Instead of trying to make a corvette e-ray, they should have gone for prius. Take a z125 and add a motor, call it a Ninja 3 Hybrid. Giga commuter status.
oh man you missed to test the best thing... when you are in sport mode and standing still, press the eboost button until the bar on the display is flashing, and when you ready then full throttle... that thing flys of the line like a 1000cc bike.
These small motorcycles are already extremely efficient. All that weight and complexity for what? Yes the tech is "cool" until they break. Too expensive to justify buying this over a standard Ninja.
Nice to see Kawasaki still being innovative! Alex, you could not have explained better on the tech side. The bike is not for everyone. New tech and fancy first run, always comes at a price. More great content from Alex and Kase!
Super cool that you were able to try it. I own a 2021 4XE I bought new. Love the EV mode in town, sure I only work 7 miles from home, but as you, I love the tech! I have 2 Electric MTBs and a scooter. Thank you for the quick review!
I like that Kawasaki is innovating… but who honestly felt like the ~65 mpg that the ninja 500 gets is a problem? Double the price for 10 extra hp and 10 mpg???
In long run this bike will spawn better tech that will be worthwhile adapting to other platforms. Its like a gen 1 prius right now wait until its gen 3 youll say thank goodness people bought the gen 1 so it kept going. Look what happened to the trail 90 it became trail 110 now traik 125 and i have one. The prius sucmed at first then it got a little better but not really but better and then the current gen its trending good it looks better than gen 1 prius.
@@verothacamaro not really only tyrants seem to be concerned with it. The gender confused carbonphobes. As for me i do not care about emissions the more junk bogging it down the worse i just want better bikes
@@JEP-Techits not the power of a 1000. The whole "acceleration of a 1000" is true for a lot of bikes until they reach a certain. A 600 cc can keep up with a 1000 until around 70 mph. It's not because the 600 is just as powerful. It's because the 1000 cannot use its full potential at lower speeds. Liter bikes are race bikes. Designed for going 100+. Not for riders that want to keep it below 100.
tbh they probably only made 3 of them. watching the press videos they made it sound like this is a test and they want feedback on what needs to be improved
Thanks for the video, I think this might be of interest to someone commuting but for someone who likes the sound of the engine and changing gears it's not really going to cut it, certainly not for me as part of the motorcycle experience comes from the sound and being in full control of the bike where Man and bike become one. The gears on the electric motor are an interesting concept, it's a pity we don't see gearboxes in electric cars, reason being, it's mostly not needed but it could mean the opportunity to make low power electric cars work better at higher speeds rather than releasing more and more powerful and much more expensive cars. The other thing I can't stand on bikes are TFT screens, menus, modes, lots of switches, this would drive me nuts and it would be very distracting. The same old issues of higher cost and what happens when it breaks out of warranty ? One huge attraction with bikes is many of them are very simple, if something goes wrong they are easy fix unless it's one of those bikes with all the tech. I think we need to go back to just simple and basic, cars are so complex now they are almost disposable out of warranty if something happens.
Crazy that you don’t life TFT displays. I love them. I like that they provide info such as Bluetooth connectivity, they show lots of engine data like temp numbers instead of gauges, gear indicators, detailed trip meters including mpg, drive time, etc.
@@jetta.josh4 I can understand TFT on commuter bikes maybe but I prefer the analogue clocks , they just look far nicer. I don't need to be distracted with anything while riding, I just want to ride, man and machine no tech , as little as possible. I work in I.T , deal with tech all the time, have tech at home , ipads, phones etc, the bike is my escape from the modern world and looking into screens which have taken over so many people's lives.
As a novelty it cool. To be first or one of the first in the market is brave, it might not be a first bike but next to your first or second gen Prius, it might be fun
Favorite part of automatic transmissions on bikes is the inclusion of a reverse gear; makes life much more convenient. Just need a backup camera to clearly see directly behind the bike…
Wonder how the stop sale is going to sit with potential buyers. To me, 12.5k for a hybrid that adds a lot more complication for things to go wrong is a deal breaker. There are too many other choices out there that have track records of being easy to work on without needing a dealer. I'll stick with my almost five year old T7.
I laughed at this contraption Kawi made. But I talked to some friends and tbh it's a good idea. If you have a custom exhaust, leaving late night, or coming up to some dog walkers. You could turn on EV mode and go silent for a bit. I can see myself getting one just for commuting. But I wish they would reintroduce a regular shifter.
Its a bit odd if you ask me but we have to remember its badically the first hybrid like this a lot of people were wondering if it was possible so they tried and thats cool
Well I know this is the earliest model but ..... I like the the fact that Kawasaki finally has created the TRUE "ninja" with this all electric (quiet) mode .... Later on after a few more versions it could be a good option for the sportier and louder bikes in certain areas to avoid cops and stuff....
@@scottnewman5907I’ve been riding and working on bikes for 16 years. There is a reason why big channels don’t focus on reviewing those types of bikes. It’s like asking them to review SUVs when sports cars are more popular and interesting.
Well, Alex, I did not hear the enthusiasm in your voice on this one. I am guessing it does not get your wheels turning enough to consider it for a purchase. And I respect your view on it. One gets a couple extra features that one would not get on a standard Ninja and a smidgen more Eco range. But is that worth the extra thousands of dollars? I say no. You get more weight, you lose your foot shifter. You gain status for being in the new tested hybrid market. And if this does not catch on, you might have a bike worth a few more penny's on resale down the road. As a quiet bike with adequate to good get up and go, I think it would look outstanding in Black. Black with the hybrid color going down the side of the bike. Almost TRON like graphic.
Why not a sports tourer bike, like a Versys, focused on torque and fuel efficiency, I strongly believe that would be very nice to make trips on it. An upright riding position, good suspension to cope with whatever road you find, comfortable seat and a good mileage, you can't go wrong with that.
Interesting because to me, this lands between 2 markets; both who won’t buy it. 125cc-250cc frugal full time commuters who want mileage won’t buy this, and recreational sport bike riders do not want to take the power and weight hit.
I think this is a neat idea. Is it weird that I wanna see the eboost on a z1000? Or at least the 650. I think this could really be Kawi's thing. Other than being the stat sheet warrior's bike.
It's really nice to see more automatic bikes and now even a hybrid, best of both worlds! Simple to operate and good on range(?), but slow and heavy. Personally, I don't like the styling and colorway, reminds me too much of an electric lawnmower, frankly. The engine doesn't sound great to my ears either. I guess this is the Toyota Prius of motorbikes now.
Well on the positive side you can save a lot of money spendings on gasoline.and if you run out of fuel it can get you at least at a gasoline station using the electric motor.✌️😊 Hope someone can review this on a very long ride for pros and cons While some guys show off their fast sport bikes , loud exhaust and like to look cool I'd buy this for chill ride and getting from point a to point b and still looks cool😅
I get this is new tech for a motorcycle. Yet for the price and mpg this doesn’t make sense. Honda NC750X is an automatic that you can almost get the same mileage with if you don’t ride to aggressively with it, and it’s cheaper.
So... you're essentially getting a 4 or 5 class bike with a 7 class price tag... that will severely downgrade itself in performance over time when the battery begins to crap out? Did I get that right?
I think this bike is made for EU city laws that ban gas vehicles for in town. at the same time this is a test of the tech so they can get ahead of the market so that are farther along than their competitors. when it comes to the US i think the only really redeeming thing is the off the line performance or people who like being different, outside of that skip it.
There was an issue where it could shift to N instead of second. The ECU needed a software update to resolve the shifting issue, since it's an electronic shifting due to the ICE and Electric motor integration. I think as long as it's taken to an authorized Kawasaki service center then they can update it.
Motorcycles are already very fuel efficient due to being much lighter than cars. A pure electric is cool for the torque performance. But a hybrid… why?
It took the stealership 4 months May to the end of August to fix my 4-hour old KLR 650. They did a terrible job, and it's now December, and my bike is still missing a decal. Good luck with the hybrid motorcycle. I'm sure if anything goes wrong, you'll be fine ......lmfao A KLR 650 has 1 cylinder and 4 decals. Mine is still leaking oil. 1 decal is missing.
They should have use the ninja 650 engine with a different bore and stroke and make it a true 700cc .as a owner of a ZX7R the use of the 7 on this is pure sacrilege
No new tech in this motorcycle! Its been around at least for 20 years ! They just putit in the motorcycle ! Otherwise pretty nice bike, but for that price i’ll get myself a brand new yamaha r9 or zx6r or 10 other bikes , may be even cheapper! Even My 2018 cbr 1000 is 35-40 mpg . Nog much of a savings there but getting half of the bike😝🤪🤟🤷🏻♂️
There is NO point to it. Motorcycle people LIKE an Engine and sound as well as engaging with the Bike through a Clutch/shifting. The people who WOULD like this from a GREEN aspect....HATE Motorcycles! Screw the WOKE signaling and build AFFORDABLE Bikes again Kawi. I will keep riding my '88 Ninja 750 I bought new for 4K!
@@SimonRiley752 This isn't the first Auto to be had, and none of them were successful. All Electric would even make SOME sense but this abomination is Overpriced and DOA! Old= been there done that.
I think this really is just a engineering exercise so that Kawasaki can learn to put a bike like this together. Emission standards are getting worse and worse and it won't be long before all bikes will have to be built like this. Give it 10 more years I reckon😢😢😢
The value of this is honestly terrible in my opinion. If yall want the BEST value on two wheels, its a scooter. Hands down. Drop the ego and just get one! The Yamaha X Max is $6,200, does 90mph, gets 70mpg and is automatic so its super easy to ride in traffic. If you only ride in the city get the Zuma 125, $3,800 and gets 100mpg! Trust me guys, once you let that ego go its nothing but sweet bliss and LOTS of money saving!
The whole point of motorcycles is not 'for best value'. Wouldn't be caught dead on a scooter. What's blissful about it? I like the engagement of a manual transmission. I like to walk away from my bike and look back and admire it. I like the punch of the acceleration. I have a Yamaha R3 that I paid $4500 for that can do over 100 mph and gets 84mpg. Takes regular fuel, is 30 lbs lighter than an X-max with more horsepower and better brakes and comfortable all day. That's my commuter. My fun bike is more expensive to ride and worth every penny. Still way cheaper than going anywhere in a car.
Not going to sell good. Wrong consumer target. Kamala lost. The requirement will not be there. If I was going to buy any kind of electric bike, I would buy it from an electric bike manufacturer, not Kawasaki or one of the other big three Japanese manufacturers. Leave electric to Surron and companies like that. It’s a different customer.
I heard the same thing about scooters, and yet all the other scooter owners I meet prefer my Suzuki Burgman. I also heard the same thing about the Ford Powerboost, and yet it turned out phenomenal with raving reviews and sales numbers to match.
Instead of trying to make a corvette e-ray, they should have gone for prius.
Take a z125 and add a motor, call it a Ninja 3 Hybrid. Giga commuter status.
they have that full ev bike thats basically that
Disagree, there aren't many electrified bikes that look like normal bikes
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 yeah, for 40 miles, max.
The good thing about commuter bikes is that you can ride them on weekdays *and* weekends.
oh man you missed to test the best thing... when you are in sport mode and standing still, press the eboost button until the bar on the display is flashing, and when you ready then full throttle... that thing flys of the line like a 1000cc bike.
These small motorcycles are already extremely efficient. All that weight and complexity for what? Yes the tech is "cool" until they break. Too expensive to justify buying this over a standard Ninja.
Fascist governments will make all private transportation illegal, unless it's electronic and they can control it remotely and track you.
Ya but Those CLocks/ Gauges are OutStand'N!
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Nice to see Kawasaki still being innovative! Alex, you could not have explained better on the tech side. The bike is not for everyone. New tech and fancy first run, always comes at a price. More great content from Alex and Kase!
Super cool that you were able to try it. I own a 2021 4XE I bought new. Love the EV mode in town, sure I only work 7 miles from home, but as you, I love the tech! I have 2 Electric MTBs and a scooter. Thank you for the quick review!
I like that Kawasaki is innovating… but who honestly felt like the ~65 mpg that the ninja 500 gets is a problem? Double the price for 10 extra hp and 10 mpg???
In long run this bike will spawn better tech that will be worthwhile adapting to other platforms. Its like a gen 1 prius right now wait until its gen 3 youll say thank goodness people bought the gen 1 so it kept going. Look what happened to the trail 90 it became trail 110 now traik 125 and i have one. The prius sucmed at first then it got a little better but not really but better and then the current gen its trending good it looks better than gen 1 prius.
It’s not just about fuel efficiency. There are customers that want to offset emissions as well.
@@verothacamaro not really only tyrants seem to be concerned with it. The gender confused carbonphobes. As for me i do not care about emissions the more junk bogging it down the worse i just want better bikes
You get the power of a larger 1000cc bike, but the fuel efficiency of a scooter or 250cc bike. It's combining the best of both into a midsize bike.
@@JEP-Techits not the power of a 1000. The whole "acceleration of a 1000" is true for a lot of bikes until they reach a certain. A 600 cc can keep up with a 1000 until around 70 mph. It's not because the 600 is just as powerful. It's because the 1000 cannot use its full potential at lower speeds.
Liter bikes are race bikes. Designed for going 100+. Not for riders that want to keep it below 100.
They’re gonna sell 3 of these
tbh they probably only made 3 of them. watching the press videos they made it sound like this is a test and they want feedback on what needs to be improved
They may Sell 3000 Every 2--yrs, it ShouLda been Call'd 575 😮Something, Wonder Howv$$$ Much
My large local Kawa dealer has sold 0.
Thanks for the video, I think this might be of interest to someone commuting but for someone who likes the sound of the engine and changing gears it's not really going to cut it, certainly not for me as part of the motorcycle experience comes from the sound and being in full control of the bike where Man and bike become one.
The gears on the electric motor are an interesting concept, it's a pity we don't see gearboxes in electric cars, reason being, it's mostly not needed but it could mean the opportunity to make low power electric cars work better at higher speeds rather than releasing more and more powerful and much more expensive cars.
The other thing I can't stand on bikes are TFT screens, menus, modes, lots of switches, this would drive me nuts and it would be very distracting.
The same old issues of higher cost and what happens when it breaks out of warranty ? One huge attraction with bikes is many of them are very simple, if something goes wrong they are easy fix unless it's one of those bikes with all the tech.
I think we need to go back to just simple and basic, cars are so complex now they are almost disposable out of warranty if something happens.
Crazy that you don’t life TFT displays. I love them. I like that they provide info such as Bluetooth connectivity, they show lots of engine data like temp numbers instead of gauges, gear indicators, detailed trip meters including mpg, drive time, etc.
@@jetta.josh4 I can understand TFT on commuter bikes maybe but I prefer the analogue clocks , they just look far nicer.
I don't need to be distracted with anything while riding, I just want to ride, man and machine no tech , as little as possible.
I work in I.T , deal with tech all the time, have tech at home , ipads, phones etc, the bike is my escape from the modern world and looking into screens which have taken over so many people's lives.
I rented a small Ninja in the UK and really liked it for the riding I did. I'd definitely be interested in renting this bike on holiday.
As a novelty it cool. To be first or one of the first in the market is brave, it might not be a first bike but next to your first or second gen Prius, it might be fun
Scl500 hybrid is this dumb idea?
Favorite part of automatic transmissions on bikes is the inclusion of a reverse gear; makes life much more convenient. Just need a backup camera to clearly see directly behind the bike…
With those sentiments you probably shouldn't be riding anything but a Goldwing.
Wonder how the stop sale is going to sit with potential buyers. To me, 12.5k for a hybrid that adds a lot more complication for things to go wrong is a deal breaker. There are too many other choices out there that have track records of being easy to work on without needing a dealer. I'll stick with my almost five year old T7.
I laughed at this contraption Kawi made. But I talked to some friends and tbh it's a good idea. If you have a custom exhaust, leaving late night, or coming up to some dog walkers. You could turn on EV mode and go silent for a bit. I can see myself getting one just for commuting. But I wish they would reintroduce a regular shifter.
Its a bit odd if you ask me but we have to remember its badically the first hybrid like this a lot of people were wondering if it was possible so they tried and thats cool
Well I know this is the earliest model but ..... I like the the fact that Kawasaki finally has created the TRUE "ninja" with this all electric (quiet) mode .... Later on after a few more versions it could be a good option for the sportier and louder bikes in certain areas to avoid cops and stuff....
Love the channel but can we get some reviews on larger bikes like baggers or touring cruiser’s for a change? Thanks!
Here’s your review. Should cover all baggers and tourers. Still slow, too heavy, overpriced, and still aren’t as interesting as Japanese bikes 😂
@ your comment shows your maturity level and what little you know about motorcycles.
@@scottnewman5907I’ve been riding and working on bikes for 16 years. There is a reason why big channels don’t focus on reviewing those types of bikes. It’s like asking them to review SUVs when sports cars are more popular and interesting.
Well, Alex, I did not hear the enthusiasm in your voice on this one. I am guessing it does not get your wheels turning enough to consider it for a purchase. And I respect your view on it. One gets a couple extra features that one would not get on a standard Ninja and a smidgen more Eco range. But is that worth the extra thousands of dollars? I say no. You get more weight, you lose your foot shifter. You gain status for being in the new tested hybrid market. And if this does not catch on, you might have a bike worth a few more penny's on resale down the road. As a quiet bike with adequate to good get up and go, I think it would look outstanding in Black. Black with the hybrid color going down the side of the bike. Almost TRON like graphic.
Why not a sports tourer bike, like a Versys, focused on torque and fuel efficiency, I strongly believe that would be very nice to make trips on it.
An upright riding position, good suspension to cope with whatever road you find, comfortable seat and a good mileage, you can't go wrong with that.
Interesting because to me, this lands between 2 markets; both who won’t buy it. 125cc-250cc frugal full time commuters who want mileage won’t buy this, and recreational sport bike riders do not want to take the power and weight hit.
Hard to beat the reliability and reputation of Kawasaki.
I think this is a neat idea. Is it weird that I wanna see the eboost on a z1000? Or at least the 650. I think this could really be Kawi's thing. Other than being the stat sheet warrior's bike.
It's really nice to see more automatic bikes and now even a hybrid, best of both worlds! Simple to operate and good on range(?), but slow and heavy. Personally, I don't like the styling and colorway, reminds me too much of an electric lawnmower, frankly. The engine doesn't sound great to my ears either. I guess this is the Toyota Prius of motorbikes now.
how much it cost to replace the battery?
The battery will last decades.
Well on the positive side you can save a lot of money spendings on gasoline.and if you run out of fuel it can get you at least at a gasoline station using the electric motor.✌️😊
Hope someone can review this on a very long ride for pros and cons
While some guys show off their fast sport bikes , loud exhaust and like to look cool
I'd buy this for chill ride and getting from point a to point b and still looks cool😅
I get this is new tech for a motorcycle. Yet for the price and mpg this doesn’t make sense. Honda NC750X is an automatic that you can almost get the same mileage with if you don’t ride to aggressively with it, and it’s cheaper.
So... you're essentially getting a 4 or 5 class bike with a 7 class price tag... that will severely downgrade itself in performance over time when the battery begins to crap out?
Did I get that right?
I think this bike is made for EU city laws that ban gas vehicles for in town. at the same time this is a test of the tech so they can get ahead of the market so that are farther along than their competitors. when it comes to the US i think the only really redeeming thing is the off the line performance or people who like being different, outside of that skip it.
Battery is half the cost of the bike and needs replaced every 5-10 years.
@@logangodofcandy You got receipts? Cause batteries are hovering around 125$ a kw right now and this bikes got a 1.3kw battery.
Wasn't there a stop sale on these? If so, was the issue resolved?
There was an issue where it could shift to N instead of second. The ECU needed a software update to resolve the shifting issue, since it's an electronic shifting due to the ICE and Electric motor integration. I think as long as it's taken to an authorized Kawasaki service center then they can update it.
I'm just here to comment... I'm just waiting for the new AutoTrans MT-Series reviews.
No comment
They should put their 650 motor in one
It has a 😮WaLk mode, & it Sounds Senior FriendLy
Big fan of Kawasaki, just not This one, Always enjoy input from your content
Im interested in this if it like a car hybrid
Nice and quiet if you want to be sneaky for criminal activity. 😂😜
True ‘Ninja’🥷, should be flat black.
Motorcycles are already very fuel efficient due to being much lighter than cars. A pure electric is cool for the torque performance. But a hybrid… why?
No they aren't. My hybrid uses less fuel than a 300, and it carries 5 people plus a trunk of stuff.
This thing is just Kawasaki preparing for Euro6.
Im gonna get one
Shrink the battery by 80% and remove the plug (making it more like a standard hybrid) to reduce the weight, then drop the price by $2.5k
The extra boost is all you really need. The rest of the time, the battery is pointless.
There is no plug......
This may be cool as a commuter bike
The Kawasaki KLX 250 s makes like 30 + km/liter
$12,500? I can buy a Suzuki GSX-S1000GT+ for that.
Automatic transmission on amotocycle is dangerous
It took the stealership 4 months May to the end of August to fix my 4-hour old KLR 650. They did a terrible job, and it's now December, and my bike is still missing a decal.
Good luck with the hybrid motorcycle. I'm sure if anything goes wrong, you'll be fine ......lmfao
A KLR 650 has 1 cylinder and 4 decals. Mine is still leaking oil. 1 decal is missing.
They should have use the ninja 650 engine with a different bore and stroke and make it a true 700cc .as a owner of a ZX7R the use of the 7 on this is pure sacrilege
That's trash that it only goes 45. You'll end up getting hurt on that. Needs to atleast go 115mph
It only goes 45 in EV mode for restricted city centres in some European cities.
The looks alone are putting me off
Heck my CFMoto 450ss gets 60mpgs
No new tech in this motorcycle! Its been around at least for 20 years ! They just putit in the motorcycle ! Otherwise pretty nice bike, but for that price i’ll get myself a brand new yamaha r9 or zx6r or 10 other bikes , may be even cheapper! Even My 2018 cbr 1000 is 35-40 mpg . Nog much of a savings there but getting half of the bike😝🤪🤟🤷🏻♂️
Overweight, overly complex, expensive, impossible to self repair. No one wants these.
There is NO point to it. Motorcycle people LIKE an Engine and sound as well as engaging with the Bike through a Clutch/shifting. The people who WOULD like this from a GREEN aspect....HATE Motorcycles! Screw the WOKE signaling and build AFFORDABLE Bikes again Kawi. I will keep riding my '88 Ninja 750 I bought new for 4K!
You're not speaking for all motorcyclists. Many love the idea of an AT (though not necessarily THIS one). OH... 1988 Ninja. Boomer status confirmed.
@@SimonRiley752 This isn't the first Auto to be had, and none of them were successful. All Electric would even make SOME sense but this abomination is Overpriced and DOA! Old= been there done that.
Strongly agree👍
I don’t discriminate. All motorcycles are cool and I think what Kawasaki has attempted is worth appreciating. Different stroke…
I think this really is just a engineering exercise so that Kawasaki can learn to put a bike like this together. Emission standards are getting worse and worse and it won't be long before all bikes will have to be built like this. Give it 10 more years I reckon😢😢😢
But why not keep a clutch lever? No clutch controllability is a deal breaker bro
I like this bike but I have a feeling like since the tech is so new it will brake and if they make a new one it will be much better.
The value of this is honestly terrible in my opinion. If yall want the BEST value on two wheels, its a scooter. Hands down. Drop the ego and just get one! The Yamaha X Max is $6,200, does 90mph, gets 70mpg and is automatic so its super easy to ride in traffic. If you only ride in the city get the Zuma 125, $3,800 and gets 100mpg!
Trust me guys, once you let that ego go its nothing but sweet bliss and LOTS of money saving!
The whole point of motorcycles is not 'for best value'. Wouldn't be caught dead on a scooter. What's blissful about it? I like the engagement of a manual transmission. I like to walk away from my bike and look back and admire it. I like the punch of the acceleration. I have a Yamaha R3 that I paid $4500 for that can do over 100 mph and gets 84mpg. Takes regular fuel, is 30 lbs lighter than an X-max with more horsepower and better brakes and comfortable all day. That's my commuter. My fun bike is more expensive to ride and worth every penny. Still way cheaper than going anywhere in a car.
That is lame as hell. Men don't ride scooters. Girls and boys do. Men have real bikes with real power
The ball microwaver. 😅 No thanks
It's the bike that every teenage girl is hoping to get.
Nice try Greta
This bike got made because she was right and the EU and Asia are adopting these requirements. What a dumb comment.
Not going to sell good. Wrong consumer target. Kamala lost. The requirement will not be there. If I was going to buy any kind of electric bike, I would buy it from an electric bike manufacturer, not Kawasaki or one of the other big three Japanese manufacturers. Leave electric to Surron and companies like that. It’s a different customer.
I heard the same thing about scooters, and yet all the other scooter owners I meet prefer my Suzuki Burgman.
I also heard the same thing about the Ford Powerboost, and yet it turned out phenomenal with raving reviews and sales numbers to match.
I have never seen one. Guess they aren't selling.