wish its plot werent so full of holes compared to sc1 though ,but then agen usa productions gota hamfist in a chosen savior gibberish and other realms somehow
I do have a question ... Why the protoss never used the spear of Adun when the Zerg invade Auir. "Because the Spear of Adun was meant to be used as a failsafe to safe the Protoss race and civiliztion" I am pretty sure that an Alien swarm invading your home planet and forcing your people to a mass Exodus qualifies as an apocaliptic threat to your empire and race
If you recall in sc1, The Conclave was convinced that it was winning the war against the Zerg, and spent most of their time trying to capture Tassadar and those who followed him. The Conclave was fool hardy and over confident of their abilities. As Zeratul put it, "they allowed their pride to blind their reason." They died fighting for Aiur instead of fleeing it to fight another day like they should have.
@@solring5721 To be specific. (First I want to mention that your argument makes sense) I meant the Brood War Campaing, when Zeratul convinces Aldaris that they need to evacuate Aiur, why no one tought of using the Spear of Adun in that moment? And yes, I am aware that the spear of Adun din't exist back then in the lore.
@@RexMK- 2 major problems at that time in Brood War. First: they didn't know if any of the arkships were still intact. Second: Anyone short of a top notch phase smith is likely unable to actually start it. Artanis clearly knows where it is from before but because he needs Karax its not until "much later" that he actually gets to Karax and now has a chance to start the arkship.
I never understood the whole plot line of "ancient but advanced". Not in this game, nor others. (Mainly 40k Warhammer). It always seemed like a big cop out that "We have technology that is very old, that we forgot about...but it's way better than anything new!"
civilizations have "peaks" or "golden eras", then, they start to decline and decadence, so the old technology may be better than the new one (also may have different purpouse). That´s what happened with protoss, Ex: Dragoons are more powerful than Stalkers, but they lost the technology to make them when Aiur was destroyed, forcing them to reinforce the existing ones as Inmortals.
It's actually not forgotten, but forbidden. The Spear of Adun was designed specifically as a failsafe in order to insure that the past would have a way to insure that the Protoss would have a means to escape the apocalypse. In other words, specifically for situations like this. The stuff in the ship is actually NOT better than the stuff the protoss armada of the future have, but it is a ship designed at a size that allows it to host a veritable army of Protoss. Pretty much the entirety of the Spear of Adun is just an old super weapon that works because it is big, but all of its best and useful functions come from the upgrades and additions incorporated later.
Ancient but advanced isn't baseless. For example even in our world, there was a mummy called the Lady of Dai. She was preserved in this embalming fluid so good that after centuries, her skin was still soft, and you could bend her muscle tissue etc. Modern scientists haven't been able to recreate that fluid. So ancient but advanced isn't out of the realm of possibility. Sometimes secrets get lost through the years and generations. Plus, the way I remember, they put the best of what they could hope for in the Spear of Adun. And they weren't exactly primitive before if they could build massive arkships.
40k had the Dark Age of Technology. Where the pre Imperium human civilization had greatly advanced and spread across the galaxy. Then the warp stormed and human civilization was isolated among the various planets. While some were able to sustain themselves and advance still, others fell backwards. Then the Emperor and the Crusade happened. Where he crushed many advanced human civilizations in order to bring them to his rule. The Tech Priests of Mars worship technology, but often do not understand what they do or how things work. They just go through the motions of their work, and depend greatly on finding artifact plans and devices. They've also banned things like AI, alien technology, and anyone but them from trying to make new things. They hoard knowledge also. Tech Priests did manage to develop the Lasgun independently. Ancient forge world factories may be the only place in the imperium that can produce certain pieces of tech. When that world is lost to an enemy. The tech is lost forever many times. Imperium worlds are in the millions and hundreds per day are lost or rediscovered. Imperium culture is also incredibly oppressive. Bright innovative minds 99.999% of the time will never know anything but war and suffering. As they fight in a hive gang, get drafted to the Imperial guard, or just never born in the wrong social class to get an education.
protos never beleived in upgrades/maintenance or recycling... "we got an arcship? i bet it will be fine if it sits there for millenia...we dont like collosy anymore?? just trow them into the wharehouse planet" they were the ultimate hoarders
0:22 many will argue that despite having lead a mission Karax still sucks considering he simply backed away from a zergling. A Zergling.... a 1v1able beast for any protoss.... You mean to tell me Karax DOESNT have Psiblades?
He's from the Khalai caste aka not trained at all as a warrior. Heck. Even when he was a hero in the 1st return to Aiur mission his direct combat was fairly lackluster and he relied heavily on his gear and tech powers tocget by
I Believe in the Lore, they essentially use their own Psionic Might to both make their Weapons, and their Shields, and when your Entire race is 3M tall, then Melee is your best friend, and we have to remember, their Psionic attacks are probably stronger than ranged Weapons for the most part. Similar to Space Marines in 40k, Melee is actually the Safest place for them to be, when you are that Big, and your Psionic Blades cut through everything, and your Shields block everything, then Ranged combat becomes Redundant for the most part unless its Supressing or to take out Air or Entrenched Forces.
@@celestienthepaladin488 It probably makes sense in the lore, thanks for that insight. But in real physics it's not hard to deliver a looot of energy remotely, and there's no shield that stops that, or at bast the shield and wielder get blown away together. So it still seems far-fetched.
@@lucaspintospintos423 This is why I stated In the Lore, because when you put Starcraft into Real Scale, you realise alot of things are not the same height comparably. (Not to Mention, Marine armour really increases the height quite abit) Male Protoss are generally between 2-3 Metres tall, averaging at 2.4M-2.7M (8-9ft) After all, Vikings are tiny in Cutscene, but in real lore, they are actually quite big, especially when you think how big a Fighter Plane is in real life, and then know that Vikings are thicker.
Seems offly convenient that this third one went completely untouched during all the years that the Zerg occupied Auir, while the other two were destroyed almost immediately!!!!!
@@davidlivingston9169 Also wondered about that. Reason why is... The rulers of the protoss during the fall of Aiur were the Conclave, residing on Khor´Shakal, just atop the buried Spear of Adun. Although the Conclave was slaughtered, i don´t think their stronghold would fall before the Overmind would be destroyed, letting the zerg fall rampant before the Spear would be reached. As my best guess. I know plot holes can be found.
"Your nerve cords! They MUST BE REMOVED"
-Artanis having PTSD of... previous incidents..
R.I.P to that nerazim zealot protecting karax
Man did nothing to save
@@arnerippey3677Karax had no weapons or training at all. All the more reason the protoss caste system had to be abolished.
I remember 1st time saw this. I thought Leviathan are huge then THIS! The Spear of Adun. 75 km long!
Less of a ship more like a mobile fortress
@@bob96522 Kojima’s eternal wet dream
Even in my lower specs PC this game looks amazing!
wish its plot werent so full of holes compared to sc1 though ,but then agen usa productions gota hamfist in a chosen savior gibberish and other realms somehow
asside that , haveing self sustaining city ships that dubbles as archs to seed barren worlds might jsut be an optimal future for ouer specie.
I do have a question ... Why the protoss never used the spear of Adun when the Zerg invade Auir.
"Because the Spear of Adun was meant to be used as a failsafe to safe the Protoss race and civiliztion"
I am pretty sure that an Alien swarm invading your home planet and forcing your people to a mass Exodus qualifies as an apocaliptic threat to your empire and race
If you recall in sc1, The Conclave was convinced that it was winning the war against the Zerg, and spent most of their time trying to capture Tassadar and those who followed him. The Conclave was fool hardy and over confident of their abilities. As Zeratul put it, "they allowed their pride to blind their reason." They died fighting for Aiur instead of fleeing it to fight another day like they should have.
@@solring5721 To be specific. (First I want to mention that your argument makes sense)
I meant the Brood War Campaing, when Zeratul convinces Aldaris that they need to evacuate Aiur, why no one tought of using the Spear of Adun in that moment?
And yes, I am aware that the spear of Adun din't exist back then in the lore.
@@RexMK- 2 major problems at that time in Brood War. First: they didn't know if any of the arkships were still intact. Second: Anyone short of a top notch phase smith is likely unable to actually start it. Artanis clearly knows where it is from before but because he needs Karax its not until "much later" that he actually gets to Karax and now has a chance to start the arkship.
@@RexMK- well, there was the portal to Shakuras. Why would you use the Spear when you can just walk and reach a safe place?
@@christiantarnoski1231 Fair enought
"Press the deploy pylon button on your command screen"
Wow, much immersion, such gameplay.
I never understood the whole plot line of "ancient but advanced". Not in this game, nor others. (Mainly 40k Warhammer). It always seemed like a big cop out that "We have technology that is very old, that we forgot about...but it's way better than anything new!"
civilizations have "peaks" or "golden eras", then, they start to decline and decadence, so the old technology may be better than the new one (also may have different purpouse). That´s what happened with protoss, Ex: Dragoons are more powerful than Stalkers, but they lost the technology to make them when Aiur was destroyed, forcing them to reinforce the existing ones as Inmortals.
It's actually not forgotten, but forbidden. The Spear of Adun was designed specifically as a failsafe in order to insure that the past would have a way to insure that the Protoss would have a means to escape the apocalypse. In other words, specifically for situations like this. The stuff in the ship is actually NOT better than the stuff the protoss armada of the future have, but it is a ship designed at a size that allows it to host a veritable army of Protoss. Pretty much the entirety of the Spear of Adun is just an old super weapon that works because it is big, but all of its best and useful functions come from the upgrades and additions incorporated later.
Ancient but advanced isn't baseless. For example even in our world, there was a mummy called the Lady of Dai. She was preserved in this embalming fluid so good that after centuries, her skin was still soft, and you could bend her muscle tissue etc. Modern scientists haven't been able to recreate that fluid. So ancient but advanced isn't out of the realm of possibility. Sometimes secrets get lost through the years and generations. Plus, the way I remember, they put the best of what they could hope for in the Spear of Adun. And they weren't exactly primitive before if they could build massive arkships.
Watch "Ancient Aliens" series, it's very cool documentary, also, the voice actor, pretty sure as a Starcraft fan you'll recognize that one :)
40k had the Dark Age of Technology. Where the pre Imperium human civilization had greatly advanced and spread across the galaxy. Then the warp stormed and human civilization was isolated among the various planets. While some were able to sustain themselves and advance still, others fell backwards. Then the Emperor and the Crusade happened. Where he crushed many advanced human civilizations in order to bring them to his rule. The Tech Priests of Mars worship technology, but often do not understand what they do or how things work. They just go through the motions of their work, and depend greatly on finding artifact plans and devices. They've also banned things like AI, alien technology, and anyone but them from trying to make new things. They hoard knowledge also. Tech Priests did manage to develop the Lasgun independently. Ancient forge world factories may be the only place in the imperium that can produce certain pieces of tech. When that world is lost to an enemy. The tech is lost forever many times. Imperium worlds are in the millions and hundreds per day are lost or rediscovered. Imperium culture is also incredibly oppressive. Bright innovative minds 99.999% of the time will never know anything but war and suffering. As they fight in a hive gang, get drafted to the Imperial guard, or just never born in the wrong social class to get an education.
protos never beleived in upgrades/maintenance or recycling... "we got an arcship? i bet it will be fine if it sits there for millenia...we dont like collosy anymore?? just trow them into the wharehouse planet" they were the ultimate hoarders
Feels more like a sign of stagnation of millenia old protoss tech was about the same as modern day one.
@@emperium108 The Protoss had reached a technological plateau. They were still making breakthroughs in some areas but in others not much.
When our culture shined as a constelation...
*Warps in blasting the Corrupted Protoss to by time for the Spear of Adun to escape*
0:22 many will argue that despite having lead a mission Karax still sucks considering he simply backed away from a zergling. A Zergling.... a 1v1able beast for any protoss.... You mean to tell me Karax DOESNT have Psiblades?
He's from the Khalai caste aka not trained at all as a warrior. Heck. Even when he was a hero in the 1st return to Aiur mission his direct combat was fairly lackluster and he relied heavily on his gear and tech powers tocget by
@@dragonfable66 Good point.....
The real question is what the heck was he doing on the battlefield
Champion JUT1N good question
@@jut1n89 Selendis assigned him to Zeratul in the previous misson to work on the abandoned base, Artanis just picked him up on his way back.
Hard to believe such a technologically advanced civilization would fight hand to hand
Goes to show the power of religion xD
I Believe in the Lore, they essentially use their own Psionic Might to both make their Weapons, and their Shields, and when your Entire race is 3M tall, then Melee is your best friend, and we have to remember, their Psionic attacks are probably stronger than ranged Weapons for the most part.
Similar to Space Marines in 40k, Melee is actually the Safest place for them to be, when you are that Big, and your Psionic Blades cut through everything, and your Shields block everything, then Ranged combat becomes Redundant for the most part unless its Supressing or to take out Air or Entrenched Forces.
@@celestienthepaladin488 It probably makes sense in the lore, thanks for that insight.
But in real physics it's not hard to deliver a looot of energy remotely, and there's no shield that stops that, or at bast the shield and wielder get blown away together. So it still seems far-fetched.
@@celestienthepaladin488 i don't think they are 3 meters tall, artanis wasn't that tall compared to jim and sara on cutscenes
@@lucaspintospintos423 This is why I stated In the Lore, because when you put Starcraft into Real Scale, you realise alot of things are not the same height comparably. (Not to Mention, Marine armour really increases the height quite abit)
Male Protoss are generally between 2-3 Metres tall, averaging at 2.4M-2.7M (8-9ft)
After all, Vikings are tiny in Cutscene, but in real lore, they are actually quite big, especially when you think how big a Fighter Plane is in real life, and then know that Vikings are thicker.
I remember playing this mission and getting MAJOR flashbacks to Zeratul’s mission/The Overmind’s future vision during Wings of Liberty
You can only commandeer one.
Raynor's Hyperion
Kerrigan's Leviathan
Or
Artanis' Spear of Adun
Ooh ooh ooh I’m going with the spear
@@JamailvanWestering Nothing beats a 100km star fortress.
Thank the god the protoss had stalkers and dark templar with them in the invasion most took care of the high templar's nerve cords
Ah your ship is too bright, it pains my eyes.
Reminds me of the aeldari craftworld
What happened to the other two Great Ark Ships!????
they were destroyed during the fall of Aiur on the Zerg invasion
Seems offly convenient that this third one went completely untouched during all the years that the Zerg occupied Auir, while the other two were destroyed almost immediately!!!!!
@@davidlivingston9169 yeah Iknow but tell that to plot writers XD
@@davidlivingston9169 Also wondered about that. Reason why is... The rulers of the protoss during the fall of Aiur were the Conclave, residing on Khor´Shakal, just atop the buried Spear of Adun. Although the Conclave was slaughtered, i don´t think their stronghold would fall before the Overmind would be destroyed, letting the zerg fall rampant before the Spear would be reached.
As my best guess. I know plot holes can be found.
17 Zerg mutants gave this Protoss cinematic a thumbs down. LOL.
pls use shift in your deployment, its pain to see how you spawning zealots
He is playing on normal, what would you expect
@@filipbitala2624 I play on normal and this is still killing me inside
Spear of Adun is ancient?
Bruh, looks like it's from the way beyond future.
Protoss technology standard is high as heck
How metals formed in by using protoss tech. (Can metals formed from gas to Crystal and Crystal form in to metallic elements in science?.)
Comentarii ?
Put a phishing pool in the middle.
they never got the chance to activate the ship. during the first war, the conclave's arrogant views blinded them until it was too late.
How to stay alive
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why the fck does a protos has a beard ?
It is not a beard, he has a birth defect.
Why mot
I just realized Karax looks like the typical cliche smithy
He and Swann can almost pass as dwarves.