I think another reason why Mark was struggling initially against Thula was because he was letting his actions and reactions be slowed down by thinking to much instead of fully back on instinct which would also explain why Viltrumites have such a brutal fighting style especially when against each other because it's what's most effective for surviving much like during the great purge.
Nah humans are just like viltrumutes without the adrenaline so a male teenager on adrenaline should match a more weapon orientated female viltrumite who was doubting him
He just wasn't fighting to kill like she was. He was holding back because he didn't want to kill her. The Omni man had to make him aware of the stakes. If Mark didn't prove himself, a stronger viltrumite would probably kill him since they didn't consider him worth existing.
@Nigerianator ??? No human will be able to take down any Viltrumite even if it was a male human on female viltrumite. Thula is one of the strongest viltrumites and Invincible was overpowered by another female Viltrumite named Anissa in the comics when he got even stronger, so it is clear sexual dimorphism is not at least a prevalent thing in Viltrumite biology. A normal Viltrumite would squash a normal human, no question
Personally I think Viltrumites arent as skilled as one would expect given their age. The fact is Viltrumites are so strong they steamroll their opponents quickly that they dont develop hand to hand skills. We saw this in Mark vs Lucan and Mark vs Thula. Mark hit them with complicated combination atacks. Lucan landed a punch when Mark missed his uppercut. Mark landed a solid combo on Thula too. The only exception I see is Nolan. During his time as a friend of the Guardians. He didnt kill his enemies so he learned combo moves. He also learned to watch a team mates back look how accurately he threw Vidor at Thula to give Mark time to recover. Immortal did that. Nolan has a lot of experience he could have probably taken 2 at the same time. Thats why there were three of them.
That's a good point. It would seem some Viltrumites don't have much technique because they are just so used to being stronger than anything they fight.
They're more similar to brawlers and boxers with a hint of kicking now and then. Viltrimites may not have 4000 years of chinese martial arts but their experience could overcome it and whatever physical might they have. It's like a human fighting a gorilla or a chimpanzee.
@@jonathanathor117 yup it works for them until they met an 18 year old with years worth of skill and their strength and durability. Given time Mark will only get better
Being a "reservist" of the Guardian of the Globe definitely gave Nolan some needed training on how to be a team player. Its clear he is not in a leadership position, nor wants to be in a leadership position of the GoG. But what's clear is that he learned to not only balance out his power set to the GoG's but to also play into his strength like saving War-woman and Darkwing, 'bullying' enemies with his presence like in the Maulers and the Lizard League's case. Hell, you can even see Nolan saving civilians/soldiers that Immortal has thrown in the air, allowing the Guardians to focus against the Maulers. And yeah, only knockouts, no killing as by Earth justice standards. 😁
It was also said that there hasn’t been viltrumite on viltrumite violence since the purge. Omniman is regarded as some sort of powerful figure by the three he fights. My theory is that viltrumites don’t have any skill because they overwhelmingly destroy their opponents, like Vidar says about the bug people, you touch them and they die. Mark and Nolan held back immensely on earth so they learned more skill rather than blowing a hole in their opponents with one move. The three they fought seem to fall apart after getting blocked or countered. The only damage omniman suffered was due to an all in attack by a dying Lucan. Even in the purge flash back it’s nothing but all in cheap shots that instantly kill their target.
Finally someone else pointed out that the Viltrumites fight like Superman, well sorta as Thula actually uses a skill based style for her own enjoyment more or less. Superman just flies full tilt at his foe and punches them really hard, thats kinda it for him as the first and last thing he would choose to do. While not a simple as Superman Viltrumites rarely fight anything on their level so they never really have to develop styles or skill too finely for fighting. now compare these two to another fictional space warrior race, the Saiyans, these guys live to fight anything that could be a challenge and train from nearly birth to death for this one joy. I think even if some how a Viltrumite was stronger than a Saiyan they met it would still be a fairly one sided fight as the Saiyan would tear the Viltrumite up with a sizable skill advantage. Then take into account Saiyans prefer to fight foes either as strong or stronger while the Viltrumites seem to only target anyone weaker than them you have quite the clash of both culture and mindset. It'd be a fun interaction to see I think.
Bro the Viltrumites are also trained from birth, they have fought numerous formidable foes as well like Ragnars(a bit of spoiler, that species literally eats Viltrumites)
hasn't it been said that before Goku came along Saiyans only believed in raw birth strength? like they never trained and only relied on the strength they were naturally given instead of earning it?
The viltrumites Target anything they don't only go after the weak the grand regent of the empire willingly fought the strongest being in the galaxy later in the comics They have no issues fighting stronger beings than them
@@sidestep5435 never said it did I said density as in weight as to what the narrator was referring to. Although density is not necessarily connected to weight it’s kinda identical. Which is more dense fresh water or salt water? Guess which weighs more as well. 🤷🏾♂️
@hermanporter1747 density is literally how tightly molecules are packed so if you have something mixed into the water logically it would be more tightly packed than solvent free water however there are multiple cases where things can be heavier and lighter but also be denser and less dense
I don't think the Viltrumites are as dense as humans. In season 1 there's a villain that throws a bunch of stuff at Mark making them break on impact but Mark remains still. There's also a scene when he first gets his powers where he tells the bully to punch him, he gets punched in the chest and doesn't flinch. What I believe is the show is being inconsistent with these characteristic like he should weight way more than a normal human, regular chairs would break if they sat on them. The way to go around this is by saying that they subconsciously use their flying ability to regulate their weight when interacting with such objects. Great video btw keep it up!
My personal headcannon is that biochemically they're not human. Something like how the angels from evangelion have the same genetics as humans but are different obviously.
Their bodies are capable of some sort of kinetic/thermal energy manipulation/absorption/redirection, which is used for flight, defense and punching hard.
Yeah they're definitely a lot denser /durable than humans in pretty much every way. Otherwise they would basically explode every time they delivered a hit
@@OK-yy6qz The only way for them to be as dense as humans is if their cells have graphene properties and their muscles are like carbon nanotubes. But it still doesn't explain how they are able to lift over 400 tons with ease. Their muscles and bones HAVE to be dense so they can generate enough force to lift over 400 tons.
pretty sure in the comics when the Invincible re-animen are made someone says that their tissue is extremely dense like cutting through solid rock more than meat
Exactly! That was D.A Sinclair when Cecil asked him to send them to help Mark fight with Conquest and he said they weren't ready because of the reasons you pointed out. He said they had to invent completely new tools to be able to go through their atomic bonds.
Also, what you've forgotten to sneak in there is Viltrumite physiology sees you get stronger, the older you get. And Thula is literally thousands of years older than Mark, from the looks of it. Props to him for even keeping up at one point.. Great video 👍🏾
@@surgeonsergio6839 Her hair isn’t that gray in the comics. However, if she is that strong because of her age, then she must’ve been a weaker viltrumite for a while until she got older.
You're wrong in premise. The viltrumites are extremely dense. After the Invincible War DA Sinclair talks about how dense and hard the muscle tissue is on all the alternate Invincibles.
This definitively proves, homelander would get stomped by Omniman, and likely any character that is capable of exerting force potentially comperable to Homelander's flight. Viltrumites must be able to exert force through flying alone thats comparable to their punching power to keep themselves from knocking back, Homelander likely can't do this at all, or if he can, can't do it as well as they can. Homelander's flight probably operate's more akin to human running, where the intial exertion for acceleration isn't extemely fast, but as he continues to put on force he can gain speed. I've theorized before that against someone like Darth Vader, Homelander's flight would actually be a disadvantage, as Vader would likely be able to use the force to bully homelander, and potentially even keep him from reaching Vader.
Gotta disagree. Our average strength level isn't enough to punch through a person But suffice it to say, in a panic state, using hysterical strength, at 100%, we can basically sacrifice an arm to bash through a human skull.
@@ultimazilla9814Exactly. The show and the comic is pretty inconsistent with that unfortunately. They probably punch harder than they are durable or the other way around. Which would weaken their atomic bonds with enough punches and leave them vulnerable to getting dismembered. I think the ideal is their durability should be higher than their strength but not too high of a gap.
@@johnfelix503 i don't think their strength is higher than their durability honestly. I think whenever an opponent punches through another in the series that signifies a (relative) gap in strength. For example Nolan could slice through Lukan but Lucan couldn't do the same to Nolan. He had to dropkick an injured off guard Nolan and that still wasn't enough to go through him. Similar to when Omniman cut Immortal in half, Omniman is way stronger than Immortal.
Thula's hair blade looks good but it was stupid in a fight. Thula showed a lot of skill with it do she used it a lot and has a lot of practice so she has probably fought a lot of people with it but against an experience Viltrumite it was stupid. It might be a good distraction gor an inexperience Viltrumite so she could land a punch but We have seen what kind of damage Viltrumites can absorb and still keep fighting so much so Nolan could probably stand still and let Thula dance all day and it would hurt Nolan. The long hair is something to grab. In this fight alone Mark managed to grab it and smash her to the ground. Nolan grabbed it to smash her jaw. If Mark was experienced in martial arts he could grabed the blade and stab her with it. So against regular opponents Thula is deadly but against a being of close to speed, strenght and durability with skill Thula is at a disadvantage
Thulas hair blade is similar to rope or whip based weapons. They are really good for controlling a dpace at a medium distance, but when you fight this close to your opponent like most of this battle, you end up getting the rope weapon in an unideal situation. It would have been worse if she was fighting indoors.
@@LCCWPresents i see the point and I see the utility against normal opponent but against a Viltrumite that can take the hit and still keep coming. I dont see it
Viltrumites basically use brute strength, I think the closest thing we’ve seen to actually ‘skill’ or ‘technique’ is when Nolan does a chop and slices his opponents, basically turning his hand into a knife
It seems like a lot of them basically are more brawlers then martial artist I think Alyssa was the only one that had any sort of trained conscious fighting technique Lucan advert war were more sloppy in their technique
Separately you gotta give props to Lucan for having the stamina to carry his insides while breaking Omni-man’s back with an overhead sneak attack. That seems like it took a lot of skill while he’s basically at deaths door.
It's funny because I was watching season 2 fights and it made me wonder about super human fights and what strategies they would use. Most regular human fights I've experienced have been quick and swift and usually ends in who better trained to get the first good hit, the bigger fighter getting their opponent in a grapple or who tires out first. Very quick, nothing as cool or flashy as on T.V. The Viltrumites just shook off these massive hits that would cripple most people even if they were scaled down to normal human level. I put thought into the strategies of superhuman fist fights and what leads up to that signature Viltrumite finishing last hit that disembowels the opponent
@@williamconto6977 That's what i was thinking. Like they have to plan out ways to slowly break down their opponents body offensively and then defensively they have to move with the punches to lessen the damage. This continues until they find an opening to exploit and it can't be reacted to fast enough (or their super cells have been so damaged that it doesn't protect them) I don't think the writers made this intentional but I just think about how it would be to fight with powers like that.
That aspect has been asked about Superman for at least 30 years. The reason he can do that is because he has positive force. He creates his own momentum. After Doom killed him he learned that he was capable of doing whatever he imagine he could do. Literally no limits.
I think for this series it's not reliable to bring up physics because the results of the fights are essentially writer's choice. Punches are basically transfers of energy, physics doesn't care about that so if you get an weapon that transfers as much energy to a them same as their punches it WILL be able to hurt them. We have seen them killing each other with punches that don't cause massive explosions or mountains to crumble. By that logic a tactical nuke would pretty much kill them but apparently you need a "quantum bomb" to do that. The writer didn't want the series to be 100% physics driven, it's like powerscailers suddenly bringing up IRL math on series that don't care about that.
Mark should have clapped thula , Omniman had point I noticed that pulls his punches in serious situations trying to be merciful. In my opponent he defeated her just hesitated to kill her.
This is literally shown. He waits like a good 4 seconds when he has her on the ropes to deliver a killing blow, and by then whoops she already stabbed him
@@williamconto6977Yep. He was far from killing her. She is one of the strongest Viltrumites because she survived the Purge. Nolan could only defeat her because he was born after the Purge so he trained with the strongest Viltrumites. And yet he didn't kill her. They only die if their brain or heart gets destroyed. But mainly the heart because Mark literally destroyed one Viltrumites head and he regenerated from that. And I don't think she wanted to kill Mark or else she would have stabbed his heart which Viltrumites can't heal from. Or that was just lazy writing on the show's part.
Slash attacks would actually be faster and leave you less open. It's just fights would be finished way faster and not go with the story. Also, most viltrumites don't have martial arts skills, they rely on their strength and speed.
1:05 This concept is known as inertia, it is determined by mass and not density(though I get what you are trying to say) Ie an osmium cube of volume 1cm^3 compared to the entire earth, sure osmium has a much higher density, but when you slam both objects into each other, the earth is completely unphased, however the osmium cube flies off, due to having a lower inertia(lower mass) and as such a greater tendency to change its state of motion.
Also when you do actually punch something, the force applied back to you( instantaneously or not) depends heavily on the rigidity of the object that the force is applied on, and how it affects the person also depends on positioning and the myriad of other muscles fibre bones etcetera in the body, using merely a bowling ball and a sponge ball is inaccurate.
Humans are fairly fragile considering just how strong our theoretical power output is. We just have strong mental limiters put in place by evolution for a good reason. When a person gets struck by lightning and flies away nearing a hundred feet both vertically and horizantally, that's not the lightning imparting kinetic energy. That is pure human muscle power. The lightning manually activates your muscles bypassing limiters on output. I wouldn't be surprised if viltrumites are strong enough to one shot each other, and most of their fighting is just the equivalent of throwing jabs and working for an opening to wind up for that ultra powerful attack.
That's not how action and reaction work the way you describe it a soccer ball would send you flying if you kicked it.....but this does still make sense
fr like my benefit of the doubt is becoming suspension of disbelief the more i go into the video will still give him the benefit of the doubt because he said "theoretically" on the action = reaction part but thats just not how throwing a punch work like a human or humanoid fist thrown with the shoulder doesnt operate like a ball or a bullet for sure, so there's way more things to consider like the body, the foot, etc because those also exert forces in other directions so a human or any living just dont go flying when they push against something
Dawg its literally jus average human combat jus 50x stronger and faster, its not like they have anything but physical buffs/powers kinda simple. they have no Lasers, Heat breath, Energy, etc
Dog as soon as I saw Vidor I liked his design (the only blonde Viltrumite ever seen) but bc he wasn’t in the comics, I already knew bro was gonna get it💀
I think another reason why Mark was struggling initially against Thula was because he was letting his actions and reactions be slowed down by thinking to much instead of fully back on instinct which would also explain why Viltrumites have such a brutal fighting style especially when against each other because it's what's most effective for surviving much like during the great purge.
Nah humans are just like viltrumutes without the adrenaline so a male teenager on adrenaline should match a more weapon orientated female viltrumite who was doubting him
He just wasn't fighting to kill like she was. He was holding back because he didn't want to kill her. The Omni man had to make him aware of the stakes. If Mark didn't prove himself, a stronger viltrumite would probably kill him since they didn't consider him worth existing.
@Nigerianator ??? No human will be able to take down any Viltrumite even if it was a male human on female viltrumite. Thula is one of the strongest viltrumites and Invincible was overpowered by another female Viltrumite named Anissa in the comics when he got even stronger, so it is clear sexual dimorphism is not at least a prevalent thing in Viltrumite biology. A normal Viltrumite would squash a normal human, no question
@@DerGrosTitan their biology is nearly identical
@@DerGrosTitan and Mark is a viltrumite human
Personally I think Viltrumites arent as skilled as one would expect given their age.
The fact is Viltrumites are so strong they steamroll their opponents quickly that they dont develop hand to hand skills.
We saw this in Mark vs Lucan and Mark vs Thula. Mark hit them with complicated combination atacks. Lucan landed a punch when Mark missed his uppercut.
Mark landed a solid combo on Thula too.
The only exception I see is Nolan. During his time as a friend of the Guardians. He didnt kill his enemies so he learned combo moves. He also learned to watch a team mates back look how accurately he threw Vidor at Thula to give Mark time to recover. Immortal did that.
Nolan has a lot of experience he could have probably taken 2 at the same time. Thats why there were three of them.
That's a good point. It would seem some Viltrumites don't have much technique because they are just so used to being stronger than anything they fight.
They're more similar to brawlers and boxers with a hint of kicking now and then. Viltrimites may not have 4000 years of chinese martial arts but their experience could overcome it and whatever physical might they have. It's like a human fighting a gorilla or a chimpanzee.
Just like Homelander in a sense @@TheMash-upChannel
@@jonathanathor117 yup it works for them until they met an 18 year old with years worth of skill and their strength and durability. Given time Mark will only get better
Being a "reservist" of the Guardian of the Globe definitely gave Nolan some needed training on how to be a team player. Its clear he is not in a leadership position, nor wants to be in a leadership position of the GoG. But what's clear is that he learned to not only balance out his power set to the GoG's but to also play into his strength like saving War-woman and Darkwing, 'bullying' enemies with his presence like in the Maulers and the Lizard League's case. Hell, you can even see Nolan saving civilians/soldiers that Immortal has thrown in the air, allowing the Guardians to focus against the Maulers.
And yeah, only knockouts, no killing as by Earth justice standards. 😁
It was also said that there hasn’t been viltrumite on viltrumite violence since the purge. Omniman is regarded as some sort of powerful figure by the three he fights. My theory is that viltrumites don’t have any skill because they overwhelmingly destroy their opponents, like Vidar says about the bug people, you touch them and they die. Mark and Nolan held back immensely on earth so they learned more skill rather than blowing a hole in their opponents with one move. The three they fought seem to fall apart after getting blocked or countered. The only damage omniman suffered was due to an all in attack by a dying Lucan. Even in the purge flash back it’s nothing but all in cheap shots that instantly kill their target.
Finally someone else pointed out that the Viltrumites fight like Superman, well sorta as Thula actually uses a skill based style for her own enjoyment more or less. Superman just flies full tilt at his foe and punches them really hard, thats kinda it for him as the first and last thing he would choose to do. While not a simple as Superman Viltrumites rarely fight anything on their level so they never really have to develop styles or skill too finely for fighting. now compare these two to another fictional space warrior race, the Saiyans, these guys live to fight anything that could be a challenge and train from nearly birth to death for this one joy. I think even if some how a Viltrumite was stronger than a Saiyan they met it would still be a fairly one sided fight as the Saiyan would tear the Viltrumite up with a sizable skill advantage. Then take into account Saiyans prefer to fight foes either as strong or stronger while the Viltrumites seem to only target anyone weaker than them you have quite the clash of both culture and mindset. It'd be a fun interaction to see I think.
Bro the Viltrumites are also trained from birth, they have fought numerous formidable foes as well like Ragnars(a bit of spoiler, that species literally eats Viltrumites)
hasn't it been said that before Goku came along Saiyans only believed in raw birth strength? like they never trained and only relied on the strength they were naturally given instead of earning it?
The viltrumites Target anything they don't only go after the weak the grand regent of the empire willingly fought the strongest being in the galaxy later in the comics They have no issues fighting stronger beings than them
ngl im just happy mark finally stopped doing nothing while getting his ass kicked
"viltrumites have the same density as humans"
Every human on that train: 😑
Don't be racist man
Density as in weight not durability
@hermanporter1747 Yes, well density does not mean weight
@@sidestep5435 never said it did I said density as in weight as to what the narrator was referring to. Although density is not necessarily connected to weight it’s kinda identical. Which is more dense fresh water or salt water? Guess which weighs more as well. 🤷🏾♂️
@hermanporter1747 density is literally how tightly molecules are packed so if you have something mixed into the water logically it would be more tightly packed than solvent free water however there are multiple cases where things can be heavier and lighter but also be denser and less dense
I don't think the Viltrumites are as dense as humans. In season 1 there's a villain that throws a bunch of stuff at Mark making them break on impact but Mark remains still. There's also a scene when he first gets his powers where he tells the bully to punch him, he gets punched in the chest and doesn't flinch.
What I believe is the show is being inconsistent with these characteristic like he should weight way more than a normal human, regular chairs would break if they sat on them. The way to go around this is by saying that they subconsciously use their flying ability to regulate their weight when interacting with such objects.
Great video btw keep it up!
My personal headcannon is that biochemically they're not human. Something like how the angels from evangelion have the same genetics as humans but are different obviously.
I just try to avoid thinking about the technicalities
Their bodies are capable of some sort of kinetic/thermal energy manipulation/absorption/redirection, which is used for flight, defense and punching hard.
Yeah they're definitely a lot denser /durable than humans in pretty much every way. Otherwise they would basically explode every time they delivered a hit
@@OK-yy6qz The only way for them to be as dense as humans is if their cells have graphene properties and their muscles are like carbon nanotubes.
But it still doesn't explain how they are able to lift over 400 tons with ease. Their muscles and bones HAVE to be dense so they can generate enough force to lift over 400 tons.
Great battle analysis. Omni-man is insanely strong
Thanks! He does not hold back, and I love how much he uses the hand slash attack!
@@TheMash-upChannelyeah that hand slash attack is always cool to see in action.
pretty sure in the comics when the Invincible re-animen are made someone says that their tissue is extremely dense like cutting through solid rock more than meat
Exactly! That was D.A Sinclair when Cecil asked him to send them to help Mark fight with Conquest and he said they weren't ready because of the reasons you pointed out.
He said they had to invent completely new tools to be able to go through their atomic bonds.
Also, what you've forgotten to sneak in there is Viltrumite physiology sees you get stronger, the older you get. And Thula is literally thousands of years older than Mark, from the looks of it. Props to him for even keeping up at one point.. Great video 👍🏾
I think Thula's the oldest viltrumite in that fight, if her all-grey hair is anything to by off of.
@@surgeonsergio6839
Her hair isn’t that gray in the comics. However, if she is that strong because of her age, then she must’ve been a weaker viltrumite for a while until she got older.
You're wrong in premise. The viltrumites are extremely dense. After the Invincible War DA Sinclair talks about how dense and hard the muscle tissue is on all the alternate Invincibles.
I agree, was thinkin the same thing.
Exactly. Not only are their tissues extremely dense but their atomic bonds are extremely strong like graphene and diamene.
This definitively proves, homelander would get stomped by Omniman, and likely any character that is capable of exerting force potentially comperable to Homelander's flight. Viltrumites must be able to exert force through flying alone thats comparable to their punching power to keep themselves from knocking back, Homelander likely can't do this at all, or if he can, can't do it as well as they can. Homelander's flight probably operate's more akin to human running, where the intial exertion for acceleration isn't extemely fast, but as he continues to put on force he can gain speed. I've theorized before that against someone like Darth Vader, Homelander's flight would actually be a disadvantage, as Vader would likely be able to use the force to bully homelander, and potentially even keep him from reaching Vader.
Viltrumite fighting style is pretty much just 'Hulk smash' Works most of the time.. But not on Thanos.
Gotta disagree. Our average strength level isn't enough to punch through a person
But suffice it to say, in a panic state, using hysterical strength, at 100%, we can basically sacrifice an arm to bash through a human skull.
They don't sacrifice their arms to punch through each other
@@ultimazilla9814 ...because they have super strength- and are aliens, in a comic book series.
@@magne7771 but that means that their strength-to-durability ratio is higher than human's
@@ultimazilla9814Exactly. The show and the comic is pretty inconsistent with that unfortunately.
They probably punch harder than they are durable or the other way around. Which would weaken their atomic bonds with enough punches and leave them vulnerable to getting dismembered.
I think the ideal is their durability should be higher than their strength but not too high of a gap.
@@johnfelix503 i don't think their strength is higher than their durability honestly. I think whenever an opponent punches through another in the series that signifies a (relative) gap in strength.
For example Nolan could slice through Lukan but Lucan couldn't do the same to Nolan. He had to dropkick an injured off guard Nolan and that still wasn't enough to go through him. Similar to when Omniman cut Immortal in half, Omniman is way stronger than Immortal.
Thula's hair blade looks good but it was stupid in a fight.
Thula showed a lot of skill with it do she used it a lot and has a lot of practice so she has probably fought a lot of people with it but against an experience Viltrumite it was stupid.
It might be a good distraction gor an inexperience Viltrumite so she could land a punch but
We have seen what kind of damage Viltrumites can absorb and still keep fighting so much so Nolan could probably stand still and let Thula dance all day and it would hurt Nolan.
The long hair is something to grab. In this fight alone Mark managed to grab it and smash her to the ground.
Nolan grabbed it to smash her jaw.
If Mark was experienced in martial arts he could grabed the blade and stab her with it.
So against regular opponents Thula is deadly but against a being of close to speed, strenght and durability with skill Thula is at a disadvantage
Thulas hair blade is similar to rope or whip based weapons. They are really good for controlling a dpace at a medium distance, but when you fight this close to your opponent like most of this battle, you end up getting the rope weapon in an unideal situation. It would have been worse if she was fighting indoors.
@@LCCWPresents i see the point and I see the utility against normal opponent but against a Viltrumite that can take the hit and still keep coming. I dont see it
Viltrumites basically use brute strength, I think the closest thing we’ve seen to actually ‘skill’ or ‘technique’ is when Nolan does a chop and slices his opponents, basically turning his hand into a knife
It seems like a lot of them basically are more brawlers then martial artist I think Alyssa was the only one that had any sort of trained conscious fighting technique Lucan advert war were more sloppy in their technique
Separately you gotta give props to Lucan for having the stamina to carry his insides while breaking Omni-man’s back with an overhead sneak attack. That seems like it took a lot of skill while he’s basically at deaths door.
My biggest question is viltrumite evolution, does that mean there were super powered apes in the beginning?
No they genetically engineered their bodies to become like that using Smart Atoms technology.
@@johnfelix503dang, super apes would’ve been cool
It's funny because I was watching season 2 fights and it made me wonder about super human fights and what strategies they would use. Most regular human fights I've experienced have been quick and swift and usually ends in who better trained to get the first good hit, the bigger fighter getting their opponent in a grapple or who tires out first. Very quick, nothing as cool or flashy as on T.V. The Viltrumites just shook off these massive hits that would cripple most people even if they were scaled down to normal human level. I put thought into the strategies of superhuman fist fights and what leads up to that signature Viltrumite finishing last hit that disembowels the opponent
Their healing factor is what avoids K.O. Hits it seems. They literally have to tear themselves down.
@@williamconto6977 That's what i was thinking. Like they have to plan out ways to slowly break down their opponents body offensively and then defensively they have to move with the punches to lessen the damage. This continues until they find an opening to exploit and it can't be reacted to fast enough (or their super cells have been so damaged that it doesn't protect them)
I don't think the writers made this intentional but I just think about how it would be to fight with powers like that.
Stronger metal alloys are possible in other star systems due to supernovas if I recall correctly.
bruh i thought it said “Omni Man vs Battle Breast”
That aspect has been asked about Superman for at least 30 years. The reason he can do that is because he has positive force. He creates his own momentum. After Doom killed him he learned that he was capable of doing whatever he imagine he could do. Literally no limits.
I think for this series it's not reliable to bring up physics because the results of the fights are essentially writer's choice. Punches are basically transfers of energy, physics doesn't care about that so if you get an weapon that transfers as much energy to a them same as their punches it WILL be able to hurt them. We have seen them killing each other with punches that don't cause massive explosions or mountains to crumble. By that logic a tactical nuke would pretty much kill them but apparently you need a "quantum bomb" to do that. The writer didn't want the series to be 100% physics driven, it's like powerscailers suddenly bringing up IRL math on series that don't care about that.
Mark should have clapped thula , Omniman had point I noticed that pulls his punches in serious situations trying to be merciful. In my opponent he defeated her just hesitated to kill her.
This is literally shown. He waits like a good 4 seconds when he has her on the ropes to deliver a killing blow, and by then whoops she already stabbed him
Nope. See his face and Hers. She received way less damage.
@@williamconto6977Yep. He was far from killing her. She is one of the strongest Viltrumites because she survived the Purge. Nolan could only defeat her because he was born after the Purge so he trained with the strongest Viltrumites. And yet he didn't kill her. They only die if their brain or heart gets destroyed. But mainly the heart because Mark literally destroyed one Viltrumites head and he regenerated from that.
And I don't think she wanted to kill Mark or else she would have stabbed his heart which Viltrumites can't heal from. Or that was just lazy writing on the show's part.
Did Omni-Man do an Austin Powers judo chop to Thulla in the thumbnail?
Lol
Slash attacks would actually be faster and leave you less open. It's just fights would be finished way faster and not go with the story.
Also, most viltrumites don't have martial arts skills, they rely on their strength and speed.
Omni man apparently has some skills, especially that 3 hit combo against the immortal, with him using his hand in a chopping motion
Viltrumites know how to di and sdi
Yeah good analysis thanks!
1:05 This concept is known as inertia, it is determined by mass and not density(though I get what you are trying to say) Ie an osmium cube of volume 1cm^3 compared to the entire earth, sure osmium has a much higher density, but when you slam both objects into each other, the earth is completely unphased, however the osmium cube flies off, due to having a lower inertia(lower mass) and as such a greater tendency to change its state of motion.
Your explanation is only correct( assuming that both objects have the same volume)
Also when you do actually punch something, the force applied back to you( instantaneously or not) depends heavily on the rigidity of the object that the force is applied on, and how it affects the person also depends on positioning and the myriad of other muscles fibre bones etcetera in the body, using merely a bowling ball and a sponge ball is inaccurate.
Humans are fairly fragile considering just how strong our theoretical power output is. We just have strong mental limiters put in place by evolution for a good reason.
When a person gets struck by lightning and flies away nearing a hundred feet both vertically and horizantally, that's not the lightning imparting kinetic energy. That is pure human muscle power. The lightning manually activates your muscles bypassing limiters on output.
I wouldn't be surprised if viltrumites are strong enough to one shot each other, and most of their fighting is just the equivalent of throwing jabs and working for an opening to wind up for that ultra powerful attack.
Viltrumite musculature is far denser than humans actually, they scanned Anissa and said this in the series
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They aren’t the strongest species
Bro just got into a physics class
They are way more dense than humans, remember what was said about anissa
That's not how action and reaction work the way you describe it a soccer ball would send you flying if you kicked it.....but this does still make sense
Great effort bro but your Newtonian laws of motion analysis was applied almost 100% incorrectly.
fr like my benefit of the doubt is becoming suspension of disbelief the more i go into the video
will still give him the benefit of the doubt because he said "theoretically" on the action = reaction part but thats just not how throwing a punch work like a human or humanoid fist thrown with the shoulder doesnt operate like a ball or a bullet for sure, so there's way more things to consider like the body, the foot, etc because those also exert forces in other directions so a human or any living just dont go flying when they push against something
That noise was wierd with headphones 1:28
Where’s the battle break down?
READ MARK READ
I read in uncle rukus's voice instead of Nolan's.
Dawg its literally jus average human combat jus 50x stronger and faster, its not like they have anything but physical buffs/powers kinda simple. they have no Lasers, Heat breath, Energy, etc
1:34 i doubt that
Great vid bro. Not that deep. All boils down to SMART ATOMS. Explains everything.
I hope you know viltrumite bilogy cuz this is SO wrong
Vidor is a beast
Eh 😐
@@ky1ebetts he did better against Omni man than anyone else we've seen
Dog as soon as I saw Vidor I liked his design (the only blonde Viltrumite ever seen) but bc he wasn’t in the comics, I already knew bro was gonna get it💀
@@ambassadorbruh1200 he is actually replacing an unnamed comics viltrumite, who suffers the sane fate
The science here doesn’t make any sense.
Don't even try to explain the physics in invincible. They are simply wrong and they don't make any sense.
Kid Gohan would wreck all 5
this ain't dragon balls kid
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I know this isn't a big deal but who's veedor? It's vidor.
Just saying. Not super human.
Wtf are you talking about 😡🤫