As a watchmaker I often say; it all starts with an interest, it becomes a passion and ends up becoming a mental illness. While Im supposed to be the doctor, I'm just as sick as my patients!
Completely agree with the movement myth. I'm happy buying watches with seiko, miyota, ETA and Sellita calibres knowing I can get them serviced easily without having to send them across the world for silly amounts of money. Those watches don't have any less kudos for me, it just means I can enjoy wearing them more without issues in the long run, therefore creating more memories with it.
@@alfieakaronaldog had to send a Hamilton back for movement repair. When each of them need a service, they will get it. Thanks for your valued contribution.
Not true. I have had all kinds of watches. Nothing seizes up faster than a Seiko in my experience. Luxury brands with nice in house movements simply last longer and need less maintenance.
I'll say this. I'm probably one of your older viewers. In my late 60's. I can't foresee any scenario where I would get an "exit" watch. If I understand what you are saying; I can't see myself NOT open to acquiring another watch. Just too much fun to be had.
As always, you’ve done your homework and delivered your fact finding with the efficiency of a Quartz Grand Seiko (5 seconds a year). As one with over a dozen watch winders (Orbita Sparta 1’s) I’m curious whether that was money well spent. I have 20 watches in my collection, so no one watch gets worn consistently (with the exception of the newest one!). Do watches need to be on wonders when unworn? Are they helping the watches by keeping the lubricants moving? Or are they wearing them out sooner; thereby, requiring service sooner? Lastly, is it okay to wind automatic watches, not kept on winders, as if they are hand wound? I’ve been winding my automatics not on winders. Thanks, Teddy, and keep the passion coming!! Daryl Ward Snyder
I cannot answer anything but the last. Automatic watches can be wound by hand and that is preferred if it ran out. As to wether it damages a watch to keep it running i would not know
A great summary Teddy. The one that annoys me the most is the 'investment' part, I by watches to wear for myself, once purchased I do not intend to sell regardless of make. The crystal type as another, depending on the watch and it's intended use different materials have different benefits. I also take into account servicing when making a purchase.
Your videos are getting better and better, quality content. Very well articulated, spot-on points and it's very refreshing to see watch reviewers not banging on about rolex, rolex, rolex all the time to get more views; but rather talk about it as it really is.
All your points are excellent and I wholly agree with them all. You get an extra gold star for the perfect watch selections for the B roll, super on point. I try to avoid watch channels who also sell watches, but you my friend are a great exception to that rule, keep up the great work!
On the note of the "exit watch", I would agree that it is somewhat a fantasy from a collectors view, but not for those who buy a watch for its intended use. I would respectfully counter that it can be true for those looking for watches as tools, as in a watch to fill a purpose. For example if I needed a impact wrench to do a job, once I get a good impact wrench, I'm not looking for another one. Just my thought though.
Kinda late to comment, but this is video that Everyone closing the rabbit hole should watch and take notes. Thank you Teddy with family name of a Vampire dinasty) staying true enthusiast, depsite owning a business, unlike many others, who claim space in this niche! Best!
Now that I live outside the US, I’m starting to appreciate a lot more third party movements, an ETA or similar can save you a lot of money, time and headaches!
Great video! It's so obvious you're very knowledgeable about watches. You keep on ticking without stopping. The info just flows naturally meaning you obviously have a love for watches......
I would add to number 1 with the comment around "value". Too many youtubers add the concept of value to 5k, 10k even 20k watches. IMO, the value proposition falls drastically after a certain price point and it just becomes an OBJECT OF DESIRE.
The powermatic Movements defy every point Teddy has made about movements! For the price,they cost much more for any kind of service than Teddy has listed! keep this in mind,when you buy one!
About WR - common myth is 100m WR is necessary for swimming. Which is incorrect. 5atm is perfectly suitable for swimming. I remember when I bought IWC with 6atm, I was a little concerned about using in pool or sea. But then I looked to the manual. And IWC claims that 6atm is for swimming, period. So if the brand claims that you can swim with it, why should I question it?
Very much so. Given we're talking about myths the WR static pressure versus swimming or whatever is one of the biggest ones and it's repeated here. Which surprised me tbh. To increase the pressure on a watch when swimming you're wrists would be slicing through the water so quickly you'd be out swimming dolphins. 🙂 Even then the pressure would be small in increase. If a watch is _actually_ passed as 30 metres WR it is perfectly fine for swimming.
@@MrGrentch you are so right. Even someone with basic understanding of physics should know that to produce 5atm presure, just with your hand movement, under water is simply impossible. In my pre-internet age of collecting watches I was taking my 3atm Castios everywhere, and never had any problem.
There is a very interesting video on the 'Beyond the Press' channel where a Vostok Amphibia & two other watches are tested to 3000m of equivalent depth, the results are interesting, these watches are more resistant to water than you might think!
I think my capitalism module is broken. I have managed to find a solid level of contentment in the world of fountain pens, multitools/pocket knives, and watches after just a few purchases in each rather than having that continuous itch to scratch. Guess I am lucky?
You seem to have found the right balance for you. I acquired a lot of watches over around 3 decades and then offloaded many of them to arrive at 10 watches, most of which I wear and 2 sit in boxes as they're valuable. No regrets on the collecting but at a certain stage you have more than enough. I'm flirting with the idea of buying another German tool watch, my first watch purchase in 3 years. But there's no rush because I have enough.
@@sdemosi I feel like a large part of my situation is that I'm obsessively compelled to extensively research potential purchases when it comes to this kind of thing (enthusiast products with a lot of nuance) so by the time I purchase something, I have a very good idea of what I want from the product and a realistic expectation of what I am going to get... so not a lot of buyer's remorse or unfulfilled expectations. For what it is worth, it took me about 3 months after deciding I want a watch (and diving head-long into the online watch community) for me to buy my first (and currently only) watch, which is a WQT eclipse N.01, and despite about 4 months more now of following a bunch of watch youtubers and reading forums, I only really have one future watch purchase "grail" in mind--namely, the Grand Seiko Snowflake. With the former, I knew I wanted a mechanical watch if I was going to bother to have a wrist watch at all, and if I were to have a mechanical watch, I wanted a skeletonized watch to show off the mechanism. The lack of waterproofing is something I have to be careful about, but by no means a hinderance in my every day life, and I DO worry a bit about the longevity of the mechanism and how I am going to get it repaired/maintained when and/or if the time comes, but for a $300ish investment, those detracting factors were a calculated and acceptable compromise. Ultimately, the eclipse fit the bill of what works on my wrist (for size) and being a relatively low price compared to the next more expensive but attractive skeletonized watch I was considering as an alternative. As for the Snowflake, it fits the role of being an aspirational piece that I can save up for, but isn't so insanely expensive that I can never acquire it, with a mechanism that is elegant, unique, dependable, and more accurate that what I currently have, and the dial + overall package has an aesthetic that would be a counter-point to the one watch I currently have, while also being absurdly beautiful. All of this having been said, I will readily admit that I might like to buy a triple-sensor g-shock for a "beater" watch some day, and certainly it would be absolutely amazing if I could acquire a dual-faced reverso at some point in my life, but I strangely just lack that feeling of emptiness or urge for acquisition for either or these, and even the Snowflake is sitting in a comfortable mental seat of "it would be cool if I eventually buy this, but I'm in no rush". It is just so strange to me that I feel my stance is both the "appropriate adult response" but also completely alien to what appears to be the experience of a majority of people in this community. Like I said originally, I can objectively see that my experience is fortunate, but it just so puzzling to seemingly be so different! With my narcissistic and lengthy explanation aside, I would like to say that it is reassuring to hear that you seem to have a relatively tame collection despite being in the biz for 30 years... which is definitely impressive if I say so myself. I would be curious to know what your 10 watch collection currently includes, and if you can give any sort of empiric explanation as to why those specific watches survived the culling where others did not. Penny for your thoughts!
@@Praxeus514 haha, consumerism module is DEFINITELY the word I was searching for! And yeah... I don't know which one it is--broken or immaculately functioning--but I definitely feel like the odd-one-out either way!
@Sixgunner dot org I do feel enthusiastic about watches, and really enjoy continuing to know more, but yeah I guess I don't have a driving urge to diversify or experiment with new releases, if that is what you are getting at.
Great video. I really enjoyed this. Especially your positive view on acrylic. As a proud Timex marlin auto owner, it was nice to hear. Your honesty and level-headed approach to this is why I subbed and why I bought my Marlin from you. Cheers man 🇺🇸
Excellent video again Teddy. Under the accuracy section, I think you missed one topic. Which type of watch would survive an EMP blast form a thermonuclear device? I don’t think the quartz will, but the automatics might. Thoughts?
I removed the back of my Seiko 5 Sports SRPE51 and adjusted it. Now it is on average fairly spot on. But even then, sometimes it is -5s/day and sometimes +10s/day. I guess depending on my daily activities and temperature perhaps. Think about it… A day has 86400 seconds. +25 for a “bad” watch is an error of 0.0289% (or 289ppm). I think it is extremely accurate for a mechanical device with gears and so on. A cheap crystal oscillator (less than $1) has a accuracy of 20ppm or less
Great video! Especially the accuracy comparison of quartz vs. mechanical watches. I always have to explain my clients that it is unfair to constantly compare mechanical watches (even COSC) to an atomic clock and then complaining about losing or gaining a second! Good grief! A mechanical watch should be checked once a week and be within a minute! If that’s too much to ask or you’re a NASA engineer, please get a quartz/atomic/GPS enabled watch!
I really enjoy your videos. They give an insight to horology and the skill needed to create these incredible micromachines. Your first three points go to collecting in general. The Thing (watch, car, comic book, painting, stamp…) does not complete you. It should be a milestone not an endpoint. While your other points are more watch/horological associated, there are definitely corollaries to other endeavors.
Hey Teddy. You mentioned Accutron. I’m interested in the ElectroStatic Spaceview DNA (in green). Sorry if this is an inappropriate question, but your price is exactly the same as buying right from the Accutron website. Any advantage to buying from you? Sorry again if that’s out of line, but figured going through a dealer I’d save at least a couple percentage points. Thanks!
He’s an Authorized Dealer of Accutron, so he has to follow the pricing guidelines that Accutron sets for it’s dealer network. That’s why the prices are the same, because Accutron establishes them. If you buy from Teddy or any AD you still receive all the benefits that you would if you bought from the manufacturer (manufacturer warranty etc.), so the experience will be pretty much the same. I think Teddy is still doing the deal where if you buy a watch you get a free strap, so definitely look into buying from him.
@@ajmarion thanks for the response. My thought is that I would be able to negotiate at an AD (except Rolex, of course!) Last week I grabbed a Longines Big Eye Chrono and asked for 10% off at the AD and before I could get the words out of my mouth, the AD agreed.
@stevestojan I would recommend you to book a consultation (look at the top left on the page) ... I did that and talked to Stephen on the phone when thinking about buying my Formex Essence ... great experience ... give it a try.
Sapphire all the way for me. The scratches on the mineral crystal sporting Seiko Kinetic Auto relay I had (lost it on a drinking adventure) annoyed me more than it should. I replaced that watch with another Seiko 12 Years ago and the crystal on that looks as fresh as the day I got it.
Family are looking at buying me a luxury watch for my 50th. Budget is $6k AUS. I know I'm going to have to tap into the second hand/used market to get anything that can be considered 'iconic', 'classic'. First consideration is an Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch, or a Tudor Black Bay. Other option is to get maybe 2 watches around $3K AUS. Which way should I go? I want something that will 'stand the test of time' as far as style as I want to pass it down to my daughter/s.
Buy what you like, forget the whole watch snobbery rubbish, it's just marketing. Rolex spends over a £100 million a year on advertising, that's what you are paying for and not a superior watch.
I've found that I hit the "Exit Watch point" earlier then expected as I found I treat any watch over $1,500 AUD like an guy with a Sports car up on blocks, I love the 3 I have at that price point but rarely wear them. I wanted a Breitling but realize I would treat it more like a painting or vase then a watch. I think those Mid price Seikos as well as my Base 22 and even my Steinhart GMT, I could sell all my watches and afford a Navitimer but, I don't think I would enjoy it as much as my large collection.
I tie milestones to the watches I acquire. Still have the Swiss Army Officer Watch that I bought with the first pay check at 15. And it's still in my wear rotation today.
Dam teddy all my questions has been answered👌... enjoy the journey dont fall for the myths well said 🤙...so in a nutshell watch collecting is never ending ⌚👌🤙great episode brother 😂
Regarding accuracy, I struggle with paying thousands for a mechanical watch when quartz are so much more accurate. What other product is the more expensive version less functional for the intended function?
Depth rating for mechanical watches is like talking about horsepower with cars. Most of the time its not being used to its potential, and its mostly just a talking point.
I would think it is as complicated as invest in art or oldtimer cars.... Only the future could tell. YT channels like Teddy's bring the "wanna have it" effect at first on the table
Disagree with you on the exit watch/grail watch. I've achieved mine and going 7 years strong. Never looked back and it still brings me joy to wear and use everyday.
THank you so much. Sir for covering this up. i never buy watches even my fountain pens,stamps etc in terms of investment i hate it. Although i am just 20 years old and my love for watch is such of a kind i own 62 watches right now most of them are vintage many dont give a damn to my collection as for them it nothing as they are big players just inclined for rolex,etc but i love them a lot. and hasnt sold any of them and even wont sell any of them untill the soul remains in my body. Same is for fountain pens i collect other pens also which totals up to even more than 1000+ and same for my pens also. watches are like something i feel that they are meant to enjoy they are like a jewelry being a male you cant wear lots of necklaces and all so watches are saviors for us. i even inspire from Late Nicolas George Hayek co founder of watch group who wore 8 wrist watches although i dont wear that much but i wear 4 wrist watches sometimes 3 and like that as i have hairy hand so i am quite uncomfortable as in India the temperature is an issue in summers coz of humidity. But winters are the day for the watch lovers like us. I an not disrespecting any one but when seeing someone owing an Audemars and storing it in a locker that makes me feel bad. but we should enjoy them rather than investing purpose if investment is your purpose why not to buy gold coins, shares, properties and more.
I personally purchased the Sinn U1 because I regularly spend time at about 500 m underwater. 😜 Just kidding I just feel like a bad ass knowing what is capable of and how it’s manufactured I love that watch although I wish I would’ve waited a little longer and I would’ve got the U50. My only complaint about it is it it is a little big my taste but I still love it
I have only had 3 'serious' watches in my life (70+ years)... a Heuer (Before TAG), a Breitling Navitimer (in the days when I had various airplanes and flew regularly...), and a 1920's two colour gold Cartier given to me by my wife which I wear for posh evenings (it loses a minute per hour, but I can adjust for that, as I can't afford for it to be seen to...). All of which are battered and bruised but still kept. (I do like automatic winding!) When I was working a lot in slightly dangerous places, I was advised to have something so cheap it was not worth stealing, hence the use of a Swatch while working...perhaps even these are 'valuable' now? I had a Seiko solar with GPS for a long time... great watch, but it has given up the ghost... thinking about getting it repaired, as 6 months of power and other features are great... Presently on my wrist is the top of the range Garmin... like it a lot with all the features... except for having to remember to charge it once a week. I guess those three serious watches are worth quite a lot, but they mean more to me as talismans, so I will just leave them for someone else to decide what to do with them... who knows what the Swatch is worth?
I own several watches that have appreciated. Rolex Batman, Tudor BB (ETA and “smile text”), GS SBGM235. I think that if you are thoughtful, you can craft a whole collection of watches that appreciate. That said, I have others that have not appreciated.
Considering unsubscribing... Now I want a Speedmaster 3861, an Oris divers Cal.401, a Rolex Explorer and the Zenith Chronomaster "Daytona". And all the new Seikos. I am doomed. Joke aside, very good reminder to both new joiners and seasoned watch lovers. Love your content !
I purchased this watch one month ago . I wore it none stop everyday and enjoyed it immensely . The aesthetic of this timepiece is awesome and the dial is readable in any lighting condition . It fits very comfortable on my 6.75 wrist . The functionality of the watch is awesome but I do wish the watch was a little thinner . It’s a wearable case but I can see why potential buyers would have concern about the thickness.
Lol with these watches being off by 20 seconds. I've never been late to a meeting because my watch was 20 seconds off. That tells time perfectly fine. Just reset the next day if you need to.
Isn’t it interesting that those that have the most can get the most . Just like your high profile friend . He can get hard to get watches at retail because he is a name and has pots of money . So , he can obtain hot watches at great prices and has made a profit from day one. Normal people like myself have no chance . ----- money makes money
on the flip side he's probably had to buy a bunch of other money-losing watches to get that one profitable watch so we can all sleep easy with this perspective
It is a very unusual watch indeed that would be the equivalent of a blue chip stock-- although historically there have been some. I view watches, if bought smartly, as more the equivalent of a bond or a precious metal (whether made of precious metal or not). They can be a store of value and part of a diversified portfolio. And like with any monetary vehicle, there is always risk (theft or damage). I collect watches principally because they bring me great joy. My house also brings me great joy, but I would like it to also appreciate in value (or at the very least not depreciate too much). There is nothing inherently wrong with wanting one's watches to appreciate (or at least not depreciate much) in value. If this becomes the driving factor, however, then the joy of the hobby is in peril.
I think buying a watch that you enjoy and treat it as an investment not a sin in itself, but do make sure you have fun whilst you own your watch. When you fear thst you'll ding or damage your watch is a fear that I personally cannot bear. However, I do understand the very intriging insentive of owning a luxury item that appreciate in time. 🤔 AlsoI think peoole who buy them with the intention of selling should remember that at the end of the day, you only see the return once you *sell* a watch so you really jave to be prepared to sell said watch. To sum it up in a sentence: have fun with watch collecting! 😊
thanks for the video Teddy, very helpful. I'd say watches/art (whatever is in your price range) is a good investment if it makes you happy. Agree with the comments esp the Swiss make the best watch section
I'm relatively new to watches but my impression is that Japan is the best country overal when it comes to practical everyday watchesfor most people, whereas Switzerland makes alot of the more higher end stuff.
I would never buy a watch as an investment. That being said, it is nice to buy a Rolex and know you aren’t going to lose much/any money in the long term if you end up needing to sell.
Skx007 purchased 180usd 2017 Orange monter gen 2 220usd purcased 2017 1994 seiko divers 150usd Sarb 033 240usd purchased 2018 Everthing I buy has increased in value and thats great
When it comes to watches as investments: I got the question from a friend why I have got dozens of affordable watches instead of for example one Rolex for the same amount of money. Because the second hand value of affordable does not remain like luxury watches. My answer was that my intention I collect watches is not to later sell them, but to use and enjoy them. Anyway, I want to add watches to the list of possible investments: limited edition of Casio G-shocks are attractive for collectors and there are several examples of G-shocks increasing in value. Regarding water resistance the numbers are truly misleading. At 30m depth the static pressure is far above the total pressure reached of an olympic swimmer. So a number of 30m SHOULD mean you can bath and swim with it. 50m use to be considered to be useful for light swimming. And at least 100m is recommended for bathing and swimming. As mentioned in the video: think about what 100m really is. 100m is a very deep lake and far deeper than scubadivers usually go.
Very informative video, and thank you for addressing the unrealistic expectations for the accuracy of mechanical movements. I gave my grandson a Seiko 5 SNK809 for Christmas last year and told him it would need to be adjusted periodically because it would not be as accurate as his Casio. His step-father called me a few weeks later telling me the Seiko was broken because it was gaining 10-15 seconds per day. Sigh.
All Watch dealers say the same thing about the "investment" side of watches......to me its a little bit of BS as I think they want you to keep buying and buy at a higher price so if you are buying and holding then you are their competition therefore we get the take that Watches are not an investment. I got in the watch game in January and have made a 20% return on my money buying/holding/selling Rolex/Panerai/Omega/Tudor while enjoying the 10 watches I keep. I think there should be 2 versions of investments. I look at it like this.....when can buy a toy you like....play with it....and get close to or in some cases MORE than your money back. My investment guy looked at me like I was an idiot asking him if 20% return on 50K was a good idea over giving it to him....he said to keep that game going as a secondary FUN investment which i will keep doing. Nothing against you Teddy as I really enjoy MOST of what you bring to the table.
My Swatch Irony all stainless steel Chrono 1995 is worth nil on the market, i don't care ,its vintage and i bought it on my birthday in 1995, it means alot to me.
A big myth is vintage watches are usually unreliable, Ive got three, a 70s record 500m automatic professional (only 500 ever made for one of the oil companies), a 74 citizen 17 jewel and I recently purchased a fully refurbished seiko 7002. All of which do a pretty solid job, my record in particular never misses a beat and hasn't been serviced in years. I also managed to snag an old oris shock resistant 17 jewel on ebay for £7.50 because the guy just listed it as unbranded and as a dress watch, its not too bad either. I don't tend to buy brand new watches tbh
As a watchmaker I often say; it all starts with an interest, it becomes a passion and ends up becoming a mental illness. While Im supposed to be the doctor, I'm just as sick as my patients!
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@@ericfreutel8240 🤓🤓🤓
Yea I read that book too 😆
100%!
i just started and have the feeling i landed instant in phase 3.
Completely agree with the movement myth. I'm happy buying watches with seiko, miyota, ETA and Sellita calibres knowing I can get them serviced easily without having to send them across the world for silly amounts of money. Those watches don't have any less kudos for me, it just means I can enjoy wearing them more without issues in the long run, therefore creating more memories with it.
100%
How many have you had serviced then?
Let me guess, zero right? 🧐
@@alfieakaronaldog had to send a Hamilton back for movement repair. When each of them need a service, they will get it. Thanks for your valued contribution.
Not true. I have had all kinds of watches. Nothing seizes up faster than a Seiko in my experience. Luxury brands with nice in house movements simply last longer and need less maintenance.
@@bdegrds Not really, they just aren't worn as often as they sit in a bank vault so no wear and tear.
I'll say this. I'm probably one of your older viewers. In my late 60's. I can't foresee any scenario where I would get an "exit" watch. If I understand what you are saying; I can't see myself NOT open to acquiring another watch. Just too much fun to be had.
Teddy: "Only 3 main brands will accrue value.."
Me looking at the Casio 5600 on my wrist: "Shh Shh he doesnt mean it, you're priceless.."
Gotta love the 5600
Same with my AE 1200.
This is a public service video for all watch enthusiasts, especially those that rmare just starting to get deeper into the rabbit hole.
As always, you’ve done your homework and delivered your fact finding with the efficiency of a Quartz Grand Seiko (5 seconds a year).
As one with over a dozen watch winders (Orbita Sparta 1’s) I’m curious whether that was money well spent. I have 20 watches in my collection, so no one watch gets worn consistently (with the exception of the newest one!).
Do watches need to be on wonders when unworn?
Are they helping the watches by keeping the lubricants moving?
Or are they wearing them out sooner; thereby, requiring service sooner?
Lastly, is it okay to wind automatic watches, not kept on winders, as if they are hand wound? I’ve been winding my automatics not on winders.
Thanks, Teddy, and keep the passion coming!!
Daryl Ward Snyder
I have the same questions. hope someone answers. :)
I cannot answer anything but the last. Automatic watches can be wound by hand and that is preferred if it ran out. As to wether it damages a watch to keep it running i would not know
A great summary Teddy. The one that annoys me the most is the 'investment' part, I by watches to wear for myself, once purchased I do not intend to sell regardless of make. The crystal type as another, depending on the watch and it's intended use different materials have different benefits. I also take into account servicing when making a purchase.
Great video! I have 2 other myths for you. First is “dress watches are dead” the second is “complications are always a good thing”.
Your videos are getting better and better, quality content. Very well articulated, spot-on points and it's very refreshing to see watch reviewers not banging on about rolex, rolex, rolex all the time to get more views; but rather talk about it as it really is.
I had a good chuckle when some people thought the recently discontinued omega moon watch was going to appreciate now that a new version is out.
In the UK you can still buy the old 1861 version new at retail price
All your points are excellent and I wholly agree with them all. You get an extra gold star for the perfect watch selections for the B roll, super on point. I try to avoid watch channels who also sell watches, but you my friend are a great exception to that rule, keep up the great work!
On the note of the "exit watch", I would agree that it is somewhat a fantasy from a collectors view, but not for those who buy a watch for its intended use. I would respectfully counter that it can be true for those looking for watches as tools, as in a watch to fill a purpose. For example if I needed a impact wrench to do a job, once I get a good impact wrench, I'm not looking for another one. Just my thought though.
Kinda late to comment, but this is video that Everyone closing the rabbit hole should watch and take notes. Thank you Teddy with family name of a Vampire dinasty) staying true enthusiast, depsite owning a business, unlike many others, who claim space in this niche! Best!
Now that I live outside the US, I’m starting to appreciate a lot more third party movements, an ETA or similar can save you a lot of money, time and headaches!
Great video. Excellent points all. Regarding the crystal, for me it’s all about the scratches. I love love love not having to worry about getting any.
"Now let's be Franc, Swiss pedigree in the world of watchmaking is hard to beat"
Intended pun? :P
If you want a highly accurate mechanical watch you need Spring Drive.
Great video! It's so obvious you're very knowledgeable about watches. You keep on ticking without stopping. The info just flows naturally meaning you obviously have a love for watches......
I would add to number 1 with the comment around "value". Too many youtubers add the concept of value to 5k, 10k even 20k watches. IMO, the value proposition falls drastically after a certain price point and it just becomes an OBJECT OF DESIRE.
The powermatic Movements defy every point Teddy has made about movements! For the price,they cost much more for any kind of service than Teddy has listed! keep this in mind,when you buy one!
About WR - common myth is 100m WR is necessary for swimming. Which is incorrect. 5atm is perfectly suitable for swimming. I remember when I bought IWC with 6atm, I was a little concerned about using in pool or sea. But then I looked to the manual. And IWC claims that 6atm is for swimming, period. So if the brand claims that you can swim with it, why should I question it?
Very much so. Given we're talking about myths the WR static pressure versus swimming or whatever is one of the biggest ones and it's repeated here. Which surprised me tbh. To increase the pressure on a watch when swimming you're wrists would be slicing through the water so quickly you'd be out swimming dolphins. 🙂 Even then the pressure would be small in increase. If a watch is _actually_ passed as 30 metres WR it is perfectly fine for swimming.
@@MrGrentch you are so right. Even someone with basic understanding of physics should know that to produce 5atm presure, just with your hand movement, under water is simply impossible.
In my pre-internet age of collecting watches I was taking my 3atm Castios everywhere, and never had any problem.
There is a very interesting video on the 'Beyond the Press' channel where a Vostok Amphibia & two other watches are tested to 3000m of equivalent depth, the results are interesting, these watches are more resistant to water than you might think!
Very strong video teddy. Very insightful and covering a lot of great ground.
Terrific, thanks. The common-sense and evidence-based approach is much appreciated!
Just a positive shout out to you! You really have great content and I learn a lot from these videos
What a great educational video teddy! So true about exit watch there is always another watch it never ends. I love the hobby and the hunt.
I think my capitalism module is broken. I have managed to find a solid level of contentment in the world of fountain pens, multitools/pocket knives, and watches after just a few purchases in each rather than having that continuous itch to scratch. Guess I am lucky?
Say rather your consumerism module is broken, or that it’s actually working properly.
You seem to have found the right balance for you. I acquired a lot of watches over around 3 decades and then offloaded many of them to arrive at 10 watches, most of which I wear and 2 sit in boxes as they're valuable. No regrets on the collecting but at a certain stage you have more than enough. I'm flirting with the idea of buying another German tool watch, my first watch purchase in 3 years. But there's no rush because I have enough.
@@sdemosi I feel like a large part of my situation is that I'm obsessively compelled to extensively research potential purchases when it comes to this kind of thing (enthusiast products with a lot of nuance) so by the time I purchase something, I have a very good idea of what I want from the product and a realistic expectation of what I am going to get... so not a lot of buyer's remorse or unfulfilled expectations. For what it is worth, it took me about 3 months after deciding I want a watch (and diving head-long into the online watch community) for me to buy my first (and currently only) watch, which is a WQT eclipse N.01, and despite about 4 months more now of following a bunch of watch youtubers and reading forums, I only really have one future watch purchase "grail" in mind--namely, the Grand Seiko Snowflake. With the former, I knew I wanted a mechanical watch if I was going to bother to have a wrist watch at all, and if I were to have a mechanical watch, I wanted a skeletonized watch to show off the mechanism. The lack of waterproofing is something I have to be careful about, but by no means a hinderance in my every day life, and I DO worry a bit about the longevity of the mechanism and how I am going to get it repaired/maintained when and/or if the time comes, but for a $300ish investment, those detracting factors were a calculated and acceptable compromise. Ultimately, the eclipse fit the bill of what works on my wrist (for size) and being a relatively low price compared to the next more expensive but attractive skeletonized watch I was considering as an alternative. As for the Snowflake, it fits the role of being an aspirational piece that I can save up for, but isn't so insanely expensive that I can never acquire it, with a mechanism that is elegant, unique, dependable, and more accurate that what I currently have, and the dial + overall package has an aesthetic that would be a counter-point to the one watch I currently have, while also being absurdly beautiful.
All of this having been said, I will readily admit that I might like to buy a triple-sensor g-shock for a "beater" watch some day, and certainly it would be absolutely amazing if I could acquire a dual-faced reverso at some point in my life, but I strangely just lack that feeling of emptiness or urge for acquisition for either or these, and even the Snowflake is sitting in a comfortable mental seat of "it would be cool if I eventually buy this, but I'm in no rush". It is just so strange to me that I feel my stance is both the "appropriate adult response" but also completely alien to what appears to be the experience of a majority of people in this community. Like I said originally, I can objectively see that my experience is fortunate, but it just so puzzling to seemingly be so different!
With my narcissistic and lengthy explanation aside, I would like to say that it is reassuring to hear that you seem to have a relatively tame collection despite being in the biz for 30 years... which is definitely impressive if I say so myself. I would be curious to know what your 10 watch collection currently includes, and if you can give any sort of empiric explanation as to why those specific watches survived the culling where others did not. Penny for your thoughts!
@@Praxeus514 haha, consumerism module is DEFINITELY the word I was searching for! And yeah... I don't know which one it is--broken or immaculately functioning--but I definitely feel like the odd-one-out either way!
@Sixgunner dot org I do feel enthusiastic about watches, and really enjoy continuing to know more, but yeah I guess I don't have a driving urge to diversify or experiment with new releases, if that is what you are getting at.
Great video. I really enjoyed this. Especially your positive view on acrylic. As a proud Timex marlin auto owner, it was nice to hear. Your honesty and level-headed approach to this is why I subbed and why I bought my Marlin from you. Cheers man 🇺🇸
Excellent video again Teddy. Under the accuracy section, I think you missed one topic. Which type of watch would survive an EMP blast form a thermonuclear device? I don’t think the quartz will, but the automatics might. Thoughts?
I removed the back of my Seiko 5 Sports SRPE51 and adjusted it.
Now it is on average fairly spot on.
But even then, sometimes it is -5s/day and sometimes +10s/day. I guess depending on my daily activities and temperature perhaps.
Think about it…
A day has 86400 seconds.
+25 for a “bad” watch is an error of 0.0289% (or 289ppm).
I think it is extremely accurate for a mechanical device with gears and so on.
A cheap crystal oscillator (less than $1) has a accuracy of 20ppm or less
Don’t get me started on the in-house movement debate 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Totally agree with you there.
PS
Only Seiko and Swatch are TRULY in-house
I can see teddy playing the lowkey evil villain 😅 “this won’t be the last time they here of Teddy Baldassarre” *laughs evilly”
Great video! Especially the accuracy comparison of quartz vs. mechanical watches. I always have to explain my clients that it is unfair to constantly compare mechanical watches (even COSC) to an atomic clock and then complaining about losing or gaining a second! Good grief! A mechanical watch should be checked once a week and be within a minute! If that’s too much to ask or you’re a NASA engineer, please get a quartz/atomic/GPS enabled watch!
An Apple watch would do the trick lol
Great video. I love that you are sharing your knowledge, thank you.
20:19 Accuracy… another great point in the commentary. 👍🏻
I really enjoy your videos. They give an insight to horology and the skill needed to create these incredible micromachines. Your first three points go to collecting in general. The Thing (watch, car, comic book, painting, stamp…) does not complete you. It should be a milestone not an endpoint. While your other points are more watch/horological associated, there are definitely corollaries to other endeavors.
3:21 Ironically that is the case in the stock market.
Hey Teddy. You mentioned Accutron. I’m interested in the ElectroStatic Spaceview DNA (in green). Sorry if this is an inappropriate question, but your price is exactly the same as buying right from the Accutron website. Any advantage to buying from you? Sorry again if that’s out of line, but figured going through a dealer I’d save at least a couple percentage points. Thanks!
He’s an Authorized Dealer of Accutron, so he has to follow the pricing guidelines that Accutron sets for it’s dealer network. That’s why the prices are the same, because Accutron establishes them. If you buy from Teddy or any AD you still receive all the benefits that you would if you bought from the manufacturer (manufacturer warranty etc.), so the experience will be pretty much the same.
I think Teddy is still doing the deal where if you buy a watch you get a free strap, so definitely look into buying from him.
@@ajmarion thanks for the response. My thought is that I would be able to negotiate at an AD (except Rolex, of course!) Last week I grabbed a Longines Big Eye Chrono and asked for 10% off at the AD and before I could get the words out of my mouth, the AD agreed.
@stevestojan I would recommend you to book a consultation (look at the top left on the page) ... I did that and talked to Stephen on the phone when thinking about buying my Formex Essence ... great experience ... give it a try.
@@danielmunoz6866 cool. I will do exactly that! Thanks!
Sapphire all the way for me. The scratches on the mineral crystal sporting Seiko Kinetic Auto relay I had (lost it on a drinking adventure) annoyed me more than it should. I replaced that watch with another Seiko 12 Years ago and the crystal on that looks as fresh as the day I got it.
"At the end of the day, it is just a watch", something we all have to remember before buying a new one.
Very informative and useful. Thanks.
Family are looking at buying me a luxury watch for my 50th. Budget is $6k AUS. I know I'm going to have to tap into the second hand/used market to get anything that can be considered 'iconic', 'classic'. First consideration is an Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch, or a Tudor Black Bay. Other option is to get maybe 2 watches around $3K AUS. Which way should I go? I want something that will 'stand the test of time' as far as style as I want to pass it down to my daughter/s.
Buy what you like, forget the whole watch snobbery rubbish, it's just marketing. Rolex spends over a £100 million a year on advertising, that's what you are paying for and not a superior watch.
Terrific analysis. Many thanks 🙏
Invest in what makes you happy.
I've found that I hit the "Exit Watch point" earlier then expected as I found I treat any watch over $1,500 AUD like an guy with a Sports car up on blocks, I love the 3 I have at that price point but rarely wear them. I wanted a Breitling but realize I would treat it more like a painting or vase then a watch. I think those Mid price Seikos as well as my Base 22 and even my Steinhart GMT, I could sell all my watches and afford a Navitimer but, I don't think I would enjoy it as much as my large collection.
I tie milestones to the watches I acquire. Still have the Swiss Army Officer Watch that I bought with the first pay check at 15. And it's still in my wear rotation today.
So informative and this guy is so likable!
Myth No. 3... LOL even my Seagull 1963 mechanism looks amazing!
Dam teddy all my questions has been answered👌... enjoy the journey dont fall for the myths well said 🤙...so in a nutshell watch collecting is never ending ⌚👌🤙great episode brother 😂
Get a haircut
@@kavashaman7555 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That ceramic bezels are far superior to alluminum bezels... I think they're both have pros and cons
Regarding accuracy, I struggle with paying thousands for a mechanical watch when quartz are so much more accurate. What other product is the more expensive version less functional for the intended function?
Magisterial presentation!
Depth rating for mechanical watches is like talking about horsepower with cars. Most of the time its not being used to its potential, and its mostly just a talking point.
I would think it is as complicated as invest in art or oldtimer cars....
Only the future could tell.
YT channels like Teddy's bring the "wanna have it" effect at first on the table
This was genuinely helpful. Thanks!
Amazing video...Thanks.
Disagree with you on the exit watch/grail watch. I've achieved mine and going 7 years strong. Never looked back and it still brings me joy to wear and use everyday.
I think you covered the subject very well. Interesting watch, thanks.
My favorite collecting myth is that you “Need” certain watches to make your collection complete.
But only if you like them eh.
THank you so much. Sir for covering this up. i never buy watches even my fountain pens,stamps etc in terms of investment i hate it.
Although i am just 20 years old and my love for watch is such of a kind i own 62 watches right now most of them are vintage many dont give a damn to my collection as for them it nothing as they are big players just inclined for rolex,etc but i love them a lot. and hasnt sold any of them and even wont sell any of them untill the soul remains in my body.
Same is for fountain pens i collect other pens also which totals up to even more than 1000+ and same for my pens also.
watches are like something i feel that they are meant to enjoy they are like a jewelry being a male you cant wear lots of necklaces and all so watches are saviors for us.
i even inspire from Late Nicolas George Hayek co founder of watch group who wore 8 wrist watches although i dont wear that much but i wear 4 wrist watches sometimes 3 and like that as i have hairy hand so i am quite uncomfortable as in India the temperature is an issue in summers coz of humidity. But winters are the day for the watch lovers like us.
I an not disrespecting any one but when seeing someone owing an Audemars and storing it in a locker that makes me feel bad.
but we should enjoy them rather than investing purpose if investment is your purpose why not to buy gold coins, shares, properties and more.
Great video, took care of a lot of myths, very informative, well done...👍
OMG.
Ongoing service costs for an already expensive watch can hurt your pocket.
Exit watch is a myth. I purchased a Lange Datograph 403.032 back in November. That was my exit watch. Bought three watches since.
I personally purchased the Sinn U1 because I regularly spend time at about 500 m underwater. 😜 Just kidding I just feel like a bad ass knowing what is capable of and how it’s manufactured I love that watch although I wish I would’ve waited a little longer and I would’ve got the U50. My only complaint about it is it it is a little big my taste but I still love it
this guy is a genius, great thanks
Congratulations on adding Ball!
Big fan of their products 🤙
Talk more about ceramic as a material of choice with regards to watch cases and it's pros and cons please.
I have only had 3 'serious' watches in my life (70+ years)... a Heuer (Before TAG), a Breitling Navitimer (in the days when I had various airplanes and flew regularly...), and a 1920's two colour gold Cartier given to me by my wife which I wear for posh evenings (it loses a minute per hour, but I can adjust for that, as I can't afford for it to be seen to...). All of which are battered and bruised but still kept. (I do like automatic winding!)
When I was working a lot in slightly dangerous places, I was advised to have something so cheap it was not worth stealing, hence the use of a Swatch while working...perhaps even these are 'valuable' now?
I had a Seiko solar with GPS for a long time... great watch, but it has given up the ghost... thinking about getting it repaired, as 6 months of power and other features are great...
Presently on my wrist is the top of the range Garmin... like it a lot with all the features... except for having to remember to charge it once a week.
I guess those three serious watches are worth quite a lot, but they mean more to me as talismans, so I will just leave them for someone else to decide what to do with them... who knows what the Swatch is worth?
I own several watches that have appreciated. Rolex Batman, Tudor BB (ETA and “smile text”), GS SBGM235. I think that if you are thoughtful, you can craft a whole collection of watches that appreciate. That said, I have others that have not appreciated.
Doesn’t matter if you appreciate them.
I would be very surprised if A. Lange & Sohne watches didn't appreciate as well.
Brilliant. Thanks.
My collection is eclectic, 80usd Casios, 400usd Seikos and 5000usd Tudors. I truly enjoy each and every one of them
Hi Teddy, love your videos ! Hey I though about aluminum bezel vs. ceramic inserts, the pros and cons of them, for example.
Considering unsubscribing... Now I want a Speedmaster 3861, an Oris divers Cal.401, a Rolex Explorer and the Zenith Chronomaster "Daytona". And all the new Seikos. I am doomed.
Joke aside, very good reminder to both new joiners and seasoned watch lovers. Love your content !
If you can make your in house movement as thin as the ETA then great. But I'll take a thinner case over a sky high in house equipped one any day.
Well said. The title of *grail watch" is everlasting. Once you acquire it, a new one takes its place.
Then it wasn’t a grail watch. Grail watch is the one watch you desire the most but in reality will never own. It gets thrown around way too much.
I purchased this watch one month ago . I wore it none stop everyday and enjoyed it immensely . The aesthetic of this timepiece is awesome and the dial is readable in any lighting condition . It fits very comfortable on my 6.75 wrist . The functionality of the watch is awesome but I do wish the watch was a little thinner . It’s a wearable case but I can see why potential buyers would have concern about the thickness.
Which one?
To your last point until omega upgrades the bezel material on the speedy I'm team hesalite every day.
Lol with these watches being off by 20 seconds. I've never been late to a meeting because my watch was 20 seconds off. That tells time perfectly fine. Just reset the next day if you need to.
Isn’t it interesting that those that have the most can get the most . Just like your high profile friend . He can get hard to get watches at retail because he is a name and has pots of money . So , he can obtain hot watches at great prices and has made a profit from day one. Normal people like myself have no chance . ----- money makes money
on the flip side he's probably had to buy a bunch of other money-losing watches to get that one profitable watch so we can all sleep easy with this perspective
Have you done any reviews on satélite watches?
Totally agree with you. Great video!
thanks for not being a watch snob. Too many of those on You Tube.
It is a very unusual watch indeed that would be the equivalent of a blue chip stock-- although historically there have been some. I view watches, if bought smartly, as more the equivalent of a bond or a precious metal (whether made of precious metal or not). They can be a store of value and part of a diversified portfolio. And like with any monetary vehicle, there is always risk (theft or damage). I collect watches principally because they bring me great joy. My house also brings me great joy, but I would like it to also appreciate in value (or at the very least not depreciate too much). There is nothing inherently wrong with wanting one's watches to appreciate (or at least not depreciate much) in value. If this becomes the driving factor, however, then the joy of the hobby is in peril.
I think buying a watch that you enjoy and treat it as an investment not a sin in itself, but do make sure you have fun whilst you own your watch.
When you fear thst you'll ding or damage your watch is a fear that I personally cannot bear. However, I do understand the very intriging insentive of owning a luxury item that appreciate in time. 🤔
AlsoI think peoole who buy them with the intention of selling should remember that at the end of the day, you only see the return once you *sell* a watch so you really jave to be prepared to sell said watch.
To sum it up in a sentence: have fun with watch collecting! 😊
thanks for the video Teddy, very helpful. I'd say watches/art (whatever is in your price range) is a good investment if it makes you happy. Agree with the comments esp the Swiss make the best watch section
Some very logical arguments and real!
I'm relatively new to watches but my impression is that Japan is the best country overal when it comes to practical everyday watchesfor most people, whereas Switzerland makes alot of the more higher end stuff.
Vostoks are also good, unique design for cheap price and easy to regulate for pretty good accuracy (I calibrated mine to ≈4 secs a day gain)
I would never buy a watch as an investment. That being said, it is nice to buy a Rolex and know you aren’t going to lose much/any money in the long term if you end up needing to sell.
I’d rather buy a better watch than a Rolex just because I may be able to sell it to a fanboy in the future.
Skx007 purchased 180usd 2017
Orange monter gen 2 220usd purcased 2017
1994 seiko divers 150usd
Sarb 033 240usd purchased 2018
Everthing I buy has increased in value and thats great
very well done - covers a lot.
Great points Teddy
Best watch content on the interwebs. Keep up the good work.
When it comes to watches as investments: I got the question from a friend why I have got dozens of affordable watches instead of for example one Rolex for the same amount of money. Because the second hand value of affordable does not remain like luxury watches.
My answer was that my intention I collect watches is not to later sell them, but to use and enjoy them.
Anyway, I want to add watches to the list of possible investments: limited edition of Casio G-shocks are attractive for collectors and there are several examples of G-shocks increasing in value.
Regarding water resistance the numbers are truly misleading.
At 30m depth the static pressure is far above the total pressure reached of an olympic swimmer. So a number of 30m SHOULD mean you can bath and swim with it.
50m use to be considered to be useful for light swimming. And at least 100m is recommended for bathing and swimming. As mentioned in the video: think about what 100m really is. 100m is a very deep lake and far deeper than scubadivers usually go.
Great video like always!
Very informative video, and thank you for addressing the unrealistic expectations for the accuracy of mechanical movements. I gave my grandson a Seiko 5 SNK809 for Christmas last year and told him it would need to be adjusted periodically because it would not be as accurate as his Casio. His step-father called me a few weeks later telling me the Seiko was broken because it was gaining 10-15 seconds per day. Sigh.
All Watch dealers say the same thing about the "investment" side of watches......to me its a little bit of BS as I think they want you to keep buying and buy at a higher price so if you are buying and holding then you are their competition therefore we get the take that Watches are not an investment. I got in the watch game in January and have made a 20% return on my money buying/holding/selling Rolex/Panerai/Omega/Tudor while enjoying the 10 watches I keep.
I think there should be 2 versions of investments. I look at it like this.....when can buy a toy you like....play with it....and get close to or in some cases MORE than your money back. My investment guy looked at me like I was an idiot asking him if 20% return on 50K was a good idea over giving it to him....he said to keep that game going as a secondary FUN investment which i will keep doing.
Nothing against you Teddy as I really enjoy MOST of what you bring to the table.
The watches as investments really grinds on me
My Swatch Irony all stainless steel Chrono 1995 is worth nil on the market, i don't care ,its vintage and i bought it on my birthday in 1995, it means alot to me.
Dude, good stuff!!!
A big myth is vintage watches are usually unreliable, Ive got three, a 70s record 500m automatic professional (only 500 ever made for one of the oil companies), a 74 citizen 17 jewel and I recently purchased a fully refurbished seiko 7002. All of which do a pretty solid job, my record in particular never misses a beat and hasn't been serviced in years. I also managed to snag an old oris shock resistant 17 jewel on ebay for £7.50 because the guy just listed it as unbranded and as a dress watch, its not too bad either. I don't tend to buy brand new watches tbh