This must be one of the best “versus” videos I’ve seen on cameras. No “ultimate showdown” based on stats found online, but rather real world experiences that provide plenty of pros and cons to both cameras. The result is practical examples that viewers can easily process and make an informative choice when the time comes. Good job!
I bought my Zenza Bronica SQai in 1992 and used it primarily for portraiture work with strobe lights and modifiers. It never failed me on any of my jobs. I even used it for shooting college basketball games. Unfortunately I was the victim of a burglary in April of 1993. I Lost the camera, prizm finder, extra 120 and 220 backs, a polaroid back and two lenses, 80mm f2.8 and 150mm f3.5. I didn't replace it right away. I wish I still had that camera. It really was a great kit. I've blown up images from that camera up to 16x20 and they were SHARP as a TACK!
@@SteveONions I've used the 500 and 501 CM cameras for a few years before I bought the Bronica. I didn't see any difference at all in the quality. However, I enjoyed some of the extra features of the Bronica that the Hassleblad did not give me.
Back in the Day - The Bronica ETR was a favourite among event/wedding photogs. Although not quite as relabel or rugged the Bronica is more hi-tech than the Blad.
Thanks for this Steve, your videos are always fantastic. Don't ever stop! :) I have a Bronica SQ-A with 50, 80 and 150, and watched this video a lot before buying the a Hasselblad 503cx with 50, 80, 150 this summer. After using the Hasselblad for a while I honestly find the Bronica SQ-A to be the better system of the two. The Bronica SQ-A has electronically controlled shutters that are always spot on (whereas the lenses on my Hassy varies...), never jams, has a double exposure function built in, can switch viewfinders without having to take off back, and for me is WAY easier to focus due to the for me way better matte screen on my SQ-A compared to the one I got with my 503cx. The only thing I can say the Hasselblad is better at is that the shutter sound of the Hasselblad sounds like butter compared to the slightly high pitched and annoying sound of the SQ-A. But really, for me, that's the biggest (and possible only) advantage of the Hasselblad 503cx over the Bronica SQ-A system. Sorry for the wall of text. This probably isn't of any value to you Steve, but perhaps it might be of help to others considering both system :-)
Glad you tried the Hasselblad Matthias, it is surprising how close they are in real world capabilities. There’s such a difference in price that the Bronica is a really good option for a 6x6 system camera.
Missing using my Hassie as I am still waiting on my house to be finished due to pandemic delays; no running water etc. in my friend's cabin, so not shooting film until I can process it. Great review, and either system will serve one's needs admirably. My 500 C and 80mm were a gift from a dear friend, his father's equipment. I have added a prism finder, 50mm, 150mm, and 250mm to the kit all for around $600 with some patience and scrounging ebay for deals over the last two years. I feel very blessed indeed! Cheers!
Don’t forget Steve, the Bronica was created by Zenzaburo Yoshino as a response to the disappointingly unreliable HASSELBLAD 1000F. I use a Hasselblad 500 series model, a Rolleiflex 3.5f and a Fuji GL690.
I’m late to this video, but I thought you should know that your the reason I bought my Bronica! Went hiking with my metal Mamiya 645 and after the first day I realized I need a lighter camera. Sold it while I was away still and bought an SQ-A in a bundle for $600. Really, really love the camera and the backs. They sure are a little hard to get with the accessories though
Rollei SLX for me - you can use it one handed and left or right handed - magazines are lighter and much smaller too -Rechargeable battery change is on the side of the camera and you can keep them in your pockets which also keeps them warm!!
Very valid points about both systems. For me personally, it's the Hasselblad. What sold me was the sharpness of the lenses. I can remember the amazement I had when looking at the first roll of film I used in the 500C/80MM C lens back in the day. I've now moved up to the 503CX and all my lenses are now CF and still the same quality that I loved back when I started. I wish they'd come out with some sort of 500 series anniversary film camera...I'm sure it would sell out in no time.
I also loved the lenses and never worried about optimal apertures etc - they were all good. The Bronica is the same apart from the 50mm which is not a good as the Zeiss.
The last two generations of Zenzanon lenses were exceptionally sharp. It's only the earliest lenses they released that had some issues, and even then it was only reserved to a couple focal lengths. Most of the bronica lenses were made in Japan by the same factories that contracted for Zeiss, they were phenomenal once they got past the first generation.
I had an SQ-A with 3 PS lenses, it was so good.. sharp and contrasty lenses, lightweight, flash sync up to 1/500, a perfect camera. Now I switched to GS-1, bought myself a 6x6 and 6x7 backs, great system as well, very universal, little bit bigger and heavier, but not much. I am a huge fan of Bronica cameras and good news is, they still are quite inexpensive compared to other brands delivering same, or usually better image quality. And all those stereotypes about reliability issues are not true at all, those are workhorses.
I’ve never tried a GS-1 but they were definitely a bargain a few years ago. I’m very happy with the quality of Bronica equipment, well made and some thoughtful design features.
Steve, When I was in my City College days in San Francisco back in 1977 that I got a Bronica S2A with the 75mm 2.8 Nikkor P, and the Nikkor 105mm Shutter/Lens but with the lens the closest that I got with the 105mm was 2 feet, but at least it sync with all speeds when using flash, as for the 75mm Nikkor in which that was my go to lens at the time when I use it during my Grad School days, as it was my shooting lens to shoot street photo, and also when I took it to Yosemite in the snow as the results were sharp, and contrasty. But it gather inside the Camera Bag as when I look at it that I decided to find more lenses for my baby so I obtain the following: The 50mm 3.5 Nikkor, and the 135mm 3.5 Nikkor, and a Chimney focusing hood also for the Bronica S2A, as I tested both lenses in shooting landscaping, that I found the 50mm was sharper at 3.5 and the 135mm very much sharper than the 105mm as the 105mm was sharp in the center, but soft at the edges. When I got the both lenses that the seller also threw in a extra goodie, a Polaroid back for the S2A, but with what? Fuji kill their FP100, and FP3000, and I pleaded with Polaroid to bring back Peel apart film. Now i am hoping that someone creates a Fuji Instax back for the Bronica, and Hasselblad, and Mamiya & Graflex XL Press cameras.
I bought my Bronica SQ from Japan with the 80mm and 50mm lens, and a prism view finder. Bought a second film back, 150mm lens, and a waist level. Totally in love with that camera. So much so, I have an S2A on it way. Should be here today or tomorrow. Having a hard time waiting. For the price, I think I'll pick up an ETRS, in some from or other. Great video. Thanks.
Around 2001-2 I was doing a lot of Mountaineering and lugging a C330 around. Popped into Cambrian to buy a used 'Blad' The salesman knew his stuff and held Blads in very high esteem. After a very long discussion, he advised I would be better off with an ETRSi system. He never made a sale that day, but his knowledgeable and honest advice got a future repeat customer. Great vlog Steve, or should that be, a knowledgeable and honest vlog 😃 Cheers Diz
I just had a ETRSi back broken and repaired. Indeed a week point. Fantastic tools otherwise, these Bronica's! Lovely video! I enjoy watching and learning from your work. Many thanks.
Thank you for this great comparison! I almost went with a Bronica after watching your videos, and I was itching to know your opinion on the Hasselblad. I am currently using a 500 C/M from 1980 and very happy with it. All the points you made are absolutely spot on especially the one to do with the cable release interfering with the lenses
Fantastic comparison Steve. I picked up a Hassleblad about four years ago along with an 80mm, extra back, prism viewfinder and a tele converter. It's a great camera and I think it may be a tad older than I am!
For total indulgence in a heavyweight system you can't get past the Rolleiflex SL66. Totally over engineered but way, way better than a Hassy. The best thing tho is the SL66 is relatively unknown, it's expensive enough as it is but the images and capability of the camera are second to none (IMO)... one of the perks shooting the SL66 is when passers by comment 'Is that a Hasselblad?' I genuinely rejoice in replying 'no, it's better..' Great review BTW.
I always liked the idea of the Rollei until a friend of mine bought one and had a lot of problems with it. He was also less impressed with the wideangle lenses so eventually sold it for a Hasselbald. Had it worked out well for him I may have bought one.
I happened to get the Rolleiflex SL66 - A pretty good system with 80mm, 150mm and 250mm lenses just happened across my path while I was just thinking about getting into medium format. I absolutely love it, and the images have been great so far. I've supplemented it with a 50mm lens, and I'll get one or two extra backs and a prism viewfinder when I can afford it.
About 6 months ago I wanted to get into medium format SLR. I looked and found, of all of them, I could stretch and afford a Bronica SQ. I got one with one film back, a 50mm and a 80mm lens, and the eye level view finder. I paid, like $600. You can see my unboxing video. I have since got a waist level view finder, a 150mm lens, and another film back. I so love that camera and bought a hard case to keep her safe. Her name is Veronica, by the way. Veronica the Bronica. Ya, I got a hell-of-a-lot of camera, for a fraction of the Hasselblad price. It's kind of funny. I shoot Canon "A" series 35mm cameras, and they both take the same battery! Well, I find it funny, anyway. Great video and thanks.
I still love your videos. Great again. Thank you for your honest point of view. I got this weekend a Mamiya 645 with 2 lenses from my wife (for my 2x20th birthday 😉) so I will use that set the next time. (But I have also my beloved 6x6 TLRs)...and the hasselblad is like the Leica out of (financial) range. Stay safe and go on as good as always 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Its not 6x6 and far from lightweight but I would probably go for a Mamiya RB67 or maybe the newer RZ67 today. Had a RB67 over 10y ago and kinda miss it sometimes.
With you 100%. I shot fashion for catalogues such as Gratton and a bit of Conde Nast back in the day - I had 2 RZ's with 5- or 6 lenses including the might 500 APO - the image quality is far superior to both Bronica which I had 1st and Hass which I had later - the revolving back is a legendary move - however I would say that I also then went slightly nuts and moved up tot he Fuji GX680III however this was bad move - whilst its made of some unearthly lightweight material it is just too big to use handheld which you can just about do with the other three - and even then on a tripod it was unwieldy and then once you start adding lenses into the mix - but I relented all of that now and gone back to Hass H6 100c on digi which it kills me to say is better than any of them - just maybe out of interest - one of my GX680III's is now on permanent display as an unused example with every single lens they produced and every accessory (some experimental which even the modern Fujiists' didn't know they, or I come to that matter, I had) at The House Of Fuji in Covent Garden London upstairs in their Heritage Dept and, just for clarity, I was a Fuji Ambassador for a while - giving Fuji lectures on their circuit.....but.....Hass....... But hey ho If I had to choose between Bron and Hass - I would say Bron is the little known cousin of 6x6 with quirky and adorable features and Hass is the favorite child, solid reliable and dependable whereas I would actually go for the Rollei SLX because it is the sweet little sister of the 6x6 family which be can also be used left or right handed and it is a joyous thing and I wished I still had mine!!!!!! Stay safe all
RB67 -- the system camera and weight bench all in one! Seriously, it's a system camera beyond anything else. I've got lenses from 50mm to 250mm (though not all of them) and there's at least one longer one available, as well as the 37mm fisheye (which I don't have). I've got three viewfinders. I can shoot 6x7, 6x6 (with a third party roll film holder -- a Graflex 22), 6x4.5, and 35mm Xpan format (including sprockets, if I choose not to crop them off). Spend a little more, and I can put a 2x3 Grafmatic on it and shoot sheet film. Or an Instax back, and get instant prints (or a peel-apart Polaroid back, but that film is down to whatever expired stock you're willing to overpay ten times for). It is hand holdable (I bought the left hand grip with release trigger for that, as well as a good strap), albeit much heavier than either Hasselblad or Bronica (but then it's effectively a 7.5x8 cm SLR). And best of all (at least in my opinion), the only part of the system that needs a battery is the meter in the chimney finder; the rest is 100% mechanical.
I bought an RB when they first came out., used it in the studio for 32 years and it still works great! Got a Pro S from KEH because the price was right. I bought a 500C/M and a bunch of lenses a number of years ago and still reach for the RB.
The Mamiya RB is a great camera, solid and reliable but very heavy, more so than my 4x5 and the biggest reason I sold mine. As a side note I also owned the RZ but found this not to be reliable with a film advance lever that slipped.
Interesting comment in The Ansel Adams Guide, vol I that 6x6 seems like only 1 cm smaller than a 67. But if you want to print 8x10, 11x14 or 16x20, you need to crop 1.5 cm off top and bottom resulting in a 45% smaller negative than 67. Now I develop, scan, print and custom mat so square works for my primary genre, portraiture. But for walkabouts, I carry Steve's recommendation of a tlr, a Yashica mat 124. Super light weight and can be carried all day. For street, I shoot 50 mm in ff 35mm cameras so I get this large neg.
I had both Hasselblad ELM500 and Bronica ETRSi - after few years of use, I sold Hasselblad, because I much more frequently take the Bronica. Hasselblad Zeiss lenses are different, but we can not say obviously better than Bronica - depends on what are you shooting for and what lens you choose. Bronica body is just better to use.
Great comparison Steve, with focus in the areas that matter to photographers. I've been a medium format shooter for a few years now and bought an SQA a few months ago. It's a terrific camera. 6x6 is a joy to shoot and by far my preference now. Keep up the great work with your YT posts. I've enjoyed watching them for quite a while. Cheers
Thanks a lot! Very clear and fair. In the 70's I could use a Hasseblad for 6 weeks. Being a student and it being summer, so lots of time to go out, I used it a lot. For about 10 days. After the initial bliss, the bulk and weight started to count. Most important, at my level of photography I didn't see much difference in image quality, compared to my Nikon 35mm. I am sure that technically and optically the Hasseblad is the top. But I would have to pay a very high price for an excellence that my skills are too limited for. Hasseblads should be awarded to young promising photographers and bought by people with a fat wallet that carry them, but hardly use them. For medium format, I am very happy with my light and simple Rolleiflex 3.5 F and smaller Bronica ETSRi. For the latter, accessories such as filters are much more affordable.
It’s a fair point Robert and I also enjoy 35mm cameras which can deliver excellent quality. I find the 6x6 system cameras to be perfect when working from a tripod in the landscape but for everyday use a TLR is nicer to carry.
I had a very similar conversation with myself a couple of years ago and decided to go down the Bronica ETRS road. The main over riding points that swayed my decision was overall weight, the fact I never print larger than 12 X 16 or 11 X 14 paper and the price of equipment, just taking photographs for myself could I justify spending four or five times the amount, more to the point could I afford to and the answer was no to both questions.
Great video, I've had Hasselblads for 48 years still have an old 40mm from NE&Co from purchased 30 years ago now its sat around as a paper weight had to replace it a few years ago for a CF FLE. so i can use it on a X1D with the adapter and the older lenses witch are fantastic with digital.
great video, one other plus for bronica, they have a shutter lock, which locks ALL release options, the grip, the cable socket, and the button, so whatever configuration you choose, NO need to have the darkslide inserted to stop any in-advertent shutter release in-bag, or while handling it; another plus, the cable socket is on the side, so while using, no fingers can get in front of the lens!; also this means a 'self-timer' clock work release can fit, without jamming fingers into the lens.
My two SQ-Ai bodies will fire on the cable release regardless of the lock button setting. It’s never a problem though as the release is only screwed in when I’m ready to shoot 👍
@@SteveONions good point to be aware of, I just got an ETRSI, and this is the case for that model, was not aware the sq-ai 's were diferent in this way.
I own two Bronica Etrs and Etrsi cameras, and just recently bought batteries for them with the intention to break them out of mothballs. I have had beautiful results with both negative and slide film with these cameras in the past. I will never let them go.
Easy, if you're a snob, get the Hasselblad. If you only care for getting great pictures, the Bronica does the job perfectly. The Zenzanon PS lenses are fully the equivalent of the Zeiss lenses (this was proven in magazine tests back in the day). The system is more advanced and more ergonomic. The sibling Bronica ETR system is also an amazing camera system, with killer Zenzanon -PE lenses.
I have no quibbles about the Bronica lens lineup apart from the 50mm which isn’t as good as the later Zeiss models. The issue I’m finding is that repairs are more difficult (and expensive) with electronic film cameras.
@@SteveONions a bronica SQ is a simple camera inside. The electronic Seiko shutters on the lenses are simpler than the mechanical Compur shutters on Hassy lenses. Source of this claim: I'm a camera tech.
Perfect video! My eyes glaze over when I see one of those "Which should I buy?" videos. Like you, I sold my Hasselblad a number of years ago to go digital. About three years ago I came across an eBay sale for three ELMs and a 150mm C lens. All for $400US. These things breed behind your back when you are not looking. I now also have a 501CM body, and a full set of T* lenses. One thing, however that I think needs to be addressed. While both the Bronica and the Hasselblad are built like tanks, it comes at a cost. Weight. For those of us that have been north of fifty, and then some, weight becomes more and more an issue. I now have to decide if I'm going to bring along the 250mm, or even the 50mm. If I'm going to be shooting ten feet from the car, it's not an issue. But if I'm going to be walking in for a few hundred yards, my back will let me know. There are two well-known and respected UA-cam landscape photographers who have missed opportunities because their backs would keep them in the house. Both of these people are in their thirties. So here is my dilemma. I admit that I have a jaundiced view that my Hasselblad is a standard that I judge all other cameras by. But the weight is becoming an issue, as my back keeps reminding me. In an attempt to see if I could beat this weight thing, I bought a Leica R4s ($80 plus $180 for a CLA). The camera is an absolute joy to use. However, maybe I'm just an impatient soul and find that 36 exposures is just too long to wait for processing. Or do I go for a 4x5 Intrepid with a Schneider 150mm, with all that entails? Inquiring minds want to know. Jeff
I’m in a similar position Jeff, love the 6x6 SLR’s but it’s my heaviest outfit by some way. It’s an age thing for me too although even 10 years ago I questioned taking the Blad too far up hills. I’m considering another (3rd time round) Mamiya 645 outfit due to the lenses being so small and light. The Intrepid is very light and easy to carry a long way but the UK weather makes it impractical 75%’of the time. I’m also keen on 35mm and find large darkroom prints have a charm all of their own. I’ve got a few top both primes for the Nikon’s and with a bit of effort 16”x20” prints can be very smooth. PS - if you find an answer to the quality v weight issue then let me know (and don’t say Mamiya 6 with the 3 lenses - I can’t afford it 🙁).
@@SteveONions Hi Steve! It's not fun getting old. I've found a wonderful park about two miles from my house. 3,200 acres of formally logged 100 years ago. The land is still owned by a family, but they have made most of the land open to the public with the county undertaking the trail maintenance. It's classic Pacific Northwest temperate rain forest. Next Sunday promises good weather. There are five rolls of Velvia and two of Delta 100 just wanting to go outside and play. So, I'll leave out the 250mm and 50mm and see how it goes. I will need to go in for a back tuneup once elective surgery returns this Spring. In the meantime, It's game on. I will keep an eye out for the noble combination, as you suggest. It would be nice though to revisit 35mm 20 exposure rolls (remember those?). In the meantime, maybe some of our fellow photographers might have some suggestions about weight vs. quality.
I like very much the Bronica. But..In landscape the important is sharpness, but in portraits it's different. The Planar is a masterpiece and I cannot live without it. I would like the Zeiss lenses on the Bronica Camera for the electronic shutter, the priority mode, etc. etc.
A great video Steve. I absolutely loved the Hasselblad 500CM with its amazing resolving power, but felt it somewhat cumbesome & restricting when used in such a large underwater housing along with being limited to a 6x6 format 120 - 12 exposure film back. I was so use to COMEX giving me 35mm cameras and housings with 36 exposure film for their offshore CVI and UVI Mag particle inspection photography.
Great video Steve, as usual. I concur with you on the 50mm FLE lens on the Hasselblad system. It's a wonderful lens. I do find the Acute Matte-D screen that while extremely bright, it's not very contrasty - it's difficult to tell the in and out of focus transitions. I replaced mine with a custom Maxwell screen, which is terrific.
I entirely agree with you on your point about Hasselblad. I’ve seen grown men approach me to ask permission just to hold the darn thing. And yes, women have approached me too. That’s the kind of “good will” every company dreams of. But the hype outweighs the performance. The Japanese makers really kept pace with the Europeans in this. And I’m typical Japanese fashion, their penchant for modesty kept them from aggressively marketing their cameras as prestige marvels of engineering. The Japanese market is somewhat strange to Western minds too. A certain brand can both offer a very basic, hoi polloi line of watch for $50, but also have a luxury line that sells for a new sub-compact car. Think Seiko. Here in the West, the brand IS the quality-or, that’s the theory in the public’s mind. In fact, it’s supposed to be the other way around. That’s why today, if you buy anything modern with the Hasselblad name on it, you do so at your own risk. For me, I’ll stick to my mid 60-70s Pentax’s and Takumar lenses. For the money, they’re build quality and performance are tough to beat. And I own Hasselblad and Rolleiflex. Both of those grace my bookshelf.
It’s very true, the aura that surrounds some brands is out of all proportion to their actual design and usefulness. I find Japanese cameras better designed and more efficient.
Picked up a Mamiya RB67 "kit" of several lens and a body for about $400. It was a beast but the rotating 6x7 back made it worth every penny. Have owned Leica, 'Blad, and even a Bronica. Always regretted selling them.
Hi Steve. I don’t know much about Bronica but I recently inherited a Hasselblad 203FE with a Zeiss 80mm f2.8 planar lens. Never owned or operated one of these type of cameras before and I am loving the challenge. The equipment is a joy to own, so well made and fascinating to learn about. I think I would like to do a hybrid approach shooting in B&W, process at home in a Jobo tank then scan and print with my Epson gear. Need to get a good spot meter like yours. My other pride and joy is a Leica M10-P which I love also even though it is digital. Cheers
Super interesting. I have a full Bronica kit and always wondered what I was missing out on. The bronica is also relatively light, good for long hikes and its easily replaced if damaged.
Great content Steve, have the Rolleiflex Sl66, which i like. The lens can be turned back to front for macro photography which is another unique feature as well as the built in lens tilt.
Nice comparison. I've never owned or used the Bronica SQA, but I do have a 503CW. I only ever shoot with the prism finder, so have no issues with unnecessary film back removal. It's a great camera and a pleasure to use as you know, but if I was forced to choose between it or my Mamiya 6 and its 3 perfect lenses, it would be the Mamiya!
I own a Bronica EC which predates the SQA and has a focal plane shutter a opposed to the leaf shutter in the 501 and SQA. Only cost me 250 quid to import it with a 75mm nikkor (including royal mail's fee). Its in need of a service, but otherwise it's in excellent condition for 50 years old. The lenses for the s2/EC are very reasonably priced and the S2A is fully mechanical (and reliable) so would be my choice should my EC die. IRC the original Bronica was born out a love for Hasselblad and it's designers desire to perfect the 'blad.
Excellent review for my decision making… I have the opportunity between the SQAi and the GS1… bc of funds I’m way out of reach for the hassleblad as you gave mention… Cheers 👍
Ouch, selling your Hassey... but the Bronica is no slouch in the hands of an artist. Really enjoyed the analysis Steve and doubt you’d ever get better images. Old cliche applies again, it’s the photographer not the equipment.
I got my Bronica (brand new/ old stock) two years ago for the price normally cost 40 years old Hasselblad . It wasn’t “trendy “ choice but I’m happy with it 🙂
I've been shooting with a 6x6 back on my RB67. The Mamiya Sekor lenses are superb, and the camera is a joy to use. It's my poor-man's Bronica/Hasselblad. The tradeoff is that it's enormous and weighs about 600 lbs. And to be fair I got lucky enough to inherit mine. RBs and RZs were really cheap there for a while, but not so much anymore.
“You fee 10 feet tall when shooting one” the exact same can be said for shooting a rolleiflex. There is nothing like shooting classic cameras! People are fascinated by them, and you feel like a celebrity shooting one. I’m often in the middle of Manhattan shooting, and I nearly draw a crowd when I pull out the Rollei! Wish I had known that when I was single! 😂😂😂
Hi Steve, this is a serious and sincere video comparing those two cameras, from a real user point of view. Some time ago, I was in the market for a 6x6 coming from a Rolleiflex T, but I've foud that while the Bronica's seems well known and maintained in the UK, it was not so available in continental Europe and none of the usual camera repair and service shops offer service for Bronica's ; here the Hasselblad is much more common (but not cheaper) and you can find very reputable shops to maintain or repair. So I went for the Blad 501CM and have been very happy since. Most of the criticism you make about the Blad are true, indeed, but there are some tricks ; for example, I have found an U-shaped adapter for the cable release on the Blad that makes it easier to deal with.
Thanks Bernard. There’s no doubt that the Hasselblad’s will be easier to fix in the years ahead which is why I now have three SQA-I bodies 😊. I like the idea of your cable release adapter.
I find the viewfinder in my Bronica S2A to be brighter than in a 500C/M. And I love how it sounds like something broke when you wind a new frame. And how you have viewfinder whether it's wound or not. And how it's a japanified way of saying "brownie cam". But I miss mirror lockup. I'd like an SQA.
I worked in studio with a pro color lab attached to it back in the late 70s early 80s. We shot our stuff with Hasselblads, but would print for other pros who used Bronicas (amongst other camera brands). I have to say that there was a noticeable difference in the print quality from these 2 cameras. The Bronicas could not match Hasselblads for print quality once you started printing to 20x16” and larger. But then, the Hasselblads were much more expensive, you get what you pay for. Interesting vid though, thank you.
Thanks for the insight David, nothing beats real world experience. I’ve not done too many big enlargements from either camera so haven’t got the ability to compare directly. I think a lot of the differences will be masked if using digital processing these days, less so with the darkroom obviously.
With the Hasselblad you really have to get the top-tier lenses to get your value for the extra money. Back in the day I could only afford the 4/50 mm CT* and always had to stop it down to f11 to get sharp corners as its focal plane isnt flat enough. On the long end the 5.6/250mm CT* wasn't the highest resolving one could wish for and really not much to write home about. The system gave me good service but In the end I sold it after I had two A12 magazines lock up on me when on location. They had recently been serviced by a recommended repairer. In 15 years about every part of my Hassi-Kit needed service and this was one problem too much for me. In todays market where prices for Hasselblad have again risen to next to absurd levels, especially for the really good lenses (40 FLE, 50 FLE, 60, 100, 120, 180. 250 SA is still a bit of a sleeper) and bodies I would not put my money there again unless I wanted the prestige instead of a photographic tool.
I also found the 250mm to be quite an average performer and preferred to use a x2 converter on my 150mm. The 50mm CF/ FLE was excellent and better than the equivalent Bronica.
I am a university student so cost is the defining factor for me, which is why I went for a Bronica system. The backs are a bit of a pain (you are really lucky to never have had problems with them!) but I am in love with it, it was the cheapest option but it definitely doesn't *feel* like a cheap option ;)
As an owner of Hasselblad one thing to mention. With the lenses you need special filters if you use ones or look for dome sort of adapters. Not a big deal, but at time it bothers me.
Hasselblads frighten me. When you press the shutter button, the camera has to: close the shutter, lift the mirror, open the barn doors, close the diaphragm to the selected f stop, and activate the shutter. When you wind, the the actions include advancing the film, closing the barn doors, dropping the mirror, opening the diaphragm and cocking/reopening the shutter. All done with gears, levers, cams, and springs. Given wear, hardened lubricants and general abuse, it’s a wonder that they work. A testament to the craftsmanship and materials selection of the makers.
Put like that it is a wonder that they ever work James! They obviously refined the mechanism over the years after a bad start with the 1600F and later 1000F, both having issues.
I'm a Bronica man and have been since 1983, when I started using an ETRS professionally. I'll be honest: I've never encountered the faults you're outlining. Not ever. Any problems I had were user related - like not making sure the backs were properly secured. The P Series wide angles corrected the problems with the wide angles. They're just not there any more. I've used a 'Blad and I couldn't really understand what the fuss was about. I think it's true that - at the time - the 'Blad lenses were probably better but Zenzanon caught them up and the differences between the two brands because almost non existent. I'm currently suffering with a Mamiya RB67. Great camera but just too complicated to be enjoyable. I might as well be using 5x4, which I don't really want to do. So I'm going back to Bronica but this time it's going to be an SQ-A or SQ-B. I think whatever you said about the Hasselblad, the really telling thing was that you said you're staying with the Bronica and I don't blame you.
I prefer a rectangular format and so landed on a Mamiya M645 1000s and a couple lenses. For me it was a choice between the Mamiya and a Bronica Etrsi. This model Bronica has every feature of the Mamiya plus interchangeable backs. I don't need the interchangeable back and prefered the fit and finish of the Mamiya. Also, I am stoked with the Mamiya 55mm 2.8 which is the lens that lives on my camera 95 percent of the time. I am sure i would have loved the Bronica had i opted for it. It's all largely subjective. Any of these cameras will give professional quality results and any should prove reliable. Decide first whether you like square or rectangular. Then look at features and lenses. And cost.
Team Bronica. But I prefer the S2a, all manual, built like a tank and very lovely lenses. :) And the shutter sound easily establishes my dominance over any other photographer...
Bought my Hasselblad around 15yrs ago. Reasons: 1. Zeiss lenses 2. Availability of 2nd hand accessories and parts 3. Widespread repair knowledge & easy to fix by nearly every camera repair shop
It’s true that support for the Hasselblad will go on for a long time and repairers are very familiar with the cameras. To offset any problems with the Bronica I now have three SQA-I bodies, two recently fully serviced. They are still quite cheap, I got one without focus screen and a couple of the knobs for just £50 last year.
Nice comparison Steve. I agree the Bronic is an excellent choice and I can't wait to take it out again. I've been in training and can now lift the body and a two lens kit. I haven't risked trying to pick up the 250mm lens though.
Agree with all you've said. I sold my 500CM to buy a Leica, and that I didn't quite like it for 6x6 as much as my Rolleiflex. But deciding to buy another interchangeable lens 6x6 I chose Bronica instead and don't regret it. The body handles very nicely and the lenses are great.
Great review! These are all older cameras. The best for the budget is Bronica! Bronica SQ-A is more than capable and never had an issue with mine. I think the major deciding factor between Hasselblad and Bronica is the price. If someone has the money to spend on a good Hasselblad, it’s the best choice.
I bought Bronica SQ one week ago. I really like it but I had some problems. It was bought in 1981 and material that blocks the light from bouncing inside of the body has started to deteriorate. I scraped that stuff off since the mirror was always dusty from that stuff and even some of that was finding it's way to the film and film back. Now I need to stick some thin light seal foam and that will be that. There was another problem. Mirror was misaligned and the focus was way off (especially the back focus) but I managed to fix that (still have to do few tests). I was surprised that there was no info about that on the internet. I should make a post about it on dpreview forum about some day. Btw. I saw some listings on ebay for Bronica SQ that have that same rotten insides problem and it was labelled as mint ! If you see it's cracked that means it has that problem !
You probably got one of the first models introduced and I’m not surprised the seals have gone. I have a couple of spare bodies just in case of a mishap on a trip.
Love the videos. Can you do a video about what decision goes into which size format to use (large/medium/35mm etc.)? Why are larger formats better and is it worth it? Or why medium format is better than 35mm for example?
Oooh, tricky one. Even I’m not sure why I chose a particular format most times. If it’s a long walk I go with the lightest camera, other than that it depends how I’m feeling.
I had a Bronica 6 x 4.5 cm with a grip in the 70's. A really nice camera to handle and with a perfect lens. I sold it, when I needed the money for a bench camera, Toyo 4 x 5 inch. A lot of fun too. Later I bought another identical Bronica, both where new, but this second lens never turned out as sharp as the first, though I didn't take the time to compare with earlier negatives. Maybe there could have been a slight variation in the production. Anyway a very handy and well functioning camera. I have to add, Steve, that if one or two Hasselblad 500C Moon model are resting on the Moon, they have been dropped from a satellite. I have studied the photographs and footage delivered from NASA through a couple of decades, and I now know for sure, that if the Apollo astronauts ever set their feet on the Moon, it was not what was photographed and filmed. All images, video and TV was produced on Earth. There are at least 10 essential discrepancies to support my view, but for a photographer it is interesting that with a spy satellite program carried out in the mid 60's in US a complicated pressure chamber had to be build to keep the emulsion from boiling, and this was in inner space. So, the film in a Hasselblad on the Moon, and those cameras were without any pressure related modifications, would be exposed to a greater vacuum than the film in the spy satellite, and no "iconic" images would ever have returned.
@@alanpods______8260 Yes, my friend, have you studied the difference? Maybe you want me to say "lower pressure" on the Moon than in LEO, but actually it's grades of vacuum. Absolute vacuum doesn't exist.
@@SteveONions I understand, Steve. I just can't help myself when I see the dogmas aired, even when people do it as a part of "common knowledge". I love the truth.
My opinion: Bronica and Hasselblad are like Nissan and Jaguar cars. If you want a reliable, economical car, Bronica, and if you want status, Hasselblad.
Something to consider is what conditions you are going to use the camera in. I used to own a Mamiya 645 with a range of lenses. After a few years living in the tropics, ALL my lenses had turned into expensive paper weights. All the focus rings were stuck, and there was fungus on the lens ellements. I knew someone with a Mamiya RZ 67. Same story. Also the camera body had stopped working. For 35 mm I used a Minolta, and there were zero problems. Everything was in perfect working order after many years. The Minolta lineup was actually older than my Mamiya, but the build quality was far superior. Unfortunately, you do not see the difference when you buy the camera and lenses. It's only after years of hot and humid climate that the difference shows itself. In this respect I would trust the Hasselblad more than the Bronica.
Hi Steve, thank you for the objective and subjective evaluation of the two systems. I think it will lead to controversy to some but I find really well done and useful. Good light!
Step 1. Like this video Step 2. Close UA-cam Step 3. Open eBay Step 4. Think up credible explanation for the wife as to why you’re buying a Hasselblad Step 5. Buy nothing, close eBay and cry
I have a Bronica S2a with the Nikkor 85mm f/2.8. I'm very, very happy with the image quality. I also have an RB67, which also has fantastic image quality. Both are certainly better cameras than I am a photographer!
I had this exact same thought process back in 2011, the main thing that swung it for me towards the Bronica SQ system was the price of the lenses. I got 50mm S, 80mm PS and 150mm PS for £350 total, the hassy lenses were ridiculously expensive in comparison, some more than i paid for my whole system kit.
Steve: Have missed your videos, I love film shooting too but getting anything developed is difficult where I am. I've got bricks of 6x6 for my 75mm 3.5 Rollei TLR Tessar camera. truly would love to shoot on more flexible system. Still love my magic film images from a Vietnam trip. Want to life rest of life there. Nice video Steve, thanks !!
Great video and explanation. I used to own a Bronica ETRS in the early 80s. It was a great camera. I had all the lenses, metering prism, film backs, grip, etc, etc. In the early 90s at a moment of madness, I sold all my medium format gear, large format view camera and two lenses, a Mamiya C330 TLR with full array of lenses and accessories, and some other stuff to a dealer for a song. To date I regret it. Yes I do own a couple of Hasselblads and a few lenses, but the Bronica is not far behind. The lenses are very very good. They are also smaller and lighter than their Hasselblad equivalents, have you seen the 40mm for Hasselblad? I have a couple of Beatie screens and an Acute Matte. The Acute Matte screen was actually manufactured by Minolta for Hasselblad. The original Hasselblad screen is pants BTW. Many thanks for the video.
@@SteveONions Yes I still do Steve, come to remember , even the view camera, a Toyo View 45 had a beatie screen. I have come to the conclusion, in my old age, that I am not exactly the smartest creature on two legs.
Thanks for covering the Bronica. I picked up a Mamiya RZ67 though I was contemplating a Bronica. I went with the RZ67 because of the aspect ratio and masking and wanted to do some studio fashion theme, ... Taking it in the field is a nuisance of course and I just don't do it..
Lovely video as always! Not going to lie, your videos were a big part of why I bought a Bronica Sq-A and have uhh subsequently sunk a lot of money into the system and while I have only been able to do like city walks with it, I really enjoy using it! I just need to actually start taking good photos with it but that's on me lol I think one more advantage Hasselblad has is that the company still exists, so I assume service is more readily available (while for Bronica you have to rely on finding a good camera repair person). I think there is also still compatibility between old Blad accessories and the new cameras too? And while I hadn't checked before, looking at it now, the Hasselblad lineup of lenses is really long and extensive. There are a few hidden gems in the Bronica lineup though too but given their lower production, they can be hard to find or read about even (e.g. there's a 35mm fisheye, a 110mm f/4.5 1:1 macro lens etc). I saw one of those B whatever grounding screens on ebay and was too confused by what it was and it was gone fast lol
It’s true that the Hasselblad will likely keep going for longer thanks to the extensive support and mechanical build. Lenses are also more plentiful. As a long term buy a Blad is an excellent way to go. I’ve now got 3 SQA-I bodies and had two of them serviced recently so I’m not going to get caught out if one starts to play up. I’m sure if someone wants to use the system for another 50 years+ it might be hard to get repairs but that won’t affect me 😊
Bronica had two lens series for the SQ's the S and PS; the S series were marginal at best, the PS were much better. I've owned both systems and in my view even the PS lenses can't hold a candle to the Hasselblad Zeiss lenses.
I bought a Bronica ETR-S kit brand new wish I had bought a prism and a speed grip as portraits were a struggle. I should have bought a Hasselblad 500cm like my boss. Much later in life I got given for my 40th birthday a Bronica S2A with a 80mm f2.4 zenzanon, absolutely loved that camera looked like a Hasselblad but unfortunately without leaf shutters.
Very good, accurate and balanced review, as always Steve. I am lucky enough to own both a Hasselblad 503 and a digital Leica. Both are beautifully simple machines, well made and reliable, which suits my "old timer" mentality. I have also owned a Bronica ETRSi and your point on the cable release socket is very valid, much more practical on the Bronica.
Maybe something else to consider when choosing between the 2, the filters . The Hasselblad uses bayonet filters and if I’m not mistaken the Bronica uses screw-on filters which might be more convenient.
The biggest point for me choosing the bronica is the handling. The Hasselblads are just such beautiful cameras I tend to baby them to much in order to not put a scratch on them. That can be really limiting in terms of photography. I want to use a camera and not be scared of damage its value.
I was very careful with my 501CM as any marks would quickly affect the value. Not so with the Bronica which is a workhorse and it’s also easier to mark the all plastic body coverings.
There is an unfortunate thing that happens in many endeavors. Photography is definitely one of them. That unfortunate thing is collectors. (It's not unfortunate for the collectors because it makes them happy.) They pay a boatload of cash for certain nice cameras then they put them in glass cases that they dust every two months. There is nothing wrong with loving something simply for its external beauty but there is a side effect for those who want to use these things as tools. As an example, the Canon 1V is very expensive. The Canon 1N is a fraction of the price. But the difference in capability is miniscule. The 1V has a collector's premium on it. There are a few cameras that have a collector's premium that I bought anyway because I really like the camera. Examples are my Rolleiflex TLR and my Nikon F5 which are somewhat inflated. I did not get the Rolleiflex f2.8 because it has a very large collector's premium or the Nikon F6 which is also a lot more than the F5. I have three Canon 1N HS cameras, but I will probably never buy a Canon 1V. For the same reason, I might buy a Bronica, but a Hassleblad is very unlikely. While I do love my Rolleiflex, it is not my favorite TLR, which is my Mamiya C3. The bellows makes it possible to do special close-up images. I too, appreciate the beauty of a special instrument. But being a cheapskate, I am not willing to pay a lot for them.
I know how you feel, the cost of cameras is in no way directly linked to their usefulness or even quality. The Bronica systems are very capable but come in at less than 25% that of an equivalent Hasselblad and from experience the two are roughly equivalent. Same for overhyped 35mm cameras, you’d be hard pushed to tell the difference between a £100 and £1000 model but some have achieved cult status. When it comes to TLR’s I’d also like Rolleiflex but I doubt the performance would justify the extra cost versus my Autocord.
Film photography is booming, I just checked the website of my film photography gear shop and there were three Hasselblad 500C marked as sold. No more Bronica bodies.
Same for me Henk. When I got the SQA-I 6 years ago I had my pick from the dealers sites. A couple of years later there were none to be found. Wish I’d also kept hold of my Mamiya 645 outfit too 🙁
This must be one of the best “versus” videos I’ve seen on cameras. No “ultimate showdown” based on stats found online, but rather real world experiences that provide plenty of pros and cons to both cameras. The result is practical examples that viewers can easily process and make an informative choice when the time comes. Good job!
Thank you 😊
I bought my Zenza Bronica SQai in 1992 and used it primarily for portraiture work with strobe lights and modifiers. It never failed me on any of my jobs. I even used it for shooting college basketball games. Unfortunately I was the victim of a burglary in April of 1993. I Lost the camera, prizm finder, extra 120 and 220 backs, a polaroid back and two lenses, 80mm f2.8 and 150mm f3.5. I didn't replace it right away. I wish I still had that camera. It really was a great kit. I've blown up images from that camera up to 16x20 and they were SHARP as a TACK!
I've really enjoyed using the SQai Rick, it's easily a match for the 500 series Hasselblads despite the difference in cost.
@@SteveONions I've used the 500 and 501 CM cameras for a few years before I bought the Bronica. I didn't see any difference at all in the quality. However, I enjoyed some of the extra features of the Bronica that the Hassleblad did not give me.
I bought my 500 C/M over four decades ago and it still works fine.
I love my Bronica SQA. My favourite camera in my collection ♥
Back in the Day - The Bronica ETR was a favourite among event/wedding photogs.
Although not quite as relabel or rugged the Bronica is more hi-tech than the Blad.
I had a Blad for a number of years and now I have a ETRSi and I agree with your evaluation.
Thanks for this Steve, your videos are always fantastic. Don't ever stop! :)
I have a Bronica SQ-A with 50, 80 and 150, and watched this video a lot before buying the a Hasselblad 503cx with 50, 80, 150 this summer. After using the Hasselblad for a while I honestly find the Bronica SQ-A to be the better system of the two. The Bronica SQ-A has electronically controlled shutters that are always spot on (whereas the lenses on my Hassy varies...), never jams, has a double exposure function built in, can switch viewfinders without having to take off back, and for me is WAY easier to focus due to the for me way better matte screen on my SQ-A compared to the one I got with my 503cx.
The only thing I can say the Hasselblad is better at is that the shutter sound of the Hasselblad sounds like butter compared to the slightly high pitched and annoying sound of the SQ-A. But really, for me, that's the biggest (and possible only) advantage of the Hasselblad 503cx over the Bronica SQ-A system.
Sorry for the wall of text. This probably isn't of any value to you Steve, but perhaps it might be of help to others considering both system :-)
Glad you tried the Hasselblad Matthias, it is surprising how close they are in real world capabilities. There’s such a difference in price that the Bronica is a really good option for a 6x6 system camera.
Missing using my Hassie as I am still waiting on my house to be finished due to pandemic delays; no running water etc. in my friend's cabin, so not shooting film until I can process it. Great review, and either system will serve one's needs admirably. My 500 C and 80mm were a gift from a dear friend, his father's equipment. I have added a prism finder, 50mm, 150mm, and 250mm to the kit all for around $600 with some patience and scrounging ebay for deals over the last two years. I feel very blessed indeed! Cheers!
Nice outfit Robert and very good prices too. Just about the perfect set of focal lengths for most uses.
Don’t forget Steve, the Bronica was created by Zenzaburo Yoshino as a response to the disappointingly unreliable HASSELBLAD 1000F. I use a Hasselblad 500 series model, a Rolleiflex 3.5f and a Fuji GL690.
I’m late to this video, but I thought you should know that your the reason I bought my Bronica! Went hiking with my metal Mamiya 645 and after the first day I realized I need a lighter camera. Sold it while I was away still and bought an SQ-A in a bundle for $600. Really, really love the camera and the backs. They sure are a little hard to get with the accessories though
Glad you’re getting on well with the Bronica and it sounds like you got a great deal too 👍
Rollei SLX for me - you can use it one handed and left or right handed - magazines are lighter and much smaller too -Rechargeable battery change is on the side of the camera and you can keep them in your pockets which also keeps them warm!!
Sounds ideal Nelson 👍
My 6x6 kit is a Mamiya C330S with a few lenses, 65, 80, 105 and 180. All mechanical and the glass is amazing.
i have c220 $150 estate sale
Very nice outfit Bill.
Excellent balanced review Steve. Well done, happy with my old 500c, and my Rollie TLR 3.5. Both excellent with 120 B&W Film.
Very valid points about both systems. For me personally, it's the Hasselblad. What sold me was the sharpness of the lenses. I can remember the amazement I had when looking at the first roll of film I used in the 500C/80MM C lens back in the day. I've now moved up to the 503CX and all my lenses are now CF and still the same quality that I loved back when I started. I wish they'd come out with some sort of 500 series anniversary film camera...I'm sure it would sell out in no time.
I also loved the lenses and never worried about optimal apertures etc - they were all good. The Bronica is the same apart from the 50mm which is not a good as the Zeiss.
Ffordes have a gold 500 series at the moment
The last two generations of Zenzanon lenses were exceptionally sharp. It's only the earliest lenses they released that had some issues, and even then it was only reserved to a couple focal lengths. Most of the bronica lenses were made in Japan by the same factories that contracted for Zeiss, they were phenomenal once they got past the first generation.
I had an SQ-A with 3 PS lenses, it was so good.. sharp and contrasty lenses, lightweight, flash sync up to 1/500, a perfect camera. Now I switched to GS-1, bought myself a 6x6 and 6x7 backs, great system as well, very universal, little bit bigger and heavier, but not much. I am a huge fan of Bronica cameras and good news is, they still are quite inexpensive compared to other brands delivering same, or usually better image quality. And all those stereotypes about reliability issues are not true at all, those are workhorses.
I’ve never tried a GS-1 but they were definitely a bargain a few years ago. I’m very happy with the quality of Bronica equipment, well made and some thoughtful design features.
I use Bronica SQ +50, 80, 105 mm. The perfect camera for me. Steve, good job.
Steve, When I was in my City College days in San Francisco back in 1977 that I got a Bronica S2A with the 75mm 2.8 Nikkor P, and the Nikkor 105mm Shutter/Lens but with the lens the closest that I got with the 105mm was 2 feet, but at least it sync with all speeds when using flash, as for the 75mm Nikkor in which that was my go to lens at the time when I use it during my Grad School days, as it was my shooting lens to shoot street photo, and also when I took it to Yosemite in the snow as the results were sharp, and contrasty. But it gather inside the Camera Bag as when I look at it that I decided to find more lenses for my baby so I obtain the following: The 50mm 3.5 Nikkor, and the 135mm 3.5 Nikkor, and a Chimney focusing hood also for the Bronica S2A, as I tested both lenses in shooting landscaping, that I found the 50mm was sharper at 3.5 and the 135mm very much sharper than the 105mm as the 105mm was sharp in the center, but soft at the edges. When I got the both lenses that the seller also threw in a extra goodie, a Polaroid back for the S2A, but with what? Fuji kill their FP100, and FP3000, and I pleaded with Polaroid to bring back Peel apart film. Now i am hoping that someone creates a Fuji Instax back for the Bronica, and Hasselblad, and Mamiya & Graflex XL Press cameras.
I’ve heard very good things about the S2A lenses Alex, never used the system myself but intrigued by the options.
I bought my Bronica SQ from Japan with the 80mm and 50mm lens, and a prism view finder. Bought a second film back, 150mm lens, and a waist level. Totally in love with that camera. So much so, I have an S2A on it way. Should be here today or tomorrow. Having a hard time waiting. For the price, I think I'll pick up an ETRS, in some from or other.
Great video. Thanks.
That’s a whole lot of Bronica Shellie - have fun. I’ve always wondered about the earlier models, some excellent lens options there.
Around 2001-2 I was doing a lot of Mountaineering and lugging a C330 around. Popped into Cambrian to buy a used 'Blad' The salesman knew his stuff and held Blads in very high esteem. After a very long discussion, he advised I would be better off with an ETRSi system. He never made a sale that day, but his knowledgeable and honest advice got a future repeat customer. Great vlog Steve, or should that be, a knowledgeable and honest vlog 😃
Cheers
Diz
Thanks Diz, it’s not often you come across someone who’s trying to help you instead of selling you something.
I have a Hasselblad 501/CM. Love it
Very well put together video Steve, and very helpful. Thanks
Thanks Ross.
I just had a ETRSi back broken and repaired. Indeed a week point. Fantastic tools otherwise, these Bronica's!
Lovely video! I enjoy watching and learning from your work. Many thanks.
Thanks Dirk.
Thank you for this great comparison! I almost went with a Bronica after watching your videos, and I was itching to know your opinion on the Hasselblad. I am currently using a 500 C/M from 1980 and very happy with it. All the points you made are absolutely spot on especially the one to do with the cable release interfering with the lenses
Thanks Houmam, looks like I saved you from an unnecessary purchase 🙂
Fantastic comparison Steve. I picked up a Hassleblad about four years ago along with an 80mm, extra back, prism viewfinder and a tele converter. It's a great camera and I think it may be a tad older than I am!
Everyone needs to own a camera older than they are Chris, I’ve got plenty and they make me feel young 😊
For total indulgence in a heavyweight system you can't get past the Rolleiflex SL66. Totally over engineered but way, way better than a Hassy. The best thing tho is the SL66 is relatively unknown, it's expensive enough as it is but the images and capability of the camera are second to none (IMO)... one of the perks shooting the SL66 is when passers by comment 'Is that a Hasselblad?' I genuinely rejoice in replying 'no, it's better..' Great review BTW.
I always liked the idea of the Rollei until a friend of mine bought one and had a lot of problems with it. He was also less impressed with the wideangle lenses so eventually sold it for a Hasselbald. Had it worked out well for him I may have bought one.
I happened to get the Rolleiflex SL66 - A pretty good system with 80mm, 150mm and 250mm lenses just happened across my path while I was just thinking about getting into medium format. I absolutely love it, and the images have been great so far. I've supplemented it with a 50mm lens, and I'll get one or two extra backs and a prism viewfinder when I can afford it.
Sounds like you’ve got yourself a good system Karreth, it’ll be nice to finish it off with the wideangle 👍
About 6 months ago I wanted to get into medium format SLR. I looked and found, of all of them, I could stretch and afford a Bronica SQ. I got one with one film back, a 50mm and a 80mm lens, and the eye level view finder. I paid, like $600. You can see my unboxing video. I have since got a waist level view finder, a 150mm lens, and another film back. I so love that camera and bought a hard case to keep her safe. Her name is Veronica, by the way. Veronica the Bronica. Ya, I got a hell-of-a-lot of camera, for a fraction of the Hasselblad price. It's kind of funny. I shoot Canon "A" series 35mm cameras, and they both take the same battery! Well, I find it funny, anyway.
Great video and thanks.
I’m glad your outfit is taking shape, the lenses and accessories are still quite affordable (for now). 👍
@@SteveONions For now.
I still love your videos. Great again. Thank you for your honest point of view.
I got this weekend a Mamiya 645 with 2 lenses from my wife (for my 2x20th birthday 😉) so I will use that set the next time. (But I have also my beloved 6x6 TLRs)...and the hasselblad is like the Leica out of (financial) range.
Stay safe and go on as good as always 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
The Mamiya 645 is a very good option and I love the compact lenses. They are very robust cameras too and a better camera system for long hikes.
Its not 6x6 and far from lightweight but I would probably go for a Mamiya RB67 or maybe the newer RZ67 today.
Had a RB67 over 10y ago and kinda miss it sometimes.
With you 100%. I shot fashion for catalogues such as Gratton and a bit of Conde Nast back in the day - I had 2 RZ's with 5- or 6 lenses including the might 500 APO - the image quality is far superior to both Bronica which I had 1st and Hass which I had later - the revolving back is a legendary move - however I would say that I also then went slightly nuts and moved up tot he Fuji GX680III however this was bad move - whilst its made of some unearthly lightweight material it is just too big to use handheld which you can just about do with the other three - and even then on a tripod it was unwieldy and then once you start adding lenses into the mix - but I relented all of that now and gone back to Hass H6 100c on digi which it kills me to say is better than any of them - just maybe out of interest - one of my GX680III's is now on permanent display as an unused example with every single lens they produced and every accessory (some experimental which even the modern Fujiists' didn't know they, or I come to that matter, I had) at The House Of Fuji in Covent Garden London upstairs in their Heritage Dept and, just for clarity, I was a Fuji Ambassador for a while - giving Fuji lectures on their circuit.....but.....Hass....... But hey ho If I had to choose between Bron and Hass - I would say Bron is the little known cousin of 6x6 with quirky and adorable features and Hass is the favorite child, solid reliable and dependable whereas I would actually go for the Rollei SLX because it is the sweet little sister of the 6x6 family which be can also be used left or right handed and it is a joyous thing and I wished I still had mine!!!!!!
Stay safe all
RB67 -- the system camera and weight bench all in one! Seriously, it's a system camera beyond anything else. I've got lenses from 50mm to 250mm (though not all of them) and there's at least one longer one available, as well as the 37mm fisheye (which I don't have). I've got three viewfinders. I can shoot 6x7, 6x6 (with a third party roll film holder -- a Graflex 22), 6x4.5, and 35mm Xpan format (including sprockets, if I choose not to crop them off). Spend a little more, and I can put a 2x3 Grafmatic on it and shoot sheet film. Or an Instax back, and get instant prints (or a peel-apart Polaroid back, but that film is down to whatever expired stock you're willing to overpay ten times for). It is hand holdable (I bought the left hand grip with release trigger for that, as well as a good strap), albeit much heavier than either Hasselblad or Bronica (but then it's effectively a 7.5x8 cm SLR). And best of all (at least in my opinion), the only part of the system that needs a battery is the meter in the chimney finder; the rest is 100% mechanical.
I bought an RB when they first came out., used it in the studio for 32 years and it still works great! Got a Pro S from KEH because the price was right. I bought a 500C/M and a bunch of lenses a number of years ago and still reach for the RB.
The Mamiya RB is a great camera, solid and reliable but very heavy, more so than my 4x5 and the biggest reason I sold mine. As a side note I also owned the RZ but found this not to be reliable with a film advance lever that slipped.
Interesting comment in The Ansel Adams Guide, vol I that 6x6 seems like only 1 cm smaller than a 67. But if you want to print 8x10, 11x14 or 16x20, you need to crop 1.5 cm off top and bottom resulting in a 45% smaller negative than 67. Now I develop, scan, print and custom mat so square works for my primary genre, portraiture. But for walkabouts, I carry Steve's recommendation of a tlr, a Yashica mat 124. Super light weight and can be carried all day. For street, I shoot 50 mm in ff 35mm cameras so I get this large neg.
I had both Hasselblad ELM500 and Bronica ETRSi - after few years of use, I sold Hasselblad, because I much more frequently take the Bronica. Hasselblad Zeiss lenses are different, but we can not say obviously better than Bronica - depends on what are you shooting for and what lens you choose. Bronica body is just better to use.
Great comparison Steve, with focus in the areas that matter to photographers. I've been a medium format shooter for a few years now and bought an SQA a few months ago. It's a terrific camera. 6x6 is a joy to shoot and by far my preference now. Keep up the great work with your YT posts. I've enjoyed watching them for quite a while. Cheers
Thanks Matthew, I’m glad you like the videos and find the Bronica fun to shoot with.
I recommend rolleiflex sl66 for 6x6. Brett Weston used one, it has bellows and tilting for focus.
It’s amazing
Thanks a lot! Very clear and fair. In the 70's I could use a Hasseblad for 6 weeks. Being a student and it being summer, so lots of time to go out, I used it a lot. For about 10 days. After the initial bliss, the bulk and weight started to count. Most important, at my level of photography I didn't see much difference in image quality, compared to my Nikon 35mm. I am sure that technically and optically the Hasseblad is the top. But I would have to pay a very high price for an excellence that my skills are too limited for. Hasseblads should be awarded to young promising photographers and bought by people with a fat wallet that carry them, but hardly use them. For medium format, I am very happy with my light and simple Rolleiflex 3.5 F and smaller Bronica ETSRi. For the latter, accessories such as filters are much more affordable.
It’s a fair point Robert and I also enjoy 35mm cameras which can deliver excellent quality. I find the 6x6 system cameras to be perfect when working from a tripod in the landscape but for everyday use a TLR is nicer to carry.
Bronica SQ-Ai !!!!
I had a very similar conversation with myself a couple of years ago and decided to go down the Bronica ETRS road. The main over riding points that swayed my decision was overall weight, the fact I never print larger than 12 X 16 or 11 X 14 paper and the price of equipment, just taking photographs for myself could I justify spending four or five times the amount, more to the point could I afford to and the answer was no to both questions.
Pretty much the same for me Stephen, the results from the cameras are all but indistinguishable.
Great video, I've had Hasselblads for 48 years still have an old 40mm from NE&Co from purchased 30 years ago now its sat around as a paper weight had to replace it a few years ago for a CF FLE.
so i can use it on a X1D with the adapter and the older lenses witch are fantastic with digital.
Sounds like a good option John 👍
great video, one other plus for bronica, they have a shutter lock, which locks ALL release options, the grip, the cable socket, and the button, so whatever configuration you choose, NO need to have the darkslide inserted to stop any in-advertent shutter release in-bag, or while handling it; another plus, the cable socket is on the side, so while using, no fingers can get in front of the lens!; also this means a 'self-timer' clock work release can fit, without jamming fingers into the lens.
My two SQ-Ai bodies will fire on the cable release regardless of the lock button setting. It’s never a problem though as the release is only screwed in when I’m ready to shoot 👍
@@SteveONions good point to be aware of, I just got an ETRSI, and this is the case for that model, was not aware the sq-ai 's were diferent in this way.
I own two Bronica Etrs and Etrsi cameras, and just recently bought batteries for them with the intention to break them out of mothballs. I have had beautiful results with both negative and slide film with these cameras in the past. I will never let them go.
Well worth keeping Mark, they are an appreciating asset.
Easy, if you're a snob, get the Hasselblad. If you only care for getting great pictures, the Bronica does the job perfectly. The Zenzanon PS lenses are fully the equivalent of the Zeiss lenses (this was proven in magazine tests back in the day). The system is more advanced and more ergonomic. The sibling Bronica ETR system is also an amazing camera system, with killer Zenzanon -PE lenses.
I have no quibbles about the Bronica lens lineup apart from the 50mm which isn’t as good as the later Zeiss models. The issue I’m finding is that repairs are more difficult (and expensive) with electronic film cameras.
@@SteveONions a bronica SQ is a simple camera inside. The electronic Seiko shutters on the lenses are simpler than the mechanical Compur shutters on Hassy lenses. Source of this claim: I'm a camera tech.
Perfect video! My eyes glaze over when I see one of those "Which should I buy?" videos. Like you, I sold my Hasselblad a number of years ago to go digital. About three years ago I came across an eBay sale for three ELMs and a 150mm C lens. All for $400US. These things breed behind your back when you are not looking. I now also have a 501CM body, and a full set of T* lenses. One thing, however that I think needs to be addressed. While both the Bronica and the Hasselblad are built like tanks, it comes at a cost. Weight. For those of us that have been north of fifty, and then some, weight becomes more and more an issue. I now have to decide if I'm going to bring along the 250mm, or even the 50mm. If I'm going to be shooting ten feet from the car, it's not an issue. But if I'm going to be walking in for a few hundred yards, my back will let me know. There are two well-known and respected UA-cam landscape photographers who have missed opportunities because their backs would keep them in the house. Both of these people are in their thirties.
So here is my dilemma. I admit that I have a jaundiced view that my Hasselblad is a standard that I judge all other cameras by. But the weight is becoming an issue, as my back keeps reminding me. In an attempt to see if I could beat this weight thing, I bought a Leica R4s ($80 plus $180 for a CLA). The camera is an absolute joy to use. However, maybe I'm just an impatient soul and find that 36 exposures is just too long to wait for processing. Or do I go for a 4x5 Intrepid with a Schneider 150mm, with all that entails? Inquiring minds want to know.
Jeff
I’m in a similar position Jeff, love the 6x6 SLR’s but it’s my heaviest outfit by some way. It’s an age thing for me too although even 10 years ago I questioned taking the Blad too far up hills. I’m considering another (3rd time round) Mamiya 645 outfit due to the lenses being so small and light.
The Intrepid is very light and easy to carry a long way but the UK weather makes it impractical 75%’of the time.
I’m also keen on 35mm and find large darkroom prints have a charm all of their own. I’ve got a few top both primes for the Nikon’s and with a bit of effort 16”x20” prints can be very smooth.
PS - if you find an answer to the quality v weight issue then let me know (and don’t say Mamiya 6 with the 3 lenses - I can’t afford it 🙁).
@@SteveONions Hi Steve! It's not fun getting old. I've found a wonderful park about two miles from my house. 3,200 acres of formally logged 100 years ago. The land is still owned by a family, but they have made most of the land open to the public with the county undertaking the trail maintenance. It's classic Pacific Northwest temperate rain forest. Next Sunday promises good weather. There are five rolls of Velvia and two of Delta 100 just wanting to go outside and play. So, I'll leave out the 250mm and 50mm and see how it goes. I will need to go in for a back tuneup once elective surgery returns this Spring. In the meantime, It's game on.
I will keep an eye out for the noble combination, as you suggest. It would be nice though to revisit 35mm 20 exposure rolls (remember those?). In the meantime, maybe some of our fellow photographers might have some suggestions about weight vs. quality.
Great job!!! The mamiya c tlr system is also super under rated and still relatively cheap!!!
Please stop talking about these or the prices will spike.... KEEP THE SECRET!
Sorry 🙄
I like very much the Bronica. But..In landscape the important is sharpness, but in portraits it's different. The Planar is a masterpiece and I cannot live without it. I would like the Zeiss lenses on the Bronica Camera for the electronic shutter, the priority mode, etc. etc.
Good point. I recall that Ansel Adams switched to a Hasselblad 2000 to give him more accurate (and consistent) shutter speeds.
A great video Steve. I absolutely loved the Hasselblad 500CM with its amazing resolving power, but felt it somewhat cumbesome & restricting when used in such a large underwater housing along with being limited to a 6x6 format 120 - 12 exposure film back. I was so use to COMEX giving me 35mm cameras and housings with 36 exposure film for their offshore CVI and UVI Mag particle inspection photography.
Great video Steve, as usual. I concur with you on the 50mm FLE lens on the Hasselblad system. It's a wonderful lens. I do find the Acute Matte-D screen that while extremely bright, it's not very contrasty - it's difficult to tell the in and out of focus transitions. I replaced mine with a custom Maxwell screen, which is terrific.
I did like the Acute screen Eder but Maxwell screens and also top notch.
I entirely agree with you on your point about Hasselblad. I’ve seen grown men approach me to ask permission just to hold the darn thing. And yes, women have approached me too.
That’s the kind of “good will” every company dreams of.
But the hype outweighs the performance. The Japanese makers really kept pace with the Europeans in this. And I’m typical Japanese fashion, their penchant for modesty kept them from aggressively marketing their cameras as prestige marvels of engineering.
The Japanese market is somewhat strange to Western minds too. A certain brand can both offer a very basic, hoi polloi line of watch for $50, but also have a luxury line that sells for a new sub-compact car. Think Seiko. Here in the West, the brand IS the quality-or, that’s the theory in the public’s mind. In fact, it’s supposed to be the other way around.
That’s why today, if you buy anything modern with the Hasselblad name on it, you do so at your own risk. For me, I’ll stick to my mid 60-70s Pentax’s and Takumar lenses. For the money, they’re build quality and performance are tough to beat. And I own Hasselblad and Rolleiflex. Both of those grace my bookshelf.
It’s very true, the aura that surrounds some brands is out of all proportion to their actual design and usefulness. I find Japanese cameras better designed and more efficient.
Picked up a Mamiya RB67 "kit" of several lens and a body for about $400. It was a beast but the rotating 6x7 back made it worth every penny. Have owned Leica, 'Blad, and even a Bronica. Always regretted selling them.
I know what you mean Rob, wish I’d kept hold of the Blad outfit 🙁
Hi Steve. I don’t know much about Bronica but I recently inherited a Hasselblad 203FE with a Zeiss 80mm f2.8 planar lens. Never owned or operated one of these type of cameras before and I am loving the challenge. The equipment is a joy to own, so well made and fascinating to learn about. I think I would like to do a hybrid approach shooting in B&W, process at home in a Jobo tank then scan and print with my Epson gear. Need to get a good spot meter like yours. My other pride and joy is a Leica M10-P which I love also even though it is digital. Cheers
Hope you enjoy the journey Rob, there an endless amount to discover and that’s part of the fun. Great gear setup too 👍
Super interesting. I have a full Bronica kit and always wondered what I was missing out on. The bronica is also relatively light, good for long hikes and its easily replaced if damaged.
Great content Steve, have the Rolleiflex Sl66, which i like. The lens can be turned back to front for macro photography which is another unique feature as well as the built in lens tilt.
That’s another good point in favour of the Rollei Carl 👍
Spot on review!
Nice comparison. I've never owned or used the Bronica SQA, but I do have a 503CW. I only ever shoot with the prism finder, so have no issues with unnecessary film back removal. It's a great camera and a pleasure to use as you know, but if I was forced to choose between it or my Mamiya 6 and its 3 perfect lenses, it would be the Mamiya!
I’m the same Mike, the Mamiya 6 would be my preferred choice when going on long hikes.
value very much a deciding factor. i’m only a hobbyist but am looking 4ward 2 making impactful hi-res arty images. gr8 tutorial thx👍.
Hope it works well for you Jock 👍
I've never been interested in a 6x6cm SLR. However, if I were to acquire one, it would be a Rollei SL66Em for its focal plane shutter and best lenses.
I own a Bronica EC which predates the SQA and has a focal plane shutter a opposed to the leaf shutter in the 501 and SQA. Only cost me 250 quid to import it with a 75mm nikkor (including royal mail's fee). Its in need of a service, but otherwise it's in excellent condition for 50 years old. The lenses for the s2/EC are very reasonably priced and the S2A is fully mechanical (and reliable) so would be my choice should my EC die.
IRC the original Bronica was born out a love for Hasselblad and it's designers desire to perfect the 'blad.
I’ve often thought about the earlier models, some of the lenses look very nice.
Excellent review for my decision making… I have the opportunity between the SQAi and the GS1… bc of funds I’m way out of reach for the hassleblad as you gave mention… Cheers 👍
Glad you found it useful.
I had the same - more people ask "is that a Hasselblad" with a Bronica than with a Hasselblad :)
🙂
Ouch, selling your Hassey... but the Bronica is no slouch in the hands of an artist. Really enjoyed the analysis Steve and doubt you’d ever get better images. Old cliche applies again, it’s the photographer not the equipment.
Very true Dan, very true (I’d settle for a Holga if the light was great).
Bronica SQ-A I love it
I got my Bronica (brand new/ old stock) two years ago for the price normally cost 40 years old Hasselblad . It wasn’t “trendy “ choice but I’m happy with it 🙂
Good buy John 👍
I've been shooting with a 6x6 back on my RB67. The Mamiya Sekor lenses are superb, and the camera is a joy to use. It's my poor-man's Bronica/Hasselblad. The tradeoff is that it's enormous and weighs about 600 lbs.
And to be fair I got lucky enough to inherit mine. RBs and RZs were really cheap there for a while, but not so much anymore.
They were almost gving them away 10 years ago Andrew, wish I'd picked up a few more film cameras back then (and not sold the ones I already had!).
“You fee 10 feet tall when shooting one” the exact same can be said for shooting a rolleiflex. There is nothing like shooting classic cameras! People are fascinated by them, and you feel like a celebrity shooting one. I’m often in the middle of Manhattan shooting, and I nearly draw a crowd when I pull out the Rollei! Wish I had known that when I was single! 😂😂😂
Same as borrowing a dog just to walk round the park 😊
You stole my scam! 😂😂
Hi Steve, this is a serious and sincere video comparing those two cameras, from a real user point of view.
Some time ago, I was in the market for a 6x6 coming from a Rolleiflex T, but I've foud that while the Bronica's seems well known and maintained in the UK, it was not so available in continental Europe and none of the usual camera repair and service shops offer service for Bronica's ; here the Hasselblad is much more common (but not cheaper) and you can find very reputable shops to maintain or repair. So I went for the Blad 501CM and have been very happy since. Most of the criticism you make about the Blad are true, indeed, but there are some tricks ; for example, I have found an U-shaped adapter for the cable release on the Blad that makes it easier to deal with.
Thanks Bernard. There’s no doubt that the Hasselblad’s will be easier to fix in the years ahead which is why I now have three SQA-I bodies 😊. I like the idea of your cable release adapter.
I find the viewfinder in my Bronica S2A to be brighter than in a 500C/M.
And I love how it sounds like something broke when you wind a new frame. And how you have viewfinder whether it's wound or not. And how it's a japanified way of saying "brownie cam".
But I miss mirror lockup.
I'd like an SQA.
The S2a is intriguing, some great lens options for it.
I worked in studio with a pro color lab attached to it back in the late 70s early 80s. We shot our stuff with Hasselblads, but would print for other pros who used Bronicas (amongst other camera brands). I have to say that there was a noticeable difference in the print quality from these 2 cameras. The Bronicas could not match Hasselblads for print quality once you started printing to 20x16” and larger. But then, the Hasselblads were much more expensive, you get what you pay for. Interesting vid though, thank you.
Thanks for the insight David, nothing beats real world experience. I’ve not done too many big enlargements from either camera so haven’t got the ability to compare directly. I think a lot of the differences will be masked if using digital processing these days, less so with the darkroom obviously.
With the Hasselblad you really have to get the top-tier lenses to get your value for the extra money. Back in the day I could only afford the 4/50 mm CT* and always had to stop it down to f11 to get sharp corners as its focal plane isnt flat enough. On the long end the 5.6/250mm CT* wasn't the highest resolving one could wish for and really not much to write home about. The system gave me good service but In the end I sold it after I had two A12 magazines lock up on me when on location. They had recently been serviced by a recommended repairer. In 15 years about every part of my Hassi-Kit needed service and this was one problem too much for me. In todays market where prices for Hasselblad have again risen to next to absurd levels, especially for the really good lenses (40 FLE, 50 FLE, 60, 100, 120, 180. 250 SA is still a bit of a sleeper) and bodies I would not put my money there again unless I wanted the prestige instead of a photographic tool.
I also found the 250mm to be quite an average performer and preferred to use a x2 converter on my 150mm. The 50mm CF/ FLE was excellent and better than the equivalent Bronica.
I am a university student so cost is the defining factor for me, which is why I went for a Bronica system. The backs are a bit of a pain (you are really lucky to never have had problems with them!) but I am in love with it, it was the cheapest option but it definitely doesn't *feel* like a cheap option ;)
I agree, it’s seen as the cheap option but is of comparable quality - the name is what keeps the prices down.
As an owner of Hasselblad one thing to mention. With the lenses you need special filters if you use ones or look for dome sort of adapters. Not a big deal, but at time it bothers me.
Good point Alexander.
Hasselblads frighten me. When you press the shutter button, the camera has to: close the shutter, lift the mirror, open the barn doors, close the diaphragm to the selected f stop, and activate the shutter. When you wind, the the actions include advancing the film, closing the barn doors, dropping the mirror, opening the diaphragm and cocking/reopening the shutter. All done with gears, levers, cams, and springs. Given wear, hardened lubricants and general abuse, it’s a wonder that they work. A testament to the craftsmanship and materials selection of the makers.
Put like that it is a wonder that they ever work James! They obviously refined the mechanism over the years after a bad start with the 1600F and later 1000F, both having issues.
I'm a Bronica man and have been since 1983, when I started using an ETRS professionally. I'll be honest: I've never encountered the faults you're outlining. Not ever. Any problems I had were user related - like not making sure the backs were properly secured.
The P Series wide angles corrected the problems with the wide angles. They're just not there any more.
I've used a 'Blad and I couldn't really understand what the fuss was about. I think it's true that - at the time - the 'Blad lenses were probably better but Zenzanon caught them up and the differences between the two brands because almost non existent.
I'm currently suffering with a Mamiya RB67. Great camera but just too complicated to be enjoyable. I might as well be using 5x4, which I don't really want to do. So I'm going back to Bronica but this time it's going to be an SQ-A or SQ-B.
I think whatever you said about the Hasselblad, the really telling thing was that you said you're staying with the Bronica and I don't blame you.
Glad to see you returning to the fold 👍
I prefer a rectangular format and so landed on a Mamiya M645 1000s and a couple lenses. For me it was a choice between the Mamiya and a Bronica Etrsi. This model Bronica has every feature of the Mamiya plus interchangeable backs. I don't need the interchangeable back and prefered the fit and finish of the Mamiya. Also, I am stoked with the Mamiya 55mm 2.8 which is the lens that lives on my camera 95 percent of the time. I am sure i would have loved the Bronica had i opted for it. It's all largely subjective. Any of these cameras will give professional quality results and any should prove reliable. Decide first whether you like square or rectangular. Then look at features and lenses. And cost.
I do like the 4:3 aspect ratio and owned a number of Mamiya 645’s over the years. If they weren’t so expensive I’d get another.
Team Bronica. But I prefer the S2a, all manual, built like a tank and very lovely lenses. :) And the shutter sound easily establishes my dominance over any other photographer...
I’d like to try an S2a one day Sandra, the lenses are particularly appealing.
Great review, Steve. Well done. All the points you made are well thought out and really relevant. You just added me as a subscriber. Thanks!
Thanks Joe.
Bought my Hasselblad around 15yrs ago. Reasons: 1. Zeiss lenses 2. Availability of 2nd hand accessories and parts 3. Widespread repair knowledge & easy to fix by nearly every camera repair shop
It’s true that support for the Hasselblad will go on for a long time and repairers are very familiar with the cameras. To offset any problems with the Bronica I now have three SQA-I bodies, two recently fully serviced. They are still quite cheap, I got one without focus screen and a couple of the knobs for just £50 last year.
Nice comparison Steve. I agree the Bronic is an excellent choice and I can't wait to take it out again. I've been in training and can now lift the body and a two lens kit. I haven't risked trying to pick up the 250mm lens though.
Take it steady and build up to the 250mm Robin, don’t put your back out and miss getting out shooting this Spring 😀
Thanks for humorous comment. Had a bad day today. Left my fly rod on the roof of my van. Needed some cheering up.
Agree with all you've said. I sold my 500CM to buy a Leica, and that I didn't quite like it for 6x6 as much as my Rolleiflex. But deciding to buy another interchangeable lens 6x6 I chose Bronica instead and don't regret it. The body handles very nicely and the lenses are great.
Same experience here Steve 👍
Great review! These are all older cameras. The best for the budget is Bronica! Bronica SQ-A is more than capable and never had an issue with mine. I think the major deciding factor between Hasselblad and Bronica is the price. If someone has the money to spend on a good Hasselblad, it’s the best choice.
Very true 🙂
Hasselblad users, if you know, you know. Looking forward to your future videos with it Steve...:)
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I bought Bronica SQ one week ago. I really like it but I had some problems. It was bought in 1981 and material that blocks the light from bouncing inside of the body has started to deteriorate. I scraped that stuff off since the mirror was always dusty from that stuff and even some of that was finding it's way to the film and film back. Now I need to stick some thin light seal foam and that will be that. There was another problem. Mirror was misaligned and the focus was way off (especially the back focus) but I managed to fix that (still have to do few tests).
I was surprised that there was no info about that on the internet. I should make a post about it on dpreview forum about some day.
Btw. I saw some listings on ebay for Bronica SQ that have that same rotten insides problem and it was labelled as mint ! If you see it's cracked that means it has that problem !
You probably got one of the first models introduced and I’m not surprised the seals have gone. I have a couple of spare bodies just in case of a mishap on a trip.
@@SteveONions I will buy at least one more body :)
Love the videos. Can you do a video about what decision goes into which size format to use (large/medium/35mm etc.)? Why are larger formats better and is it worth it? Or why medium format is better than 35mm for example?
Oooh, tricky one. Even I’m not sure why I chose a particular format most times. If it’s a long walk I go with the lightest camera, other than that it depends how I’m feeling.
I had a Bronica 6 x 4.5 cm with a grip in the 70's. A really nice camera to handle and with a perfect lens. I sold it, when I needed the money for a bench camera, Toyo 4 x 5 inch. A lot of fun too. Later I bought another identical Bronica, both where new, but this second lens never turned out as sharp as the first, though I didn't take the time to compare with earlier negatives. Maybe there could have been a slight variation in the production. Anyway a very handy and well functioning camera.
I have to add, Steve, that if one or two Hasselblad 500C Moon model are resting on the Moon, they have been dropped from a satellite. I have studied the photographs and footage delivered from NASA through a couple of decades, and I now know for sure, that if the Apollo astronauts ever set their feet on the Moon, it was not what was photographed and filmed. All images, video and TV was produced on Earth.
There are at least 10 essential discrepancies to support my view, but for a photographer it is interesting that with a spy satellite program carried out in the mid 60's in US a complicated pressure chamber had to be build to keep the emulsion from boiling, and this was in inner space. So, the film in a Hasselblad on the Moon, and those cameras were without any pressure related modifications, would be exposed to a greater vacuum than the film in the spy satellite, and no "iconic" images would ever have returned.
'greater vacuum'??? 😂
:facepalm:
@@alanpods______8260 Yes, my friend, have you studied the difference? Maybe you want me to say "lower pressure" on the Moon than in LEO, but actually it's grades of vacuum. Absolute vacuum doesn't exist.
I’m not going there (literally) 😊
@@SteveONions I understand, Steve. I just can't help myself when I see the dogmas aired, even when people do it as a part of "common knowledge". I love the truth.
My opinion: Bronica and Hasselblad are like Nissan and Jaguar cars. If you want a reliable, economical car, Bronica, and if you want status, Hasselblad.
The status thing for me works as a negative. Like having a Rolex, really off putting.
@@g-r-a-e-m-e- It's the same for me.
Wrong comparison, the Bronica are like a Lada and the Hasselblad like a Bentley ! I will chose Hasselblad every single time.
Ultimately you only was in discussion ... so definitely we will obey you ... thank you so much...
That’s the sort of discussion I like Vijay, no arguments and everyone in agreement 😀
Something to consider is what conditions you are going to use the camera in. I used to own a Mamiya 645 with a range of lenses. After a few years living in the tropics, ALL my lenses had turned into expensive paper weights. All the focus rings were stuck, and there was fungus on the lens ellements. I knew someone with a Mamiya RZ 67. Same story. Also the camera body had stopped working. For 35 mm I used a Minolta, and there were zero problems. Everything was in perfect working order after many years. The Minolta lineup was actually older than my Mamiya, but the build quality was far superior. Unfortunately, you do not see the difference when you buy the camera and lenses. It's only after years of hot and humid climate that the difference shows itself. In this respect I would trust the Hasselblad more than the Bronica.
Interesting findings Rob and it shows the importance of choosing a camera to suit the climate you shoot in.
Hi Steve, thank you for the objective and subjective evaluation of the two systems. I think it will lead to controversy to some but I find really well done and useful. Good light!
Thanks Daniel 🙂
Step 1. Like this video
Step 2. Close UA-cam
Step 3. Open eBay
Step 4. Think up credible explanation for the wife as to why you’re buying a Hasselblad
Step 5. Buy nothing, close eBay and cry
Step 5. Divorce or buy her a new car.
And repeat the cycle again and again 😊
@@SteveONions LOL. How very true.
I have a Bronica S2a with the Nikkor 85mm f/2.8. I'm very, very happy with the image quality. I also have an RB67, which also has fantastic image quality. Both are certainly better cameras than I am a photographer!
Good point Daniel 👍
I had this exact same thought process back in 2011, the main thing that swung it for me towards the Bronica SQ system was the price of the lenses. I got 50mm S, 80mm PS and 150mm PS for £350 total, the hassy lenses were ridiculously expensive in comparison, some more than i paid for my whole system kit.
2011 was a great time to buy - I saw a mint 5 lens SQA outfit with 3 backs, 2 finders and extension tubes sell for under £600 😮
Steve:
Have missed your videos, I love film shooting too but getting anything developed is difficult where I am. I've got bricks of 6x6 for my 75mm 3.5 Rollei TLR Tessar camera. truly would love to shoot on more flexible system. Still love my magic film images from a Vietnam trip. Want to life rest of life there. Nice video Steve, thanks !!
Thanks Chris and I hope you get the chance to shoot some of those rolls soon 👍
Great video and explanation. I used to own a Bronica ETRS in the early 80s. It was a great camera. I had all the lenses, metering prism, film backs, grip, etc, etc. In the early 90s at a moment of madness, I sold all my medium format gear, large format view camera and two lenses, a Mamiya C330 TLR with full array of lenses and accessories, and some other stuff to a dealer for a song. To date I regret it. Yes I do own a couple of Hasselblads and a few lenses, but the Bronica is not far behind. The lenses are very very good. They are also smaller and lighter than their Hasselblad equivalents, have you seen the 40mm for Hasselblad? I have a couple of Beatie screens and an Acute Matte. The Acute Matte screen was actually manufactured by Minolta for Hasselblad. The original Hasselblad screen is pants BTW. Many thanks for the video.
That’s great information and I bet you’re kicking yourself about selling all that gear. I didn’t realise that Minolta made the Acute matte either!
@@SteveONions Yes I still do Steve, come to remember , even the view camera, a Toyo View 45 had a beatie screen. I have come to the conclusion, in my old age, that I am not exactly the smartest creature on two legs.
Thanks for covering the Bronica. I picked up a Mamiya RZ67 though I was contemplating a Bronica. I went with the RZ67 because of the aspect ratio and masking and wanted to do some studio fashion theme, ... Taking it in the field is a nuisance of course and I just don't do it..
The Mamiya is a lovely camera and I do like the aspect ratio, not so sure about lugging it up hills 😀
Lovely video as always!
Not going to lie, your videos were a big part of why I bought a Bronica Sq-A and have uhh subsequently sunk a lot of money into the system and while I have only been able to do like city walks with it, I really enjoy using it! I just need to actually start taking good photos with it but that's on me lol
I think one more advantage Hasselblad has is that the company still exists, so I assume service is more readily available (while for Bronica you have to rely on finding a good camera repair person). I think there is also still compatibility between old Blad accessories and the new cameras too?
And while I hadn't checked before, looking at it now, the Hasselblad lineup of lenses is really long and extensive. There are a few hidden gems in the Bronica lineup though too but given their lower production, they can be hard to find or read about even (e.g. there's a 35mm fisheye, a 110mm f/4.5 1:1 macro lens etc). I saw one of those B whatever grounding screens on ebay and was too confused by what it was and it was gone fast lol
It’s true that the Hasselblad will likely keep going for longer thanks to the extensive support and mechanical build. Lenses are also more plentiful. As a long term buy a Blad is an excellent way to go.
I’ve now got 3 SQA-I bodies and had two of them serviced recently so I’m not going to get caught out if one starts to play up. I’m sure if someone wants to use the system for another 50 years+ it might be hard to get repairs but that won’t affect me 😊
Bronica had two lens series for the SQ's the S and PS; the S series were marginal at best, the PS were much better. I've owned both systems and in my view even the PS lenses can't hold a candle to the Hasselblad Zeiss lenses.
I’ve not found that Jim, my S and PS are extremely close and the Zeiss models were comparable.
I bought a Bronica ETR-S kit brand new wish I had bought a prism and a speed grip as portraits were a struggle. I should have bought a Hasselblad 500cm like my boss.
Much later in life I got given for my 40th birthday a Bronica S2A with a 80mm f2.4 zenzanon, absolutely loved that camera looked like a Hasselblad but unfortunately without leaf shutters.
I’ve never used an S2A Marc but I believe the lenses were excellent.
Very good, accurate and balanced review, as always Steve. I am lucky enough to own both a Hasselblad 503 and a digital Leica. Both are beautifully simple machines, well made and reliable, which suits my "old timer" mentality. I have also owned a Bronica ETRSi and your point on the cable release socket is very valid, much more practical on the Bronica.
Nice cameras Paul, I’m jealous 🙂
Maybe something else to consider when choosing between the 2, the filters .
The Hasselblad uses bayonet filters and if I’m not mistaken the Bronica uses screw-on filters which might be more convenient.
The Hasselblad do use a bayonet mount but also have screw threads. I liked the quality of Blad lens hoods but they aren’t cheap.
The biggest point for me choosing the bronica is the handling. The Hasselblads are just such beautiful cameras I tend to baby them to much in order to not put a scratch on them. That can be really limiting in terms of photography. I want to use a camera and not be scared of damage its value.
I was very careful with my 501CM as any marks would quickly affect the value. Not so with the Bronica which is a workhorse and it’s also easier to mark the all plastic body coverings.
Another excellent video. Thanks.
I'm an RB67 shooter. I love it and hate it!
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There is an unfortunate thing that happens in many endeavors. Photography is definitely one of them. That unfortunate thing is collectors. (It's not unfortunate for the collectors because it makes them happy.) They pay a boatload of cash for certain nice cameras then they put them in glass cases that they dust every two months. There is nothing wrong with loving something simply for its external beauty but there is a side effect for those who want to use these things as tools. As an example, the Canon 1V is very expensive. The Canon 1N is a fraction of the price. But the difference in capability is miniscule. The 1V has a collector's premium on it. There are a few cameras that have a collector's premium that I bought anyway because I really like the camera. Examples are my Rolleiflex TLR and my Nikon F5 which are somewhat inflated. I did not get the Rolleiflex f2.8 because it has a very large collector's premium or the Nikon F6 which is also a lot more than the F5. I have three Canon 1N HS cameras, but I will probably never buy a Canon 1V. For the same reason, I might buy a Bronica, but a Hassleblad is very unlikely. While I do love my Rolleiflex, it is not my favorite TLR, which is my Mamiya C3. The bellows makes it possible to do special close-up images. I too, appreciate the beauty of a special instrument. But being a cheapskate, I am not willing to pay a lot for them.
I know how you feel, the cost of cameras is in no way directly linked to their usefulness or even quality. The Bronica systems are very capable but come in at less than 25% that of an equivalent Hasselblad and from experience the two are roughly equivalent. Same for overhyped 35mm cameras, you’d be hard pushed to tell the difference between a £100 and £1000 model but some have achieved cult status.
When it comes to TLR’s I’d also like Rolleiflex but I doubt the performance would justify the extra cost versus my Autocord.
Great comparison Steve! I’ve been thinking about getting a medium format camera to shoot with on my channel and this was very informational
Glad you found it useful 🙂
Film photography is booming, I just checked the website of my film photography gear shop and there were three Hasselblad 500C marked as sold. No more Bronica bodies.
Same for me Henk. When I got the SQA-I 6 years ago I had my pick from the dealers sites. A couple of years later there were none to be found. Wish I’d also kept hold of my Mamiya 645 outfit too 🙁