raising pigs without smell and on the cheap
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- www.permies.com Brian Kerkvliet, of Inspiration Farm in Bellingham, Washington, shows some of his new pigs. Pigs are a naturally clean animal that will do their business in one corner of a bigger space. No smell. No stink. Brian says the only way pigs will stink is if you let them fester in one spot.
The pig fence is stock panels held together with caribeaners.
Brian is growing lots of stuff that the pigs will self harvest. The most important being sunchokes (jerusalem artichokes). But no matter where you move the pigs there is plenty more to eat, thus reducing the feed costs.
Pigs love to eat blackberry roots - and are a great way to control blackberry problems.
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We just bought a few pigs and put them on some fallow land that had a corner of blackberries. I hadn't heard that they like blackberry roots and I almost excluded that corner from the fenced area. They really do love rooting them up. Too bad they're under a foot of snow today.
@zellerz1216 I hear you loud and clear. Vegetarians do well by eating lower on the food chain. It’s good for animals, the environment and your economic status as well. Just be careful not to depend heavily on soy and wheat protein. Long term exposure of plant sterols found in soy can have unforeseen consequences on men and long term exposure to gluten found in wheat can lead to gluten intolerance or even celiac disease. Dry beans, quinoa & brown rice however are awesome !
Bellingham Washington, I used to work there. I moved back to Texas. I am surprised you could find a place there that allowed pigs!
They'll soon be knocking down that flimsy fence mate
When they learn to root under and flip the fence they will be gone. I would run a hot wire. Fence chargers are fairly cheap and the wire is also. Once they learn it will "bite" them they will stay away from it except to test it every few weeks.
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Mmmm, they look tasty! Probably have elevated/optimal levels of nutrition with low toxicity!
I guess pigs only smell when there's a thousand of them in a barn.
I've posted a couple videos of my SW Washington heritage breed Tamworth pigs. In your video the orange pig is possibly a Tamworth - a pasture pig - possibly from my offspring. In 2005 and 2006 we created the first successful breeding lines in OR, WA, ID and have since created a number of Tamworth breeders here. Plenty more pig videos - if you're crazy 'bout pigs!
Thanks! A lot of people feel this way. If factory farming were completely replaced with pastured managed rotation the price of grass raised meat would go down dramatically, the health of people would improve. The days of animal suffering unnecessarily would end and greenhouse gasses due to poor livestock management would drop considerably. All that’s left now is for governments and corporations to take the next step, because the rest of us are ready.
I will just touch on a few things. I am all for raising your own food. These large hog farms do it in large barns to regulate the temp, provide bio-security, and control feed costs among other things but I wont go there. Hogs dont eat a lot of grass. They like the roots but when those are eaten the grass is gone (or berry vines etc.) They need protection from the elements (even bright sunshine) and a controlled food supply. A disease can wipe out hundreds and thousands of animals so bio security is a must. That is why they do not let visitors tour the hog barns in commercial settings. Water is very important to animals especially hogs. If allowed to hogs are filthy but if provided correct premises they are very clean animals. Yes the find a particular place to deficate and stick to it. A large hog operation they clean the floors regularly usually by washing them out and keep raised floors so most of the waste falls through. I think this is enough even though I did not even get started!
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Anything that roots out thistle has my vote!
what kind of fencing is that? How do you get it to stand up tall and straight, so pigs don't jump over it, or knock it down? And is it dug into the ground at the bottom, so pigs don't get under it? My fencing is not working....I want to free-range my pigs and am looking for cheap fencing ideas, so my pigs can enjoy a large space, without using electric fencing. I need to keep my pigs out of the vegetable garden and from roaming into the neighbor's yard.
Shelby - that fencing he has will NOT keep a grown pig in - I'm actually surprised it is keeping piglets in. Hog panels (sold at any farm supply) are the best bet...they are 16 ft long...plant a post every 8 ft and a 16x16 pen is PLENTY big enough for 2 pigs until they're between 200 and 225 lbs
Maybe it would be better to fence in your garden instead of the pigs. You said neighbors, do you live in an urban or suburban setting? If so it might be better to put up a wood fence around your back yard because adult pigs love to rub themselves on fences and they can stretch out a chain link in nothing flat.
My father-in-law tried so many different setups to try to keep a single pig from escaping his 3 acre lot in the suburbs. The whole yard was surrounded with a barbed wire fence that had been there for 30 years and he had let a hedge row grow up about 8 to 10 feet inside of that fence but the pig still escaped almost daily. He made a chain link pen, the pig scratched his back on it all day long until he stretched it out enough in one spot to climb under. He put up hog wire and metal fence stakes, the pig broke that and escaped. He even put a collar on the pig and chained it up like a dog but he broke the clip, he pulled his head out of the collar, he got all tied up in the chain etc. so he gave up on that. He was going to try an electric fence but they were afraid that when family visited with kids, the kids might get hurt so that was out.
He did not want to cut down the hedge row to put up a wood fence because it was full of oak trees that were over 20 feet tall, it had all sorts of trees and weeds that attracted birds and bees and butterflies that were beneficial to his garden but he had to do something about that pig. Plus a fence row is a great wind break and good for privacy and it looks awesome, especially in a place where all the other houses are on lots that have been scraped bare to put in a lawn.
He finally put the bed of an old pick up truck on the ground and put poles in the holes for the uprights and attached hog wire around that. He made a roof over 4 of the poles and put hay in the truck bed. The pig did not escape any more but he didn't have much room to move around and he had to feed it expensive feed every day instead of letting it get forage. Plus his wife nagged and griped all the time about how trashy his pig pen looked, she was mortified that one of the neighbors might see it LOL! When the pig was a year old, he butchered it and gave up on raising pigs.
Maybe you can call the cooperative extension in your area and ask them what would be the best way to do it in your area, you might want to get 2 pigs to start because I think that pig my father-in-law had escaped so much because he was lonely and the neighbor that he kept visiting had a horse and a couple of dogs that he played with.
The problem is that change costs money. Corporations won't change because they have the infrastructure set up already for the current system, and a big change like that means higher prices, at least initially. Joe Shmoe doesn't care where his hamburger comes from, he just doesn't want to pay that extra dollar, and corporations want to keep his business.
Pigs do smell terrible but so would we if you forced us into little boxes without a place to defecate or without a place to clean ourselves. Homesteading. So much fun. So much better for everyone & everything involved.
Aside from odor, there is a historical predjudice against certain animals. People with little (or no) money used to be able to live well on small or marginal plots of land with a few chickens, a few pigs, and a few goats for diary products as well as meat.
Attitudes are, thankfully, changing, but no one sees these animals as or raising them as a prestige occupation, like raising racehorses - or being a beef cattle rancher . This is because raising those animals takes more resources - and more land. (Also, bulls and stallions do not have a strong objectionable odor like mature goat bucks and mature boar hogs do! Though, yes, they can be managed where that is not really an issue, but not in a 'village' type setting.)
You're right. Our pioneer ancestors existed on pork and corn in the winter with a few left over root vegetables. Pork had great historical significance in the early days of America, it kept people from staving.
I would get a used, large round hay bale feeder, secure any open areas with hog panel, place a hook so I could tow it with a riding lawn mower, and place piggies inside. you could place an old trampoline frame with shade cloth over top on hot days
Those pigs are adorable. How old are they? Are they going to get any bigger?
@MrAnthonyRizzo 100% agree with you (: i however, am becoming a vegeterian until i can find a local producer of pastured meat. i live in what you would call a "food desert".
Well said - better than I could have.
Mature boars reek. And the smell is practically impossible to get off your hands, clothes, etc. Young boars can be used to service sows and then butchered before they smell too bad - but boar odor, along with poor management of pigs and hogs in permanant pens (not moved as these are) or confinement (animal factory 'CAFO' systems) have given these animals an undeserved reputation for odor.
I wish my neighbors would do this. The smell is bad.
Well I tried - apparently a "video response" isn't what I thought. Oh, my. Guess I'll post on Permis.com
That was great, thanks!
@newtubetubetube
hey, guess what? that's my belief, and i have that right. i appreciate a different opinion, but i don't need you to help me with my belief system. And as for the conventional way, i think you make a valid point, but they go through major, unneccessary pain, and thats not what some of us want in our society. You don't have to support this type of farming, but i do.
I understand what you're saying and I respect Dr. Grandin but for me the problem is that I'd feel as though I was betraying the trust and dependence that I'd built up in the animal. I have no such problem when hunting because my relationship with wild animals is not one of their trusting and depending on me, and so there is no sense of betrayal when I kill them. Joel Salatin said "My animals live wonderful lives and then they have one really bad day." I suppose that's the best way to look at it.
@hucksquire You are our future bro, keep the dream alive! The way we are living now is dated. It is just not sustainable. I hate going to the supermarket and seeing bland, monocultured produce or meat from halfway around the world being sold at exorbitant prices. I want to eat unique local fruits and veggies in season. I also want to know that the meat I eat had a face, that it was alive, healthy and happy. Call me an ideologue but I want to know that it was loved!
Why can someone tie up an elephant with a single rope tied around one of their feet?
I understand. I would never expect anyone to accept the slaughter of domestic livestock as easy. One You Tuber poster commented in her video that slaughtering an animal should be a painful and mournful experience every time, because that animal lost its life for us. There is nothing we can do to give it back its life. Hunting as you point out is what an animal expects. They learn from early on to be aware of predators. They should see us as such so that they may live a natural life.
I keep mine on concrete and I wash it off everyday. and I must say they dont smell
don't they dig their way out under the fence?
You can't rely on the government to do things. They can be influenced by outside groups. They might pass a regulation that says you can't own any of these things because they are a danger to public health or a nuance to the city.
There is a family that is in court right now because they have chickens and the city told them they are not zoned for them as pets.
Don’t feel conflicted about slaughtering a domesticated animal for meat because they would not have the life they live if someone did not want to eat them. Temple Grandin once pointed out that what we owe the animal is compassion while they are alive because it is for our use that they were brought into existence. This is why factory farming must stop and be replaced with pasturing using managed rotation. There is no reason why an animal being raised for meat can’t have a happy idyllic life.
hahaha when those pigs get big that gate will need to be 10 times higher and 10 times stronger
He said "tilling". More like destroying hundreds of thousands of acres down in texas
Our wild hogs do millions of dollars worth of damage to farms and yards every year. They kill off wildlife, they tear up fencing and they can ruin a good hay meadow overnight. Along roads they can cause terrible accidents and tear up more in one night than the highway department can repair in a week or longer. They are good eating but they multiply faster than they can be killed. Wild hogs are a real problem here in Texas.
That’s where government regulations come in handy. Place the right ones in the right places and corporations with no previous interests to change do so practically overnight.
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I hear a hippie jam band in the background...lol
I really like pigs. Iv raised animals for slaughter before and done it myself but I dont know if I could kill my own pigs. I know the pork from the store has had a horrid life and its far more humain to raise them yourself. Do you slaughter yours or hire someone? or do you just not eat pork?
If you have never killed one you need to find someone who has or start with a 40 pound pig. It is a lot of work and needs to be in cold weather and done quickly. Bleed the hog and if your going to scrape him have your water good and hot and get some help. You really really need to learn how before tackling this!
@southrncalifgirl1
i must agree, although i feel bad about eating such a sweet little piggie, i think that if they live a good life, what does it matter? they were happy, and they went to heaven, better than factory pigs, ew, so sad and disgusting, im going to eat only organic, local, sustainable meats from now on.
that little fence will not work when they get bigger
once they grow to 200lb they will rip right through that fence
I get as conflicted about slaughtering animals as I do the genocide of bacteria I commit by breathing. The LORD hath given me dominion, and my flesh will one day feed all sorts of living things.
MMmm... bacon!
Amen
I need someone to bring their pigs to my yard to till up my garden.
be careful what you wish for!
you go hippies :)
curious how that all worked out for you. if i had to guess. not worth a crap. lol
Is she making pets out of your dinner? haha
Anything will stink if you just let it sit and rot and not move them around
I live in an area that gets really cold in the Winter, does anyone have some recommendations for someone who is just getting into raising pigs?
Jim N use a hay forr
Jim N fort
They will need protection from the cold and ice. They can stand cold temps if they have a windbreak and a roof. Give them plenty of hay to burrow in. Also I am not talking about below freezing temps. Then they will need some heat.