please! Salute ✌️
"russ track" cornball
4:15 Anyone know where to get this exact version?
I will load 16 NLS buss intances next time I mix.
can anyone expand on wtf that is all about?
@@musiclover-r9m Jaycen said that he noticed a producer he worked with would send the session over with 8 instances of NLS bus on the drums, and he was surprised to find that it sounded like he ran it through his console. So he's been stacking 8 instances of NLS on his drum bus ever since, and says it's very close to the sound he would get from his SSL console.
@@Jg-be7it thanks so much - I realized how lazy my question was and did some intense googling and learned the answer, but I am really grateful for users like you who take the time to help others out!!!
@@Jg-be7itso insane…but if it works it works
BX Digital has been on my mix buss for as long as I can remember... the mono maker, M/S, and stereo width is awesome
Same here, my mix buss always have the bx digital v3 and BUSTER/SSL Buss Comp/similar
I dont understand, is it just a mid side eq? Why not just use fabfilter instead if so?
@@indibiningingman6510 FabFilter is around 300 and BX Digital is 29. You also have some extra features like mono maker and the stereo width (amazing)
@@TheKing12310 but HE uses fabfilter in this video
@@indibiningingman6510 that depends of the producer, some of us we like to use equalizer where you can see the frequencies. Others maybe like to use EQ that doesn't have an analyzer. Is a matter of taste and choices that you have. And sometimes depends of the audio source: on a mix bus I have certain frequencies that I already know which ones to decrease or which ones I need to increase, so I don't need an eq that have analyzer, with the BX Digital I can work perfectly and is also less heavy in terms of CPU usage.
Jurgen Klopp so talented
Bro kisses his compressors
En los videos de la paguina tiene tradición de subtítulos a español ??
The 🐐!!! ☝️
Is he though? I can never think of a record he mixed that I truly loved
I’m trying to be like dude both mixing and fitness. Lol
i had 3 X clipper with different setup
The NLS busses are before or after the Shadow Hills?
same question
@@ABHINAV-JETHI it's before
Jaycen for president!
jaycen and dave always giving people real game
i dont understand half of the stuff but i like it a very lot. il suono di stotipo pinta ummonte, come dici te? pigia? preme? spinge? :P
May someone explain why he has all those NLS busses in the chain?
i'm curious too
@Ian James; That's his drumbus signature sound. Waves NLS bus has three different modes he uses them in serial like that each on the different modes. That gives him a heavier low end due to the accumulated Saturations. He once explained on a different video how he stumped into it on a friend/clients rough mix.
It’s there to add a subtle but noticeable console style saturation that’s pre his entire drum bus chain. I view it as a great primer and like as drum marinating before any compression/eq/saturation/bass enhancers haha, he says it does something very similar to his analog SSL desk. But ultimately the idea is that those nls plug-ins little by little add up harmonics and coloration. It’s just that for some reason the alternating of nls instances as a series of inserts using the spike console then the Mike and then the Nevo, specifically this combination 8 times in a row does magic to drums. I don’t remember exactly how much the actual saturation knob is on these plugins but they are like either 0.1 or 1.0. He also mentions this was a chain that was conjured up by another engineer from a session he received to mix. He thought it was weird that there was all of those instances of nls on the drums but as soon as he bypassed them all the excitement was gone and the drum balance fell flat; so he left it on and it became a part of his mix template ever since!
@@diegoromero2769 Thanks! But i ask myself why he's using the NLS Busses and not the NLS Channel Plugins, since the Nls Buss plugin is more for controlling all the different NLS Channels.
@@fdgggfh24 channel is used to get differences across tracks, buss is for group saturation
What does he mean with voltage
the amount of energy needed to produce a sub bass signal.
Is this before he discovered knock?
Jaycen is not a studio sausage. He is fit!
Now not 😅
Can somebody tell me that uses Pro Tools? Is the signal first going through the C DRUMS and then to the C DRUMS M or first going through the C DRUMS M and then into the C DRUMS?
He busses all drum shiets send to -> C DRUM, from C DRUM sends to C DRUM M ".
@@khoivinh3402 what does c drum m mean?
@@dangdrjay3011 c drum master
C DRUM ---7 ALL DRUMS
its wrong drums m chanell is master fader chanell its workin pre fader so all nls before the drum processing chain like shadow hills rbass etc.@@khoivinh3402
Thanks a lot for the video!
Absolutely stunning
Thanks for the knowledge
Is it advantageous to open a few EQ plugs rather than just doing all this in 1 pro Q 3
I think it's about hearing what you hear at the time and moving forward. The next time you come back to something you're in a different place, possibly with additional processing after, so you tweak your tweaks instead of going backwards. Depending on how much eqing you're doing, you may also spread out the visual clutter and also artifacts.
Pro tools right?
But..when your low-end is centered, in the middle, driving the record, in mono. It sounds better, PERIOD, POINT, BLANK! .... and that's just a taste thing...
- Jason Joshua
my fav part
So the drum bus contains the bass ?
the sounds go to the C DRUMS M first and this goes to the C DRUMS???
And now you just need Cradle Orion
YESSSSS
Jurgen Klopp surely must be the first football manager in the world to do a crossover to music.
Americans won't get that.
Sure, you could have no idea who this guy is, but when the beat starts at 1:42, you instantly understand exactly what he knows and what he can do.
beautiful moombahton beat
Why lol
🔥🔥🔥
Pro Q3 has mid/side options. Must’ve got that soundwise check
Le pied de resistance 😂
I hope I said that right. ..
Le "plat" ;)
If you folks have never heard of Hex Hector, he is one of the greatest remixer's of all time. Between his sound choices, arrangements and automation, he would achieve great mixes with very little processing. He only needed to season to taste. To me his records with Full Intention set the bar for how to use harmonics to pull on your heart strings. Check him out if your not familiar.
OOOOOORRRRIIIIIIIOOOOONNNNN
YESSS
Do people put their kick in the drum bus?
personally I don't. I try and do as little compression as possible at the buss level for drums like these. Worst thing in the world is getting everything just right, then getting a revision to increase/decrease one specific drum element and throwing off the whole compressor. I just stopped doing it and have found other ways of achieving the glue that I want. Whatever helps you get the job done to the best of your ability is really the answer
Every drum in the drum bus, lol.
In some electronic styles, people keep their kick out of the drum buss, but otherwise yes.
mixing samples and synthetic instruments ain't my thing but there is certainly a place for it
ALWAYS use Maxxbass instead of Rbass. Rbass is the second release of Maxxbass, but with way less control. Maxxbass doesn’t damage the sub frequencies when you create upper harmonics, while Rbass does. Maxxbass and LoAir are MAGIC.
What if "damaged sub frequencies" is what sells all those records?
@@alaeifR by “damaged subs” I mean that rbass actually lessens the amount of sub information while adding upper harmonics. Maxxbass doesnt. Maxxbass is better.
@@HollerAtcherBoi Sir, it still depends on if “more” or “less” sub, of which you speak, sells more records. How many have you sold?
@@alaeifR lol, all that matters is what sounds best. McDonalds sells the most burgers but is far from the best tasting burger. You sound like the type to sell your soul for a quick buck. Keep riding other peoples waves little buddy!
@@HollerAtcherBoi I’m not in this game. It’s you vs JJ
El papá de Eladio Carrion!
NLS bus lmao
Jurgen Klopp yoo
No audible difference when bypassing shadow hills to my ears. Take away the gui and blindly a/b and i bet most wouldn't hear difference. Give them the gui and even if plugin not on track many will claim to hear difference when fancy meters move. I'm all for small improvments and subtle changes but that was ridiculous.
Yeah it surprised me actually how mediocre these "masters" actually are
Uh he never bypassed the Shadowhills.... He closed the plugin window.
How do you take the time to leave a negative comment when you didn't even watch the video closely enough to see he never bypassed it?
People are so incredible dense im at a loss of words...he closed the window....cant stop laughing
✌️
Drake
knowledge darts
Feels like he doesn't really wanna be here haha
Hes hungry😂 he lost weight on this one
I like MWTM but the editing of the videos is dog shit... makes it so hard to really follow the train of thought of the teacher with so many random cuts and edits. It would be much better if you just let the recording roll unedited even if it makes it a bit longer.
Why are all producers so full of themselves?
fabfilter is better than waves
uad or plugin alliance too
Yes. But using Waves is not going to cost you your Grammy. These people bang hits out with Waves, Fabfilter, UAD, PA...don't matter. They don't need latest updates either, they just focus on the mixing instead of the tools and get the job done.
@nektar of course. bur waves should be pubicallh ridiculed because their marketing is aggresive and misleading. even in person events
@@nectariosm fabfiler is better than waves
@@nexusobserve I haven't been to any events in person to comment and what I have from them I bought cause it was very cheap, does somethings in a way other plug ins, do not do and seeing how pretty much every pro has some Waves plug ins on show + the fact that they have been around for decades, made me buy some when a very cheap sale popped up. Yeah sure I have to pay again to update to the newest version when a year goes by, but I might just not do that and keep using what I have now.
I dont understand how ppl can use pro tool when looks it like the ugly version of logic
I really don't like pro tools but it's been around since 89 so a ton of people got comfortable with it.
Try using it for mixing and you'll probably discover why.
@@AlexNiedt care to elaborate
@@jasonmeanshealer I'm saying rather than not understanding, try out a Pro Tools demo to see where these pros are coming from. You really have to use it, hands-on, to understand how it excels in editing and mixing over other DAWs. I really dislike producing in PT, but the layout and workflow making mixing extremely intuitive. You can literally mix a song without ever using the actual mix window, whereas in something like Cubase, attempting to do that is extremely cumbersome and click-heavy. And trying to customize other DAWs to function like PT always comes up short, IMO. But of course everyone has different workflow needs.
@@lilwombat the amount of time something’s been around doesn’t mean it’s good, McDonald’s has been around forever, but that doesn’t mean it’s better than a brand new gourmet restaurant.
He used way too much slang in these videos it might be hard for some people to understand. He's good though.
Slang!?
Slang? That is normal English 😮
I bet he does rap music. He is bragging to much.
Wow. And you put this comment up as if there's not all kinds of things wrong with saying it.
In case you didn't know, you're a more-RON.
You mean hip hop. Rapping is slang for having a conversation.
@@kensmechanicalaffair Don't bother. People like this know everything abouta people based on made up crap in their head. If he had any desire to actually learn something, he would know that what he stated was pure nonsense
It literally takes just a Google search to find that he's engineered music for different genres of music. Hip-hop, R&B, K-Pop. He does make music but he's primarily a producer and sound engineer.
And he won 7 Grammys
@@johnsuggs3952 I get the sentiment.