It’s really fantastic to have someone like this who is among the best woodworking product reviewers. Yet he isn’t tied to the “most expensive name brand tools are always best.” approach. Instead he is very honest about the strengths and weaknesses of whatever he’s reviewing and understands that there are some hidden treasures among the Chinese made stuff. Are they knockoffs? Yes to a large degree but some of these companies are pretty good at making improvements. Just love this guys approach and attitude.
couldnt agree more. Very helpful Dennis, and having someone who's undoubtedly every bit as conscientious about their tools and tool choices as i am is such a time (and regret) saver. Kudos Sir! ps i believe that you are making a real difference in the standard of quality of whats being manufactured and offered in our industry now as well. keep up the good work, youre helping us all be capable of better,,, the folks that use them, as well as the ones who make them.
Hi Dennis, thanks for the 3-way comparo. I had bought a jig which at first I thought was the same one as the plain Aluminium item, but mine was a so-called self-centering jig, that relied on a left/right threaded screw, but which was about 1mm off on the centring. It's a nice paperweight... I did find a no-name version of the DrillPro and I am very pleased with it
Thank you for sharing your review of these doweling jigs. They each have a a good use in certain situations. Stay warm, safe, happy and healthy. From Henrico County Virginia
Thank you for comparing the DRILLPRO with the ENJOYWOOD. This allowed me to purchase the best drilling jig which is, in my opinion, the DrillPro found at $74 with the carrying case included. Thank you so much.
I'm thinking of buying the Drillpro and your video is very helpful. And for practical reasons, I think replacing some of the annoying screws with large enough hand-twist screws might make it easier to do jobs that require constant setup changes (such as adding shelves)
Great to see you back in good health! I was hesitating between the drill pro and Wnew in my last order and I couldn’t make up my mind. Seems this video came at just the right time!
Great video and helped me choose the drill pro. I’ve now built a few workshop cabinets and the drill pro jig was easy once you figure out how to remember clamp orientation for face to end joints.
Thanks Dennis. I have been looking at the DrillPro doweling jig and very glad you did a review on it. The other one is a direct copy of the dowelmax Which is a lot more expensive. The DrillPro for me. 👍
I'd recommend testing the Cam-A-Line doweling jig from Woodpeckers. If you only need one side, say ¼" dowels, it's less than $140. The advantage it has over all these other jigs is the stop system, which enables you to move the stop from one side to the other while keeping the exact distance from the edge intact. All other stop systems I've seen just have an uncalibrated rod in a long hole with a set screw, so moving the stop from left to right (needed to cut both pieces of a joint) means measuring and restting the distance by hand.
Excellent review as always. What always stands is how objective these reviews are - I know I'm getting good advice. So many other reviewers' views appear to be biased when they receive a product for free. It's unfortunate that in South Africa, the shipping costs seem to be around double the price of the products themeselves.
I recently came across you channel and have just subscribed. The way you present information if extremely detailed and helpful 👍 I thought I would just post some info regarding the Drillpro jig that could possibly be useful. To simplify the multi Allen key situation. I have made knobs for the fence, it makes the removal much faster and more fluid, for me the most used adjustment. As I mainly use 8mm dowels I have 3 drill bits with stops set up for the 3 different depths needed for end and face connection. This cuts it down to zero or 2 if you need to use the rails or change bushings for 6/10mm or central bushing for cam lock fasteners I have was considering re tapping the threads on the jig end of the rails in the bushing holder to make it 1 but it’s too close the edge.
I have something similar to the Drill Pro and I've been using it extensively in the past. As you mentioned it can work quite okay for simple uses but there're a ton of drawbacks and traps for young players: Even though it seems that side from which to clamp doesn't matter, it does, because the material thickness is never equal; it is crucial to pick and mark the reference sides or you will end up in trouble (the Wnew jig and any joiner machine actually urge or even force you to make that decision and mark it). Accuracy is crucial for round dowels but the Drillpro only has those flimsy but big dents on the sides which makes it hard to properly align it to a line drawn on a work piece and and additional peeve of mine is that there's no proper center marking which would allow it to use as a tool to put arbitrart orthogonal holes into any workpiece. The edge lineup with the workpiece also has to be done by hand and feel and of course is another source of problematic inaccuracies. I totally agree with your assessment of the different screws which is super annoying. If I were to get a new dowel jig or am asked for a recommendation I would definitely recommend the Wnew kind since it forces the user to incorporate best practise right from the start rather than being "easy" but involving a lot of trial and error and has a lot of accuracy features like the center needles, bigger plate and edge locating pin which make life so much easier when dealing with dowels, plus no darn hex screws! However I have a feeling that after finally having treated myself to a biscuit joiner, most of my round dowel uses in the future will be limited to decorative purposes; it's just so much faster, easier, precise and versatile to use compared to round dowels; sure the machine costs 230 Euro rather than 80 or 50 Euro, but if I include just the cost of all my doweling jigs acquired over the years I'm pretty certain it ends up in the same ballpark, not even including the (sometimes costly) messups or wasted time with dowels...
I got two drill pro's from banggood and a am very satisfied. With two pieces all disadvantages are gone since you do not have to disassemble and reassemble the jig for the counterpart. Very easy to use, very accurate and you get very fast a preceised result. The only think that is missing is that for the drill pro you do not get a drill template for 5mm holes.
I think that you didn’t mention that the Drillpro has a 1 mm magnetic shim which allows you to adjust it in 1 mm steps. For example, setting it on 10 mm and adding the shim will give you holes at 9 mm depth.
I have the Jessum doweling jig. It is awesome. I bought the basic kit with just the ⅜ inch (~10mm) size. Here in the US you can pick them up for less than $100 during sales and the other dowel drill guides can be bought separately. This Drillpro guide isn't as robust but does seem more versatile.
Best of both worlds by combining Drill Pro and the Wnew's Multi Row Puncher? Same optimized workflow (clamping equally possible, no disassembly-assembly-hassle due to Multi Row Puncher) plus the added flexibility/skills of the Drill Pro? Or does the Wnew harmonize in an automatic way with "its" Multi Row Puncher in a way that doesn't work for the Drill Pro?
Just found your channel and subbed immediately. Fantastic in depth and detailed video. Real review and comparison. Also you're thinking in mm not inches so much better for UK audience (I get fed up with "3/16th of a 32nd of an inch" nonsense from the US). Great stuff mate. Namaste x
You were disappointed with the aluminium dowel jig because it is a very poor copy of the @Dowelmax doweling jig. The Dowelmax is by far the best doweling jig available and I’ve been using it for many years. The build quality and accuracy of genuine Dowelmax is unmatched and worth every dollar.
I agree in principle, but for those of us who have to import a Dowelmax, it changes the math. A 10mm Dowelmax set with the 6mm option shipped to the UK is almost the same price overall as a Domino 500. I bought the Wnew pair delivered for less than a quarter of the price. I'm more than happy with the price:performance. Thank you Dennis for your excellent, informative videos!
The thing is, to get in Italy with the 45 miter plate and two size bushes, if you factor in import fees you look at something around 600 € or more, while I can source a domino 500 with systeiner at a lick under 1000€. What would you do? I have to buy one or the other 😅
Hi Dennis! The tool you had in the middle of the lineup that was not recommended - is the first one I bought. I will say that I was disappointed by it because I was not able to get the accuracy with it and quite frankly, I had difficulty with setup and understanding it's design concept. That being said, I now have the type that has a threaded bolt in the middle that when screwed to the wood automatically brings in both sides evenly to center it to the wood. Seems to work quite well. I don't have to have a math degree of and engineering degree to use it. Just plain and simple. I enjoyed your video as always! I really like the Dutch way you show! It is the very best!
I bought this after watching your review, and it works well. I wish they would offer an add-on attachment for doweling visible dowels for added strength at 45 degrees across mitered joint boxes. Just a thought for Bangood.
Hi Dennis & community, thank you for this good comparison. It's more in - depth and profound than many other. I searched for 1 hour now about the hole distance between the dowels. I was hoping it is compatible with the 32mm system. Do you know it? cheers, Achim
Thanks once again for these reviews. I'm surprised that you do not mention/show how to adjust the depth of the drill. It seems to me that it is the weak point of the Wven jig.
What is difference between Veiko, Drillpro and Enjoywood brands ? Now ENJOYWOOD brand dowelling Jig is available but it looks the same as DrillPro. Sometimes the same product under different names can cost 2x as much.
The Drill Pro does appear to be a very well made product. The reason I am usually leery about purchasing these products is that they are knock offs of great tools made by very reputable sellers. For example the jig you are talking about at 9:12 is a knock off of the excellent Dowelmax from Canada. In fact I thought it was the Dowelmax, but when you started to say that the fit and finish wasn't that good I knew it couldn't be the Dowelmax jig. The tolerances on the Dowelmax are pretty demanding and it is built like a tank, meant to last a lifetime. Granted the Dowelmax is very expensive, but if you are going to be doing furniture where accuracy is a must, then either the Dowelmax or the Jessem doweling system (also from Canada) are the way to go. What I do like is that the Drillpro took some of the concepts of the Jessem jig and basically came up with their own design without doing a complete copy which is really nice. This jig is one I would consider if the budget just isn't there for the Dowelmax or the Jessum. Great video, thanks!
You say the Drill Pro has 5 bushings at the same length as the Wnew has 3 bushings. So are the former's bushings 1,3, and 5 spaced exaclty the same way as the latters 3 bushings are? If yes, we could buy the Drill Pro (now Enjoywood) and combine it with the Multi Row Puncher anyway, no? Anyone own both and can confirm? I'd hate to buy the Multi Row Puncher only to find the spacing of the bushings does not match the Drill Pro like it matches the Wnew. Thanks.
Hi Dennis. Hope you are well. I really enjoy watching your videos and have purchased a number of recommended tools from Bangood as a result. I have not been dissapointed until I purchased the Drillpro dowelling jig. I received it damaged (I live in the UK) and reported it to Bangood. I have not received any response many weeks later. I do not have any confidence in buying from Bangood anymore - as on the one occassion things go wrong, there is no service or redress once they have your money. I will try Paypal as I make my payments through them. Shame as one can get really good tools from them otherwise. I look forward to your future videos. Warm regards. Update - I have raised the matter with Paypal. I have afterwards found a points offer message hidden away on Bangood with no notification to the buyer. Matter closed as I did not respond within 7 days - but I didn't receive any notification! They can seriously improve on that.
Similar experience, don't expect Dennis to reply to this. The side of bangood that he would not want to acknowledge, being in the privileged position he has with them.
Hi Dennis, weer een prima en vooral duidelijke presentatie! Ik mis echter 1 optie van de Drillpro.. . De vertanding geeft je een verstelbaarheid van 2 mm, maar door het metalen plaatje te verwijderen (magnetisch) dan wel te herplaatsen breng je dit terug naar 1 mm. Slim bedacht van Drillpro, hierdoor blijft de vertanding dieper en dus steviger maar biedt het wel een 1 mm verstelbaarheid. Welllicht kun je dit nog toevoegen aan je video?
Thank you for the great product reviews Dennis. I have been looking forward to buying the WNEW jig since you first recommended it here, but was holding off because of the cost...until recently. I finally ordered it! but when it arrived all the parts had fallen out of their slots in the foam and banged around, scratching up and damaging the jig. I contacted banggood support and have had a negative experience trying to get it replaced. They have offered very small ammounts of refund ($6, then $12) but what I want is an undamaged jig. I'm hesitant to choose that over a refund though, because who is to say that it won't happen again? I'm assuming they will package the new one the same as before. Customer "service" has been a huge hassle and is spoiling banggood for me. I'm very disappointed. (sorry for the comment on this video as well as the other single review, but I want your viewers to see this post)
@harmonicentropy2720 I don't believe that for one second. "Jig does not align properly when joining the boards" does it align properly before joining the boards 😁 no point aligning it when joining the boards as the drilling is already done by then. You either never got one, or, if your boards aren't aligned then you haven't got a clue what you are doing. I bet if I was to give you a thousand euro Mafell duo doweller you'd still have the same problem 😁.
I have the drill pro Jig, took a bit of a gamble as it looked good but could find limited information on it. Think your review is very accurate - it's really nice looking, pretty practical and feels well made - but the allen keys drive me wild, I never pick the right one first time! I think the frustration could be alleviated somewhat by simply putting the required allen keys on a key ring, like you sometimes find with cheap allen key sets. Not got round to doing this yet though.
Do you think its worth it in comparison to the much cheaper drillpro featured in this video? Considering that with all the separate pieces for it plus shipping to EU is over 500€.
Ah, drillpro wasn't the knock off one. Drillpro functions quite differently. The dowelmax knock off didn't even get the edge in this video above the two others. @@emm_arr
One disadvantage of the WNEW jig is that the minimum material thickness it'll work with is ~15mm, I wanted to use it on 12mm ply for drawers. It looks like the Drill pro jig will adjust down for thinner material OK. What size are the busings provided?
You can just add 2 even thin pieces of wood either side to thicken whatever you are working with and clamp the tool to those. The bushings on DrillPro are 6mm, 8mm, 10mm to fit standard Dowels.
@@imagesolutions4223 You can yes, but it can be fiddly to make sure everything is clamped up straight every time, then bits fall out when you release things. It would be a lot less faff if it did 12mm as one of its settings.
Bought a China dowel jig. It’s off center, and a pain in the butt to use while trying to center dowel hole drilling. Tried to return it…that was a joke.
Hi Dennis, very informative and I am going to get the drillpro based on your review. Thanks. I noted the use of the Matchfit Dovetail Clamps in your video and wanted to ask what your thoughts are on durability. I have these clamps and am about to build an outfeed table. My preference would be to use MDF (as you have) as it is cost-effective and easy to find but was worried about how this material will stand up to the task. Do you have any concerns or guidance in using these clamps with MDF?
The second jig you showed is a very bad clone of the amazing dowelmax jig. The dowelmax is truly a high quality, easy to use production jig. It's $225 shipped, but doesn't need 4 different allen keys to configure. Very easy to use, extremely well designed and built. Even at almost 3x the price of the drillpro, I'd pick it every time. The jessem you briefly showed is nice too, but I haven't used that one. Everyone who has though, loves it. Doweling jigs are one of those tools where, if you cheap out on, you'll be miserable every time you use it.
Yes I know, but although a bad copy I found the use limited. You can use it for shelves for example. (Or do I miss something) also the control on where you want a double row of dowels are limited. I thinks a Jessem or this Drillpro ate much more versatile.
The real Dowelmax jig can be used for shelves, double rows, and pretty much anything else you'd want to use it for, though in some cases you will need to purchase add-ons.
@@nickglover Right; it has a right angle attachment, though a jig could be made to accomplish the same thing. Also 1/4" and 1/2" drill guide sets, along with a 45 degree attachment.
Wonder why its so hard to find a proper jig for drilling shelf pin holes in cabinets. I only see Kreg having one.. But it cant even be adjusted for the hole inset distance in IKEA cabinets I've read somewhere.
Hallo Dennis, Een vraag over je favoriete deuvelmal die je met een klem moet vast zetten. Hoe klem je hem vast als je een lange plank hebt? Dus wanneer je in het midden van de plank een deuvel wilt hebben maar een klem die afstand niet haalt.
I don't understand what you mean about double-row being easier with the Drillpro. It looks completely impossible to do with the WNEW. I'm struggling to understand which one I want to buy, because I want to make a lot of double-row joints. I do understand why you like using your own clamp though. Looks quicker and easier. Thanks for the video.
The solution is simple: to buy BOTH templates, Wnew and Drillpro. In those applications where Drillpro works better, use Drillpro, and where Wnew is better, use Wnew. They are not so terribly expensive that even an amateur cannot buy them. Even more worth buying for professionals!
For the money you'd be spending on both, you're better off investing in the dowelmax (my preferred jig) or the jessem. You'll end up with a no-compromise, well designed and built, and amazingly accurate doweling jig that's a dream to use.
@@samsonacc8081That is precisely my question, as I know Dennis also owns the Domino. I know from some strength tests on UA-cam that dowels can in fact be a bit stronger than Dominos, but I guess my question is if that is negligable and the Domino is reached for every single time anyway.
@fugixi I get you. I'm not sure on strength, I'd say a single domino is stronger than a single dowel, but you can use 2 dowels in space of 1 domino. Those youtube strength tests are pointless anyway, each method is thousand times stronger than timber they join and especially chipboard. To answer your question, you wouldn't use a manual jig over dedicated machine in real world unless you are doing a jig review and want to let people know what's what, which is why we are watching these vids and Dennis is great for that as he can relate objectively. If you are professional you aren't going to be using manual jigs as you will be loosing money, if you are an amateur no need for expensive dedicated machine and manual jig will do fine and produce factory like results. Its got nothing to do with strength. You can do domino's the cheap way too, you can do dowels the expensive production way too (mafell duo doweller or cnc machine). And to answer your question in another way, dowels for cabinetry (assembly benefits over dominos), domino's for joinery (assembly benefits over dowels).
What do you think of this in comparison to the much more expensive Dowelmax product, which is actually really similar to the second one you got for this video?
Leuke video Dennis. Wat de dikte instelling betreft, kan je daar het blinkend plaatje aan de aanslag niet verwijderen zodat je die millimeter verschil kan opvangen? Dus je stelt in op 8mm, en met het plaatje te verwijderen (ik dacht magnetisch) dat je zo dan toch op 9mm terecht komt? Niet dat het iets uitmaakt, want als je (zoals het hoort) steeds aan dezelfde zijde het hulpstuk aanhoudt komt het altijd (nouja, altijd ;-) ) goed.
Thanks for the video. The non-rated jig looks like a cheap attempt of an exact knock-off of the DowelMax jig - for that reason alone I had already dismissed it. I know everyone will have differing views on this, but I made a personal decision not to buy knock-offs any more. I will support innovation regardless of country of origin but not copy cats. Having said that, I needed a jig for the camlocks for a project and searched high and low for jigs and all I could find were ones made in China that was readily available so I bought one and was very happy with it although the Drill Pro one in this video looks even better than the one I purchased.
I bought the DowelMax a month ago and it is very well made. Not cheap, but well made and I prefer to support small local manufacturing companies when I can.
The second one you reviewed is a knockoff of the DowelMax, which is a very nice and high quality doweling jig with more capability, though it is a lot more expensive. The DrillPro seems to be the best among all.
Great review but I just with the company would make a few more tools in imperial. I can work with metric but supplies are not as availible in th US. Everybody sould change to imperial where you work in fractions.
Metric works in fractions! 1/10th of a centimeter is a millimeter, 1/100th of a meter is a centimeter. And if you have two different dimensions, say 40/100th of a meter and 29/100th of a meter, you can add those two numbers to 69/100th of a meter, aka 69 centimeter.
Nice jigs and video. But my all time favorite for cabinet making is still the wolfcraft dübellehre for 27 euros at Hornbach. Simple, easy, very accurate and a heck of a good price. Greetings from Germany.
Agree! small corner tough! Important is, that you can make up your mind yourself about my reviews. When you can decide for yourself if a product I show is something for you or not, my reviews did the job.
Most of those allen keys could be replaced with small thumb screws. But i think you are right, a lot of the products that come out of China can be excellent value and quality, but they do not dedicate the amount of time to market research that they should.
I do believe you should have mentioned that the drillpro is a cheap clone of the Dowelmax dowel jig. Looks the same, from a distance but in reality it is a worthless clone.
It didn’t, because like I said, the quality falls behind. You should never buy a tool because it looks like a original. This one does not exceed the quality standard it should have to be good
The REAL Dowelmax is an absolutely amazing tool. Chinese knock offs are very unethical when they are purposely stealing someone else's intellectual property to undercut genuine products.
I would never buy Chinese materials/tools again. The mixed metals are either way too soft or way too brittle. Either way they break with little to no pressure, or they skew which causes accuracy issues perm.
It’s really fantastic to have someone like this who is among the best woodworking product reviewers. Yet he isn’t tied to the “most expensive name brand tools are always best.” approach. Instead he is very honest about the strengths and weaknesses of whatever he’s reviewing and understands that there are some hidden treasures among the Chinese made stuff. Are they knockoffs? Yes to a large degree but some of these companies are pretty good at making improvements. Just love this guys approach and attitude.
couldnt agree more. Very helpful Dennis, and having someone who's undoubtedly every bit as conscientious about their tools and tool choices as i am is such a time (and regret) saver. Kudos Sir!
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i believe that you are making a real difference in the standard of quality of whats being manufactured and offered in our industry now as well. keep up the good work, youre helping us all be capable of better,,, the folks that use them, as well as the ones who make them.
Hi Dennis, thanks for the 3-way comparo. I had bought a jig which at first I thought was the same one as the plain Aluminium item, but mine was a so-called self-centering jig, that relied on a left/right threaded screw, but which was about 1mm off on the centring. It's a nice paperweight...
I did find a no-name version of the DrillPro and I am very pleased with it
I have the WNEW version from your recommendation and I love it. It's so easy to use and I'm using it all the time for various reasons.
Thank you for sharing your review of these doweling jigs. They each have a a good use in certain situations. Stay warm, safe, happy and healthy. From Henrico County Virginia
Thank you for comparing the DRILLPRO with the ENJOYWOOD. This allowed me to purchase the best drilling jig which is, in my opinion, the DrillPro found at $74 with the carrying case included.
Thank you so much.
Where did you find it for $74 ?
I'm thinking of buying the Drillpro and your video is very helpful. And for practical reasons, I think replacing some of the annoying screws with large enough hand-twist screws might make it easier to do jobs that require constant setup changes (such as adding shelves)
Great to see you back in good health! I was hesitating between the drill pro and Wnew in my last order and I couldn’t make up my mind. Seems this video came at just the right time!
Excellent video. I always enjoy your comments and recommendations. I get to learn the weaknesses of a product before I spend my money. Thanks
Great video and helped me choose the drill pro. I’ve now built a few workshop cabinets and the drill pro jig was easy once you figure out how to remember clamp orientation for face to end joints.
You have hit another homer! Thank you as always.
Thanks Dennis. I have been looking at the DrillPro doweling jig and very glad you did a review on it. The other one is a direct copy of the dowelmax Which is a lot more expensive. The DrillPro for me. 👍
I'd recommend testing the Cam-A-Line doweling jig from Woodpeckers. If you only need one side, say ¼" dowels, it's less than $140. The advantage it has over all these other jigs is the stop system, which enables you to move the stop from one side to the other while keeping the exact distance from the edge intact. All other stop systems I've seen just have an uncalibrated rod in a long hole with a set screw, so moving the stop from left to right (needed to cut both pieces of a joint) means measuring and restting the distance by hand.
Excellent review as always. What always stands is how objective these reviews are - I know I'm getting good advice. So many other reviewers' views appear to be biased when they receive a product for free.
It's unfortunate that in South Africa, the shipping costs seem to be around double the price of the products themeselves.
I recently came across you channel and have just subscribed. The way you present information if extremely detailed and helpful 👍
I thought I would just post some info regarding the Drillpro jig that could possibly be useful.
To simplify the multi Allen key situation. I have made knobs for the fence, it makes the removal much faster and more fluid, for me the most used adjustment.
As I mainly use 8mm dowels I have 3 drill bits with stops set up for the 3 different depths needed for end and face connection.
This cuts it down to zero or 2 if you need to use the rails or change bushings for 6/10mm or central bushing for cam lock fasteners
I have was considering re tapping the threads on the jig end of the rails in the bushing holder to make it 1 but it’s too close the edge.
I have something similar to the Drill Pro and I've been using it extensively in the past. As you mentioned it can work quite okay for simple uses but there're a ton of drawbacks and traps for young players: Even though it seems that side from which to clamp doesn't matter, it does, because the material thickness is never equal; it is crucial to pick and mark the reference sides or you will end up in trouble (the Wnew jig and any joiner machine actually urge or even force you to make that decision and mark it). Accuracy is crucial for round dowels but the Drillpro only has those flimsy but big dents on the sides which makes it hard to properly align it to a line drawn on a work piece and and additional peeve of mine is that there's no proper center marking which would allow it to use as a tool to put arbitrart orthogonal holes into any workpiece. The edge lineup with the workpiece also has to be done by hand and feel and of course is another source of problematic inaccuracies. I totally agree with your assessment of the different screws which is super annoying.
If I were to get a new dowel jig or am asked for a recommendation I would definitely recommend the Wnew kind since it forces the user to incorporate best practise right from the start rather than being "easy" but involving a lot of trial and error and has a lot of accuracy features like the center needles, bigger plate and edge locating pin which make life so much easier when dealing with dowels, plus no darn hex screws! However I have a feeling that after finally having treated myself to a biscuit joiner, most of my round dowel uses in the future will be limited to decorative purposes; it's just so much faster, easier, precise and versatile to use compared to round dowels; sure the machine costs 230 Euro rather than 80 or 50 Euro, but if I include just the cost of all my doweling jigs acquired over the years I'm pretty certain it ends up in the same ballpark, not even including the (sometimes costly) messups or wasted time with dowels...
Daniel, thank you so much for a logical, well thought through and considered comment.
Thank you for the video. I still don’t know which one I will buy but your video gives a great explanation of these.
I got two drill pro's from banggood and a am very satisfied. With two pieces all disadvantages are gone since you do not have to disassemble and reassemble the jig for the counterpart. Very easy to use, very accurate and you get very fast a preceised result. The only think that is missing is that for the drill pro you do not get a drill template for 5mm holes.
I think that you didn’t mention that the Drillpro has a 1 mm magnetic shim which allows you to adjust it in 1 mm steps. For example, setting it on 10 mm and adding the shim will give you holes at 9 mm depth.
This video is clear, concise and comprehensive ! Thank you Dennis. 5/5. 👏👍😀
I have the Jessum doweling jig. It is awesome. I bought the basic kit with just the ⅜ inch (~10mm) size. Here in the US you can pick them up for less than $100 during sales and the other dowel drill guides can be bought separately. This Drillpro guide isn't as robust but does seem more versatile.
where/when did you buy it for less than 100?
Any ideas which brand is the face clamp Dennis uses in this video? It looks really nice.
Fantastic review and comparison, Dennis! Thanks a bunch! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Best of both worlds by combining Drill Pro and the Wnew's Multi Row Puncher?
Same optimized workflow (clamping equally possible, no disassembly-assembly-hassle due to Multi Row Puncher) plus the added flexibility/skills of the Drill Pro?
Or does the Wnew harmonize in an automatic way with "its" Multi Row Puncher in a way that doesn't work for the Drill Pro?
Just found your channel and subbed immediately. Fantastic in depth and detailed video. Real review and comparison. Also you're thinking in mm not inches so much better for UK audience (I get fed up with "3/16th of a 32nd of an inch" nonsense from the US). Great stuff mate. Namaste x
You were disappointed with the aluminium dowel jig because it is a very poor copy of the @Dowelmax doweling jig. The Dowelmax is by far the best doweling jig available and I’ve been using it for many years. The build quality and accuracy of genuine Dowelmax is unmatched and worth every dollar.
Had my dowelmax jigs ( I have 2) for many years and agree. Best jig around. Truely unmatched.
I too have the genuine DowelMax and it is most accurate doweling jig
I agree in principle, but for those of us who have to import a Dowelmax, it changes the math. A 10mm Dowelmax set with the 6mm option shipped to the UK is almost the same price overall as a Domino 500. I bought the Wnew pair delivered for less than a quarter of the price. I'm more than happy with the price:performance.
Thank you Dennis for your excellent, informative videos!
Same here in Australia, the exchange rate and shipping, just stops me purchasing so many things, nevertheless I get bye 😁
The thing is, to get in Italy with the 45 miter plate and two size bushes, if you factor in import fees you look at something around 600 € or more, while I can source a domino 500 with systeiner at a lick under 1000€.
What would you do?
I have to buy one or the other 😅
Hi Dennis! The tool you had in the middle of the lineup that was not recommended - is the first one I bought. I will say that I was disappointed by it because I was not able to get the accuracy with it and quite frankly, I had difficulty with setup and understanding it's design concept. That being said, I now have the type that has a threaded bolt in the middle that when screwed to the wood automatically brings in both sides evenly to center it to the wood. Seems to work quite well. I don't have to have a math degree of and engineering degree to use it. Just plain and simple. I enjoyed your video as always! I really like the Dutch way you show! It is the very best!
Another great review and well done for incorporating previous reviews of similar products. Super comprehensive 👍👍👍
I bought the WNEW because of you. Haven't been able to use it yet. But soon.
Hi would like to see more in-depth video on the drilpro and the Wnew if you can, as I have just purchased both. Cheers from Tasmania
Really good review. You have earned yourself a new subscriber 😀
Ah, now I understand why Dowelmax has that "Buyer Beware" warning about cheap Chinese knock-offs on their site!
I have a Dowelmax jig with accessories and I am entirely happy with its quality and performance
I bought this after watching your review, and it works well. I wish they would offer an add-on attachment for doweling visible dowels for added strength at 45 degrees across mitered joint boxes. Just a thought for Bangood.
Well done Dennis. NONE Finer than your talents.
Any plans of reviewing the new jessem pocket mill pro as a competitor to festool domino?
Hi Dennis & community, thank you for this good comparison. It's more in - depth and profound than many other. I searched for 1 hour now about the hole distance between the dowels. I was hoping it is compatible with the 32mm system. Do you know it? cheers, Achim
In some countries, it's called Fengsen Model 08400. And the color isn't red either, it's blue.
Harbor Freight sells cheap folding allen wrench sets that contain multiple sizes that will illeviate the allen wrench problem.
Thanks once again for these reviews.
I'm surprised that you do not mention/show how to adjust the depth of the drill. It seems to me that it is the weak point of the Wven jig.
He did at about the 6:04 time stamp.
Excellent review. Have you compared these to the not so much more expensive adjustable jig from Woodpeckers?
I have the Jess-Em Dowelmaster and the only thing I wish it had was an option for a built in clamp.
Once again, an excellent review.
You mention at 2:52 that the resolution is about 2mm.
Is the removable 1mm silver plate not there to give you the option of 1mm resolution?
It's exactly for that purpose.
At the moment the jig is branded as ENJOYWOOD and only 2 allen keys are needed.
What is difference between Veiko, Drillpro and Enjoywood brands ? Now ENJOYWOOD brand dowelling Jig is available but it looks the same as DrillPro. Sometimes the same product under different names can cost 2x as much.
I didn't see anything about router planes in your previous tool review episodes. Will you be reviewing Hondgui router plane? Thanks
The Drill Pro does appear to be a very well made product. The reason I am usually leery about purchasing these products is that they are knock offs of great tools made by very reputable sellers. For example the jig you are talking about at 9:12 is a knock off of the excellent Dowelmax from Canada. In fact I thought it was the Dowelmax, but when you started to say that the fit and finish wasn't that good I knew it couldn't be the Dowelmax jig. The tolerances on the Dowelmax are pretty demanding and it is built like a tank, meant to last a lifetime. Granted the Dowelmax is very expensive, but if you are going to be doing furniture where accuracy is a must, then either the Dowelmax or the Jessem doweling system (also from Canada) are the way to go.
What I do like is that the Drillpro took some of the concepts of the Jessem jig and basically came up with their own design without doing a complete copy which is really nice. This jig is one I would consider if the budget just isn't there for the Dowelmax or the Jessum. Great video, thanks!
I try to replace anything with an Allen key with a screw that I can finger tighten if possible.
You say the Drill Pro has 5 bushings at the same length as the Wnew has 3 bushings.
So are the former's bushings 1,3, and 5 spaced exaclty the same way as the latters 3 bushings are? If yes, we could buy the Drill Pro (now Enjoywood) and combine it with the Multi Row Puncher anyway, no?
Anyone own both and can confirm? I'd hate to buy the Multi Row Puncher only to find the spacing of the bushings does not match the Drill Pro like it matches the Wnew. Thanks.
Any chance of checking out the new table saw stock guides? Look very similar to the Jessem one's.
Hi Dennis. Hope you are well. I really enjoy watching your videos and have purchased a number of recommended tools from Bangood as a result. I have not been dissapointed until I purchased the Drillpro dowelling jig. I received it damaged (I live in the UK) and reported it to Bangood. I have not received any response many weeks later. I do not have any confidence in buying from Bangood anymore - as on the one occassion things go wrong, there is no service or redress once they have your money. I will try Paypal as I make my payments through them. Shame as one can get really good tools from them otherwise.
I look forward to your future videos. Warm regards.
Update - I have raised the matter with Paypal. I have afterwards found a points offer message hidden away on Bangood with no notification to the buyer. Matter closed as I did not respond within 7 days - but I didn't receive any notification! They can seriously improve on that.
Similar experience, don't expect Dennis to reply to this. The side of bangood that he would not want to acknowledge, being in the privileged position he has with them.
Very informative - thank you for a great review.
Thanks for great video. I’ll be ordering a drill pro.
Hi Dennis, weer een prima en vooral duidelijke presentatie! Ik mis echter 1 optie van de Drillpro.. . De vertanding geeft je een verstelbaarheid van 2 mm, maar door het metalen plaatje te verwijderen (magnetisch) dan wel te herplaatsen breng je dit terug naar 1 mm. Slim bedacht van Drillpro, hierdoor blijft de vertanding dieper en dus steviger maar biedt het wel een 1 mm verstelbaarheid. Welllicht kun je dit nog toevoegen aan je video?
Thank you for the great product reviews Dennis. I have been looking forward to buying the WNEW jig since you first recommended it here, but was holding off because of the cost...until recently. I finally ordered it! but when it arrived all the parts had fallen out of their slots in the foam and banged around, scratching up and damaging the jig. I contacted banggood support and have had a negative experience trying to get it replaced. They have offered very small ammounts of refund ($6, then $12) but what I want is an undamaged jig. I'm hesitant to choose that over a refund though, because who is to say that it won't happen again? I'm assuming they will package the new one the same as before. Customer "service" has been a huge hassle and is spoiling banggood for me. I'm very disappointed. (sorry for the comment on this video as well as the other single review, but I want your viewers to see this post)
My drillpro jig came with a scratch because the jig made a hole through the cardboard box during transport.
@@harmonicentropy2720have you recovered since or are you still not able to get a night's sleep over a scratch?
@samsonacc8081 the scratch is no problem compared to the fact that the jig does not align properly when joining boards.
@harmonicentropy2720 I don't believe that for one second.
"Jig does not align properly when joining the boards" does it align properly before joining the boards 😁 no point aligning it when joining the boards as the drilling is already done by then.
You either never got one, or, if your boards aren't aligned then you haven't got a clue what you are doing. I bet if I was to give you a thousand euro Mafell duo doweller you'd still have the same problem 😁.
why cam locking wood joints are not widely adopted in usa as it's in europe? any ideas?
The genuine Dowelmax is a great jig, unlike that cheap knockoff. Sometimes you get what you pay for.
I have the drill pro Jig, took a bit of a gamble as it looked good but could find limited information on it. Think your review is very accurate - it's really nice looking, pretty practical and feels well made - but the allen keys drive me wild, I never pick the right one first time!
I think the frustration could be alleviated somewhat by simply putting the required allen keys on a key ring, like you sometimes find with cheap allen key sets. Not got round to doing this yet though.
Have you seen any English instructions for the WNEW dowel jig?
I have ordered the Drillpro jig it has arrived but no plastic storage box is it possible to purchase this item separate thank you
Does the DrillPro support imperial measurements?
Nice review as always
Could you review the hongdui stock guides?
I can recommend the Dowelmax jig.
Do you think its worth it in comparison to the much cheaper drillpro featured in this video? Considering that with all the separate pieces for it plus shipping to EU is over 500€.
@@Anomalous-Plant Buy me a drillpro and I'll tell you if you should buy a knockoff rather than the original.
Ah, drillpro wasn't the knock off one. Drillpro functions quite differently. The dowelmax knock off didn't even get the edge in this video above the two others. @@emm_arr
Where did you get the pencil you are using?
One disadvantage of the WNEW jig is that the minimum material thickness it'll work with is ~15mm, I wanted to use it on 12mm ply for drawers. It looks like the Drill pro jig will adjust down for thinner material OK. What size are the busings provided?
You can just add 2 even thin pieces of wood either side to thicken whatever you are working with and clamp the tool to those. The bushings on DrillPro are 6mm, 8mm, 10mm to fit standard Dowels.
@@imagesolutions4223 You can yes, but it can be fiddly to make sure everything is clamped up straight every time, then bits fall out when you release things. It would be a lot less faff if it did 12mm as one of its settings.
Bought a China dowel jig. It’s off center, and a pain in the butt to use while trying to center dowel hole drilling. Tried to return it…that was a joke.
Hi Dennis, very informative and I am going to get the drillpro based on your review. Thanks. I noted the use of the Matchfit Dovetail Clamps in your video and wanted to ask what your thoughts are on durability. I have these clamps and am about to build an outfeed table. My preference would be to use MDF (as you have) as it is cost-effective and easy to find but was worried about how this material will stand up to the task. Do you have any concerns or guidance in using these clamps with MDF?
Hello Dennis I have a modification for the wnew jig that makes it more adaptable how can I send it you ?
The second jig you showed is a very bad clone of the amazing dowelmax jig. The dowelmax is truly a high quality, easy to use production jig. It's $225 shipped, but doesn't need 4 different allen keys to configure. Very easy to use, extremely well designed and built. Even at almost 3x the price of the drillpro, I'd pick it every time. The jessem you briefly showed is nice too, but I haven't used that one. Everyone who has though, loves it. Doweling jigs are one of those tools where, if you cheap out on, you'll be miserable every time you use it.
Yes I know, but although a bad copy I found the use limited. You can use it for shelves for example. (Or do I miss something) also the control on where you want a double row of dowels are limited. I thinks a Jessem or this Drillpro ate much more versatile.
The real Dowelmax jig can be used for shelves, double rows, and pretty much anything else you'd want to use it for, though in some cases you will need to purchase add-ons.
Ok, I understand 👍
@@nickglover Right; it has a right angle attachment, though a jig could be made to accomplish the same thing. Also 1/4" and 1/2" drill guide sets, along with a 45 degree attachment.
I own the dowelmax and as Nick G says it is expensive but an excellent product that has more features than the drillpro
Dennis, how about a review on devices that create dowels themselves?
I will look into that👍
Any idea of a good cheap mft template?
Wonder why its so hard to find a proper jig for drilling shelf pin holes in cabinets. I only see Kreg having one.. But it cant even be adjusted for the hole inset distance in IKEA cabinets I've read somewhere.
Hallo Dennis,
Een vraag over je favoriete deuvelmal die je met een klem moet vast zetten. Hoe klem je hem vast als je een lange plank hebt? Dus wanneer je in het midden van de plank een deuvel wilt hebben maar een klem die afstand niet haalt.
Dan plaats je de klem denk ik.schuin over de jig heen.
Ik hen een video over specifiek over deze deuvelmal. Daar laat ik dat zien. Kijjk even op mijn kanaal. Weet zo niet de aflevering
I don't understand what you mean about double-row being easier with the Drillpro. It looks completely impossible to do with the WNEW. I'm struggling to understand which one I want to buy, because I want to make a lot of double-row joints. I do understand why you like using your own clamp though. Looks quicker and easier. Thanks for the video.
You are right, it is almost impossible. So, if you want to make double-row joints, the WNEW is not for you.
The solution is simple: to buy BOTH templates, Wnew and Drillpro.
In those applications where Drillpro works better, use Drillpro, and where Wnew is better, use Wnew.
They are not so terribly expensive that even an amateur cannot buy them. Even more worth buying for professionals!
For the money you'd be spending on both, you're better off investing in the dowelmax (my preferred jig) or the jessem. You'll end up with a no-compromise, well designed and built, and amazingly accurate doweling jig that's a dream to use.
@@NWGR Quod libet...
@@andrzej3511 👍
Great video. Thanks.
Are the holes on the jigs 32mm apart?
Nice review!
As someone who owns a Domino 500 as well, in what scenarios would you reach for the dowel jig instead of the Domino, and vice versa?
I dont get your comment, why would one reach for any jig over a dedicated machine?
@@samsonacc8081That is precisely my question, as I know Dennis also owns the Domino. I know from some strength tests on UA-cam that dowels can in fact be a bit stronger than Dominos, but I guess my question is if that is negligable and the Domino is reached for every single time anyway.
@fugixi I get you. I'm not sure on strength, I'd say a single domino is stronger than a single dowel, but you can use 2 dowels in space of 1 domino. Those youtube strength tests are pointless anyway, each method is thousand times stronger than timber they join and especially chipboard.
To answer your question, you wouldn't use a manual jig over dedicated machine in real world unless you are doing a jig review and want to let people know what's what, which is why we are watching these vids and Dennis is great for that as he can relate objectively. If you are professional you aren't going to be using manual jigs as you will be loosing money, if you are an amateur no need for expensive dedicated machine and manual jig will do fine and produce factory like results. Its got nothing to do with strength. You can do domino's the cheap way too, you can do dowels the expensive production way too (mafell duo doweller or cnc machine).
And to answer your question in another way, dowels for cabinetry (assembly benefits over dominos), domino's for joinery (assembly benefits over dowels).
Great review.
Very informative, thank you.👍
What do you think of this in comparison to the much more expensive Dowelmax product, which is actually really similar to the second one you got for this video?
Leuke video Dennis. Wat de dikte instelling betreft, kan je daar het blinkend plaatje aan de aanslag niet verwijderen zodat je die millimeter verschil kan opvangen? Dus je stelt in op 8mm, en met het plaatje te verwijderen (ik dacht magnetisch) dat je zo dan toch op 9mm terecht komt? Niet dat het iets uitmaakt, want als je (zoals het hoort) steeds aan dezelfde zijde het hulpstuk aanhoudt komt het altijd (nouja, altijd ;-) ) goed.
Ik denk dat het klopt wat je zegt. Had ik nog niet aan gedacht. Maar het maakt idd niet zoveel uit als je het maar consistent doet
Thanks for the video. The non-rated jig looks like a cheap attempt of an exact knock-off of the DowelMax jig - for that reason alone I had already dismissed it. I know everyone will have differing views on this, but I made a personal decision not to buy knock-offs any more. I will support innovation regardless of country of origin but not copy cats. Having said that, I needed a jig for the camlocks for a project and searched high and low for jigs and all I could find were ones made in China that was readily available so I bought one and was very happy with it although the Drill Pro one in this video looks even better than the one I purchased.
I have the DowelMax, and I had the exact same thought.
I bought the DowelMax a month ago and it is very well made. Not cheap, but well made and I prefer to support small local manufacturing companies when I can.
The second one you reviewed is a knockoff of the DowelMax, which is a very nice and high quality doweling jig with more capability, though it is a lot more expensive.
The DrillPro seems to be the best among all.
Class Dennis 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻🥇👈
Great review but I just with the company would make a few more tools in imperial. I can work with metric but supplies are not as availible in th US. Everybody sould change to imperial where you work in fractions.
The USA should change to metric. End of problem...
Metric works in fractions! 1/10th of a centimeter is a millimeter, 1/100th of a meter is a centimeter. And if you have two different dimensions, say 40/100th of a meter and 29/100th of a meter, you can add those two numbers to 69/100th of a meter, aka 69 centimeter.
@@DirkieB cool. I’ll need to work on getting better at working with metric. Thanks
Spot on 👍
What clamp did you use for thw drillpro jig? The one that looks like a vise clamp with pads
I got this clamp with the WNEW doweling package.
Nice jigs and video. But my all time favorite for cabinet making is still the wolfcraft dübellehre for 27 euros at Hornbach. Simple, easy, very accurate and a heck of a good price. Greetings from Germany.
That's the Jessem Jig ... borrowed and made red
Well, I do see a lot off difference between those two. But they are both doweling jigs.
The problem with the Drillpro is it is in metric and won't adjust to inches
Use 4 different allen keys. That is where they cut corners. They never actually use nor test their own products.
Agree! small corner tough! Important is, that you can make up your mind yourself about my reviews. When you can decide for yourself if a product I show is something for you or not, my reviews did the job.
Most of those allen keys could be replaced with small thumb screws.
But i think you are right, a lot of the products that come out of China can be excellent value and quality, but they do not dedicate the amount of time to market research that they should.
I do believe you should have mentioned that the drillpro is a cheap clone of the Dowelmax dowel jig. Looks the same, from a distance but in reality it is a worthless clone.
The aluminum colored version yes, but I did not recommend anyway so that is good enough 👍
@@HookedonWood you do á Google Jobs, but what if it had á recommentation?
Thank what?
It didn’t, because like I said, the quality falls behind. You should never buy a tool because it looks like a original. This one does not exceed the quality standard it should have to be good
Looks like a Jessum and a DowelMax clone. Lol. Gotta love cheaper alternative.
Comparing a knock off Dowelmax clone. Compare it with a genuine one.
I just reviewed this one, the original will be beter or excellent, which it should based on the price.
The REAL Dowelmax is an absolutely amazing tool. Chinese knock offs are very unethical when they are purposely stealing someone else's intellectual property to undercut genuine products.
The examples scream "IKEA".
Too bad the Drill Pro is only metric.
I would never buy Chinese materials/tools again. The mixed metals are either way too soft or way too brittle. Either way they break with little to no pressure, or they skew which causes accuracy issues perm.
They are affordable because they don’t need to design it, they just copy what works. 😅
I try not to buy anything from the chicoms.